(11-11-2019 10:50 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  So, right now Wayward is saying the team that barely beat Portland State in its opener and was was shelled by WKU on Saturday is just a head coach away from 7-3... not 2-8.

And this is precisely why Arkansas averages a new coach every 3 years...

Arkansas will always trail Alabama, LSU, Auburn and Tx A&M. Of course, there will be blips, but those schools are surrounded by fertile recruiting ground and equally unlimited budgets.

7-3 is a stretch but we only lost to A&M and Kentucky by 4 points. Those plus the cupcakes that we lost (SJSU and WKU) makes us 6-4 with a better coach. Granted we aren't going to win every close game but we should have more than 2 wins.

Texas A&M isn't that much better than Arkansas historically. They've always been all potential. Fisher may end up getting it done there but they face the same problem with Alabama, LSU and Auburn in the division.

Under Nutt and Petrino Arkansas was 69-63 in the SEC. We've won the SEC West three times, went to a Sugar Bowl and have finished ranked inside the top 10 three times. Even the head-to-head record against Alabama and Auburn was pretty close back then. Since then we are 13-43 in the SEC which is the worst stretch in our history. We don't expect to be Alabama but Ole Miss with Freeze and MSU with Mullen showed that you can win at a high level with the right coach, although it will always be more sporadic than the elite schools. There's absolutely no reason to get blown out by WKU when we typically recruit on par with Ole Miss, South Carolina, MSU, etc.

Right now a coach just winning 7-8 games a year here would be able to last a long time. Baylor, Kansas State, Minnesota, etc. are having great years with less talent (on paper) than we have.

Arkansas, Ole Miss and Mississippi State are all in the same boat.

I get the appeal of the family. HC are gone a lot, and so it's hard on the wife - especially with a 5-year old daughter. That could very well what puts this over the top for Norvell.

But Mike is smart, and that is a tough gig.
Morris was just fired in less than 2 seasons!
Their last conference championship was in '89, in the SouthWEST conference.
Since joining the SEC in 1992, they've had 7 HCs.
That's an average tenure of 4 years.

Make the move if you think you need to for the family. You could get a better job. Just get some really good guaranteed money, because you will likely be fired within 4 years.

(11-11-2019 12:08 PM)gohogs14 Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 10:50 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  So, right now Wayward is saying the team that barely beat Portland State in its opener and was was shelled by WKU on Saturday is just a head coach away from 7-3... not 2-8.

And this is precisely why Arkansas averages a new coach every 3 years...

Arkansas will always trail Alabama, LSU, Auburn and Tx A&M. Of course, there will be blips, but those schools are surrounded by fertile recruiting ground and equally unlimited budgets.

7-3 is a stretch but we only lost to A&M and Kentucky by 4 points. Those plus the cupcakes that we lost (SJSU and WKU) makes us 6-4 with a better coach. Granted we aren't going to win every close game but we should have more than 2 wins.

Texas A&M isn't that much better than Arkansas historically. They've always been all potential. Fisher may end up getting it done there but they face the same problem with Alabama, LSU and Auburn in the division.

Under Nutt and Petrino Arkansas was 69-63 in the SEC. We've won the SEC West three times, went to a Sugar Bowl and have finished ranked inside the top 10 three times. Even the head-to-head record against Alabama and Auburn was pretty close back then. Since then we are 13-43 in the SEC which is the worst stretch in our history. We don't expect to be Alabama but Ole Miss with Freeze and MSU with Mullen showed that you can win at a high level with the right coach, although it will always be more sporadic than the elite schools. There's absolutely no reason to get blown out by WKU when we typically recruit on par with Ole Miss, South Carolina, MSU, etc.

Right now a coach just winning 7-8 games a year here would be able to last a long time. Baylor, Kansas State, Minnesota, etc. are having great years with less talent (on paper) than we have.

Curious, and I don't feel like looking it up. What is AR attendance average this year? Low-mid 40's?

(11-13-2019 12:11 PM)Chi-Town Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 12:08 PM)gohogs14 Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 10:50 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  So, right now Wayward is saying the team that barely beat Portland State in its opener and was was shelled by WKU on Saturday is just a head coach away from 7-3... not 2-8.

And this is precisely why Arkansas averages a new coach every 3 years...

Arkansas will always trail Alabama, LSU, Auburn and Tx A&M. Of course, there will be blips, but those schools are surrounded by fertile recruiting ground and equally unlimited budgets.

7-3 is a stretch but we only lost to A&M and Kentucky by 4 points. Those plus the cupcakes that we lost (SJSU and WKU) makes us 6-4 with a better coach. Granted we aren't going to win every close game but we should have more than 2 wins.

Texas A&M isn't that much better than Arkansas historically. They've always been all potential. Fisher may end up getting it done there but they face the same problem with Alabama, LSU and Auburn in the division.

Under Nutt and Petrino Arkansas was 69-63 in the SEC. We've won the SEC West three times, went to a Sugar Bowl and have finished ranked inside the top 10 three times. Even the head-to-head record against Alabama and Auburn was pretty close back then. Since then we are 13-43 in the SEC which is the worst stretch in our history. We don't expect to be Alabama but Ole Miss with Freeze and MSU with Mullen showed that you can win at a high level with the right coach, although it will always be more sporadic than the elite schools. There's absolutely no reason to get blown out by WKU when we typically recruit on par with Ole Miss, South Carolina, MSU, etc.

Right now a coach just winning 7-8 games a year here would be able to last a long time. Baylor, Kansas State, Minnesota, etc. are having great years with less talent (on paper) than we have.

Curious, and I don't feel like looking it up. What is AR attendance average this year? Low-mid 40's?

Took a quick look without actually running numbers it appears around 52,000 or so.

(11-13-2019 02:42 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 12:11 PM)Chi-Town Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 12:08 PM)gohogs14 Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 10:50 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  So, right now Wayward is saying the team that barely beat Portland State in its opener and was was shelled by WKU on Saturday is just a head coach away from 7-3... not 2-8.

And this is precisely why Arkansas averages a new coach every 3 years...

Arkansas will always trail Alabama, LSU, Auburn and Tx A&M. Of course, there will be blips, but those schools are surrounded by fertile recruiting ground and equally unlimited budgets.

7-3 is a stretch but we only lost to A&M and Kentucky by 4 points. Those plus the cupcakes that we lost (SJSU and WKU) makes us 6-4 with a better coach. Granted we aren't going to win every close game but we should have more than 2 wins.

Texas A&M isn't that much better than Arkansas historically. They've always been all potential. Fisher may end up getting it done there but they face the same problem with Alabama, LSU and Auburn in the division.

Under Nutt and Petrino Arkansas was 69-63 in the SEC. We've won the SEC West three times, went to a Sugar Bowl and have finished ranked inside the top 10 three times. Even the head-to-head record against Alabama and Auburn was pretty close back then. Since then we are 13-43 in the SEC which is the worst stretch in our history. We don't expect to be Alabama but Ole Miss with Freeze and MSU with Mullen showed that you can win at a high level with the right coach, although it will always be more sporadic than the elite schools. There's absolutely no reason to get blown out by WKU when we typically recruit on par with Ole Miss, South Carolina, MSU, etc.

Right now a coach just winning 7-8 games a year here would be able to last a long time. Baylor, Kansas State, Minnesota, etc. are having great years with less talent (on paper) than we have.

Curious, and I don't feel like looking it up. What is AR attendance average this year? Low-mid 40's?

Took a quick look without actually running numbers it appears around 52,000 or so.

Someone at the game said actual attendance this past weekend was in the 20's.

Its not all the relevant what their attendance was this year, you know they will pack it for even a decent team

(11-13-2019 03:18 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 02:42 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 12:11 PM)Chi-Town Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 12:08 PM)gohogs14 Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 10:50 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  So, right now Wayward is saying the team that barely beat Portland State in its opener and was was shelled by WKU on Saturday is just a head coach away from 7-3... not 2-8.

And this is precisely why Arkansas averages a new coach every 3 years...

Arkansas will always trail Alabama, LSU, Auburn and Tx A&M. Of course, there will be blips, but those schools are surrounded by fertile recruiting ground and equally unlimited budgets.

7-3 is a stretch but we only lost to A&M and Kentucky by 4 points. Those plus the cupcakes that we lost (SJSU and WKU) makes us 6-4 with a better coach. Granted we aren't going to win every close game but we should have more than 2 wins.

Texas A&M isn't that much better than Arkansas historically. They've always been all potential. Fisher may end up getting it done there but they face the same problem with Alabama, LSU and Auburn in the division.

Under Nutt and Petrino Arkansas was 69-63 in the SEC. We've won the SEC West three times, went to a Sugar Bowl and have finished ranked inside the top 10 three times. Even the head-to-head record against Alabama and Auburn was pretty close back then. Since then we are 13-43 in the SEC which is the worst stretch in our history. We don't expect to be Alabama but Ole Miss with Freeze and MSU with Mullen showed that you can win at a high level with the right coach, although it will always be more sporadic than the elite schools. There's absolutely no reason to get blown out by WKU when we typically recruit on par with Ole Miss, South Carolina, MSU, etc.

Right now a coach just winning 7-8 games a year here would be able to last a long time. Baylor, Kansas State, Minnesota, etc. are having great years with less talent (on paper) than we have.

Curious, and I don't feel like looking it up. What is AR attendance average this year? Low-mid 40's?

Took a quick look without actually running numbers it appears around 52,000 or so.

Someone at the game said actual attendance this past weekend was in the 20's.

The past two home games were our lowest attended SEC games since 2001. Fans were through with Morris.

Nick Saban was asked about the Arkansas job today. Pretty fair assessment IMO.

(11-11-2019 10:50 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  So, right now Wayward is saying the team that barely beat Portland State in its opener and was was shelled by WKU on Saturday is just a head coach away from 7-3... not 2-8.

And this is precisely why Arkansas averages a new coach every 3 years...

Arkansas will always trail Alabama, LSU, Auburn and Tx A&M. Of course, there will be blips, but those schools are surrounded by fertile recruiting ground and equally unlimited budgets.

Yeah, Morris had lost this team before the season began. Part of that was running off the QB that handed him his ass to him althis past weekend because he wanted his boy from Smoo, He never put much real effort into winning over Fat F#$%'s players. All one has to do is look at the play of DLineman Sosa Agim from past seasons and know this team has been tanking it. No players came to his defense when he was let go, no crying ect, ect, ect. Plenty threw shade his way.

AR IS a dumpster fire, despite all of the hog protestations. They been in a 15yr+ decline - and over the next decade they will not compete with Bama, Auburn, LSU or even aTm. That puts them playing for 5th place in the SEC West. That means a new coach every 2-3 yrs - and that provided they start honoring contracts of the coaches they fire, or they won't get a qualified coach going forward.

(11-14-2019 12:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  AR IS a dumpster fire, despite all of the hog protestations. They been in a 15yr+ decline - and over the next decade they will not compete with Bama, Auburn, LSU or even aTm. That puts them playing for 5th place in the SEC West. That means a new coach every 2-3 yrs - and that provided they start honoring contracts of the coaches they fire, or they won't get a qualified coach going forward.

Yep. It's a risky move to make for a young up and coming coach. Unless that coach is ok with going back to being a coordinator after he gets fired in 3 years.

There will be better opportunities.

(11-13-2019 03:26 PM)Clawson Wrote:  Its not all the relevant what their attendance was this year, you know they will pack it for even a decent team

It is absolutely relevant, and speaks to what even a lower tier performing SEC/P5 school can bring. Norvell fights like hell to get 40k in the stands (obviously not criticizing the fans on this board or the die-hards that are otherwise there EVERY SINGLE GAME) here, but a "dumpster fire" program gets 52k average?

That is a nice problem to work with, and speaks to the core support of the Arkansas faithful, in a small state, with no other teams to root for. I hate to sound like an AR shill, but it is a program that I am familiar with, I have many friends that are die-hards there, and I say again, I hope they don't come calling because I think he would give it a hard thought/listen. Those here like Atlanta that are trying to tear down that program are ill-informed at best, or quite simply, just stupid.

(11-14-2019 01:29 PM)Chi-Town Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 03:26 PM)Clawson Wrote:  Its not all the relevant what their attendance was this year, you know they will pack it for even a decent team

It is absolutely relevant, and speaks to what even a lower tier performing SEC/P5 school can bring. Norvell fights like hell to get 40k in the stands (obviously not criticizing the fans on this board or the die-hards that are otherwise there EVERY SINGLE GAME) here, but a "dumpster fire" program gets 52k average?

That is a nice problem to work with, and speaks to the core support of the Arkansas faithful, in a small state, with no other teams to root for. I hate to sound like an AR shill, but it is a program that I am familiar with, I have many friends that are die-hards there, and I say again, I hope they don't come calling because I think he would give it a hard thought/listen. Those here like Atlanta that are trying to tear down that program are ill-informed at best, or quite simply, just stupid.

My point is do you think its relevant to any coaching candidate if they didn't have great attendance this year. We totally agree, there's no question Arkansas has tremendous fan support and no coach would question that.

(11-11-2019 08:32 AM)holyterror Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 08:27 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  Memphis job > Arkansas job

Ark has no chance against the SEC west. In recruiting and especially on the field.

Seems like Arkansas and Missouri never fit in the sec.
same for A&M, I reckon.

Yet Missouri won the east their first two years.

From day 1 the word has been if Arkansas comes calling, we would be looking for a new coach. Now, with this on the horizon, people are trying to come up with reasons why he would not go. I hope he doesnt, but I will be shocked if he turns down the Ark job if offered.

Well he turned down their interview in 2017, so be prepared to be shocked again.

MN had conversations and his agent had conversations with Arkansas. He informed Arkansas at the time they were not committed to Football so he was not interested at that time.

Arkansas has been in the SEC for 28 years now.

They have 14 winning seasons.

In the last 20 seasons, they have had a winning conference record 5 times.

Historically, it's not a place where one can consistently win, yet the fanbase expects 7-8 wins a year.

(11-14-2019 02:34 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Well he turned down their interview in 2017, so be prepared to be shocked again.

Interesting. I did not know that.

(11-14-2019 12:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  AR IS a dumpster fire, despite all of the hog protestations. They been in a 15yr+ decline - and over the next decade they will not compete with Bama, Auburn, LSU or even aTm. That puts them playing for 5th place in the SEC West.

No one expects Arkansas to beat Alabama, LSU or Auburn every year (though we do beat LSU and Auburn every so often and are competitive with A&M as well). At this point, all a new coach would have to do is win all of the OOC games and show any life at all. It's not a very high bar.

You say we're in a 15 year decline but in the last 15 years we've won 10+ games three times, been to a Sugar Bowl, and won the SEC West. Nutt and Petrino combined to only have a losing record 3 times in 14 years. People assume Bielema and Morris being bad coaches makes this job Vanderbilt when history says you can be average-above average most years here with some really good years mixed in. There are a ton of teams we recruit better than that are better than us and there's really nothing else you can explain away for that other than bad coaching.

(11-14-2019 02:34 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Well he turned down their interview in 2017, so be prepared to be shocked again.

Never heard he was asked to interview but I'll take your word for it. I wouldn't be shocked at all if he stayed but we didn't have an AD in place during the last coaching search which is probably why we went with a guy who had an overall losing record at SMU. Morris was basically a Jerry Jones hire.