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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-11-2019 11:58 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
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(01-10-2019 01:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Still does not make them citizens, much less instant ones.

But does make them instant (presumably democrat) voters, which is all democrats care about.

But they can't vote in any national (or fairly certain any state-wide) election, so would it matter what type of voter they are?

AND once upon a time convicted felons couldn't vote either....we'll see how that works out in florida....

See... you get the concept of "baby-steps". I wonder why others don't.

.....they want us to ignore the baby steps as inconsequential until the cumulative effect of those baby steps is a populous that no longer has it's constitutional rights - but then, it's too late.

That is exactly the Democratic playbook...................
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(01-11-2019 12:03 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:04 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 08:19 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 03:01 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 09:17 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Looks like this could be what a gun national emergency could look like:

Ban the sale, transfer, or gifting of any firearm until a national registry of every firearm in the country can be established

Ban any and all open or concealed carry by any person not on duty as a licensed police officer while the emergency is going on

Seize all records of every gun dealer and gun range in the country

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Sure, there would be a few Cliven Bundy's. Not that hard to deal with them. Start an insurrection and they'll fare no differently than others that have tried.

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The President has been given extraordinary powers with the understanding that they will not be used to enact that which they cannot do without the support of the government or only in extreme cases. The border issue doesn't rise to that level. But hey, if you guys want to expand Presidential power....go ahead. But don't cry when the Dems take that power and enact gun control right after the first mass shooting of a Dem Administration.

There will be more than a few.

Ever heard of Oath Keepers?

A good question would be who will any president get to enforce such a proclamation? My bet almost no law enforcement would carry out such infringement of the rights of Americans.

The Federal Government managed to overcome Klan dominance of Southern law enforcement agencies. And there were plenty of racists in the armed forces at the time too. This will be little different.

But the klan was acting outside the authority of the Constitution.

As will anyone hindering enforcement of President Castro's national emergency degrees on guns.
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(01-11-2019 12:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:06 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:02 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Again, if a terrorist group wants to try and ignore the American government, they're free to attempt to do so. But understand this, the MAJORITY in this country has no patience for right wingers who wish to use firearms to bully them.
If its legal for Trump to declare an emergency over the wall, it will be just as legal for President Sharrod Brown to do so on guns. And it will be treason for you to openly advocate for armed resistence to that legal order.

How sad is it that this is where our debate has gotten.

I don't want presidents declaring emergencies to do anything but respond to (very few) legitimate emergencies

Then Trump has to lose on the wall. Or a full path to citizenship DREAM act has to be enacted into law in trade, along with full oversight of the border patrol and ICE and concessions on immigration judges/due process for asylum seekers, an end to any barrier to applying for it on US soil, etc in return for 5 Billion for his stupid wall.

What powers Trump picks up, whatever norms he decides to violate...the Dems may decide to use. And if you support Trump (by not supporting the Dems) when he does that, you really can't complain.

Iowa Caucuses are in 54 weeks guys.

Which means non-stop articles about how the Dem candidate is leading in the head-to-head polls.
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-11-2019 12:07 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 12:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:06 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:02 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Again, if a terrorist group wants to try and ignore the American government, they're free to attempt to do so. But understand this, the MAJORITY in this country has no patience for right wingers who wish to use firearms to bully them.
If its legal for Trump to declare an emergency over the wall, it will be just as legal for President Sharrod Brown to do so on guns. And it will be treason for you to openly advocate for armed resistence to that legal order.

How sad is it that this is where our debate has gotten.

I don't want presidents declaring emergencies to do anything but respond to (very few) legitimate emergencies

Then Trump has to lose on the wall. Or a full path to citizenship DREAM act has to be enacted into law in trade, along with full oversight of the border patrol and ICE and concessions on immigration judges/due process for asylum seekers, an end to any barrier to applying for it on US soil, etc in return for 5 Billion for his stupid wall.

What powers Trump picks up, whatever norms he decides to violate...the Dems may decide to use. And if you support Trump (by not supporting the Dems) when he does that, you really can't complain.

Iowa Caucuses are in 54 weeks guys.

Which means non-stop articles about how the Dem candidate is leading in the head-to-head polls.

Don't need polls this time.

You guys need to figure out where to come up with 70 million votes. We know where ours are coming from.

Certainly, we'll post them so you can watch the end of white nationalism for 50 years in motion. Enjoy your Rassmussen Poll.
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(01-11-2019 12:07 PM)Crebman Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:58 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 09:38 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 09:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 09:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  But does make them instant (presumably democrat) voters, which is all democrats care about.

But they can't vote in any national (or fairly certain any state-wide) election, so would it matter what type of voter they are?

AND once upon a time convicted felons couldn't vote either....we'll see how that works out in florida....

See... you get the concept of "baby-steps". I wonder why others don't.

.....they want us to ignore the baby steps as inconsequential until the cumulative effect of those baby steps is a populous that no longer has it's constitutional rights - but then, it's too late.

That is exactly the Democratic playbook...................

it's why we are where we're at today....

same thing is going to happen with decades of irresponsible over spending when the monies run out for social security, debt interest payments, and zero-care....it's just a matter of time that isn't too far away....

one can argue stupid shite all day long, but when the ghosts come knockin' on the door, they'll strip EVERYBODY'S SOUL....
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-11-2019 12:14 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 12:07 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 12:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:06 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:02 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Again, if a terrorist group wants to try and ignore the American government, they're free to attempt to do so. But understand this, the MAJORITY in this country has no patience for right wingers who wish to use firearms to bully them.
If its legal for Trump to declare an emergency over the wall, it will be just as legal for President Sharrod Brown to do so on guns. And it will be treason for you to openly advocate for armed resistence to that legal order.

How sad is it that this is where our debate has gotten.

I don't want presidents declaring emergencies to do anything but respond to (very few) legitimate emergencies

Then Trump has to lose on the wall. Or a full path to citizenship DREAM act has to be enacted into law in trade, along with full oversight of the border patrol and ICE and concessions on immigration judges/due process for asylum seekers, an end to any barrier to applying for it on US soil, etc in return for 5 Billion for his stupid wall.

What powers Trump picks up, whatever norms he decides to violate...the Dems may decide to use. And if you support Trump (by not supporting the Dems) when he does that, you really can't complain.

Iowa Caucuses are in 54 weeks guys.

Which means non-stop articles about how the Dem candidate is leading in the head-to-head polls.

Don't need polls this time.

You guys need to figure out where to come up with 70 million votes. We know where ours are coming from.

Certainly, we'll post them so you can watch the end of white nationalism for 50 years in motion. Enjoy your Rassmussen Poll.

Are they currently sitting in camps over the border in Tijuana?
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(01-11-2019 01:10 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 12:14 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 12:07 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 12:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:06 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  How sad is it that this is where our debate has gotten.

I don't want presidents declaring emergencies to do anything but respond to (very few) legitimate emergencies

Then Trump has to lose on the wall. Or a full path to citizenship DREAM act has to be enacted into law in trade, along with full oversight of the border patrol and ICE and concessions on immigration judges/due process for asylum seekers, an end to any barrier to applying for it on US soil, etc in return for 5 Billion for his stupid wall.

What powers Trump picks up, whatever norms he decides to violate...the Dems may decide to use. And if you support Trump (by not supporting the Dems) when he does that, you really can't complain.

Iowa Caucuses are in 54 weeks guys.

Which means non-stop articles about how the Dem candidate is leading in the head-to-head polls.

Don't need polls this time.

You guys need to figure out where to come up with 70 million votes. We know where ours are coming from.

Certainly, we'll post them so you can watch the end of white nationalism for 50 years in motion. Enjoy your Rassmussen Poll.

Are they currently sitting in camps over the border in Tijuana?

Some of them are in cemeteries. Some are are in stack in a file cabinet-pre-filled out mail in ballots. Some are in lockboxes in Broward County.
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(01-11-2019 11:58 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 09:38 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 09:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 09:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 01:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Still does not make them citizens, much less instant ones.

But does make them instant (presumably democrat) voters, which is all democrats care about.

But they can't vote in any national (or fairly certain any state-wide) election, so would it matter what type of voter they are?

AND once upon a time convicted felons couldn't vote either....we'll see how that works out in florida....

See... you get the concept of "baby-steps". I wonder why others don't.

Yeah...so? Convicted felons are still American citizens. 01-wingedeagle

Besides:
Quote:- In Maine and Vermont, felons never lose their right to vote, even while they are incarcerated.

- In 14 states and the District of Columbia, felons lose their voting rights only while incarcerated, and receive automatic restoration upon release.

- In 22 states, felons lose their voting rights during incarceration, and for a period of time after, typically while on parole and/or probation. Voting rights are automatically restored after this time period. Former felons may also have to pay any outstanding fines, fees or restitution before their rights are restored as well.

- In 12 states felons lose their voting rights indefinitely for some crimes, or require a governor’s pardon in order for voting rights to be restored, or face an additional waiting period after completion of sentence (including parole and probation) before voting rights can be restored.
http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-a...ights.aspx

Go fearmonger somewhere else.
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-11-2019 12:07 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 12:03 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:04 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 08:19 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 03:01 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  There will be more than a few.

Ever heard of Oath Keepers?

A good question would be who will any president get to enforce such a proclamation? My bet almost no law enforcement would carry out such infringement of the rights of Americans.

The Federal Government managed to overcome Klan dominance of Southern law enforcement agencies. And there were plenty of racists in the armed forces at the time too. This will be little different.

But the klan was acting outside the authority of the Constitution.

As will anyone hindering enforcement of President Castro's national emergency degrees on guns.

It's amazing how Democrats dream about going after American citizens doing nothing more than using their constitutional rights yet want to allow foreign law breakers do whatever they may. Any national emergency decree on guns will end badly.
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-11-2019 12:07 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 12:03 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:04 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 08:19 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 03:01 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  There will be more than a few.

Ever heard of Oath Keepers?

A good question would be who will any president get to enforce such a proclamation? My bet almost no law enforcement would carry out such infringement of the rights of Americans.

The Federal Government managed to overcome Klan dominance of Southern law enforcement agencies. And there were plenty of racists in the armed forces at the time too. This will be little different.

But the klan was acting outside the authority of the Constitution.

As will anyone hindering enforcement of President Castro's national emergency degrees on guns.

Will that be his campaign slogan? “Make America gun free!” Please bring it on. Trump won’t even have to campaign for 202003-lmfao
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(01-11-2019 01:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:58 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 09:38 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 09:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 09:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  But does make them instant (presumably democrat) voters, which is all democrats care about.

But they can't vote in any national (or fairly certain any state-wide) election, so would it matter what type of voter they are?

AND once upon a time convicted felons couldn't vote either....we'll see how that works out in florida....

See... you get the concept of "baby-steps". I wonder why others don't.

Yeah...so? Convicted felons are still American citizens. 01-wingedeagle

Besides:
Quote:- In Maine and Vermont, felons never lose their right to vote, even while they are incarcerated.

- In 14 states and the District of Columbia, felons lose their voting rights only while incarcerated, and receive automatic restoration upon release.

- In 22 states, felons lose their voting rights during incarceration, and for a period of time after, typically while on parole and/or probation. Voting rights are automatically restored after this time period. Former felons may also have to pay any outstanding fines, fees or restitution before their rights are restored as well.

- In 12 states felons lose their voting rights indefinitely for some crimes, or require a governor’s pardon in order for voting rights to be restored, or face an additional waiting period after completion of sentence (including parole and probation) before voting rights can be restored.
http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-a...ights.aspx

Go fearmonger somewhere else.

So you are for violent felons getting their guns back? They are still citizens so how about it?
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(01-11-2019 12:07 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 12:03 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:04 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 08:19 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 03:01 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  There will be more than a few.

Ever heard of Oath Keepers?

A good question would be who will any president get to enforce such a proclamation? My bet almost no law enforcement would carry out such infringement of the rights of Americans.

The Federal Government managed to overcome Klan dominance of Southern law enforcement agencies. And there were plenty of racists in the armed forces at the time too. This will be little different.

But the klan was acting outside the authority of the Constitution.

As will anyone hindering enforcement of President Castro's national emergency degrees on guns.

Sorry... please clarify. I'm not quite sure of what you're saying. Am I supposed to substitute the name Castro for some Dem? Are you talking about gun confiscation?
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(01-11-2019 03:12 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 01:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:58 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 09:38 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 09:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  But they can't vote in any national (or fairly certain any state-wide) election, so would it matter what type of voter they are?

AND once upon a time convicted felons couldn't vote either....we'll see how that works out in florida....

See... you get the concept of "baby-steps". I wonder why others don't.

Yeah...so? Convicted felons are still American citizens. 01-wingedeagle

Besides:
Quote:- In Maine and Vermont, felons never lose their right to vote, even while they are incarcerated.

- In 14 states and the District of Columbia, felons lose their voting rights only while incarcerated, and receive automatic restoration upon release.

- In 22 states, felons lose their voting rights during incarceration, and for a period of time after, typically while on parole and/or probation. Voting rights are automatically restored after this time period. Former felons may also have to pay any outstanding fines, fees or restitution before their rights are restored as well.

- In 12 states felons lose their voting rights indefinitely for some crimes, or require a governor’s pardon in order for voting rights to be restored, or face an additional waiting period after completion of sentence (including parole and probation) before voting rights can be restored.
http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-a...ights.aspx

Go fearmonger somewhere else.

So you are for violent felons getting their guns back? They are still citizens so how about it?

Dude, who the eff said anything about guns? Are all trump supporters this dense? 04-chairshot
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(01-11-2019 03:06 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 12:07 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 12:03 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:04 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 08:19 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  A good question would be who will any president get to enforce such a proclamation? My bet almost no law enforcement would carry out such infringement of the rights of Americans.

The Federal Government managed to overcome Klan dominance of Southern law enforcement agencies. And there were plenty of racists in the armed forces at the time too. This will be little different.

But the klan was acting outside the authority of the Constitution.

As will anyone hindering enforcement of President Castro's national emergency degrees on guns.

Will that be his campaign slogan? “Make America gun free!” Please bring it on. Trump won’t even have to campaign for 202003-lmfao

What? Fidel Castro will be running for president? Might as well they have the same agenda, power to the government and to heck with the people...or the Constitution.
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At some point, if the left gets their way, they are going to have to order the military to turn on American citizens. When we reach that day, will the military turn on its citizens or against those political leaders? I think that may become the defining question for our republic some time in the next few decades. I think that's why Obama's defense department went so far to promote officers who bought into the leftist mantra.
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(01-11-2019 12:14 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 12:07 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 12:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:06 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:02 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Again, if a terrorist group wants to try and ignore the American government, they're free to attempt to do so. But understand this, the MAJORITY in this country has no patience for right wingers who wish to use firearms to bully them.
If its legal for Trump to declare an emergency over the wall, it will be just as legal for President Sharrod Brown to do so on guns. And it will be treason for you to openly advocate for armed resistence to that legal order.

How sad is it that this is where our debate has gotten.

I don't want presidents declaring emergencies to do anything but respond to (very few) legitimate emergencies

Then Trump has to lose on the wall. Or a full path to citizenship DREAM act has to be enacted into law in trade, along with full oversight of the border patrol and ICE and concessions on immigration judges/due process for asylum seekers, an end to any barrier to applying for it on US soil, etc in return for 5 Billion for his stupid wall.

What powers Trump picks up, whatever norms he decides to violate...the Dems may decide to use. And if you support Trump (by not supporting the Dems) when he does that, you really can't complain.

Iowa Caucuses are in 54 weeks guys.

Which means non-stop articles about how the Dem candidate is leading in the head-to-head polls.

Don't need polls this time.

You guys need to figure out where to come up with 70 million votes. We know where ours are coming from.

Certainly, we'll post them so you can watch the end of white nationalism for 50 years in motion. Enjoy your Rassmussen Poll.

Said the same thing in 2016. The word "landslide" was thrown around...a lot. Ba-ha-ha-ha-ha
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(01-11-2019 10:09 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  At some point, if the left gets their way, they are going to have to order the military to turn on American citizens. When we reach that day, will the military turn on its citizens or against those political leaders? I think that may become the defining question for our republic some time in the next few decades. I think that's why Obama's defense department went so far to promote officers who bought into the leftist mantra.

And that's why I'm glad Oath Keepers exists.
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(01-11-2019 10:03 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 03:06 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 12:07 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 12:03 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 11:04 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The Federal Government managed to overcome Klan dominance of Southern law enforcement agencies. And there were plenty of racists in the armed forces at the time too. This will be little different.

But the klan was acting outside the authority of the Constitution.

As will anyone hindering enforcement of President Castro's national emergency degrees on guns.

Will that be his campaign slogan? “Make America gun free!” Please bring it on. Trump won’t even have to campaign for 202003-lmfao

What? Fidel Castro will be running for president? Might as well they have the same agenda, power to the government and to heck with the people...or the Constitution.

No, he's talking about someone to the left of Fidel.
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-11-2019 10:09 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  At some point, if the left gets their way, they are going to have to order the military to turn on American citizens. When we reach that day, will the military turn on its citizens or against those political leaders? I think that may become the defining question for our republic some time in the next few decades. I think that's why Obama's defense department went so far to promote officers who bought into the leftist mantra.

The left? Long before that, I see the military being turned on Americans citizens to take their land if trump gets his way with this wall boondoggle.
01-14-2019 09:54 AM
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-12-2019 06:34 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 10:03 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 03:06 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 12:07 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-11-2019 12:03 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  But the klan was acting outside the authority of the Constitution.

As will anyone hindering enforcement of President Castro's national emergency degrees on guns.

Will that be his campaign slogan? “Make America gun free!” Please bring it on. Trump won’t even have to campaign for 202003-lmfao


What? Fidel Castro will be running for president? Might as well they have the same agenda, power to the government and to heck with the people...or the Constitution.

No, he's talking about someone to the left of Fidel.

Hilary? AOC? Kamala?
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