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RE: Independence Bowl issues
(Yesterday 08:02 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Wouldnt a CUSA v Sunbelt game be best for all parties? I dont understand why this is so difficult

CUSA vs Sunbelt would keep the bowl in business. I think the problem is, Independence Bowl sees themselves as more than they are--they're a bowl with History and Tradition, a cut above johnny-come-latelies like Montgomery and the Bahamas and Boca Raton and the Cure Bowl. I don't think CUSA and the Sun Belt see it that way--Shreveport is just another southern city with a stadium and a bowl charter.

The PAC cares about the age of the Poulan Weedeater Independence Bowl, which is why they're in Shreveport and not Albuquerque or wherever.
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(Yesterday 08:51 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(Yesterday 08:02 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Wouldnt a CUSA v Sunbelt game be best for all parties? I dont understand why this is so difficult

CUSA vs Sunbelt would keep the bowl in business. I think the problem is, Independence Bowl sees themselves as more than they are--they're a bowl with History and Tradition, a cut above johnny-come-latelies like Montgomery and the Bahamas and Boca Raton and the Cure Bowl. I don't think CUSA and the Sun Belt see it that way--Shreveport is just another southern city with a stadium and a bowl charter.

The PAC cares about the age of the Poulan Weedeater Independence Bowl, which is why they're in Shreveport and not Albuquerque or wherever.
I doubt the PAC care about the age of the bowl. It is their #8 spot which they will rarely fill. Also, they are switching between the pool and Indy if really care they would sign up for it every year.
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RE: Independence Bowl issues
(Yesterday 08:51 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(Yesterday 08:02 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Wouldnt a CUSA v Sunbelt game be best for all parties? I dont understand why this is so difficult

CUSA vs Sunbelt would keep the bowl in business. I think the problem is, Independence Bowl sees themselves as more than they are--they're a bowl with History and Tradition, a cut above johnny-come-latelies like Montgomery and the Bahamas and Boca Raton and the Cure Bowl. I don't think CUSA and the Sun Belt see it that way--Shreveport is just another southern city with a stadium and a bowl charter.

The PAC cares about the age of the Poulan Weedeater Independence Bowl, which is why they're in Shreveport and not Albuquerque or wherever.

Independence Bowl faces the same problem the Liberty Bowl faced a few years ago. They DO have a modicum of "history and tradition", and all else equal that DOES put them above all the rabble of johnny-come-lately Gasparilla and Boca Raton bowls.

But what they have failed to recognize is that payout has always mattered - that's a tradition too - and their payout has just not kept up, they've allowed it to stagnate at a low level. And history/tradition cannot overcome that.

So the Indy has to figure out how to boost their payout, to the 1.5m - 2m range, like the Liberty did, or else it will be relegated to the ashbin of history.
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Shreveport can't boost the payout because they cannot find the sponsor willing to boost it. There aren't many sponsors getting excited about four days vacation in Shreveport vs NOLA or Tampa or Orlando. They cannot deliver the teams that get you the ratings that get you that sort of money.

Liberty had FedEx and AutoZone based in the city. Having St Jude as their charity activity opened some doors as well.

Shreveport doesn't have similar local businesses to draw upon.
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(Today 10:19 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Shreveport can't boost the payout because they cannot find the sponsor willing to boost it. There aren't many sponsors getting excited about four days vacation in Shreveport vs NOLA or Tampa or Orlando. They cannot deliver the teams that get you the ratings that get you that sort of money.

Liberty had FedEx and AutoZone based in the city. Having St Jude as their charity activity opened some doors as well.

Shreveport doesn't have similar local businesses to draw upon.

Yes, that very well could be the situation. And if they can't find another $500k per team, to get that payout up to about $1.6m or more, then IMO this current scraping of the barrel is what their future will be.
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(Today 10:19 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Shreveport can't boost the payout because they cannot find the sponsor willing to boost it. There aren't many sponsors getting excited about four days vacation in Shreveport vs NOLA or Tampa or Orlando. They cannot deliver the teams that get you the ratings that get you that sort of money.

Liberty had FedEx and AutoZone based in the city. Having St Jude as their charity activity opened some doors as well.

Shreveport doesn't have similar local businesses to draw upon.

They should try to gets UPS, it would do good marketing for both.
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RE: Independence Bowl issues
(Today 09:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(Yesterday 08:51 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(Yesterday 08:02 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Wouldnt a CUSA v Sunbelt game be best for all parties? I dont understand why this is so difficult

CUSA vs Sunbelt would keep the bowl in business. I think the problem is, Independence Bowl sees themselves as more than they are--they're a bowl with History and Tradition, a cut above johnny-come-latelies like Montgomery and the Bahamas and Boca Raton and the Cure Bowl. I don't think CUSA and the Sun Belt see it that way--Shreveport is just another southern city with a stadium and a bowl charter.

The PAC cares about the age of the Poulan Weedeater Independence Bowl, which is why they're in Shreveport and not Albuquerque or wherever.

Independence Bowl faces the same problem the Liberty Bowl faced a few years ago. They DO have a modicum of "history and tradition", and all else equal that DOES put them above all the rabble of johnny-come-lately Gasparilla and Boca Raton bowls.

But what they have failed to recognize is that payout has always mattered - that's a tradition too - and their payout has just not kept up, they've allowed it to stagnate at a low level. And history/tradition cannot overcome that.

So the Indy has to figure out how to boost their payout, to the 1.5m - 2m range, like the Liberty did, or else it will be relegated to the ashbin of history.

Except that Memphis is a major league/AAA metropolitan area with upwards of a million people, plus Beale Street, while Shreveport has about half that, and (as far as I know) mediocre casinos. Looking at the rest of the SEC bowl lineup--New Orleans, Orlando, Tampa, Atlanta (before Peach Bowl was a NY6 game), Charlotte, Nashville, Houston, Jacksonville--I see a lot of NFL/MLB metro areas, with or without
bowl history--and then a dropoff to Birmingham and Shreveport, with Shreveport being the runt of the litter lately.

Nobody seems to mind the lack of institutional history for the game between the ACC #2 and Big 12 #3.

It seems that historic bowl tradition doesn't mean much to the conferences, for anything but their signature, trademark bowls (Rose, Sugar, Cotton, Orange)
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RE: Independence Bowl issues
(Today 12:18 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(Today 09:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(Yesterday 08:51 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(Yesterday 08:02 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Wouldnt a CUSA v Sunbelt game be best for all parties? I dont understand why this is so difficult

CUSA vs Sunbelt would keep the bowl in business. I think the problem is, Independence Bowl sees themselves as more than they are--they're a bowl with History and Tradition, a cut above johnny-come-latelies like Montgomery and the Bahamas and Boca Raton and the Cure Bowl. I don't think CUSA and the Sun Belt see it that way--Shreveport is just another southern city with a stadium and a bowl charter.

The PAC cares about the age of the Poulan Weedeater Independence Bowl, which is why they're in Shreveport and not Albuquerque or wherever.

Independence Bowl faces the same problem the Liberty Bowl faced a few years ago. They DO have a modicum of "history and tradition", and all else equal that DOES put them above all the rabble of johnny-come-lately Gasparilla and Boca Raton bowls.

But what they have failed to recognize is that payout has always mattered - that's a tradition too - and their payout has just not kept up, they've allowed it to stagnate at a low level. And history/tradition cannot overcome that.

So the Indy has to figure out how to boost their payout, to the 1.5m - 2m range, like the Liberty did, or else it will be relegated to the ashbin of history.

Except that Memphis is a major league/AAA metropolitan area with upwards of a million people, plus Beale Street, while Shreveport has about half that, and (as far as I know) mediocre casinos.

That's an exaggeration. Memphis is a second-tier metro area, arguably third-tier, it's certainly not 'major league' in the sense that Dallas and Atlanta are, it's at least one cut below that, probably two.

That said, yes, Memphis is clearly above Shreveport, which is at least one level down from Memphis.

Nevertheless, if the Independence Bowl was offering $2m per school, I don't think it would have slipped out of the SEC roster of bowls. Shreveport itself isn't some rust-belt city that used to be big and booming and prosperous but now as sunk, it's never been more than what it is right now, but for decades has had a solid bowl game anyway.
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RE: Independence Bowl issues
(Today 12:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(Today 12:18 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(Today 09:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(Yesterday 08:51 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(Yesterday 08:02 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Wouldnt a CUSA v Sunbelt game be best for all parties? I dont understand why this is so difficult

CUSA vs Sunbelt would keep the bowl in business. I think the problem is, Independence Bowl sees themselves as more than they are--they're a bowl with History and Tradition, a cut above johnny-come-latelies like Montgomery and the Bahamas and Boca Raton and the Cure Bowl. I don't think CUSA and the Sun Belt see it that way--Shreveport is just another southern city with a stadium and a bowl charter.

The PAC cares about the age of the Poulan Weedeater Independence Bowl, which is why they're in Shreveport and not Albuquerque or wherever.

Independence Bowl faces the same problem the Liberty Bowl faced a few years ago. They DO have a modicum of "history and tradition", and all else equal that DOES put them above all the rabble of johnny-come-lately Gasparilla and Boca Raton bowls.

But what they have failed to recognize is that payout has always mattered - that's a tradition too - and their payout has just not kept up, they've allowed it to stagnate at a low level. And history/tradition cannot overcome that.

So the Indy has to figure out how to boost their payout, to the 1.5m - 2m range, like the Liberty did, or else it will be relegated to the ashbin of history.

Except that Memphis is a major league/AAA metropolitan area with upwards of a million people, plus Beale Street, while Shreveport has about half that, and (as far as I know) mediocre casinos.

That's an exaggeration. Memphis is a second-tier metro area, arguably third-tier, it's certainly not 'major league' in the sense that Dallas and Atlanta are, it's at least one cut below that, probably two.

That said, yes, Memphis is clearly above Shreveport, which is at least one level down from Memphis.

Nevertheless, if the Independence Bowl was offering $2m per school, I don't think it would have slipped out of the SEC roster of bowls. Shreveport itself isn't some rust-belt city that used to be big and booming and prosperous but now as sunk, it's never been more than what it is right now, but for decades has had a solid bowl game anyway.

Technically it is Major League, but so is Buffalo and Green Bay.
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