(08-15-2019 11:46 AM)usffan Wrote:  

USFFan

Thats a piece of the puzzle---but what Im left trying to figure out is---Did the Indy Bowl negotiate this tie independently with the Pac12---or was this part of a larger deal where the Indy Bowl negotiated about the best seat they could hope for (a P5 tie half the time) at the ESPN Bowl Pool buffet table? From my reading---it could really indicate either possibility.

(08-15-2019 02:29 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 01:50 PM)panite Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 12:34 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  So who is on the other end of the Indy bowl? CUSA or SB?

TBD

Probably the ESPN Pool, Army, BYU, the SB, and CUSA.

The PAC-12 will probably play there if the ESPN Pool places an ACC team, an SEC team, BYU, Army, ND, or maybe an AAC team there. It will choose to go to the ESPN Pool if a SB, CUSA, or MAC team is chosen as the opponent. It will probably end up being a SB, CUSA, MAC, and any independent not named ND most years to get to the next cycle to survive. JMO.

How can ESPN place an SEC, ACC, or AAC team there? Those conferences have other ties to fill, and are not aligned with the Indy bowl. Unless they have an overage of teams available.

Didn't they each place a team in the ESPN Pool rather than maximize their bowl allotments. I thought they did.

(08-15-2019 11:46 AM)usffan Wrote:  

USFFan

This announcement says to me the Indy wont formally join the bowl pool as some have speculated.

To go along with news the PAC will be involved and that it will survive.

(08-15-2019 03:02 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 11:46 AM)usffan Wrote:  

USFFan

This announcement says to me the Indy wont formally join the bowl pool as some have speculated.

To go along with news the PAC will be involved and that it will survive.

Thats the way Im leaning---but it is still possible they are working to independently line up ties with the Sunbelt and CUSA to fill out the rest of their slots. That said---I tend to think you are right and that the Indy bowl joined the ESPN bowl pool.

(08-15-2019 03:21 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 03:02 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 11:46 AM)usffan Wrote:  

USFFan

This announcement says to me the Indy wont formally join the bowl pool as some have speculated.

To go along with news the PAC will be involved and that it will survive.

Thats the way Im leaning---but it is still possible they are working to independently line up ties with the Sunbelt and CUSA to fill out the rest of their slots. That said---I tend to think you are right and that the Indy bowl joined the ESPN bowl pool.

Funny, but I take the tweet the other way, that because it mentions the Independence Bowl separately from the ESPN pool, that the Independence Bowl is going it alone, it will be "independent" of the ESPN family of bowls.

(08-15-2019 03:33 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 03:21 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 03:02 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 11:46 AM)usffan Wrote:  

USFFan

This announcement says to me the Indy wont formally join the bowl pool as some have speculated.

To go along with news the PAC will be involved and that it will survive.

Thats the way Im leaning---but it is still possible they are working to independently line up ties with the Sunbelt and CUSA to fill out the rest of their slots. That said---I tend to think you are right and that the Indy bowl joined the ESPN bowl pool.

Funny, but I take the tweet the other way, that because it mentions the Independence Bowl separately from the ESPN pool, that the Independence Bowl is going it alone, it will be "independent" of the ESPN family of bowls.

Agree with this take. Indy will be independent of the ESPN Bowl Pool.

(08-15-2019 02:29 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 01:50 PM)panite Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 12:34 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  So who is on the other end of the Indy bowl? CUSA or SB?

TBD

Probably the ESPN Pool, Army, BYU, the SB, and CUSA.

The PAC-12 will probably play there if the ESPN Pool places an ACC team, an SEC team, BYU, Army, ND, or maybe an AAC team there. It will choose to go to the ESPN Pool if a SB, CUSA, or MAC team is chosen as the opponent. It will probably end up being a SB, CUSA, MAC, and any independent not named ND most years to get to the next cycle to survive. JMO.

How can ESPN place an SEC, ACC, or AAC team there? Those conferences have other ties to fill, and are not aligned with the Indy bowl. Unless they have an overage of teams available.

His original opinion is in error. It’s built around the rather pretentious assumption that the PAC-12 (or any other member of the cartel) cares about opponents or location for its last-eligible, 6-6 team, and therefore must want something more lofty than a CUSA or Sun Belt opponent. History suggests all the cartel wants out of any of its 6-6 teams is the best paycheck it can possibly get. That’s why it’s not a firm tie: ESPN will have the chance to “pay up” to get a better tv draw.

The Independence Bowl committee wants tickets sold and hotel rooms booked. They are not going to get that through matching a couple of 8-4 or 7-5 non-cartel teams that are disappointed because they are having to play each other. Lacking a cartel member on each side of the field, the next best thing for them is a 6-6 cartel school versus a regional non cartel opponent.

As usual, no one cares what those outside the cartel think.

(08-15-2019 03:33 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 03:21 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 03:02 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 11:46 AM)usffan Wrote:  

USFFan

This announcement says to me the Indy wont formally join the bowl pool as some have speculated.

To go along with news the PAC will be involved and that it will survive.

Thats the way Im leaning---but it is still possible they are working to independently line up ties with the Sunbelt and CUSA to fill out the rest of their slots. That said---I tend to think you are right and that the Indy bowl joined the ESPN bowl pool.

Funny, but I take the tweet the other way, that because it mentions the Independence Bowl separately from the ESPN pool, that the Independence Bowl is going it alone, it will be "independent" of the ESPN family of bowls.

I actually misread the post I answered. The info in McMurphy's tweet isnt really definitive one way or another. There really isnt any reason to think that the Indy didnt negotiate this kind of clause as part of joining the ESPN pool. I mean--thats pretty much what the hold up is for BYU---they are trying to negotiate something more specific than just a random slot in the pool. That said--its also completely possible that the Indy negotiated that tie on their own and is working independently with CUSA/SB/Indys to fill the Indy's other open slots. I can honestly see it either way. My feeling is that the Indy Bowl probably is part of the pool just because ESPN holds the upper hand in this kind of stuff---but thats frankly just more a hunch than anything else.

(08-15-2019 04:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 03:33 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 03:21 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 03:02 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 11:46 AM)usffan Wrote:  

USFFan

This announcement says to me the Indy wont formally join the bowl pool as some have speculated.

To go along with news the PAC will be involved and that it will survive.

Thats the way Im leaning---but it is still possible they are working to independently line up ties with the Sunbelt and CUSA to fill out the rest of their slots. That said---I tend to think you are right and that the Indy bowl joined the ESPN bowl pool.

Funny, but I take the tweet the other way, that because it mentions the Independence Bowl separately from the ESPN pool, that the Independence Bowl is going it alone, it will be "independent" of the ESPN family of bowls.

I actually misread the post I answered. The info in McMurphy's tweet isnt really definitive one way or another. There really isnt any reason to think that the Indy didnt negotiate this kind of clause as part of joining the ESPN pool. I mean--thats pretty much what the hold up is for BYU---they are trying to negotiate something more specific than just a random slot in the pool. That said--its also completely possible that the Indy negotiated that tie on their own and is working independently with CUSA/SB/Indys to fill the Indy's other open slots. I can honestly see it either way. My feeling is that the Indy Bowl probably is part of the pool just because ESPN holds the upper hand in this kind of stuff---but thats frankly just more a hunch than anything else.

To me, the biggest takeaway here isn't about the Indy Bowl but the PAC. The PAC is agreeing to send a team at least some years 1,000 to 2,000 miles across country to a podunk place to play a G5 team. That is the biggest Toilet Bowl among the P5 I am aware of.

I mean yes, all P5 have matchups with G5. But most have compensating factors. E.g., the SEC is going to be putting a 6-6 team in the Gasparilla Bowl occasionally. But the G-Bowl is in Tampa, still SEC territory, and a great destination in late December.

(08-15-2019 06:09 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 04:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 03:33 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 03:21 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 03:02 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  This announcement says to me the Indy wont formally join the bowl pool as some have speculated.

To go along with news the PAC will be involved and that it will survive.

Thats the way Im leaning---but it is still possible they are working to independently line up ties with the Sunbelt and CUSA to fill out the rest of their slots. That said---I tend to think you are right and that the Indy bowl joined the ESPN bowl pool.

Funny, but I take the tweet the other way, that because it mentions the Independence Bowl separately from the ESPN pool, that the Independence Bowl is going it alone, it will be "independent" of the ESPN family of bowls.

I actually misread the post I answered. The info in McMurphy's tweet isnt really definitive one way or another. There really isnt any reason to think that the Indy didnt negotiate this kind of clause as part of joining the ESPN pool. I mean--thats pretty much what the hold up is for BYU---they are trying to negotiate something more specific than just a random slot in the pool. That said--its also completely possible that the Indy negotiated that tie on their own and is working independently with CUSA/SB/Indys to fill the Indy's other open slots. I can honestly see it either way. My feeling is that the Indy Bowl probably is part of the pool just because ESPN holds the upper hand in this kind of stuff---but thats frankly just more a hunch than anything else.

To me, the biggest takeaway here isn't about the Indy Bowl but the PAC. The PAC is agreeing to send a team at least some years 1,000 to 2,000 miles across country to a podunk place to play a G5 team. That is the biggest Toilet Bowl among the P5 I am aware of.

I mean yes, all P5 have matchups with G5. But most have compensating factors. E.g., the SEC is going to be putting a 6-6 team in the Gasparilla Bowl occasionally. But the G-Bowl is in Tampa, still SEC territory, and a great destination in late December.

Your right. That is an oddity. Typically, the P5 might have a G5 bowl—but it’s usually located in a bowl that’s inside the footprint offering an easy convenient drive for several member schools.

More info from the Shreveport Times. The article tends to make me think the bowl is working independently of the ESPN Bowl pool---but then it also says ESPN is working with the bowl to set up its partners---so idk.


https://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/sp...024228001/

Look for the Pac 12 to find its way into the Armed Forces or First Responders Bowl against the Big 12 more often than not. Both bowls are ESPN owned and DFW is about the only easy travel location for Pac 12 fan bases that’s not in Mountain or Pacific time zones.

(08-16-2019 10:44 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  More info from the Shreveport Times. The article tends to make me think the bowl is working independently of the ESPN Bowl pool---but then it also says ESPN is working with the bowl to set up its partners---so idk.


https://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/sp...024228001/

Since BYU has three year tie-in to Hawaii, makes sense for BYU to go after the tie-in with the P12 the other 3. Figure Army could tie-in for non BYU years with Armed Forces for the other 3 years.

Local Radio Link..Independence Bowl Chairman Art Carmody joined Tim Fletcher to clear up some of those rumors.

Link
https://1130thetiger.com/indy-bowl-chair...ls-future/

(08-17-2019 12:31 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Local Radio Link..Independence Bowl Chairman Art Carmody joined Tim Fletcher to clear up some of those rumors.

Link
https://1130thetiger.com/indy-bowl-chair...ls-future/

Sounds like they are looking at the pre-Christmas option going forward especially if they can't land P5 Conferences. Also the ACC won't play in future cycles if the game is pre-Christmas and the SEC is moving in that direction too. Payout is a problem for the SEC since they get three times as much in their worst bowl. This bowl needs the SB, MAC, CUSA, the MWC, or the AAC to sign on to it to certify it with 2 actual conferences before they can go after the new sponsor. The only two conferences that haven't announced their bowls yet are the SB and CUSA so help would be needed from ESPN to get the AAC, MWC, and the MAC since they are relying on the ESPN Bowl Pool for some of their bowl games. My guess the Independence Bowl will have to settle for CUSA or the SB as the second anchor to certify it.

McMurphy said the other day it would be:
PAC 12 vs BYU/Army/MWC
Was he wrong?

Actually, CUSA has three year tie-in with Hawaii. Could tie-in with Indy for the other three. Then have BYU and Army as tie-in the other other years with another G5 conference for one year. Instead of CUSA and SB, I really think Army and BYU announcing tie-ins will give the complete picture.

(08-17-2019 05:06 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  McMurphy said the other day it would be:
PAC 12 vs BYU/Army/MWC
Was he wrong?

Yes--McMurphy has to be at least partially wrong. If the Pac is only there 3 years its absolutely impossible for that that to be the annual line up every year. Additionally, the MW is full except for secondary ties---which wont help the Indy Bowl get certified. They are going to have to get CUSA or the SB to sign on as a primary. I wonder if the Indy can use Pac12 (3 yrs) plus BYU/Army (3 years) to fill one side of the bracket. Then sign a deal to have a member from the ESPN Bowl Pool fill the "opponent" slot for the other side of the Indy Bowl bracket. That would create a lot of flexibility and potentially some very interesting match ups with possible local angles for the Indy.

Wouldnt a CUSA v Sunbelt game be best for all parties? I dont understand why this is so difficult

(08-17-2019 08:02 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Wouldnt a CUSA v Sunbelt game be best for all parties? I dont understand why this is so difficult

You'd think. I think they will still need a signature from those two conferences to get certified (or else they will have to cut a deal with the ESPN Bowl Pool).