George Wallace was a Democrat.

Hell, Robert Byrd STILL is.

(08-05-2009 08:33 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(08-05-2009 08:28 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Anyone else notice that when a dem does the same thing crazed bashes a republican for they're "making a reasonable point" or we read some other justification?

Do you care that you're a hypocrite or is just a fact of life you accepted years ago?

Well... facts are facts, and nothing Durbin said was objectionable, IMHO. He was making a strong point that these are names that never should be associated w/ the USA in any way, shape or form. And further, he wasn't comparing anybody to Hitler specifically, as you know.

But as for Obama... no, not only is he Hiter and Stalin and every other tyrant rolled into one, he's also got that spiritual side... ya know, he's the ANTI-CHRIST!

*hides*

And that is why I don't care. You are a hypocrite and liar WVUCrazy. I don't have the time or interest for such.

(08-05-2009 08:58 PM)Paul M Wrote:  I believe the founders said something about a little revolution now and then being a good thing.

And I kind of think they may have ment the times that the people were no longer calling the shots.

Yeah, when are "the people" no longer calling the shots? When they elected Barack Obama by a wide margin? When a majority supports pretty much every aspect of his agenda (apart from the health care plan, which is "only" at 50%).

There is a vocal minority who is trying to disrupt progress and you've deluded yourself into thinking that these folks are "the voice of the people."

Well guess what - the people spoke in November, loud and clear. Denial on your part won't change that fact.

(08-06-2009 07:49 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(08-05-2009 08:33 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(08-05-2009 08:28 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Anyone else notice that when a dem does the same thing crazed bashes a republican for they're "making a reasonable point" or we read some other justification?

Do you care that you're a hypocrite or is just a fact of life you accepted years ago?

Well... facts are facts, and nothing Durbin said was objectionable, IMHO. He was making a strong point that these are names that never should be associated w/ the USA in any way, shape or form. And further, he wasn't comparing anybody to Hitler specifically, as you know.

But as for Obama... no, not only is he Hiter and Stalin and every other tyrant rolled into one, he's also got that spiritual side... ya know, he's the ANTI-CHRIST!

*hides*

And that is why I don't care. You are a hypocrite and liar WVUCrazy. I don't have the time or interest for such.

[shrug]. It's easier to make blanket denials and call names than actually refute an argument, I see.

What Durbin said was completely true.

(08-05-2009 08:53 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(08-05-2009 08:43 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(08-05-2009 08:41 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Except for when racism really exist, oh, as in maybe a President and college professor attacking a cop, you see racism everywhere. You see it in sigs here and in posts, so excuse me if that charge from you doesn't carry any weight.

I call it like I see it - all there is to it. I've made it clear I don't think all criticism of Obama is racist, not even close. But it is out there. Are you denying it is, seriously? You don't need me to tell you it exists.

Of course racism exists. The left is rife with it. B S like Blacks need to be taken care of. I can't think of anything more denigrating. And nothing keeps the black man down more than liberal policies.

And I refer you to your comment that SumOfallFears sig is a racist caricature. Like I said, you have no credibility here with that charge.

I suspect you're not foolish enough to believe that there isn't profound racism among a certain percentage of Obama's opponents, but I can see that you'll never admit it. That's okay... it's not really necessary. Everybody reading this knows it for truth, so it's really a pointless argument.

And I stand by what I said about that caricature.

(08-06-2009 07:43 AM)Smaug Wrote:  George Wallace was a Democrat.

Hell, Robert Byrd STILL is.

Yeah, those were the days when the shoe was on the other foot. Guess which party all those Wallace voters support now? Hint: glance at an electoral map from any recent election.

As for Robert Byrd, he's renounced his past mistakes many many times and publicly supported Barack Obama for President even though the state of WV widely supported Hillary Clinton.

(08-05-2009 09:23 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  What u call ugly, I call the anger of the silent majority.

Funny, I heard that on the Mark Levin show last night. The talk show hosts must be reading your posts again!

(08-06-2009 08:00 AM)wvucrazed Wrote:  When a majority supports pretty much every aspect of his agenda (apart from the health care plan, which is "only" at 50%).

Fail...again....and again.

The economy - 45% support him

Foreign policy - 52%

Healthcare - 39%

This is from the most recent Quinnipiac poll that was conducted between 7/27 and 8/3.

So, contrary to your deluded assertion, the majority of American's don't support every aspect of his agenda. In fact, the 3 major issues of the day, Economy, Healthcare and Foreign Policy, it's only in Foreign policy that the majority support him, and that's barely by 2%.

You ever considered, oh I don't know, actually researching this stuff before you post something stupid?

(08-06-2009 08:00 AM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(08-05-2009 08:58 PM)Paul M Wrote:  I believe the founders said something about a little revolution now and then being a good thing.

And I kind of think they may have ment the times that the people were no longer calling the shots.

Yeah, when are "the people" no longer calling the shots? When they elected Barack Obama by a wide margin? When a majority supports pretty much every aspect of his agenda (apart from the health care plan, which is "only" at 50%).

There is a vocal minority who is trying to disrupt progress and you've deluded yourself into thinking that these folks are "the voice of the people."

Well guess what - the people spoke in November, loud and clear. Denial on your part won't change that fact.

Those same people you refer to as speaking loud and clear in November are the same people who are becoming increasingly disillusioned with Obama now. There are a number of people who will vote democrat regardless of who runs just as there are people who vote republican no matter what. Elections are decided by those in the middle who don't really consider themselves one or the other. 2010 will determine how those folks feel about Obama, that's why the democrats are in a hurry to push this thru.

(08-06-2009 08:08 AM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(08-06-2009 07:49 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(08-05-2009 08:33 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(08-05-2009 08:28 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Anyone else notice that when a dem does the same thing crazed bashes a republican for they're "making a reasonable point" or we read some other justification?

Do you care that you're a hypocrite or is just a fact of life you accepted years ago?

Well... facts are facts, and nothing Durbin said was objectionable, IMHO. He was making a strong point that these are names that never should be associated w/ the USA in any way, shape or form. And further, he wasn't comparing anybody to Hitler specifically, as you know.

But as for Obama... no, not only is he Hiter and Stalin and every other tyrant rolled into one, he's also got that spiritual side... ya know, he's the ANTI-CHRIST!

*hides*

And that is why I don't care. You are a hypocrite and liar WVUCrazy. I don't have the time or interest for such.

[shrug]. It's easier to make blanket denials and call names than actually refute an argument, I see.

You see? What you see is your arguments refuted ad nauseum. Every single one of them. It's what everyone sees. That's why you're a troll.

(08-06-2009 08:24 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(08-06-2009 08:00 AM)wvucrazed Wrote:  When a majority supports pretty much every aspect of his agenda (apart from the health care plan, which is "only" at 50%).

Fail...again....and again.

The economy - 45% support him

Foreign policy - 52%

Healthcare - 39%

This is from the most recent Quinnipiac poll that was conducted between 7/27 and 8/3.

So, contrary to your deluded assertion, the majority of American's don't support every aspect of his agenda. In fact, the 3 major issues of the day, Economy, Healthcare and Foreign Policy, it's only in Foreign policy that the majority support him, and that's barely by 2%.

You ever considered, oh I don't know, actually researching this stuff before you post something stupid?

Time, NBC and CBS all have him above 50% on the economy – even the most recent Fox News poll has him at 50%. As for Health Care, the most recent Time has it 46 approve and 46 disapprove, but CBS shows 46 approve, 38 disapprove.

I suspect it has to do with the sample of the poll chosen, and the specific question asked.

But two points:

His overall favorability rating is at or above 60% in every poll I’ve seen. His job approval rating is above 50% in every poll I’ve seen. People support him.

As far as specific issues – keep in mind that there is a wide swath of people on the far left who believe he is not going far enough on these issues, and will respond they disapprove of his handling of those issues. That doesn’t mean they will turn against him or support GOP proposals. It’s similar to looking at congressional ratings. One reason why they are always so low is discontent from their members of their own party that they aren’t doing more to stand up to and thwart the opposition.

The American people are behind Obama and what he is trying to accomplish. If you think that folks are suddenly turning to your way of thinking, don’t be deluded. I assume you’ve seen the recent Gallup study of voter identification? The GOP is in even more trouble now than they were on election day, and the demographic trends will only continue in favor of the Democrats (I suspect this is one of the reasons why the GOP is showing such desperation to put roadblocks in Obama’s path now.)

If you’re not familiar w/ the Gallup study, here’s a link: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/...-p-24.html

(08-06-2009 08:00 AM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(08-05-2009 08:58 PM)Paul M Wrote:  I believe the founders said something about a little revolution now and then being a good thing.

And I kind of think they may have ment the times that the people were no longer calling the shots.

Yeah, when are "the people" no longer calling the shots? When they elected Barack Obama by a wide margin? When a majority supports pretty much every aspect of his agenda (apart from the health care plan, which is "only" at 50%).

There is a vocal minority who is trying to disrupt progress and you've deluded yourself into thinking that these folks are "the voice of the people."

Well guess what - the people spoke in November, loud and clear. Denial on your part won't change that fact.

"a majority supports pretty much every aspect of his agenda". Not true.

Voting for someone and then going home and just saying that you have given your complete approval for that person to do whatever they want with no questioning from you may be your idea, but as you can see from all the protests, nobody else agrees with you. Voting for someone and giving them free reign are two differant things, as you know.

And the vocal minority that gets so much praise from the media for proudly standing up and expressing themselves all across the land are, are you ready, the organized, bused in, professional protesting liberals. It is extremely hard to get the conservatives and Independants riled up enough to get them out, partly due to the pesky jobs they have.

(08-06-2009 08:43 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  You see? What you see is your arguments refuted ad nauseum. Every single one of them. It's what everyone sees. That's why you're a troll.

Nobody has refuted anything Durbin has said - in fact, nobody has addressed it at all.

And I understand... usually when someone comes over to the spin room that doesn't have a far-right view point, he - at some point - will get called a troll. If that's the case, why pretend it's a political forum for all viewpoints? Why not just call it the Conservative Cafe or something snappy like that and be done with it?

Don't you all get bored being in an echo chamber all the time, with hardly any opposing viewpoints? I guess it's just a comfort thing - you like others to agree with you. It makes you feel valid.

(08-06-2009 08:11 AM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(08-05-2009 08:53 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(08-05-2009 08:43 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(08-05-2009 08:41 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Except for when racism really exist, oh, as in maybe a President and college professor attacking a cop, you see racism everywhere. You see it in sigs here and in posts, so excuse me if that charge from you doesn't carry any weight.

I call it like I see it - all there is to it. I've made it clear I don't think all criticism of Obama is racist, not even close. But it is out there. Are you denying it is, seriously? You don't need me to tell you it exists.

Of course racism exists. The left is rife with it. B S like Blacks need to be taken care of. I can't think of anything more denigrating. And nothing keeps the black man down more than liberal policies.

And I refer you to your comment that SumOfallFears sig is a racist caricature. Like I said, you have no credibility here with that charge.

I suspect you're not foolish enough to believe that there isn't profound racism among a certain percentage of Obama's opponents, but I can see that you'll never admit it. That's okay... it's not really necessary. Everybody reading this knows it for truth, so it's really a pointless argument.

And I stand by what I said about that caricature.

You quote me and ignore what I said. Let me state it again in bold.
This is a copy and paste from my own post.

Of course racism exists.

And you stand by what you said about that caricature. OK. So now caricatures can no longer be drawn of blacks. I guess at every fair across the land we will now see signs saying, "Sorry, we can no longer do business with the black folk. We apologize for what would appear to be a racist policy, but due to the charges of racism for taking your perfectly good money and drawing your picture, we are in a no win situation and just give up."

Maybe you could just point out to the rest of us what exactly is racist in that particuly sig?

(08-06-2009 08:52 AM)wvucrazed Wrote:  As far as specific issues – keep in mind that there is a wide swath of people on the far left who believe he is not going far enough on these issues, and will respond they disapprove of his handling of those issues.

Good one. And another good one would be that there are a lot who don't follow any of this at all and don't have a clue as to what is going on and will respond that they approve.

(08-06-2009 08:55 AM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(08-06-2009 08:43 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  You see? What you see is your arguments refuted ad nauseum. Every single one of them. It's what everyone sees. That's why you're a troll.

Nobody has refuted anything Durbin has said - in fact, nobody has addressed it at all.

And I understand... usually when someone comes over to the spin room that doesn't have a far-right view point, he - at some point - will get called a troll.

A comment like that is, in fact, trolling.

Your points were addressed w/ irrefutable facts. So you've escalated your claims to get more attention and heated responses.

Guess what trolls do? That. That's exactly what trolls do.

I'll give you one point though, even though you're trolling thru here, your posts are generally smarter than anyone else who comes from the left.

I find that point to be hilarious.

(08-06-2009 08:11 AM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(08-05-2009 08:53 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(08-05-2009 08:43 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(08-05-2009 08:41 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Except for when racism really exist, oh, as in maybe a President and college professor attacking a cop, you see racism everywhere. You see it in sigs here and in posts, so excuse me if that charge from you doesn't carry any weight.

I call it like I see it - all there is to it. I've made it clear I don't think all criticism of Obama is racist, not even close. But it is out there. Are you denying it is, seriously? You don't need me to tell you it exists.

Of course racism exists. The left is rife with it. B S like Blacks need to be taken care of. I can't think of anything more denigrating. And nothing keeps the black man down more than liberal policies.
And I refer you to your comment that SumOfallFears sig is a racist caricature. Like I said, you have no credibility here with that charge.

I suspect you're not foolish enough to believe that there isn't profound racism among a certain percentage of Obama's opponents, but I can see that you'll never admit it. That's okay... it's not really necessary. Everybody reading this knows it for truth, so it's really a pointless argument.
And I stand by what I said about that caricature.

And I suspect you're not foolish enough to believe that there isn't profound racism among a certain percentage of Obama's supporters.

What should be more important--marginalizing opponents with some stereotypical pejorative, or distinguishing between good and bad policy for addressing real problems? I vote for the latter and I would hope that you would too.

Unfortunately, that does not seem to be the way much of our political leadership--on either side--is voting.

(08-06-2009 09:13 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(08-06-2009 08:52 AM)wvucrazed Wrote:  As far as specific issues – keep in mind that there is a wide swath of people on the far left who believe he is not going far enough on these issues, and will respond they disapprove of his handling of those issues.

Good one. And another good one would be that there are a lot who don't follow any of this at all and don't have a clue as to what is going on and will respond that they approve.

This is true, but presumably those folks would show up on both sides of the numbers.

(08-06-2009 09:22 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  And I suspect you're not foolish enough to believe that there isn't profound racism among a certain percentage of Obama's supporters.

What should be more important--marginalizing opponents with some stereotypical pejorative, or distinguishing between good and bad policy for addressing real problems? I vote for the latter and I would hope that you would too.

Agreed

(08-06-2009 08:52 AM)wvucrazed Wrote:  His overall favorability rating is at or above 60% in every poll I’ve seen. His job approval rating is above 50% in every poll I’ve seen. People support him.

What has happened to it since he took office? It has plummeted. His support erodes weekly.

Quote:As far as specific issues – keep in mind that there is a wide swath of people on the far left who believe he is not going far enough on these issues, and will respond they disapprove of his handling of those issues. That doesn’t mean they will turn against him or support GOP proposals. It’s similar to looking at congressional ratings. One reason why they are always so low is discontent from their members of their own party that they aren’t doing more to stand up to and thwart the opposition.

Now you're changing the point after being shown to be wrong. It doesn't matter why they disapprove, the fact is they do. That runs directly contrary to your assertion the majority support him and his agenda. They, in fact, don't.

Quote:The American people are behind Obama and what he is trying to accomplish.

No, they're not. If you were intelligent it would be an indicator to you that as more people learn what he wants to do his numbers drop. His numbers have done nothing but drop since he began to make clear what he wanted to do.

Quote:If you think that folks are suddenly turning to your way of thinking, don’t be deluded. I assume you’ve seen the recent Gallup study of voter identification? The GOP is in even more trouble now than they were on election day, and the demographic trends will only continue in favor of the Democrats (I suspect this is one of the reasons why the GOP is showing such desperation to put roadblocks in Obama’s path now.)

Yet over 40% of the electorate ID themselves as conservative. The fact is you lack the depth to grasp what polls really mean outside the number on the paper.

Look it's pointless to try and discuss this stuff with you because time and again you're proven wrong and you just ignore it and then move on to something else to be wrong about. You've constructed a nice little reality for yourself that exists outside the true reality the majority of people live in. Enjoy it.