(08-05-2009 04:59 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  By using that arguement the left gets to protest all they want and when conservatives do it you say two wrongs don't make a right. Either way, you win, I lose. Slick.

Yeah, I rather liked it

(08-05-2009 04:59 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  But they still do it and no one is outraged.

What do you mean by "no one"?

(08-05-2009 04:59 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I'm sure any politician at any of these events would have asked for an escort.

Perhaps.

It seems to me that opponents of Obama are determined to use how the left treated Bush as justification to completely go batshit insane over Obama's every move. I suspect these ugly scenes and the anger will only increase over Obama's tenure, but I hope I'm wrong.

(08-05-2009 08:10 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  So don't pretend there isn't a racial element to this.

If I remember correctly the first people to bring up race during the primaries were Biden and Obama. The left loves to bring up race and then accuse the right of being racist. The attitude among the left is if you disagree with Obama or any other minority you're a racist.

While we're at it, does anyone want to discuss how the left treats anti-illegal immigration activists? They're racists, right? Hell, in Connecticut we even have fireman tests that are racist. California's high school exit exam is racist. And white cops are racist when they respond to protect a black guy's house.

(08-05-2009 08:17 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  What happen to ......"Dissent Is the Highest Form of Patriotism".....???

US Senator making Hitler comparisons


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He was making a valid point. The USA should be an example to the world, and some of the "enhanced interrogation" techniques crossed the line of what our country is supposed to represent. That is simple reality.

Now, what point are they trying to make now when they compare Obama with Hitler? Is it the popularity, the big crowds during the campaign, what? What is their reasoning, and do you share it?

(08-05-2009 08:20 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(08-05-2009 08:10 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  So don't pretend there isn't a racial element to this.

If I remember correctly the first people to bring up race during the primaries were Biden and Obama. The left loves to bring up race and then accuse the right of being racist. The attitude among the left is if you disagree with Obama or any other minority you're a racist.

While we're at it, does anyone want to discuss how the left treats anti-illegal immigration activists? They're racists, right? Hell, in Connecticut we even have fireman tests that are racist. California's high school exit exam is racist. And white cops are racist when they respond to protect a black guy's house.

The right is hiding behind this statement:

"The attitude among the left is if you disagree with Obama or any other minority you're a racist. "

That is total BS. You know it, I know it, everybody here knows it.

We all also know that there is an element of racism to some of the opposition to Obama. It's simple truth. The signs at the rallies are there for all to see online.

That obviously doesn't mean all his opponents are racist. But to ignore that particular element is simply not facing reality.

Anyone else notice that when a dem does the same thing crazed bashes a republican for they're "making a reasonable point" or we read some other justification?

Do you care that you're a hypocrite or is just a fact of life you accepted years ago?

Its racist when someone wants to take over 15% of the American economy...
Its racist when someone wants a one payer system and his minions claims its not true....
Its racist when someone wants to raise taxes in a depression on weak science / energy bill
Its racist when someone continues the bailout of corporate/union America at the expense of others.
Its racist when someone supports the commies/socialist in Latin America at the expense of the law, the congress, and the supreme court in Honduras.

Its all racist???

Same Fox News that has those dumb*** pro-Obamacare commercials on? Those right-wing radicals! /sarcasm.

You leftists will stop at nothing to suppress the rights of the people. Hitler was a left-winger. Stalin was. Hugo was. Lenin was. Pol Pot was. Ho Chi Min was. Kim been Ill is. Mussolini was. etc., etc., etc.

(08-05-2009 08:29 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  Its racist when someone wants to take over 15% of the American economy...
Its racist when someone wants a one payer system and his minions claims its not true....
Its racist when someone wants to raise taxes in a depression on weak science / energy bill
Its racist when someone continues the bailout of corporate/union America at the expense of others.
Its racist when someone supports the commies/socialist in Latin America at the expense of the law, the congress, and the supreme court in Honduras.

Its all racist???

No... not sure of your point. As I said above, nobody is saying that everybody who opposes Obama is racist. Or at least, I've never said that. And it's an idiotic notion.

(08-05-2009 08:28 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Anyone else notice that when a dem does the same thing crazed bashes a republican for they're "making a reasonable point" or we read some other justification?

Do you care that you're a hypocrite or is just a fact of life you accepted years ago?

Well... facts are facts, and nothing Durbin said was objectionable, IMHO. He was making a strong point that these are names that never should be associated w/ the USA in any way, shape or form. And further, he wasn't comparing anybody to Hitler specifically, as you know.

But as for Obama... no, not only is he Hiter and Stalin and every other tyrant rolled into one, he's also got that spiritual side... ya know, he's the ANTI-CHRIST!

*hides*

(08-05-2009 08:33 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(08-05-2009 08:28 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Anyone else notice that when a dem does the same thing crazed bashes a republican for they're "making a reasonable point" or we read some other justification?

Do you care that you're a hypocrite or is just a fact of life you accepted years ago?

Well... facts are facts, and nothing Durbin said was objectionable, IMHO. He was making a strong point that these are names that never should be associated w/ the USA in any way, shape or form. And further, he wasn't comparing anybody to Hitler specifically, as you know.

But as for Obama... no, not only is he Hiter and Stalin and every other tyrant rolled into one, he's also got that spiritual side... ya know, he's the ANTI-CHRIST!

*hides*

Soooo..you don't care that you're a hypocrite.

(08-05-2009 04:29 PM)NIUFAN Wrote:  

(08-05-2009 04:22 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  is this the kind of political discourse you folks are proud of?


TOWN HALLS GONE WILD: In one incident of right-wing outrage, protesters surrounded Rep. Tim Bishop (D-NY), forcing police to escort him to his car. In another, anti-health care protesters hung up an effigy of Rep. Frank Kratovil (D-MD) outside his district office in Salisbury, MD. The city was the site of a recent symposium on the dangers of "government-run health care," sponsored by a group called "Patients First," a project of AFP. Two nights ago, Reps. Steve Kagen (D-WI) and Steve Driehaus (D-OH) had to face down angry mobs. Kagen, whose town hall was targeted by the Wisconsin chapter of AFP, was "repeatedly disrupted" by "incomprehensible" shrieks and shouts from conservatives. And just last night, Fox's local Houston affiliate reported that at a rowdy town hall hosted by Rep. Gene Green (D-TX), some attendees admitted "they don't live in the district." Still, Democrats are vowing not to let the disruptions stop health care reform. "I hope my colleagues won't fall for a sucker-punch like this," Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) told The Progress Report. "These health insurance companies and people like them are trying to load these town halls for visual impact on television." Doggett agreed. After his town hall was ambushed he declared, "I am more committed than ever to win approval of legislation to offer more individual choice to access affordable health care. An effective public plan is essential to achieve that goal." And Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) promised Democrats wouldn't waiver: "In spite of the loud, shrill voices trying to interrupt town hall meetings and just throw a monkey wrench into everything, we're going to continue to be positive and work hard." http://www.thecherrycreeknews.com/content/view/4996/2/

Yeah, this free speech stuff really sucks. Time to get rid of it!

Yep...How dare these people have an opinion!...I could care less if they touted burning babies....I do not have to like it...I just have to tolerate it.

(08-05-2009 08:35 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Soooo..you don't care that you're a hypocrite.

I don't see myself as a hypocrite. I see two completely different scenarios.

(08-05-2009 08:10 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  Well, the race card is well-played already. Have you seen some of the pictures of these tea-bag rallies? There were plenty of racist signs. So I'm sure that the non-racist tea-baggers were all disgusted and outraged by those, weren't they? Probably marched up to these few bad seeds and made them take their signs, right? Errr, yeah. Not likely.

So don't pretend there isn't a racial element to this.

Except for when racism really exist, oh, as in maybe a President and college professor attacking a cop, you see racism everywhere. You see it in sigs here and in posts, so excuse me if that charge from you doesn't carry any weight.

(08-05-2009 08:41 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Except for when racism really exist, oh, as in maybe a President and college professor attacking a cop, you see racism everywhere. You see it in sigs here and in posts, so excuse me if that charge from you doesn't carry any weight.

I call it like I see it - all there is to it. I've made it clear I don't think all criticism of Obama is racist, not even close. But it is out there. Are you denying it is, seriously? You don't need me to tell you it exists.

(08-05-2009 08:27 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  The right is hiding behind this statement:

"The attitude among the left is if you disagree with Obama or any other minority you're a racist. "

That is total BS. You know it, I know it, everybody here knows it.

Did you type that with a straight face? Tell the truth, your laughing your ass off.

(08-05-2009 08:43 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(08-05-2009 08:41 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Except for when racism really exist, oh, as in maybe a President and college professor attacking a cop, you see racism everywhere. You see it in sigs here and in posts, so excuse me if that charge from you doesn't carry any weight.

I call it like I see it - all there is to it. I've made it clear I don't think all criticism of Obama is racist, not even close. But it is out there. Are you denying it is, seriously? You don't need me to tell you it exists.

Of course racism exists. The left is rife with it. B S like Blacks need to be taken care of. I can't think of anything more denigrating. And nothing keeps the black man down more than liberal policies.

And I refer you to your comment that SumOfallFears sig is a racist caricature. Like I said, you have no credibility here with that charge.

I believe the founders said something about a little revolution now and then being a good thing.

And I kind of think they may have ment the times that the people were no longer calling the shots.

(08-05-2009 08:10 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(08-05-2009 04:49 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  wvucrazed,

You mean to tell me that you never saw an effigy of Bush. Why is it Free Speech for the lefty loonies? Bush was assaulted by a shoe throwing Iraqi, and you guys laughed about it and put up animated computer games making fun of Bush. Remember, Then the shoe (no pun intended) is on the other foot and it's righteous indignation. Until all the facts are known, and all the speech has been calibrated, I expect someone to play the race card any time now. I say its too soon to make a call.

This is all just a smoke screen to take the conversation off the real subject, what the people are mad as hell about.

wvucrazed,
Your eyes have been permanently closed. You are in the Matrix.

Well, the race card is well-played already. Have you seen some of the pictures of these tea-bag rallies? There were plenty of racist signs. So I'm sure that the non-racist tea-baggers were all disgusted and outraged by those, weren't they? Probably marched up to these few bad seeds and made them take their signs, right? Errr, yeah. Not likely.

So don't pretend there isn't a racial element to this.

As for Bush. Yeah, the criticism of him was relentless. Yeah, he did get a shoe thrown at him. But when Bush spoke it was always with a hand-picked crowd of loyalists, and I don't remember any crazy groups of angry liberals trying to disrupt town-meetings and mobbing local politicos.

The atmosphere out there is getting very ugly.

You have got to be kidding me. Ann Coulter and many conservatives are thrown off college stages .

The shoe thrower was part of a hand-picked crowd? Only Obama hand picks not only the crowd but the questions.

What u call ugly, I call the anger of the silent majority.

Again --Your eyes have been permanently closed. You are in the Matrix.

(08-05-2009 09:23 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  What u call ugly, I call the anger of the silent majority.

(08-05-2009 08:43 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(08-05-2009 08:41 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Except for when racism really exist, oh, as in maybe a President and college professor attacking a cop, you see racism everywhere. You see it in sigs here and in posts, so excuse me if that charge from you doesn't carry any weight.

I call it like I see it - all there is to it. I've made it clear I don't think all criticism of Obama is racist, not even close. But it is out there. Are you denying it is, seriously? You don't need me to tell you it exists.

Yeah, the Republican party is so f'n racist they passed the emancipation proclamation, made it possible for the Civil Right's Act of '64 to be passed, and elected a black guy as their RNC chairman, who they previously elected Lt. Governor of a state. Those racist BASTARDS!