johnbragg
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RE: Independence Bowl issues
(08-19-2019 12:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (08-19-2019 11:42 AM)johnbragg Wrote: (08-19-2019 07:56 AM)quo vadis Wrote: (08-18-2019 07:23 PM)johnbragg Wrote: (08-18-2019 06:47 PM)whittx Wrote: or Major League means having a team in one of the big 4 major sports leagues.
Yup. Reality check against List of Metropolitan Areas by Size. Memphis is at #43, nestled in with Milwaukee, Providence, Jacksonville, Raleigh NC, Richmond, Louisville, New Orleans, Salt LAke City, Hartford, Birmingham.
Shreveport is at 125, between Salem, OR and Fort Wayne, IN. (Mobile AL is in the same neighborhood at 131)
First, a definition that says Memphis is "major league" in the same sense Dallas is is meaningless, and second, being "major league" has nothing to do with bowl viability.
Disagree. Memphis isn't a top 10 metro, but it's a top 50 metro.
Quote:The Independence Bowl has operated just fine for over 50 years. Its problems are its stagnant payout, not the nature of the city.
The lack of ability to increase the payout is related to the mediocrity of the city. The future of the Independence Bowl is in the same category as the Camellia, Bahamas, Albuquerque, Tuscon, Boise bowls.
You disagree with my statement that a definition of "major league" that lumps Dallas and Memphis together is meaningless? Dallas is a "top 10 metro area" and dwarfs Memphis in every way, so I am spot on about that.
And Memphis dwarfs Shreveport. Dallas is not a relevant comparison.
EDIT You don't disagree with that either. You just disagree with the popular rule of thumb for "major league city" as "having a major pro sports franchise". We are at an impasse there.
Quote:As for Shreveport and the Indy Bowl, I have said all along that if they can't up their payout by about $500k per team, they are headed to the dustbin. I don't think we disagree about that.
I don't think it's the dustbin, I think they'll get two random G5s.
We agree, if they can't come up with more money, they get left in the dust. I'm just pointing out that the money likely isn't there, because Shreveport is a dump and doesn't have the money sloshing around that Memphis or Birmingham has.
Quote: And the fact that Shreveport isn't any kind of destination city in terms of weather or entertainment, etc. sure doesn't help. But, they have run a successful bowl for over 40 years, and Shreveport has been a dump that whole time, so I'm not sure Shreveport's dump status is the big problem.
As college football has become bigger business, Shreveport has gotten more competition. Bowl games in NFL showcase stadiums in Charlotte, Nashville, Houston, Phoenix have jumped Independence in the pecking order.
Shreveport's dump status wasn't a problem when they were one of a dozen cities hosting bowl games, or one of 20 games. Now, there are 40 or so cities hosting, another dozen cities looking at Montgomery AL and the Bahamas and saying "we could do that", so Shreveport has serious competition for landing a P5 bowl tie-in, and the only card they have to play is the glorious "history" of the Poulan Weedeater Bowl.
The Sun Bowl is in the same sort of category, but the PAC and ACC are propping each other up there because they lack better options.
(This post was last modified: 08-19-2019 12:59 PM by johnbragg.)
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