(11-14-2019 02:54 PM)gohogs14 Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  AR IS a dumpster fire, despite all of the hog protestations. They been in a 15yr+ decline - and over the next decade they will not compete with Bama, Auburn, LSU or even aTm. That puts them playing for 5th place in the SEC West.

No one expects Arkansas to beat Alabama, LSU or Auburn every year (though we do beat LSU and Auburn every so often and are competitive with A&M as well). At this point, all a new coach would have to do is win all of the OOC games and show any life at all. It's not a very high bar.

You say we're in a 15 year decline but in the last 15 years we've won 10+ games three times, been to a Sugar Bowl, and won the SEC West. Nutt and Petrino combined to only have a losing record 3 times in 14 years. People assume Bielema and Morris being bad coaches makes this job Vanderbilt when history says you can be average-above average most years here with some really good years mixed in. There are a ton of teams we recruit better than that are better than us and there's really nothing else you can explain away for that other than bad coaching.

(11-14-2019 02:34 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Well he turned down their interview in 2017, so be prepared to be shocked again.

Never heard he was asked to interview but I'll take your word for it. I wouldn't be shocked at all if he stayed but we didn't have an AD in place during the last coaching search which is probably why we went with a guy who had an overall losing record at SMU. Morris was basically a Jerry Jones hire.

Even in your "golden years" from 1998-2011 (14 seasons) you only had a winning record in SEC play FIVE TIMES. Averaged 4.2 wins a year.

Since 2000, Arkansas has a 38.8 won/loss percentage in SEC play.

(11-14-2019 03:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 02:54 PM)gohogs14 Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  AR IS a dumpster fire, despite all of the hog protestations. They been in a 15yr+ decline - and over the next decade they will not compete with Bama, Auburn, LSU or even aTm. That puts them playing for 5th place in the SEC West.

No one expects Arkansas to beat Alabama, LSU or Auburn every year (though we do beat LSU and Auburn every so often and are competitive with A&M as well). At this point, all a new coach would have to do is win all of the OOC games and show any life at all. It's not a very high bar.

You say we're in a 15 year decline but in the last 15 years we've won 10+ games three times, been to a Sugar Bowl, and won the SEC West. Nutt and Petrino combined to only have a losing record 3 times in 14 years. People assume Bielema and Morris being bad coaches makes this job Vanderbilt when history says you can be average-above average most years here with some really good years mixed in. There are a ton of teams we recruit better than that are better than us and there's really nothing else you can explain away for that other than bad coaching.

(11-14-2019 02:34 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Well he turned down their interview in 2017, so be prepared to be shocked again.

Never heard he was asked to interview but I'll take your word for it. I wouldn't be shocked at all if he stayed but we didn't have an AD in place during the last coaching search which is probably why we went with a guy who had an overall losing record at SMU. Morris was basically a Jerry Jones hire.

Even in your "golden years" from 1998-2011 (14 seasons) you only had a winning record in SEC play FIVE TIMES. Averaged 4.2 wins a year.

Since 2000, Arkansas has a 38.8 won/loss percentage in SEC play.

I posted this on Facebook last week and got blasted. I guess living in Arkansas, I kinda expected it. lol.

I’m sure this will rile up a few of you.....
Arkansas is now in the midst of a national coaching search. Again. When this search is complete, within 24 months, Arkansas will have had 2 Basketball Coaches, 3 Athletic Directors (1 interim) and 5 football coaches that coached games. (3 heads and 2 interims). The university has fired every single one of them. As a matter of fact, they have fired every single football and basketball coach since joining the SEC in 1992. They currently are on the hook for over 35 million in buyouts, and have already quit paying Bret Bielema’s 11.9 million dollar buyout that will sure end in a court battle over his current compensation with the NE Patriots. They currently owe 179 million in bond issues on the stadium expansion that they don’t have the money to pay for right now. Money isn’t just sitting in a vault waiting to be spent.

So, not only are you in the toughest division of college football, but you are in a conference that you have never really succeeded in. Since joining the SEC in 1992, the Hogs are 93-159-2 in conference games. 36%. That’s it. They have winning records against only Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, and South Carolina since joining the conference. Possibly the bottom two teams of each division. So, in short, they have never really had success, with the pure exception of a couple Petrino years where he was 6-2 in conference.

So my question..... if you were an up and coming coach with a bright future, why would you take that job unless you are ready to retire? History says you will be looking for another job in the near future. In defense, They have sure supplemented a few IRAs of late, though.

(11-14-2019 02:47 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 02:34 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Well he turned down their interview in 2017, so be prepared to be shocked again.

Interesting. I did not know that.

Because that is not true... He definitely interviewed with them and more than once. The last did not go well for either party and both left with a bad taste in their mouth but basically the entire administration that hired Morris is now gone at Arkansas.

(11-11-2019 10:11 AM)Wayward Memphian Wrote:  I love reading this board. The fact is, with the proper coaching this team of screwups should have 6 to 7 wins right now. This guy has been so far on over his head it is astonishing. Never mind the fact his wife spen her time tweeting about TAMU and his never moving his family here. That was insulting. His leaving the team and flying to Dallas to watch his son play and not be with the team or even "really" recruiting was infuriating.

This dipship has a homerun hitter in the backfield, ripped one off for a 70 yard td in the first quarter and only saw 7 more carries the rest of the game. Our O-line was horrendous, the biggest bunch of Pussycats I've ever seen, yet he wasn't recruiting for the OL. They 5th best in the west line is crap , should be more like a 3 to 4 with a slip to 5th from time to time and that, in the SEC West, is usually top 20 foosball. Lord knows it is not from a lack of resources up here.

Look, I know that things have been rough, so I have allowed you to come here and vent your delusional nonsense without responding until now. Your complete lack of awareness of who you are and what your program is, are hilarious. You are completely out of touch with reality. Here it is for you plain as day, the last 20 years...

Number Of Years Ranked/Last Year Ranked Since 1999

17 LSU (2018)
16 Georgia (2017)
15 Florida (2018)
14 Alabama (2018)
11 Auburn (2017)
9 Tennessee (2016)
6 Texas A&M (2018)
6 South Carolina (2013)
6 Missouri (2014)
6 Ole Piss (2015)
5 Mississippi State (2018)
3 Arkansuck (2011)
2 Vandy (2013)
1 Kentucky (2018)

Notable
You are ranked 12th out of 14 $EC schools for the number of seasons finishing in the top 25 for the last 20 years.

You have the longest non top 25 losing streak in the $EC; with no top 25 finishes in the last 8 years.

You have half the number of top 25 finishes compared to programs that are recognized as $EC also rans.

You are the worst program in the $EC right now.

There are a couple of dozen ways that your program sucks and is a s**t job. I personally think your horrible on field results are the best way of conveying exactly how bad.

(11-14-2019 03:22 PM)PizzaTiger Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 03:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 02:54 PM)gohogs14 Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  AR IS a dumpster fire, despite all of the hog protestations. They been in a 15yr+ decline - and over the next decade they will not compete with Bama, Auburn, LSU or even aTm. That puts them playing for 5th place in the SEC West.

No one expects Arkansas to beat Alabama, LSU or Auburn every year (though we do beat LSU and Auburn every so often and are competitive with A&M as well). At this point, all a new coach would have to do is win all of the OOC games and show any life at all. It's not a very high bar.

You say we're in a 15 year decline but in the last 15 years we've won 10+ games three times, been to a Sugar Bowl, and won the SEC West. Nutt and Petrino combined to only have a losing record 3 times in 14 years. People assume Bielema and Morris being bad coaches makes this job Vanderbilt when history says you can be average-above average most years here with some really good years mixed in. There are a ton of teams we recruit better than that are better than us and there's really nothing else you can explain away for that other than bad coaching.

(11-14-2019 02:34 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Well he turned down their interview in 2017, so be prepared to be shocked again.

Never heard he was asked to interview but I'll take your word for it. I wouldn't be shocked at all if he stayed but we didn't have an AD in place during the last coaching search which is probably why we went with a guy who had an overall losing record at SMU. Morris was basically a Jerry Jones hire.

Even in your "golden years" from 1998-2011 (14 seasons) you only had a winning record in SEC play FIVE TIMES. Averaged 4.2 wins a year.

Since 2000, Arkansas has a 38.8 won/loss percentage in SEC play.

I posted this on Facebook last week and got blasted. I guess living in Arkansas, I kinda expected it. lol.

I’m sure this will rile up a few of you.....
Arkansas is now in the midst of a national coaching search. Again. When this search is complete, within 24 months, Arkansas will have had 2 Basketball Coaches, 3 Athletic Directors (1 interim) and 5 football coaches that coached games. (3 heads and 2 interims). The university has fired every single one of them. As a matter of fact, they have fired every single football and basketball coach since joining the SEC in 1992. They currently are on the hook for over 35 million in buyouts, and have already quit paying Bret Bielema’s 11.9 million dollar buyout that will sure end in a court battle over his current compensation with the NE Patriots. They currently owe 179 million in bond issues on the stadium expansion that they don’t have the money to pay for right now. Money isn’t just sitting in a vault waiting to be spent.

So, not only are you in the toughest division of college football, but you are in a conference that you have never really succeeded in. Since joining the SEC in 1992, the Hogs are 93-159-2 in conference games. 36%. That’s it. They have winning records against only Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, and South Carolina since joining the conference. Possibly the bottom two teams of each division. So, in short, they have never really had success, with the pure exception of a couple Petrino years where he was 6-2 in conference.

So my question..... if you were an up and coming coach with a bright future, why would you take that job unless you are ready to retire? History says you will be looking for another job in the near future. In defense, They have sure supplemented a few IRAs of late, though.

The football equivalent to Tubby Smith would be perfect. You will probably luck out with Norvell and maybe even Malzahn because of family ties, but it is a massive drop off after those two. If by some miracle you whiff on both, maybe you can lure Tuberville out of retirement or Cutcliffe away from Duke.

Les Miles

Lane Kiffin or Mike Leach

If Norvell does leave, do we bring back Fuente after he gets fired from VT?

(11-14-2019 05:05 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  If Norvell does leave, do we bring back Fuente after he gets fired from VT?

Did he get a divorce?

(11-14-2019 05:05 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  If Norvell does leave, do we bring back Fuente after he gets fired from VT?

Fire up the search committee. They are 2 for 2. Gotta keep this train rolling.

(11-14-2019 05:19 PM)WColt45 Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 05:05 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  If Norvell does leave, do we bring back Fuente after he gets fired from VT?

Fire up the search committee. They are 2 for 2. Gotta keep this train rolling.

^^^^ Trueth

(11-14-2019 05:05 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  If Norvell does leave, do we bring back Fuente after he gets fired from VT?

Hell no!

(11-14-2019 05:25 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 05:05 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  If Norvell does leave, do we bring back Fuente after he gets fired from VT?

Hell no!

(11-14-2019 05:05 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  If Norvell does leave, do we bring back Fuente after he gets fired from VT?

if we did...I'd make it harder for him to leave.

(11-14-2019 03:22 PM)PizzaTiger Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 03:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 02:54 PM)gohogs14 Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  AR IS a dumpster fire, despite all of the hog protestations. They been in a 15yr+ decline - and over the next decade they will not compete with Bama, Auburn, LSU or even aTm. That puts them playing for 5th place in the SEC West.

No one expects Arkansas to beat Alabama, LSU or Auburn every year (though we do beat LSU and Auburn every so often and are competitive with A&M as well). At this point, all a new coach would have to do is win all of the OOC games and show any life at all. It's not a very high bar.

You say we're in a 15 year decline but in the last 15 years we've won 10+ games three times, been to a Sugar Bowl, and won the SEC West. Nutt and Petrino combined to only have a losing record 3 times in 14 years. People assume Bielema and Morris being bad coaches makes this job Vanderbilt when history says you can be average-above average most years here with some really good years mixed in. There are a ton of teams we recruit better than that are better than us and there's really nothing else you can explain away for that other than bad coaching.

(11-14-2019 02:34 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Well he turned down their interview in 2017, so be prepared to be shocked again.

Never heard he was asked to interview but I'll take your word for it. I wouldn't be shocked at all if he stayed but we didn't have an AD in place during the last coaching search which is probably why we went with a guy who had an overall losing record at SMU. Morris was basically a Jerry Jones hire.

Even in your "golden years" from 1998-2011 (14 seasons) you only had a winning record in SEC play FIVE TIMES. Averaged 4.2 wins a year.

Since 2000, Arkansas has a 38.8 won/loss percentage in SEC play.

I posted this on Facebook last week and got blasted. I guess living in Arkansas, I kinda expected it. lol.

I’m sure this will rile up a few of you.....
Arkansas is now in the midst of a national coaching search. Again. When this search is complete, within 24 months, Arkansas will have had 2 Basketball Coaches, 3 Athletic Directors (1 interim) and 5 football coaches that coached games. (3 heads and 2 interims). The university has fired every single one of them. As a matter of fact, they have fired every single football and basketball coach since joining the SEC in 1992. They currently are on the hook for over 35 million in buyouts, and have already quit paying Bret Bielema’s 11.9 million dollar buyout that will sure end in a court battle over his current compensation with the NE Patriots. They currently owe 179 million in bond issues on the stadium expansion that they don’t have the money to pay for right now. Money isn’t just sitting in a vault waiting to be spent.

So, not only are you in the toughest division of college football, but you are in a conference that you have never really succeeded in. Since joining the SEC in 1992, the Hogs are 93-159-2 in conference games. 36%. That’s it. They have winning records against only Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, and South Carolina since joining the conference. Possibly the bottom two teams of each division. So, in short, they have never really had success, with the pure exception of a couple Petrino years where he was 6-2 in conference.

So my question..... if you were an up and coming coach with a bright future, why would you take that job unless you are ready to retire? History says you will be looking for another job in the near future. In defense, They have sure supplemented a few IRAs of late, though.

Folks try to point out reality & the Hogs can't see it. Interesting that UTK is also headed in that direction too & also in denial. UTK's only hope is that UK & MO slide in a weaker SEC East as they have not shown an ability to compete or recruit with UGA or UF - are currently below both UK & MO (2018 final standings as I recall).

SEC needs to adapt the English football league system.(soccer)

Not just English.

Pro/rel is the way soccer operates worldwide (except in America, of course).

(11-14-2019 05:57 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 03:22 PM)PizzaTiger Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 03:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 02:54 PM)gohogs14 Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  AR IS a dumpster fire, despite all of the hog protestations. They been in a 15yr+ decline - and over the next decade they will not compete with Bama, Auburn, LSU or even aTm. That puts them playing for 5th place in the SEC West.

No one expects Arkansas to beat Alabama, LSU or Auburn every year (though we do beat LSU and Auburn every so often and are competitive with A&M as well). At this point, all a new coach would have to do is win all of the OOC games and show any life at all. It's not a very high bar.

You say we're in a 15 year decline but in the last 15 years we've won 10+ games three times, been to a Sugar Bowl, and won the SEC West. Nutt and Petrino combined to only have a losing record 3 times in 14 years. People assume Bielema and Morris being bad coaches makes this job Vanderbilt when history says you can be average-above average most years here with some really good years mixed in. There are a ton of teams we recruit better than that are better than us and there's really nothing else you can explain away for that other than bad coaching.

(11-14-2019 02:34 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Well he turned down their interview in 2017, so be prepared to be shocked again.

Never heard he was asked to interview but I'll take your word for it. I wouldn't be shocked at all if he stayed but we didn't have an AD in place during the last coaching search which is probably why we went with a guy who had an overall losing record at SMU. Morris was basically a Jerry Jones hire.

Even in your "golden years" from 1998-2011 (14 seasons) you only had a winning record in SEC play FIVE TIMES. Averaged 4.2 wins a year.

Since 2000, Arkansas has a 38.8 won/loss percentage in SEC play.

I posted this on Facebook last week and got blasted. I guess living in Arkansas, I kinda expected it. lol.

I’m sure this will rile up a few of you.....
Arkansas is now in the midst of a national coaching search. Again. When this search is complete, within 24 months, Arkansas will have had 2 Basketball Coaches, 3 Athletic Directors (1 interim) and 5 football coaches that coached games. (3 heads and 2 interims). The university has fired every single one of them. As a matter of fact, they have fired every single football and basketball coach since joining the SEC in 1992. They currently are on the hook for over 35 million in buyouts, and have already quit paying Bret Bielema’s 11.9 million dollar buyout that will sure end in a court battle over his current compensation with the NE Patriots. They currently owe 179 million in bond issues on the stadium expansion that they don’t have the money to pay for right now. Money isn’t just sitting in a vault waiting to be spent.

So, not only are you in the toughest division of college football, but you are in a conference that you have never really succeeded in. Since joining the SEC in 1992, the Hogs are 93-159-2 in conference games. 36%. That’s it. They have winning records against only Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, and South Carolina since joining the conference. Possibly the bottom two teams of each division. So, in short, they have never really had success, with the pure exception of a couple Petrino years where he was 6-2 in conference.

So my question..... if you were an up and coming coach with a bright future, why would you take that job unless you are ready to retire? History says you will be looking for another job in the near future. In defense, They have sure supplemented a few IRAs of late, though.

Folks try to point out reality & the Hogs can't see it. Interesting that UTK is also headed in that direction too & also in denial. UTK's only hope is that UK & MO slide in a weaker SEC East as they have not shown an ability to compete or recruit with UGA or UF - are currently below both UK & MO (2018 final standings as I recall).

I personally dont like talking about other programs like that because I HATE it when people talk about Memphis that way. So do you and every other Tigers fan. After Calipari I can guarantee we have all heard it 1000s of times. Hell even one of our coaches who made 3mil a year said "This isnt the Memphis from 10 years ago, Memphis kids don't want to play here."

(11-14-2019 06:29 PM)UOFMGLENN Wrote:  SEC needs to adapt the English football league system.(soccer)

All of the P5 should relegate at least their conference tv distributions. Like Rutgers and Memphis trade conference splits. Northwestern and Cincy. Vandy and Boise. Or 1 P5 splits into 2 G5s.

(11-14-2019 03:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 02:54 PM)gohogs14 Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  AR IS a dumpster fire, despite all of the hog protestations. They been in a 15yr+ decline - and over the next decade they will not compete with Bama, Auburn, LSU or even aTm. That puts them playing for 5th place in the SEC West.

No one expects Arkansas to beat Alabama, LSU or Auburn every year (though we do beat LSU and Auburn every so often and are competitive with A&M as well). At this point, all a new coach would have to do is win all of the OOC games and show any life at all. It's not a very high bar.

You say we're in a 15 year decline but in the last 15 years we've won 10+ games three times, been to a Sugar Bowl, and won the SEC West. Nutt and Petrino combined to only have a losing record 3 times in 14 years. People assume Bielema and Morris being bad coaches makes this job Vanderbilt when history says you can be average-above average most years here with some really good years mixed in. There are a ton of teams we recruit better than that are better than us and there's really nothing else you can explain away for that other than bad coaching.

(11-14-2019 02:34 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Well he turned down their interview in 2017, so be prepared to be shocked again.

Never heard he was asked to interview but I'll take your word for it. I wouldn't be shocked at all if he stayed but we didn't have an AD in place during the last coaching search which is probably why we went with a guy who had an overall losing record at SMU. Morris was basically a Jerry Jones hire.

Even in your "golden years" from 1998-2011 (14 seasons) you only had a winning record in SEC play FIVE TIMES. Averaged 4.2 wins a year

So we average 4 SEC wins a year? That means all a decent coach has to do is win the 4 OOC games and the bowl to finish 9-4. We aren’t even close to that right now, that’s the point.

Seems pretty obvious to me. Good coaches win here, bad coaches don’t, just like most of college football. I guess that means every SEC team outside of Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Georgia and Florida is a **** job.