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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-10-2019 11:33 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 04:32 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 04:28 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  breaking news: government reopens after DJT declares a national emergency to fund border package.... ;0

I have a feeling he's about finished with all this dickin' around bs.....

My only fear of that would be as you guys say on this forum, that would change the rules. If the president can declare a national emergency to get around Congress would that open the door to future abuse of it?

Y'all just gonna love the National Emergency on the Environment and Gun Control.

Again, y'all keep building up the Presidency. Cause then what happens when you lose it.

Do you even know what the Constitution is bro?
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-10-2019 11:37 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:33 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 04:32 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 04:28 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  breaking news: government reopens after DJT declares a national emergency to fund border package.... ;0

I have a feeling he's about finished with all this dickin' around bs.....

My only fear of that would be as you guys say on this forum, that would change the rules. If the president can declare a national emergency to get around Congress would that open the door to future abuse of it?

Y'all just gonna love the National Emergency on the Environment and Gun Control.

Again, y'all keep building up the Presidency. Cause then what happens when you lose it.

Do you even know what the Constitution is bro?

Yep. And the same constitution and precedent you apply to the border will apply to gun control and the environment.

If its' constitutional for Trump to treat the declining violence at the border as a national emergency abrogating the separation of powers clause in the US constitution, its pretty damn clear that those same emergency powers can be applied to the environment and to guns.

Guys, the 2020 election cycle has already begun. You sure you want to heap a huge pile of new and unchecked powers onto the Presidency. That's a bold gamble guys, especially after the Dems won swing states like WI, MI, and PA by massive margins in the midterms.
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(01-10-2019 11:33 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Y'all just gonna love the National Emergency on the Environment and Gun Control.

Again, y'all keep building up the Presidency. Cause then what happens when you lose it.

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(01-10-2019 11:43 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:33 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Y'all just gonna love the National Emergency on the Environment and Gun Control.

Again, y'all keep building up the Presidency. Cause then what happens when you lose it.

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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-10-2019 10:51 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 10:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 05:10 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think both sides are totally f-ed up.
It's not a wall that we need, it's a reasonable and logical comprehensive immigration policy. The wall without such a policy is worthless. Such a policy without the wall is workable.
Problem is that the democrats see a wave of immigrant instant citizens as instant democrat voters. And so do republicans.
On what planet is this happening or EVER going to happen? 01-wingedeagle

One with democrats in charge.

In charge of what, your fantasy land? 01-wingedeagle
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-10-2019 11:47 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 10:51 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 10:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 05:10 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think both sides are totally f-ed up.
It's not a wall that we need, it's a reasonable and logical comprehensive immigration policy. The wall without such a policy is worthless. Such a policy without the wall is workable.
Problem is that the democrats see a wave of immigrant instant citizens as instant democrat voters. And so do republicans.
On what planet is this happening or EVER going to happen? 01-wingedeagle

One with democrats in charge.

In charge of what, your fantasy land? 01-wingedeagle

naw man....that would be those dems that now are embracing their new poster child's
new green socialist platform....
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-10-2019 11:47 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 10:51 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 10:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 05:10 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think both sides are totally f-ed up.
It's not a wall that we need, it's a reasonable and logical comprehensive immigration policy. The wall without such a policy is worthless. Such a policy without the wall is workable.
Problem is that the democrats see a wave of immigrant instant citizens as instant democrat voters. And so do republicans.
On what planet is this happening or EVER going to happen? 01-wingedeagle

One with democrats in charge.

In charge of what, your fantasy land? 01-wingedeagle

Is fantasy land a place where a person pees their pants over a fake news NYT's article that said Manafort was working with the Kremlin?

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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-10-2019 11:47 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 10:51 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 10:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 05:10 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think both sides are totally f-ed up.
It's not a wall that we need, it's a reasonable and logical comprehensive immigration policy. The wall without such a policy is worthless. Such a policy without the wall is workable.
Problem is that the democrats see a wave of immigrant instant citizens as instant democrat voters. And so do republicans.
On what planet is this happening or EVER going to happen? 01-wingedeagle

One with democrats in charge.

In charge of what, your fantasy land? 01-wingedeagle

I wonder if any of the Trumpers have seen the abysmally low voter participation rates of Mexican Americans?

It takes at LEAST 7 years for legal residents to become citizens, and for many, it usually takes much longer, because people generally don't start the citizenship process the second they gain legal status.

For the Dreamers, they will have to wait 7 years as well. But there's no compromise that excludes citizenship for them.
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-10-2019 11:41 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:37 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:33 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 04:32 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 04:28 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  breaking news: government reopens after DJT declares a national emergency to fund border package.... ;0

I have a feeling he's about finished with all this dickin' around bs.....

My only fear of that would be as you guys say on this forum, that would change the rules. If the president can declare a national emergency to get around Congress would that open the door to future abuse of it?

Y'all just gonna love the National Emergency on the Environment and Gun Control.

Again, y'all keep building up the Presidency. Cause then what happens when you lose it.

Do you even know what the Constitution is bro?

Yep. And the same constitution and precedent you apply to the border will apply to gun control and the environment.

If its' constitutional for Trump to treat the declining violence at the border as a national emergency abrogating the separation of powers clause in the US constitution, its pretty damn clear that those same emergency powers can be applied to the environment and to guns.

Guys, the 2020 election cycle has already begun. You sure you want to heap a huge pile of new and unchecked powers onto the Presidency. That's a bold gamble guys, especially after the Dems won swing states like WI, MI, and PA by massive margins in the midterms.

Wrong again bro. A continued influx of illegals crossing the border adding to the 8-20 million already here absolutely constitute a national emergency. Gun violence does not.
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(01-10-2019 11:55 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:41 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:37 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:33 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 04:32 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  My only fear of that would be as you guys say on this forum, that would change the rules. If the president can declare a national emergency to get around Congress would that open the door to future abuse of it?

Y'all just gonna love the National Emergency on the Environment and Gun Control.

Again, y'all keep building up the Presidency. Cause then what happens when you lose it.

Do you even know what the Constitution is bro?

Yep. And the same constitution and precedent you apply to the border will apply to gun control and the environment.

If its' constitutional for Trump to treat the declining violence at the border as a national emergency abrogating the separation of powers clause in the US constitution, its pretty damn clear that those same emergency powers can be applied to the environment and to guns.

Guys, the 2020 election cycle has already begun. You sure you want to heap a huge pile of new and unchecked powers onto the Presidency. That's a bold gamble guys, especially after the Dems won swing states like WI, MI, and PA by massive margins in the midterms.

Wrong again bro. A continued influx of illegals crossing the border adding to the 8-20 million already here absolutely constitute a national emergency. Gun violence does not.

You are free to opine that. I'd just remind you that our Bill of Rights, which Trump wishes to abrogate, and our Separation of Powers clauses, which Trump wishes to abrogate....are just as much a part of the Constitution as the 2nd Amendment....and I think that the issue of gun violence and especially the environment are much more deadly.
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-10-2019 11:55 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:41 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:37 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:33 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 04:32 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  My only fear of that would be as you guys say on this forum, that would change the rules. If the president can declare a national emergency to get around Congress would that open the door to future abuse of it?

Y'all just gonna love the National Emergency on the Environment and Gun Control.

Again, y'all keep building up the Presidency. Cause then what happens when you lose it.

Do you even know what the Constitution is bro?

Yep. And the same constitution and precedent you apply to the border will apply to gun control and the environment.

If its' constitutional for Trump to treat the declining violence at the border as a national emergency abrogating the separation of powers clause in the US constitution, its pretty damn clear that those same emergency powers can be applied to the environment and to guns.

Guys, the 2020 election cycle has already begun. You sure you want to heap a huge pile of new and unchecked powers onto the Presidency. That's a bold gamble guys, especially after the Dems won swing states like WI, MI, and PA by massive margins in the midterms.

Wrong again bro. A continued influx of illegals crossing the border adding to the 8-20 million already here absolutely constitute a national emergency. Gun violence does not.

Problem is that the definition of an emergency is not defined under the National Emergencies Act is not defined and an emergency is determined at the discretion of the president. So to state one case is and another case isn't has no real meaning.
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(01-10-2019 12:02 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:55 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:41 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:37 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:33 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Y'all just gonna love the National Emergency on the Environment and Gun Control.

Again, y'all keep building up the Presidency. Cause then what happens when you lose it.

Do you even know what the Constitution is bro?

Yep. And the same constitution and precedent you apply to the border will apply to gun control and the environment.

If its' constitutional for Trump to treat the declining violence at the border as a national emergency abrogating the separation of powers clause in the US constitution, its pretty damn clear that those same emergency powers can be applied to the environment and to guns.

Guys, the 2020 election cycle has already begun. You sure you want to heap a huge pile of new and unchecked powers onto the Presidency. That's a bold gamble guys, especially after the Dems won swing states like WI, MI, and PA by massive margins in the midterms.

Wrong again bro. A continued influx of illegals crossing the border adding to the 8-20 million already here absolutely constitute a national emergency. Gun violence does not.

You are free to opine that. I'd just remind you that our Bill of Rights, which Trump wishes to abrogate, and our Separation of Powers clauses, which Trump wishes to abrogate....are just as much a part of the Constitution as the 2nd Amendment....and I think that the issue of gun violence and especially the environment are much more deadly.

The Democrats are the only ones ignoring the Bill of Rights. Obama tried his best to abrogate the Separation of Powers. Trump may be looking to spend money w/o Congressional authorization, but it seems like he prefers another way.
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-10-2019 12:02 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:55 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:41 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:37 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:33 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Y'all just gonna love the National Emergency on the Environment and Gun Control.

Again, y'all keep building up the Presidency. Cause then what happens when you lose it.

Do you even know what the Constitution is bro?

Yep. And the same constitution and precedent you apply to the border will apply to gun control and the environment.

If its' constitutional for Trump to treat the declining violence at the border as a national emergency abrogating the separation of powers clause in the US constitution, its pretty damn clear that those same emergency powers can be applied to the environment and to guns.

Guys, the 2020 election cycle has already begun. You sure you want to heap a huge pile of new and unchecked powers onto the Presidency. That's a bold gamble guys, especially after the Dems won swing states like WI, MI, and PA by massive margins in the midterms.

Wrong again bro. A continued influx of illegals crossing the border adding to the 8-20 million already here absolutely constitute a national emergency. Gun violence does not.

You are free to opine that. I'd just remind you that our Bill of Rights, which Trump wishes to abrogate, and our Separation of Powers clauses, which Trump wishes to abrogate....are just as much a part of the Constitution as the 2nd Amendment....and I think that the issue of gun violence and especially the environment are much more deadly.

Do you not understand DEMOCRATS passed the bill authorizing the president to do this? So it’s actually the democrats fault if he does it.
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(01-10-2019 12:05 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 12:02 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:55 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:41 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:37 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Do you even know what the Constitution is bro?

Yep. And the same constitution and precedent you apply to the border will apply to gun control and the environment.

If its' constitutional for Trump to treat the declining violence at the border as a national emergency abrogating the separation of powers clause in the US constitution, its pretty damn clear that those same emergency powers can be applied to the environment and to guns.

Guys, the 2020 election cycle has already begun. You sure you want to heap a huge pile of new and unchecked powers onto the Presidency. That's a bold gamble guys, especially after the Dems won swing states like WI, MI, and PA by massive margins in the midterms.

Wrong again bro. A continued influx of illegals crossing the border adding to the 8-20 million already here absolutely constitute a national emergency. Gun violence does not.

You are free to opine that. I'd just remind you that our Bill of Rights, which Trump wishes to abrogate, and our Separation of Powers clauses, which Trump wishes to abrogate....are just as much a part of the Constitution as the 2nd Amendment....and I think that the issue of gun violence and especially the environment are much more deadly.

The Democrats are the only ones ignoring the Bill of Rights. Obama tried his best to abrogate the Separation of Powers. Trump may be looking to spend money w/o Congressional authorization, but it seems like he prefers another way.

Man, you're spinning like crazy.
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(01-10-2019 12:07 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 12:02 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:55 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:41 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:37 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Do you even know what the Constitution is bro?

Yep. And the same constitution and precedent you apply to the border will apply to gun control and the environment.

If its' constitutional for Trump to treat the declining violence at the border as a national emergency abrogating the separation of powers clause in the US constitution, its pretty damn clear that those same emergency powers can be applied to the environment and to guns.

Guys, the 2020 election cycle has already begun. You sure you want to heap a huge pile of new and unchecked powers onto the Presidency. That's a bold gamble guys, especially after the Dems won swing states like WI, MI, and PA by massive margins in the midterms.

Wrong again bro. A continued influx of illegals crossing the border adding to the 8-20 million already here absolutely constitute a national emergency. Gun violence does not.

You are free to opine that. I'd just remind you that our Bill of Rights, which Trump wishes to abrogate, and our Separation of Powers clauses, which Trump wishes to abrogate....are just as much a part of the Constitution as the 2nd Amendment....and I think that the issue of gun violence and especially the environment are much more deadly.

Do you not understand DEMOCRATS passed the bill authorizing the president to do this? So it’s actually the democrats fault if he does it.

The Dems incorrectly thought that the American people would never put a President in power like Trump. And if they did, that the Senate would impeach him or the Cabinet would remove him.

But.

If Trump uses those powers, expect the Dems to do the same when in power. Full stop.
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-10-2019 12:07 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 12:02 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:55 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:41 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 11:37 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Do you even know what the Constitution is bro?

Yep. And the same constitution and precedent you apply to the border will apply to gun control and the environment.

If its' constitutional for Trump to treat the declining violence at the border as a national emergency abrogating the separation of powers clause in the US constitution, its pretty damn clear that those same emergency powers can be applied to the environment and to guns.

Guys, the 2020 election cycle has already begun. You sure you want to heap a huge pile of new and unchecked powers onto the Presidency. That's a bold gamble guys, especially after the Dems won swing states like WI, MI, and PA by massive margins in the midterms.

Wrong again bro. A continued influx of illegals crossing the border adding to the 8-20 million already here absolutely constitute a national emergency. Gun violence does not.

You are free to opine that. I'd just remind you that our Bill of Rights, which Trump wishes to abrogate, and our Separation of Powers clauses, which Trump wishes to abrogate....are just as much a part of the Constitution as the 2nd Amendment....and I think that the issue of gun violence and especially the environment are much more deadly.

Do you not understand DEMOCRATS passed the bill authorizing the president to do this? So it’s actually the democrats fault if he does it.

Looks like widespread support from both parties:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/94-1975/h373
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(01-10-2019 12:11 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  [quote='SoMs Eagle' pid='15822947' dateline='1547140027']
[quote='Tom in Lazybrook' pid='15822939' dateline='1547139750']
[quote='200yrs2late' pid='15822922' dateline='1547139326']
[quote='Tom in Lazybrook' pid='15822866' dateline='1547138498']

Yep. And the same constitution and precedent you apply to the border will apply to gun control and the environment.

If its' constitutional for Trump to treat the declining violence at the border as a national emergency abrogating the separation of powers clause in the US constitution, its pretty damn clear that those same emergency powers can be applied to the environment and to guns.

Guys, the 2020 election cycle has already begun. You sure you want to heap a huge pile of new and unchecked powers onto the Presidency. That's a bold gamble guys,

If Trump uses those powers, expect the Dems to do the same when in power. Full stop.

it appears you need a refresher course...

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/42...order-wall

Quote:More than two decades later, Congress expressly gave presidents the authority to declare such emergencies and act unilaterally. The 1976 National Emergencies Act gives presidents sweeping authority as well as allowance in federal regulations to declare an “immigration emergency” to deal with an “influx of aliens which either is of such magnitude or exhibits such other characteristics that effective administration of the immigration laws of the United States is beyond the existing capabilities” of immigration authorities “in the affected area or areas.” The basis for such an invocation generally includes the “likelihood of continued growth in the magnitude of the influx,” rising criminal activity, as well as high “demands on law enforcement agencies” and “other circumstances.”

Democrats have not objected to use of this authority regularly by past presidents, including roughly 30 such emergencies that continue to this day. Other statutes afford additional emergency powers. Indeed, a report by the Congressional Research Service in 2007 stated, “Under the powers delegated by such statutes, the president may seize property, organize and control the means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, institute martial law, seize and control all transportation and communication, regulate the operation of private enterprise, restrict travel, and, in a variety of ways, control the lives of United States citizens.”
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(01-10-2019 12:13 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 12:11 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  [quote='SoMs Eagle' pid='15822947' dateline='1547140027']
[quote='Tom in Lazybrook' pid='15822939' dateline='1547139750']
[quote='200yrs2late' pid='15822922' dateline='1547139326']
[quote='Tom in Lazybrook' pid='15822866' dateline='1547138498']

Yep. And the same constitution and precedent you apply to the border will apply to gun control and the environment.

If its' constitutional for Trump to treat the declining violence at the border as a national emergency abrogating the separation of powers clause in the US constitution, its pretty damn clear that those same emergency powers can be applied to the environment and to guns.

Guys, the 2020 election cycle has already begun. You sure you want to heap a huge pile of new and unchecked powers onto the Presidency. That's a bold gamble guys,

If Trump uses those powers, expect the Dems to do the same when in power. Full stop.

it appears you need a refresher course...

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/42...order-wall

Quote:More than two decades later, Congress expressly gave presidents the authority to declare such emergencies and act unilaterally. The 1976 National Emergencies Act gives presidents sweeping authority as well as allowance in federal regulations to declare an “immigration emergency” to deal with an “influx of aliens which either is of such magnitude or exhibits such other characteristics that effective administration of the immigration laws of the United States is beyond the existing capabilities” of immigration authorities “in the affected area or areas.” The basis for such an invocation generally includes the “likelihood of continued growth in the magnitude of the influx,” rising criminal activity, as well as high “demands on law enforcement agencies” and “other circumstances.”

Democrats have not objected to use of this authority regularly by past presidents, including roughly 30 such emergencies that continue to this day. Other statutes afford additional emergency powers. Indeed, a report by the Congressional Research Service in 2007 stated, “Under the powers delegated by such statutes, the president may seize property, organize and control the means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, institute martial law, seize and control all transportation and communication, regulate the operation of private enterprise, restrict travel, and, in a variety of ways, control the lives of United States citizens.”

Again, if Trump uses it here, then don't complain when the Dems use it on guns and the environment.
01-10-2019 12:19 PM
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-10-2019 12:19 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
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Yep. And the same constitution and precedent you apply to the border will apply to gun control and the environment.

If its' constitutional for Trump to treat the declining violence at the border as a national emergency abrogating the separation of powers clause in the US constitution, its pretty damn clear that those same emergency powers can be applied to the environment and to guns.

Guys, the 2020 election cycle has already begun. You sure you want to heap a huge pile of new and unchecked powers onto the Presidency. That's a bold gamble guys,

If Trump uses those powers, expect the Dems to do the same when in power. Full stop.

it appears you need a refresher course...

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/42...order-wall

Quote:More than two decades later, Congress expressly gave presidents the authority to declare such emergencies and act unilaterally. The 1976 National Emergencies Act gives presidents sweeping authority as well as allowance in federal regulations to declare an “immigration emergency” to deal with an “influx of aliens which either is of such magnitude or exhibits such other characteristics that effective administration of the immigration laws of the United States is beyond the existing capabilities” of immigration authorities “in the affected area or areas.” The basis for such an invocation generally includes the “likelihood of continued growth in the magnitude of the influx,” rising criminal activity, as well as high “demands on law enforcement agencies” and “other circumstances.”

Democrats have not objected to use of this authority regularly by past presidents, including roughly 30 such emergencies that continue to this day. Other statutes afford additional emergency powers. Indeed, a report by the Congressional Research Service in 2007 stated, “Under the powers delegated by such statutes, the president may seize property, organize and control the means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, institute martial law, seize and control all transportation and communication, regulate the operation of private enterprise, restrict travel, and, in a variety of ways, control the lives of United States citizens.”

Again, if Trump uses it here, then don't complain when the Dems use it on guns and the environment.

lol.....wouldn't worry me a bit....both wouldn't make it through the courts

immigration is specifically spelled out.....
01-10-2019 12:24 PM
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RE: Orange Man Trumps the Dems
(01-10-2019 12:19 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Again, if Trump uses it here, then don't complain when the Dems use it on guns and the environment.

There are always legitimate questions of tactics and manners to be asked. But if in the end the answer is "it's their Constitutional right" then what?

Jebus, there are times when I wonder why this country even tries to maintain a “union”.
01-10-2019 12:30 PM
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