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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-10-2019 09:17 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: (01-10-2019 12:52 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote: and just what do the liberals think they'll do in a national crisis on gun control? confiscate? good luck
Looks like this could be what a gun national emergency could look like:
Ban the sale, transfer, or gifting of any firearm until a national registry of every firearm in the country can be established
Ban any and all open or concealed carry by any person not on duty as a licensed police officer while the emergency is going on
Seize all records of every gun dealer and gun range in the country
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Sure, there would be a few Cliven Bundy's. Not that hard to deal with them. Start an insurrection and they'll fare no differently than others that have tried.
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The President has been given extraordinary powers with the understanding that they will not be used to enact that which they cannot do without the support of the government or only in extreme cases. The border issue doesn't rise to that level. But hey, if you guys want to expand Presidential power....go ahead. But don't cry when the Dems take that power and enact gun control right after the first mass shooting of a Dem Administration.
There will be more than a few.
Ever heard of Oath Keepers?
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-11-2019 03:01 AM)umbluegray Wrote: (01-10-2019 09:17 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: (01-10-2019 12:52 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote: and just what do the liberals think they'll do in a national crisis on gun control? confiscate? good luck
Looks like this could be what a gun national emergency could look like:
Ban the sale, transfer, or gifting of any firearm until a national registry of every firearm in the country can be established
Ban any and all open or concealed carry by any person not on duty as a licensed police officer while the emergency is going on
Seize all records of every gun dealer and gun range in the country
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Sure, there would be a few Cliven Bundy's. Not that hard to deal with them. Start an insurrection and they'll fare no differently than others that have tried.
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The President has been given extraordinary powers with the understanding that they will not be used to enact that which they cannot do without the support of the government or only in extreme cases. The border issue doesn't rise to that level. But hey, if you guys want to expand Presidential power....go ahead. But don't cry when the Dems take that power and enact gun control right after the first mass shooting of a Dem Administration.
There will be more than a few.
Ever heard of Oath Keepers?
Like arbitrarily giving the Iranians cash money on crates in the middle of the night and hundreds of millions of dollars. Pretty sure that was done without congressional approval. This is getting old.
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-11-2019 03:01 AM)umbluegray Wrote: (01-10-2019 09:17 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: (01-10-2019 12:52 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote: and just what do the liberals think they'll do in a national crisis on gun control? confiscate? good luck
Looks like this could be what a gun national emergency could look like:
Ban the sale, transfer, or gifting of any firearm until a national registry of every firearm in the country can be established
Ban any and all open or concealed carry by any person not on duty as a licensed police officer while the emergency is going on
Seize all records of every gun dealer and gun range in the country
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Sure, there would be a few Cliven Bundy's. Not that hard to deal with them. Start an insurrection and they'll fare no differently than others that have tried.
----
The President has been given extraordinary powers with the understanding that they will not be used to enact that which they cannot do without the support of the government or only in extreme cases. The border issue doesn't rise to that level. But hey, if you guys want to expand Presidential power....go ahead. But don't cry when the Dems take that power and enact gun control right after the first mass shooting of a Dem Administration.
There will be more than a few.
Ever heard of Oath Keepers?
A good question would be who will any president get to enforce such a proclamation? My bet almost no law enforcement would carry out such infringement of the rights of Americans.
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-10-2019 09:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: (01-10-2019 01:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-10-2019 01:32 PM)umbluegray Wrote: (01-10-2019 10:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-09-2019 05:10 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: I think both sides are totally f-ed up.
It's not a wall that we need, it's a reasonable and logical comprehensive immigration policy. The wall without such a policy is worthless. Such a policy without the wall is workable.
Problem is that the democrats see a wave of immigrant instant citizens as instant democrat voters. And so do republicans.
On what planet is this happening or EVER going to happen?
Uh, California, for starters.
Baby steps...
Non-citizens legally register to vote in San Francisco school elections
And there's an effort to remove "are you a citizen" from the census.
Lawmaker aims to get citizenship question removed from U.S. census
Still does not make them citizens, much less instant ones.
But does make them instant (presumably democrat) voters, which is all democrats care about.
But they can't vote in any national (or fairly certain any state-wide) election, so why would it matter what type of voter they are?
(This post was last modified: 01-11-2019 10:12 AM by Redwingtom.)
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-11-2019 09:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-10-2019 09:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: (01-10-2019 01:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-10-2019 01:32 PM)umbluegray Wrote: (01-10-2019 10:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: On what planet is this happening or EVER going to happen?
Uh, California, for starters.
Baby steps...
Non-citizens legally register to vote in San Francisco school elections
And there's an effort to remove "are you a citizen" from the census.
Lawmaker aims to get citizenship question removed from U.S. census
Still does not make them citizens, much less instant ones.
But does make them instant (presumably democrat) voters, which is all democrats care about.
But they can't vote in any national (or fairly certain any state-wide) election, so would it matter what type of voter they are?
AND once upon a time convicted felons couldn't vote either....we'll see how that works out in florida....
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-11-2019 09:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-10-2019 09:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: (01-10-2019 01:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-10-2019 01:32 PM)umbluegray Wrote: (01-10-2019 10:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: On what planet is this happening or EVER going to happen?
Uh, California, for starters.
Baby steps...
Non-citizens legally register to vote in San Francisco school elections
And there's an effort to remove "are you a citizen" from the census.
Lawmaker aims to get citizenship question removed from U.S. census
Still does not make them citizens, much less instant ones.
But does make them instant (presumably democrat) voters, which is all democrats care about.
But they can't vote in any national (or fairly certain any state-wide) election, so would it matter what type of voter they are?
Which is what the Dreamer program is all about. Nit to mention several municipalities have in fact suggested allowing them to vote in elections.
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-11-2019 09:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-10-2019 09:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: (01-10-2019 01:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-10-2019 01:32 PM)umbluegray Wrote: (01-10-2019 10:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: On what planet is this happening or EVER going to happen?
Uh, California, for starters.
Baby steps...
Non-citizens legally register to vote in San Francisco school elections
And there's an effort to remove "are you a citizen" from the census.
Lawmaker aims to get citizenship question removed from U.S. census
Still does not make them citizens, much less instant ones.
But does make them instant (presumably democrat) voters, which is all democrats care about.
But they can't vote in any national (or fairly certain any state-wide) election, so would it matter what type of voter they are?
And you would trust the people that they vote for in local elections to put processes and procedures in place to ensure that they didn't vote in national or state-wide elections? How about if they just let them vote in state-wide elections, what do you think are the chances that the people they elect at the state level would ensure that they didn't vote in national elections? And then we get rid if the electoral college, and all of a sudden illegals in LA County are electing our president.
Or I guess you don't trust them, you'd just be happy with the result.
It's a slippery slope argument, for sure. But the slope is real--and slippery.
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-11-2019 10:00 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: (01-11-2019 09:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-10-2019 09:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: (01-10-2019 01:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-10-2019 01:32 PM)umbluegray Wrote: Uh, California, for starters.
Baby steps...
Non-citizens legally register to vote in San Francisco school elections
And there's an effort to remove "are you a citizen" from the census.
Lawmaker aims to get citizenship question removed from U.S. census
Still does not make them citizens, much less instant ones.
But does make them instant (presumably democrat) voters, which is all democrats care about.
But they can't vote in any national (or fairly certain any state-wide) election, so would it matter what type of voter they are?
And you would trust the people that they vote for in local elections to put processes and procedures in place to ensure that they didn't vote in national or state-wide elections? How about if they just let them vote in state-wide elections, what do you think are the chances that the people they elect at the state level would ensure that they didn't vote in national elections? And then we get rid if the electoral college, and all of a sudden illegals in LA County are electing our president.
Or I guess you don't trust them, you'd just be happy with the result.
It's a slippery slope argument, for sure. But the slope is real--and slippery.
No, is fanciful, at best.
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-11-2019 10:13 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-11-2019 10:00 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: (01-11-2019 09:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-10-2019 09:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: (01-10-2019 01:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Still does not make them citizens, much less instant ones.
But does make them instant (presumably democrat) voters, which is all democrats care about.
But they can't vote in any national (or fairly certain any state-wide) election, so would it matter what type of voter they are?
And you would trust the people that they vote for in local elections to put processes and procedures in place to ensure that they didn't vote in national or state-wide elections? How about if they just let them vote in state-wide elections, what do you think are the chances that the people they elect at the state level would ensure that they didn't vote in national elections? And then we get rid if the electoral college, and all of a sudden illegals in LA County are electing our president.
Or I guess you don't trust them, you'd just be happy with the result.
It's a slippery slope argument, for sure. But the slope is real--and slippery.
No, is fanciful, at best.
No, it is exactly what you and your team want to happen.
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-11-2019 03:01 AM)umbluegray Wrote: (01-10-2019 09:17 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: (01-10-2019 12:52 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote: and just what do the liberals think they'll do in a national crisis on gun control? confiscate? good luck
Looks like this could be what a gun national emergency could look like:
Ban the sale, transfer, or gifting of any firearm until a national registry of every firearm in the country can be established
Ban any and all open or concealed carry by any person not on duty as a licensed police officer while the emergency is going on
Seize all records of every gun dealer and gun range in the country
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Sure, there would be a few Cliven Bundy's. Not that hard to deal with them. Start an insurrection and they'll fare no differently than others that have tried.
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The President has been given extraordinary powers with the understanding that they will not be used to enact that which they cannot do without the support of the government or only in extreme cases. The border issue doesn't rise to that level. But hey, if you guys want to expand Presidential power....go ahead. But don't cry when the Dems take that power and enact gun control right after the first mass shooting of a Dem Administration.
There will be more than a few.
Ever heard of Oath Keepers?
Again, if a terrorist group wants to try and ignore the American government, they're free to attempt to do so. But understand this, the MAJORITY in this country has no patience for right wingers who wish to use firearms to bully them.
If its legal for Trump to declare an emergency over the wall, it will be just as legal for President Sharrod Brown to do so on guns. And it will be treason for you to openly advocate for armed resistence to that legal order.
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-11-2019 08:19 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote: (01-11-2019 03:01 AM)umbluegray Wrote: (01-10-2019 09:17 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: (01-10-2019 12:52 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote: and just what do the liberals think they'll do in a national crisis on gun control? confiscate? good luck
Looks like this could be what a gun national emergency could look like:
Ban the sale, transfer, or gifting of any firearm until a national registry of every firearm in the country can be established
Ban any and all open or concealed carry by any person not on duty as a licensed police officer while the emergency is going on
Seize all records of every gun dealer and gun range in the country
----
Sure, there would be a few Cliven Bundy's. Not that hard to deal with them. Start an insurrection and they'll fare no differently than others that have tried.
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The President has been given extraordinary powers with the understanding that they will not be used to enact that which they cannot do without the support of the government or only in extreme cases. The border issue doesn't rise to that level. But hey, if you guys want to expand Presidential power....go ahead. But don't cry when the Dems take that power and enact gun control right after the first mass shooting of a Dem Administration.
There will be more than a few.
Ever heard of Oath Keepers?
A good question would be who will any president get to enforce such a proclamation? My bet almost no law enforcement would carry out such infringement of the rights of Americans.
The Federal Government managed to overcome Klan dominance of Southern law enforcement agencies. And there were plenty of racists in the armed forces at the time too. This will be little different.
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-11-2019 11:02 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: (01-11-2019 03:01 AM)umbluegray Wrote: (01-10-2019 09:17 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: (01-10-2019 12:52 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote: and just what do the liberals think they'll do in a national crisis on gun control? confiscate? good luck
Looks like this could be what a gun national emergency could look like:
Ban the sale, transfer, or gifting of any firearm until a national registry of every firearm in the country can be established
Ban any and all open or concealed carry by any person not on duty as a licensed police officer while the emergency is going on
Seize all records of every gun dealer and gun range in the country
----
Sure, there would be a few Cliven Bundy's. Not that hard to deal with them. Start an insurrection and they'll fare no differently than others that have tried.
----
The President has been given extraordinary powers with the understanding that they will not be used to enact that which they cannot do without the support of the government or only in extreme cases. The border issue doesn't rise to that level. But hey, if you guys want to expand Presidential power....go ahead. But don't cry when the Dems take that power and enact gun control right after the first mass shooting of a Dem Administration.
There will be more than a few.
Ever heard of Oath Keepers?
Again, if a terrorist group wants to try and ignore the American government, they're free to attempt to do so. But understand this, the MAJORITY in this country has no patience for right wingers who wish to use firearms to bully them.
If its legal for Trump to declare an emergency over the wall, it will be just as legal for President Sharrod Brown to do so on guns. And it will be treason for you to openly advocate for armed resistence to that legal order.
The problem with that illogic is you expect gun owners to enforce something so stupid, because the absolute majority of the military and police in this country are proud gun owners. And guess who won't adhere to that policy. Criminals with illegal guns that are committed the large majority of gun crimes anyway.
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-11-2019 11:02 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: Again, if a terrorist group wants to try and ignore the American government, they're free to attempt to do so. But understand this, the MAJORITY in this country has no patience for right wingers who wish to use firearms to bully them.
If its legal for Trump to declare an emergency over the wall, it will be just as legal for President Sharrod Brown to do so on guns. And it will be treason for you to openly advocate for armed resistence to that legal order.
How sad is it that this is where our debate has gotten.
I don't want presidents declaring emergencies to do anything but respond to (very few) legitimate emergencies
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-11-2019 11:02 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: (01-11-2019 03:01 AM)umbluegray Wrote: (01-10-2019 09:17 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: (01-10-2019 12:52 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote: and just what do the liberals think they'll do in a national crisis on gun control? confiscate? good luck
Looks like this could be what a gun national emergency could look like:
Ban the sale, transfer, or gifting of any firearm until a national registry of every firearm in the country can be established
Ban any and all open or concealed carry by any person not on duty as a licensed police officer while the emergency is going on
Seize all records of every gun dealer and gun range in the country
----
Sure, there would be a few Cliven Bundy's. Not that hard to deal with them. Start an insurrection and they'll fare no differently than others that have tried.
----
The President has been given extraordinary powers with the understanding that they will not be used to enact that which they cannot do without the support of the government or only in extreme cases. The border issue doesn't rise to that level. But hey, if you guys want to expand Presidential power....go ahead. But don't cry when the Dems take that power and enact gun control right after the first mass shooting of a Dem Administration.
There will be more than a few.
Ever heard of Oath Keepers?
Again, if a terrorist group wants to try and ignore the American government, they're free to attempt to do so. But understand this, the MAJORITY in this country has no patience for right wingers who wish to use firearms to bully them.
If its legal for Trump to declare an emergency over the wall, it will be just as legal for President Sharrod Brown to do so on guns. And it will be treason for you to openly advocate for armed resistence to that legal order.
The MAJORITY in the country has no patience for left wingers who want to use the IRS, CIA, FBI, EPA and mobs to bully them.
There is no right for foreigners to come into this country. There is a constitutional right to keep and bear arms. Should a leftist president try to declare a national emergency to gather guns, it would be a violation of his oath of office and sedition. And it would be a crime for the military and police to try to enforce that. Armed resistance would be patriotic.
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(01-11-2019 11:06 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: (01-11-2019 11:02 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: Again, if a terrorist group wants to try and ignore the American government, they're free to attempt to do so. But understand this, the MAJORITY in this country has no patience for right wingers who wish to use firearms to bully them.
If its legal for Trump to declare an emergency over the wall, it will be just as legal for President Sharrod Brown to do so on guns. And it will be treason for you to openly advocate for armed resistence to that legal order.
How sad is it that this is where our debate has gotten.
I don't want presidents declaring emergencies to do anything but respond to (very few) legitimate emergencies
I think Trump should just wait the Democrats out. Its clear what he wants. The Democrats have yet to make their counter-offer.
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-11-2019 09:38 AM)stinkfist Wrote: (01-11-2019 09:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-10-2019 09:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: (01-10-2019 01:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-10-2019 01:32 PM)umbluegray Wrote: Uh, California, for starters.
Baby steps...
Non-citizens legally register to vote in San Francisco school elections
And there's an effort to remove "are you a citizen" from the census.
Lawmaker aims to get citizenship question removed from U.S. census
Still does not make them citizens, much less instant ones.
But does make them instant (presumably democrat) voters, which is all democrats care about.
But they can't vote in any national (or fairly certain any state-wide) election, so would it matter what type of voter they are?
AND once upon a time convicted felons couldn't vote either....we'll see how that works out in florida....
See... you get the concept of "baby-steps". I wonder why others don't.
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-11-2019 10:13 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-11-2019 10:00 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: (01-11-2019 09:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (01-10-2019 09:06 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: (01-10-2019 01:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Still does not make them citizens, much less instant ones.
But does make them instant (presumably democrat) voters, which is all democrats care about.
But they can't vote in any national (or fairly certain any state-wide) election, so would it matter what type of voter they are?
And you would trust the people that they vote for in local elections to put processes and procedures in place to ensure that they didn't vote in national or state-wide elections? How about if they just let them vote in state-wide elections, what do you think are the chances that the people they elect at the state level would ensure that they didn't vote in national elections? And then we get rid if the electoral college, and all of a sudden illegals in LA County are electing our president.
Or I guess you don't trust them, you'd just be happy with the result.
It's a slippery slope argument, for sure. But the slope is real--and slippery.
No, is fanciful, at best.
Yep. Keep telling yourself that.
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-11-2019 11:02 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: (01-11-2019 03:01 AM)umbluegray Wrote: (01-10-2019 09:17 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: (01-10-2019 12:52 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote: and just what do the liberals think they'll do in a national crisis on gun control? confiscate? good luck
Looks like this could be what a gun national emergency could look like:
Ban the sale, transfer, or gifting of any firearm until a national registry of every firearm in the country can be established
Ban any and all open or concealed carry by any person not on duty as a licensed police officer while the emergency is going on
Seize all records of every gun dealer and gun range in the country
----
Sure, there would be a few Cliven Bundy's. Not that hard to deal with them. Start an insurrection and they'll fare no differently than others that have tried.
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The President has been given extraordinary powers with the understanding that they will not be used to enact that which they cannot do without the support of the government or only in extreme cases. The border issue doesn't rise to that level. But hey, if you guys want to expand Presidential power....go ahead. But don't cry when the Dems take that power and enact gun control right after the first mass shooting of a Dem Administration.
There will be more than a few.
Ever heard of Oath Keepers?
Again, if a terrorist group wants to try and ignore the American government, they're free to attempt to do so. But understand this, the MAJORITY in this country has no patience for right wingers who wish to use firearms to bully them.
If its legal for Trump to declare an emergency over the wall, it will be just as legal for President Sharrod Brown to do so on guns. And it will be treason for you to openly advocate for armed resistence to that legal order.
The "American government" is bound by the Constitution. If the people who are in positions of leadership begin to act not only outside the authority of the Constitution but in direct opposition to it, then true Patriots will "keep their oath" to the Constitution.
You have a warped view of who the "terrorist" is in that scenario.
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-11-2019 11:04 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: (01-11-2019 08:19 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote: (01-11-2019 03:01 AM)umbluegray Wrote: (01-10-2019 09:17 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: (01-10-2019 12:52 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote: and just what do the liberals think they'll do in a national crisis on gun control? confiscate? good luck
Looks like this could be what a gun national emergency could look like:
Ban the sale, transfer, or gifting of any firearm until a national registry of every firearm in the country can be established
Ban any and all open or concealed carry by any person not on duty as a licensed police officer while the emergency is going on
Seize all records of every gun dealer and gun range in the country
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Sure, there would be a few Cliven Bundy's. Not that hard to deal with them. Start an insurrection and they'll fare no differently than others that have tried.
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The President has been given extraordinary powers with the understanding that they will not be used to enact that which they cannot do without the support of the government or only in extreme cases. The border issue doesn't rise to that level. But hey, if you guys want to expand Presidential power....go ahead. But don't cry when the Dems take that power and enact gun control right after the first mass shooting of a Dem Administration.
There will be more than a few.
Ever heard of Oath Keepers?
A good question would be who will any president get to enforce such a proclamation? My bet almost no law enforcement would carry out such infringement of the rights of Americans.
The Federal Government managed to overcome Klan dominance of Southern law enforcement agencies. And there were plenty of racists in the armed forces at the time too. This will be little different.
Yeah, thanks to Republicans who shut down those Democrats.
But the klan was acting outside the authority of the Constitution.
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Tom in Lazybrook
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-11-2019 11:06 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: (01-11-2019 11:02 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: Again, if a terrorist group wants to try and ignore the American government, they're free to attempt to do so. But understand this, the MAJORITY in this country has no patience for right wingers who wish to use firearms to bully them.
If its legal for Trump to declare an emergency over the wall, it will be just as legal for President Sharrod Brown to do so on guns. And it will be treason for you to openly advocate for armed resistence to that legal order.
How sad is it that this is where our debate has gotten.
I don't want presidents declaring emergencies to do anything but respond to (very few) legitimate emergencies
Then Trump has to lose on the wall. Or a full path to citizenship DREAM act has to be enacted into law in trade, along with full oversight of the border patrol and ICE and concessions on immigration judges/due process for asylum seekers, an end to any barrier to applying for it on US soil, etc in return for 5 Billion for his stupid wall.
What powers Trump picks up, whatever norms he decides to violate...the Dems may decide to use. And if you support Trump (by not supporting the Dems) when he does that, you really can't complain.
Iowa Caucuses are in 54 weeks guys.
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