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(01-09-2019 05:10 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think both sides are totally f-ed up.

It's not a wall that we need, it's a reasonable and logical comprehensive immigration policy. The wall without such a policy is worthless. Such a policy without the wall is workable.

Problem is that the democrats see a wave of immigrant instant citizens as instant democrat voters. And so do republicans.

Well one has to come first. Build the wall, end the influx of illegals and work on reform to process the ones here and make the new arrivals at port of entries easier to manage.

If dems and republicans view something as big as illegal immigrants the say way - as likely dem voters, then that should be all the justification needed to act now.
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(01-09-2019 05:32 PM)Claw Wrote:  I think he schedules a date to start rounding up the dreamers.

"I am only fenforcing the law as it is. I wish Congress would change this law before we began enforcement in 30 days. I do not pass the laws. I enforce them. Congress has the power to stop this by sending me new legislation to handle the dreamers and fund the border wall within the next 30 days."

Interesting idea, course the lefties will just judge shop to get an injunction stopping it.......
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(01-09-2019 04:32 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 04:28 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  breaking news: government reopens after DJT declares a national emergency to fund border package.... ;0

I have a feeling he's about finished with all this dickin' around bs.....

My only fear of that would be as you guys say on this forum, that would change the rules. If the president can declare a national emergency to get around Congress would that open the door to future abuse of it?

I'm not enthused. Its a very Obamamy thing to do. Moreover, it allows Congress to continue to shirk its duty.
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(01-09-2019 05:10 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think both sides are totally f-ed up.

It's not a wall that we need, it's a reasonable and logical comprehensive immigration policy. The wall without such a policy is worthless. Such a policy without the wall is workable.

Problem is that the democrats see a wave of immigrant instant citizens as instant democrat voters. And so do republicans.

The wall is an important component that adds value on its own.

You don't need to eat an elephant in one bite.
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(01-09-2019 05:51 PM)Crebman Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 05:32 PM)Claw Wrote:  I think he schedules a date to start rounding up the dreamers.

"I am only fenforcing the law as it is. I wish Congress would change this law before we began enforcement in 30 days. I do not pass the laws. I enforce them. Congress has the power to stop this by sending me new legislation to handle the dreamers and fund the border wall within the next 30 days."

Interesting idea, course the lefties will just judge shop to get an injunction stopping it.......

And this time he ignores it saying the law is clear and I will do my job.
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(01-09-2019 06:02 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 04:32 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 04:28 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  breaking news: government reopens after DJT declares a national emergency to fund border package.... ;0

I have a feeling he's about finished with all this dickin' around bs.....

My only fear of that would be as you guys say on this forum, that would change the rules. If the president can declare a national emergency to get around Congress would that open the door to future abuse of it?

I'm not enthused. Its a very Obamamy thing to do. Moreover, it allows Congress to continue to shirk its duty.

congress is already shirking with no signs of changing their position....I wouldn't hesitate after what happened today....piss on dems!

here's why.....

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/42...order-wall

Quote:More than two decades later, Congress expressly gave presidents the authority to declare such emergencies and act unilaterally. The 1976 National Emergencies Act gives presidents sweeping authority as well as allowance in federal regulations to declare an “immigration emergency” to deal with an “influx of aliens which either is of such magnitude or exhibits such other characteristics that effective administration of the immigration laws of the United States is beyond the existing capabilities” of immigration authorities “in the affected area or areas.” The basis for such an invocation generally includes the “likelihood of continued growth in the magnitude of the influx,” rising criminal activity, as well as high “demands on law enforcement agencies” and “other circumstances.”

Democrats have not objected to use of this authority regularly by past presidents, including roughly 30 such emergencies that continue to this day. Other statutes afford additional emergency powers. Indeed, a report by the Congressional Research Service in 2007 stated, “Under the powers delegated by such statutes, the president may seize property, organize and control the means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, institute martial law, seize and control all transportation and communication, regulate the operation of private enterprise, restrict travel, and, in a variety of ways, control the lives of United States citizens.”

Congress spent decades yielding authority to the executive branch. When it agreed with the president, such mighty authority was even celebrated. But now, consider the objections from Representative Joaquin Castro, chairman of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus. He has declared that it would be “profoundly inappropriate for the president of the United States to circumvent the legislative branch and single handedly, against the will of the American people and the American Congress, put up a wall.”

This is a curious statement from one of many lawmakers who supported Obama when he openly circumvented Congress on immigration reforms. Obama ordered agencies to stop enforcing some federal laws and used executive orders to do precisely what Congress refused to do. When Obama declared in a State of the Union address that he would circumvent Congress if it failed to approve his immigration reforms, Democrats cheered at the notion of their own circumvention, if not obsolescence.
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(01-09-2019 05:10 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think both sides are totally f-ed up.

It's not a wall that we need, it's a reasonable and logical comprehensive immigration policy. The wall without such a policy is worthless. Such a policy without the wall is workable.

Problem is that the democrats see a wave of immigrant instant citizens as instant democrat voters. And so do republicans.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/tr...e-exchange

watch the video in the link....he addresses reform also as he's signing the human trafficking bill into law.....

the end of the vid is classic DJT as he wears out another liberal reporter.....

ol' boy is my kinda guy....
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If the President can do it he is not circumventing anything

Democrats hate him and America and will lie about it no matter what he does.

Frick em. Give em hell you magnificent orange bastard.
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another thing that really pisses me off with those opposed to declaring a national emergency, is it's been used in the past to additionally fund building structures in other countries where we are/were fighting terrorism....

but nah, don't worry about our own border crisis....the status quo is just fine....

FK THAT BS!
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(01-09-2019 04:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So....when does the wall start being built? 05-nono

trump will not win this. He's losing his support in congress by the hour. Wake up guys.

Congress? What is Congress besides a damned freak show!
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(01-09-2019 07:59 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 05:10 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think both sides are totally f-ed up.

It's not a wall that we need, it's a reasonable and logical comprehensive immigration policy. The wall without such a policy is worthless. Such a policy without the wall is workable.

Problem is that the democrats see a wave of immigrant instant citizens as instant democrat voters. And so do republicans.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/tr...e-exchange

watch the video in the link....he addresses reform also as he's signing the human trafficking bill into law.....

the end of the vid is classic DJT as he wears out another liberal reporter.....

ol' boy is my kinda guy....

You never seen it from a President and you never will see it after President Trump...

he's not a freaking politician thinking about what every word means and how the press will spin it. Ask a stupid question or make a stupid comment he's going to let you know. It's why the press hates him and it's why history is going to judge him 100% better than the MSM tries to portray him.

If President Trump ran as a democrat the wall would be 2/3 built by now. Most of those against him are not against the wall....

if their life depended on a truthful answer most would agree with the President on this issue. 20 to 25 years from now...history will show that
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(01-09-2019 09:15 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 07:59 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 05:10 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think both sides are totally f-ed up.

It's not a wall that we need, it's a reasonable and logical comprehensive immigration policy. The wall without such a policy is worthless. Such a policy without the wall is workable.

Problem is that the democrats see a wave of immigrant instant citizens as instant democrat voters. And so do republicans.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/tr...e-exchange

watch the video in the link....he addresses reform also as he's signing the human trafficking bill into law.....

the end of the vid is classic DJT as he wears out another liberal reporter.....

ol' boy is my kinda guy....

You never seen it from a President and you never will see it after President Trump...

he's not a freaking politician thinking about what every word means and how the press will spin it. Ask a stupid question or make a stupid comment he's going to let you know. It's why the press hates him and it's why history is going to judge him 100% better than the MSM tries to portray him.

If President Trump ran as a democrat the wall would be 2/3 built by now. Most of those against him are not against the wall....

if their life depended on a truthful answer most would agree with the President on this issue. 20 to 25 years from now...history will show that

you just defined why I was so vocal supporting 'orange man bad' shortly after he announced.....he has the moxie I've been waiting to run for that office my entire life...

he may not have drained the swamp yet, but he's off to one helluva start exposing all the bs in a couple of short years....those slimy bastages are still getting their arse handed to 'em all while he continues to outwork everyone around him....

it's too funny how the idiots continue to fall for his trolling as he continues to push forward with his platform....

I would bet money you'd have to go back to honest Abe before you would find a president that has followed through so many of his campaign promises....

ol' boy couldn't give two shites what the left and msm think about him....he'll simply keep 'em looking foolish....

I also believe history will treat him very well once all the dust settles....ol' boy changed the game....
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(01-09-2019 09:15 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 07:59 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 05:10 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think both sides are totally f-ed up.

It's not a wall that we need, it's a reasonable and logical comprehensive immigration policy. The wall without such a policy is worthless. Such a policy without the wall is workable.

Problem is that the democrats see a wave of immigrant instant citizens as instant democrat voters. And so do republicans.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/tr...e-exchange

watch the video in the link....he addresses reform also as he's signing the human trafficking bill into law.....

the end of the vid is classic DJT as he wears out another liberal reporter.....

ol' boy is my kinda guy....

You never seen it from a President and you never will see it after President Trump...

he's not a freaking politician thinking about what every word means and how the press will spin it. Ask a stupid question or make a stupid comment he's going to let you know. It's why the press hates him and it's why history is going to judge him 100% better than the MSM tries to portray him.

If President Trump ran as a democrat the wall would be 2/3 built by now. Most of those against him are not against the wall....

if their life depended on a truthful answer most would agree with the President on this issue. 20 to 25 years from now...history will show that

He couldn't win as a Democrat. He's an older white male who made his bones in business and is unapologetic. So socialist Bernie he's not, he isn't a minority, and he isn't sorry he is Donald J. Trump white male billionaire, and he doesn't want a sex change and as a hetero married to a trophy wife that rules out feminist support. About the only thing the Dems might covet is his orange hair. That would add to their rainbow coalition freak show.
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Watched FOX News tonight and found out 2 really interesting points.

1). In the budget being pushed by the Democrats that will reopen government is 500 million dollars for the construction of a border security wall....in Jordan.

2). Sara Carter did a report where she and her crew traveled to the US Mexico border. Their crew actually stopped 2 illegal aliens (lol..they put their hands in the air) who indicated they were from Bangeladesh and arrived via Saudi Arabia to Brazil—walking Central America—-and then slipped into the US where there is no physical barrier. Border patrol agents didn’t stop them or even know they were there. The idea that we have any idea how many individuals are sneaking into the nation that may pose a terrorist threat is preposterous.


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201...all-in-jo/

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nrcoQ72kgtg
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(01-09-2019 05:32 PM)Claw Wrote:  I think he schedules a date to start rounding up the dreamers.

"I am only enforcing the law as it is. I wish Congress would change this law before we began enforcement in 30 days. I do not pass the laws. I enforce them. Congress has the power to stop this by sending me new legislation to handle the dreamers and fund the border wall within the next 30 days."

Nice pull.

That would only be too sweet.

The "dreamers" ruined my home town, moved my family 90 miles away as did everyone still around from my elementary, MS, and HS friends. None live there any longer, and it ain't because of raccissmm. Most of my classmates and friends were minority's even then.

Sad.
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(01-09-2019 08:00 PM)shere khan Wrote:  If the President can do it he is not circumventing anything

Democrats hate him and America and will lie about it no matter what he does.

Frick em. Give em hell you magnificent orange bastard.

Once again the dimacrats get bit on the ass by a law THEY PASSED!
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(01-09-2019 05:10 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think both sides are totally f-ed up.

It's not a wall that we need, it's a reasonable and logical comprehensive immigration policy. The wall without such a policy is worthless. Such a policy without the wall is workable.

Problem is that the democrats see a wave of immigrant instant citizens as instant democrat voters. And so do republicans.

On what planet is this happening or EVER going to happen? 01-wingedeagle
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(01-10-2019 10:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 05:10 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think both sides are totally f-ed up.

It's not a wall that we need, it's a reasonable and logical comprehensive immigration policy. The wall without such a policy is worthless. Such a policy without the wall is workable.

Problem is that the democrats see a wave of immigrant instant citizens as instant democrat voters. And so do republicans.

On what planet is this happening or EVER going to happen? 01-wingedeagle

I think he means "instant" as in they vast majority of them are adults. Some municipalities are already discussing allowing illegals to vote in local elections.
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(01-10-2019 10:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 05:10 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think both sides are totally f-ed up.
It's not a wall that we need, it's a reasonable and logical comprehensive immigration policy. The wall without such a policy is worthless. Such a policy without the wall is workable.
Problem is that the democrats see a wave of immigrant instant citizens as instant democrat voters. And so do republicans.
On what planet is this happening or EVER going to happen? 01-wingedeagle

One with democrats in charge.
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(01-09-2019 04:32 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 04:28 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  breaking news: government reopens after DJT declares a national emergency to fund border package.... ;0

I have a feeling he's about finished with all this dickin' around bs.....

My only fear of that would be as you guys say on this forum, that would change the rules. If the president can declare a national emergency to get around Congress would that open the door to future abuse of it?

Y'all just gonna love the National Emergency on the Environment and Gun Control.

Again, y'all keep building up the Presidency. Cause then what happens when you lose it.
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