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RE: Trump Refuses to Back Down Over Obama's 'Very Strange' Birth
At least he was born in an actual state. McCain was born in the Panaman Canal Zone (and yes I know that he's a legal citizen).
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RE: Trump Refuses to Back Down Over Obama's 'Very Strange' Birth
(04-11-2011 10:46 PM)TJfan Wrote:  
(04-05-2011 04:19 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I wish the debate would turn away from "he's not eligible to be president" and simply to a... while honest people can debate specifically what "transparency" is,

Would you birthers care about any of this if his father was a White German Protestant instead of a Black Kenyan Muslim?

I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't lie about what I said. I'm no "birther", and actually complaining about them obscuring the more important issue of general honesty. Did you even read what I wrote, or did you simply see Obama and birth certificate and post the left wing talking point of the day? Be careful, you're close to "admitting" that he isn't an American. Two can play this game.
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Without lies and obfuscation, TJ wouldn't be posting. There's an idea.
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RE: Trump Refuses to Back Down Over Obama's 'Very Strange' Birth
Trump popularity skyrockets as he questions eligibility

CNN puts him even with Huckabee for lead among Republican hopefuls


A new CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll shows that over the last month, while billionaire Donald Trump repeatedly was raising questions about Barack Obama's eligibility to be president – and even suggesting his tenure might be illegal – he's been rocketing in popularity among possible GOP presidential contenders.

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At the same time, oxygen has been sucked out of the support for former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who both essentially have ignored that particular issue facing the American voting public.

According to CNN's results, 19 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents questioned say they'd be most likely to support Trump to be the 2012 GOP nominee.

The same percentage back former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, who has left the eligibility questions alone by saying there are other larger problems with which to deal.

Twelve percent say they would support former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the 2008 vice presidential nominee, while Romney and Gingrich each were at 11 percent.

Seven percent said they are backing Rep. Ron Paul of Texas and five percent were behind Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota.

Huckabee has said he'll be making a decision within weeks or months whether he will assemble an actual campaign, and Trump has made similar promises.

But a new report from CBS said Trump also is keeping open the possibility of running as an independent.

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He told an interviewer for the Wall Street Journal that, "I think Republicans are very concerned that I [may] run as an independent. … I could also possibly win as an independent, otherwise I wouldn't do it. I'm not doing it for any other reason. I like winning."

He noted the large percentage of people who now identify as independents – in some states like Colorado independents outnumber either the GOP or Democrat parties.

"I'm sort of convinced you can actually win nowadays as an independent," he told the WSJ.


He suggested running as an independent might become reality if he would not gain the GOP nomination, but he also has concerns about splitting the support of conservatives, who largely identify with the GOP.

"The concern is that if I don't win, will I run as an independent, and the answer is probably yes. That bothers me only from the standpoint that if I don't win, we're not going to get a Republican, and Obama gets re-elected," he analyzed.

Another poll, by the WSJ-NBC, recently had Romney with 21 percent of the support, and Trump tied with Huckabee at 17 percent.

Trump's support rose from only 10 percent just a month ago, while Romney's dropped form 18 percent to 11 percent.

CNN polling chief Keating Holland said, "Are Republicans switching from Romney to Trump? Some are, but it's a lot more complicated than that, as you would expect with 11 potential hats in the ring.

"Only one in five Trump supporters say that Romney would be their second choice. It looks like Trump pulls as much support from Gingrich and Palin as from Romney, and Romney's support would go down even if Trump were not in the list of potential candidates."

The poll was done by telephone and reached out to 824 people, with a sampling error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

Gingrich's support dropped from 14 percent to 11 percent over the period from March into April. Huckabee's remained the same at 19 percent, while Trump's nearly doubled from 10 percent to 19 percent.

If candidates are being named as a second choice, Huckabee continued to lead, with 16 percent, followed by Romney at 14 percent and Palin and Trump tied at 13 percent. Trump's standing as a second choice also rose from only 6 percent a month ago.

WND has reported on Trump's statements regarding Obama's eligibility.

"There's something fishy about the whole thing," Trump has said of Obama's background, birth story and constant refusal to release a wide range of documents that would reveal information about his heritage and upbringing.

"Where's the Birth Certificate: The Case That Barack Obama Is Not Eligible to Be President," is the most anticipated book of the year. Click here to read more.

He said he's convinced Obama doesn't have a birth certificate, or if he does, "there's something on that certificate that's very bad for him."

He noted that even Obama's own family members have been unable to agree at which hospital he was born.

Trump has said things like newspaper notices of a child being born really don't prove anything other than a child was born.

"I see so much fraud in this world, an ad like that could have been staged. I see so many fraudulent things going on that would be like the least of it," Trump said.

He suggested it was incredible that no doctor, nurse or other person has come forward to recall the birth of such a famous person.

Trump told Fox News host Bill O'Reilly the significance of the dispute isn't clear to many people.

"If you are going to be the president of the United States you have to be born in the United States – and there is doubt [about Obama]," he said. "If he wasn't born in this country, it's one of the great scams."

Trump also was on MSNBC, where he was asked whether it was a serious issue:

"There is certainly a chance that he was not born in this country. Now if he was not born in this country, that means he can't be president. It's very simple," Trump patiently explained.

"Where's the Birth Certificate: The Case That Barack Obama Is Not Eligible to Be President," is the most anticipated book of the year. Click here to read more.
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I think this is far more a commentary on the weakness of the republican field than on the strength of Trump.

Unless the economy craters, or one or more of three wars goes badly wrong, I'm guessing Obama gets re-elected. What republicans need to do is 1) take the senate, and 2) hold the house.

I'm okay with that result in 2012.
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(04-14-2011 07:59 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think this is far more a commentary on the weakness of the republican field than on the strength of Trump.

Unless the economy craters, or one or more of three wars goes badly wrong, I'm guessing Obama gets re-elected. What republicans need to do is 1) take the senate, and 2) hold the house.

I'm okay with that result in 2012.

I'm guessing Obama is a 1 termer, I am also hoping someone emerges to campaign against him in the Dem. primaries. Repub. will keep the house and take the Senate. Any other comb. gets us nowhere. Totally get us nowhere.
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(04-14-2011 02:12 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  
(04-14-2011 07:59 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think this is far more a commentary on the weakness of the republican field than on the strength of Trump.
Unless the economy craters, or one or more of three wars goes badly wrong, I'm guessing Obama gets re-elected. What republicans need to do is 1) take the senate, and 2) hold the house.
I'm okay with that result in 2012.
I'm guessing Obama is a 1 termer, I am also hoping someone emerges to campaign against him in the Dem. primaries. Repub. will keep the house and take the Senate. Any other comb. gets us nowhere. Totally get us nowhere.

I still think Hillary is Obama's biggest threat. I know she has stated that she has no intention of running. But I think we're about one shake of a lamb's tail away from unmitigated economic disaster, and maybe unmitigated defense/foreign relations disaster at the same time. And any short-term good news is certainly good, but it doesn't alter the long-term path to oblivion (or at least Argentina) that I see us on now. I could see a point at any time in the next 12-14 months when things are going so badly that Obama, indeed every incumbent, is in serious danger of defeat. At that point, I can easily see the democrats deciding that Obama simply has to go, that he will lead them to a bloodier defeat than John Major led the Tories, and the obvious place to turn will be Hillary.

I'm perfectly happy with a combination that gets us nowhere. Given where the leaders on both sides are trying to take us, nowhere is better.
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RE: Trump Refuses to Back Down Over Obama's 'Very Strange' Birth
(04-14-2011 03:14 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(04-14-2011 02:12 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  
(04-14-2011 07:59 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think this is far more a commentary on the weakness of the republican field than on the strength of Trump.
Unless the economy craters, or one or more of three wars goes badly wrong, I'm guessing Obama gets re-elected. What republicans need to do is 1) take the senate, and 2) hold the house.
I'm okay with that result in 2012.
I'm guessing Obama is a 1 termer, I am also hoping someone emerges to campaign against him in the Dem. primaries. Repub. will keep the house and take the Senate. Any other comb. gets us nowhere. Totally get us nowhere.

I still think Hillary is Obama's biggest threat. I know she has stated that she has no intention of running. But I think we're about one shake of a lamb's tail away from unmitigated economic disaster, and maybe unmitigated defense/foreign relations disaster at the same time. And any short-term good news is certainly good, but it doesn't alter the long-term path to oblivion (or at least Argentina) that I see us on now. I could see a point at any time in the next 12-14 months when things are going so badly that Obama, indeed every incumbent, is in serious danger of defeat. At that point, I can easily see the democrats deciding that Obama simply has to go, that he will lead them to a bloodier defeat than John Major led the Tories, and the obvious place to turn will be Hillary.

I'm perfectly happy with a combination that gets us nowhere. Given where the leaders on both sides are trying to take us, nowhere is better.

The path to nowhere is a path of doom. It's that catastrophic. I could vote for Hillary , but it would pain me to see Slick Willy doing interns two at a time in the WH. For my vote to go that way, I'd have to see the GOP put up a spineless jerk. So far I haven't heard one candidate have an acceptable immigration plan. I'll go with that guy because we have many problems whose roots are in illegal immigration.
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