(08-07-2009 09:01 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(08-07-2009 08:56 AM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(08-07-2009 08:48 AM)NIU05 Wrote:  Defending his argument is playing the same game.

That is because what he is saying is absolutely 100% true.

Krugman has NEVER had any kind of relationship with the truth what-so-ever.

Except for when he is critical of the President, as he was during the stimulus debate. Then he was one of the most oft-quoted writers on right-leaning sites. Funny how that works.

(08-07-2009 08:58 AM)wvucrazed Wrote:  A CNN poll out a few days ago put support for Obama's health care plan at 50%.

His favorability rating hovers around 60%, and - oh yeah - he was just elected in November in what could be considered a landslide victory.

CNN can claim that and you can repete it, but it just isn't true.

It's close on people wanting SOME KIND OF REFORM, but they are opposed to the current plan being proposed.

(08-07-2009 09:02 AM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(08-07-2009 08:48 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Disorderly conduct is in the eye of the beholder. It's disorderly for these arrogant people to stand at the front of a room and lie to the voters. We have watched what you are NOW calling disorderly for 200 years from the left.

George Bush and his cronies really DID lie about WMDs, the rationale for the war in Iraq, etc.

Picture it: a town hall meeting. A conservative republican lawmaker prepared to answer questions about why it is absolutely ESSENTIAL that we invade Iraq. Military men/women prepared to take the stage to give their testimony.

The crowd is filled with angry anti-war liberals who completely disrupt the event. They shout out the speakers, screaming LIAR LIAR LIAR repeatedly. Chaos ensues. The GOP lawmaker is unable to speak and answer the questions of his constituents.

I suspect that your apprehension about what might constitute "disorderly conduct" would be a little different in that scenario.

I know I'm wasting my time but after all these years of asking and not getting an answer, I'll take a shot anyway: Where's the proof of the lies?

As for your last part, I haven't called for people to be arrested.

(08-07-2009 09:10 AM)Paul M Wrote:  CNN can claim that and you can repete it, but it just isn't true.

I see... So when presented with fact that go against what you want to believe, the facts presents simply aren't true. I'll have to remember to use that technique in the future.

(08-07-2009 09:03 AM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(08-07-2009 09:01 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(08-07-2009 08:56 AM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(08-07-2009 08:48 AM)NIU05 Wrote:  Defending his argument is playing the same game.

That is because what he is saying is absolutely 100% true.

Krugman has NEVER had any kind of relationship with the truth what-so-ever.

Except for when he is critical of the President, as he was during the stimulus debate. Then he was one of the most oft-quoted writers on right-leaning sites. Funny how that works.

I think people point to something like desent from a supporter for a differant reason than you are trying to portray.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't his criticism that Obama wasn't spending enough?

(08-07-2009 09:14 AM)Paul M Wrote:  I know I'm wasting my time but after all these years of asking and not getting an answer, I'll take a shot anyway: Where's the proof of the lies?

Read a book. Thomas Ricks' "Fiasco" is a great place to start.

(08-07-2009 09:18 AM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(08-07-2009 09:10 AM)Paul M Wrote:  CNN can claim that and you can repete it, but it just isn't true.

I see... So when presented with fact that go against what you want to believe, the facts presents simply aren't true. I'll have to remember to use that technique in the future.

You didn't present any facts. You just said CNN said it.

Let me offer the same argument as you did. A poll from FOX said...

(08-07-2009 09:19 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(08-07-2009 09:03 AM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(08-07-2009 09:01 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(08-07-2009 08:56 AM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(08-07-2009 08:48 AM)NIU05 Wrote:  Defending his argument is playing the same game.

That is because what he is saying is absolutely 100% true.

Krugman has NEVER had any kind of relationship with the truth what-so-ever.

Except for when he is critical of the President, as he was during the stimulus debate. Then he was one of the most oft-quoted writers on right-leaning sites. Funny how that works.

I think people point to something like desent from a supporter for a differant reason than you are trying to portray.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't his criticism that Obama wasn't spending enough?

You might be right on that - - would need to go back and read through some of his articles.

(08-07-2009 08:56 AM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(08-07-2009 08:48 AM)NIU05 Wrote:  Defending his argument is playing the same game.

That is because what he is saying is absolutely 100% true.

As I've said before, not everybody who opposes Obama or his agenda is racist. Not even close.

But racism still exists, it still feeds the mistrust many people have for Obama, and to pretend that this doesn't play a real part in the opposition and general hatred of Obama is to deny an ugly reality.

.....Krugman makes a racist argument, thus he is a racist and you agree with him 100%, at least you admit it.

Krugmans racist comments fit with with the left. It is all together fitting they would nominate someone to the Supreme Court who views her wisdom based on ethnicity and not on truth...i.e. ... wise Latinia.... racists true & true.....

(08-07-2009 09:27 AM)NIU05 Wrote:  .....Krugman makes a racist argument, thus he is a racist and you agree with him 100%, at least you admit it.

Krugmans racist comments fit with with the left. It is all together fitting they would nominate someone to the Supreme Court who views her wisdom based on ethnicity and not on truth...i.e. ... wise Latinia.... racists true & true.....

riiiiiiiiiight.

Video from last-night in Tampa, showing the wingnuts disrupting everything and generally causing chaos.

Glen Beck has to be laughing his ass off today.


http://www.dailykostv.com/w/002028/

(08-07-2009 04:29 AM)RockyMtnRamfan Wrote:  

(08-07-2009 12:23 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(08-06-2009 11:37 PM)RockyMtnRamfan Wrote:  

(08-06-2009 11:30 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-06-2009 11:27 PM)RockyMtnRamfan Wrote:  It's the South. These people are old, fat and in bad shape. They probably already are living off of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. They look like hypocrites when they are protesting something they live off.

Great astroturfing by the corporations = teabaggers/birthers/healthers (all of these people are around the same age and ethnic background). These people just took off the Klan suits. They really know how to pander to the lowest common denominator.

How much time have you spent in the south?
You obviously consider yourself an expert, and I'm just trying to understand the basis for your expertise.

I haven't spent any time in the true South (SC, GA, MS, TN, WV, KY, TX, OK, AR, LA and AL). But friends that I have met at work have flocked from the South to the West. They were surprised about discussing politics openly in public, people not going to church on a regular basis, great infrastructure, etc. Quite honestly they were culture shocked.

Like you, stupid ,fat, openly homosexual.

This has to be irony. You just described yourself, because I am not any of those.

As I scroll through the things people have taken the time to write about you with a Reputation of -17 , I have to stand by my determination that you are stupid ,fat, openly homosexual.

(08-07-2009 08:36 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-07-2009 07:45 AM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(08-06-2009 09:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-06-2009 08:26 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  well, it's starting.
http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.asp...86&catid=8
http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/ar...025529.ece

What's starting?

I think there will be alot more chaos over this before it's finished, sadly.

I think you are right.
You have a president who told his followers to "get in the face" of opponents.
Now the other side is using the same tactics, for the first time ever.
Each side is more concerned about getting their way than about moving forward.
There is no way this ends well.

No kidding... I'm glad I live in a VERY SAFE Republican District and know very well my Congressman's opinion on the Health Care issue.

But you never know what "Out of District" thugs will show up..

Those Southerners, nothing ever changes in the 3rd world.

Look at all of the healthcare protesters/birthers/new earthers/teabaggers.

All of them are about the same age, race, socio-economic, etc. One interview the guy even said he worked for pharma. Pawns all of them.

http://www.dailykostv.com/w/002028/

What, no mention of the black man who was assaulted and hospitalized at a townhall meeting? Hasn't this been the wet dream of all you libs? Why is this not the bold headline in all the papers? Where is the 24 hour coverage on the networks? Isn't this the event that has been prayed for so that broad brush of racism can be applied to everyone against Obama's nightmare plan?

What you say Willis? He was a Conservative? It was Obama's dispatched jackboot brownshirts that did the assaulting? Oh, that explaines the silence. Never mind.

http://www.infowars.com/clash-at-health-...-thuggery/
http://cofcc.org/?p=6077
http://community.thenest.com/cs/ks/forum...96799.aspx

(08-07-2009 07:22 PM)RockyMtnRamfan Wrote:  Those Southerners, nothing ever changes in the 3rd world.

Look at all of the healthcare protesters/birthers/new earthers/teabaggers.

All of them are about the same age, race, socio-economic, etc. One interview the guy even said he worked for pharma. Pawns all of them.

http://www.dailykostv.com/w/002028/

You'd rather they be like you, stupid ,fat, openly homosexual.

FuckTheDailyKos

Man, this thread just blew up today.

(08-07-2009 09:27 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Man, this thread just blew up today.

I did my part.