(06-22-2025 03:20 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 03:09 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 09:37 AM)hburg Wrote:  If you notice the left has changed some of their messaging. For example, they are using the no new wars against Trump. Never mind the war with Hamas/Iran started October 7. They are also fear mongering about sending troops.. Which will not happen.

Quoting only for posterity. You'll retcon your justifications about why it had to happen later same as the rest of this board. Iran is going to retaliate and kill American's, I wish they wouldn't but that's just reality. There is no level of bombing campaign short of nukes that's going to succeed in completely eliminating their ability to strike targets and continue surviving, see the Houthis. We can eliminate their entire navy and they'll still have the ability to strike targets in the Strait of Hormuz and effectively close it.

Also, there's this insane duality about Iranian actions/thought processes. That they are on the one hand completely deranged and want death to Israel and the US at all costs and can never negotiate in good faith, and on the other that you can somehow bomb them into "acting rationally" and seeking peace. These 2 things literally can't be true at the same time.

That’s not necessarily true. Because both can be true at the same time. The threat of complete destruction of the Iranian leadership can be a powerful influencer. The Ayatollah hasn’t survived this long without prioritizing preservation of power and maintain the revolution as a status quo. So, he has two options. 1) Martydom and likely the end of the Iranian Revolution government or self preservation and cut a deal while making it look like to the Iranian people that they dealt a blow to the US and Israel. That’s a tougher proposition for them now but both options exist at the same time. It’s really Khamenei’s choice.

No they don't, because if they are rational enough to cut deals for self preservation then they are not completely deranged and irrational actors. Also, what reasonable deal could Iran strike at this point that the US and Israel would accept and wouldn't result in him ending up being Gaddafi 2.0 in short order? There's a reason Israel keeps saying any deal needs to look like a "Libya deal", and actual self preservation says that you don't accept that deal. A "rational" actor would look at the choices of likely dying via a bomb vs dying the way Gaddafi did and go with option 1 every single time.

(06-22-2025 03:27 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 03:17 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 03:09 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  The only thing stopping us from sinking their actual warships in 24 hours (17 total frigates / corvettes / subs) is if they get really good at hide and seek.

The last time the Iranian navy tangled with the US Navy they lost two frigates to aircraft in an hours long engagement. Four A6s took out two of their largest warships. They still use the same frigate class to this day (they just copied the design and started making them there).

17? Did you even read what you quoted? They supposedly have 226 ships, including subs.

Go look at their fleet markup by class. 7 frigates, 7 corvettes, 3 attack subs. Those are the only armed ships they have displacing more than 500 Tons.

The rest of their surface fleet is a brown water navy of PBs that is toast to aircraft without shore based umbrella of air defense. F18s hunting them down like ducks in a pond.

The straight will be within the operational range of three carrier groups. If they wanted to put them on the bottom they would be on the bottom.

I looked them up. You did NOT say warships the first time.

And I didn't say we couldn't sink them. I said we couldn't sink them ALL, meaning ALL of them, not just WARSHIPS, "in less than a day."

P.S. This is twice today that you tried to change what you originally posted.

(06-22-2025 03:00 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

And we know no DEI hires were on the mission because the B2's landed right side up..........

(06-22-2025 09:22 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 09:10 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 08:57 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 08:53 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 08:48 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Generally speaking the president has engaged in limited military action for up to 90 days without congressional approval.

What are you talking about? The Los Angeles riots before this? An appeals court has already ruled in his favor.

The attack last night? You think we shouldn't take out Iran's nuclear capability, when we are the only ones who can do it?

But beyond that, would you like a list of presidents who have taken military action without congressional approval? It is similar to the list of presidents who have served in office.

Can you not read?

I said that generally other presidents have engaged in limited military action for up to 90 days without congressional approval. Trumps actions are in line with what other presidents have done without congressional approvals.

Who is talking about LA? This thread is about Iran.

Read your sentence again. Since we are talking about Trump, you said "THE president, NOT OTHER presidents or ALL presidents, so I took that to mean Trump.

And you did NOT add the clarifying sentence then that you did this time, about being in line with other presidential actions.

Can you not construct sentences that make your point clear?

I made my point quite clear, you are just so ate up with MAGA syndrome you argued with me when I agreed with you.

One would think a person of your station could form a correct sentence. The one in question was anything but clear. Accept that you goofed up and move on, geez, it doesn't have to be this difficult.

(06-22-2025 03:27 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 03:22 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 03:15 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 03:09 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 09:37 AM)hburg Wrote:  If you notice the left has changed some of their messaging. For example, they are using the no new wars against Trump. Never mind the war with Hamas/Iran started October 7. They are also fear mongering about sending troops.. Which will not happen.

Quoting only for posterity. You'll retcon your justifications about why it had to happen later same as the rest of this board. Iran is going to retaliate and kill American's, I wish they wouldn't but that's just reality. There is no level of bombing campaign short of nukes that's going to succeed in completely eliminating their ability to strike targets and continue surviving, see the Houthis. We can eliminate their entire navy and they'll still have the ability to strike targets in the Strait of Hormuz and effectively close it.

Also, there's this insane duality about Iranian actions/thought processes. That they are on the one hand completely deranged and want death to Israel and the US at all costs and can never negotiate in good faith, and on the other that you can somehow bomb them into "acting rationally" and seeking peace. These 2 things literally can't be true at the same time.

The residents of Japan would disagree. We nuked their radical religion practically out of existence

Even the deranged have their limits

I literally said in my post short of nuking them. Are you saying you support the idea of nuking them?

Yes. Add up the total of force.

Weve practiicaly nuked them already

You can't be this retarded, this has to be trolling. I've gone back and forth on if you are retarded or a troll for a long time. This proves it has to be trolling. Thanks for finally answering the question.

(06-22-2025 09:25 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 08:51 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 08:28 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(06-21-2025 08:06 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Fox reporting that the US dropped SIX bunker busters on Fordow. It has been "completely obliterated."

The other two sites were taken care of by 30 Tomahawk missiles launched from US submarines tonight, some 400 miles away.

That’s $30M for what two B1s could have done with a full load of JDAMs ($800k).

If the Israelis have eliminated their air defenses there is no reason to use high dollar Tomahawks vs cheap JDAMs.

So, you’re now calling the shots?

It’s not even Monday morning yet…

Yeah no kidding..
the funniest part of Elvis’s post is the fact that he’s pointing out spending yet never said a word, not one peep, about USAID, for example, spending billions of taxpayer dollars on things like sex change operations on donkeys in Borneo or drag shows for trans senior citizens in Kazakhstan etc. etc.
The baked in lib hypocrisy is truly incredible.

Libs can’t ever be in charge of anything. Ever.

We can see the results for ourselves when they are in charge. Normal people didn't and still don't like it and hence DJT.

(06-22-2025 03:16 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 02:57 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 01:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 08:28 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Its time to lullaby Khamenei.

Not us. I don't know that its a good idea for the Israelis either to make him a matyr.

Leave it alone now. They won’t be pursuing a nuke again for likely decades.

Let the Iranian people do the heavy lifting from here on.

What a tremendous track record there is of that working out well...

Perhaps not.

Also not our problem or obligation.

We and Israel took care of the clear and present danger, let the owners of the place fix their own digs.

Surprise. The head of the UN just condemned our actions in Iran last night.

Why haven't we kicked them out of NYC yet?

(06-22-2025 03:35 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 03:16 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 02:57 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 01:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 08:28 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Its time to lullaby Khamenei.

Not us. I don't know that its a good idea for the Israelis either to make him a matyr.

Leave it alone now. They won’t be pursuing a nuke again for likely decades.

Let the Iranian people do the heavy lifting from here on.

What a tremendous track record there is of that working out well...

Perhaps not.

Also not our problem or obligation.

We and Israel took care of the clear and present danger, let the owners of the place fix their own digs.

Name 1 single time we've done that, and name one single time it didn't eventually become a bigger problem than the problem we overthrew in the first place. I'll wait...

(06-22-2025 09:23 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 09:20 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The second guessing of the type of weapons to employ in the name of economy is perhaps the most asinine notion I have ever read on this messageboard.

Exactly. Mind boggling, isn't it?

When I read things like that, it reinforces my belief that in many cases, lefties are missing something in their deductive reasoning mechanisms.

Hence the pejorative term "liberal logic" to indicate a complete lack of logic or reason. It's a great term, very apt, since there is no logic involved with liberal thought processes.

(06-22-2025 09:36 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 09:06 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 08:57 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Can you not read?

I said that generally other presidents have engaged in limited military action for up to 90 days without congressional approval. Trumps actions are in line with what other presidents have done without congressional approvals.

Who is talking about LA? This thread is about Iran.

No one gives a flip how you feel about anything. The American people soundly rejected your sick, twisted ideology and party and told you to sit down and shut up.

Your pathetic little group of 20 year old woke handlers are no longer running things.

And that’s 100% dead-on right.

Liberals are nuts and, because sanity won, they are now irrelevant. And we are all better for it.

Don't turn your back to them though. They still want to poke holes in your white ass.

(06-22-2025 09:42 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 09:39 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Are any of the Dems gonna go visit the regime in Iran? Maybe have a margarita with them?

They should send the queers for Palestine group over first.

Some people have to learn the hard way.

Stop threatening them with a good time.

(06-22-2025 09:59 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 09:58 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 09:50 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 09:46 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Muslim philosophy doesn't apply to Leftist Gays, right?

They probably see them as "people who are also oppressed by Biblical values" or some crap. They can say what they will about our Judeo-Christian-based culture. We don't want to kill them. (Not at our core, anyway. I know there are wackos of any religion and ideology out there. Those are the exception to the rule.)

They hate our guts more than anyone in the world, yet we believe they have a right to be the biggest freak shows in the world as long as they keep it away from children.

Islamist would cut there heads off before they could ever paint a single eyelash or put in a single piercing.

But Conservatives and Christians are who they hate the most, not the people actually beheading gays in Muslim nations across the globe.

Another dead-on assessment….

Brutally honest.

(06-22-2025 03:36 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Surprise. The head of the UN just condemned our actions in Iran last night.

Why haven't we kicked them out of NYC yet?

They're never going to be kicked out. It's a pipe dream that will never come to fruition. I'm sure Trump wants to, but someone in his inner circle is telling him not to do it.

(06-22-2025 09:58 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 09:50 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 09:46 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Muslim philosophy doesn't apply to Leftist Gays, right?

They probably see them as "people who are also oppressed by Biblical values" or some crap. They can say what they will about our Judeo-Christian-based culture. We don't want to kill them. (Not at our core, anyway. I know there are wackos of any religion and ideology out there. Those are the exception to the rule.)

They hate our guts more than anyone in the world, yet we believe they have a right to be the biggest freak shows in the world as long as they keep it away from children.

Islamists would cut their heads off before they could ever paint a single eyelash or put in a single piercing.

But Conservatives and Christians are who they hate the most, not the people actually beheading gays in Muslim nations across the globe.

(06-22-2025 03:29 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 03:20 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 03:09 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 09:37 AM)hburg Wrote:  If you notice the left has changed some of their messaging. For example, they are using the no new wars against Trump. Never mind the war with Hamas/Iran started October 7. They are also fear mongering about sending troops.. Which will not happen.

Quoting only for posterity. You'll retcon your justifications about why it had to happen later same as the rest of this board. Iran is going to retaliate and kill American's, I wish they wouldn't but that's just reality. There is no level of bombing campaign short of nukes that's going to succeed in completely eliminating their ability to strike targets and continue surviving, see the Houthis. We can eliminate their entire navy and they'll still have the ability to strike targets in the Strait of Hormuz and effectively close it.

Also, there's this insane duality about Iranian actions/thought processes. That they are on the one hand completely deranged and want death to Israel and the US at all costs and can never negotiate in good faith, and on the other that you can somehow bomb them into "acting rationally" and seeking peace. These 2 things literally can't be true at the same time.

That’s not necessarily true. Because both can be true at the same time. The threat of complete destruction of the Iranian leadership can be a powerful influencer. The Ayatollah hasn’t survived this long without prioritizing preservation of power and maintain the revolution as a status quo. So, he has two options. 1) Martydom and likely the end of the Iranian Revolution government or self preservation and cut a deal while making it look like to the Iranian people that they dealt a blow to the US and Israel. That’s a tougher proposition for them now but both options exist at the same time. It’s really Khamenei’s choice.

No they don't, because if they are rational enough to cut deals for self preservation then they are not completely deranged and irrational actors. Also, what reasonable deal could Iran strike at this point that the US and Israel would accept and wouldn't result in him ending up being Gaddafi 2.0 in short order? There's a reason Israel keeps saying any deal needs to look like a "Libya deal", and actual self preservation says that you don't accept that deal. A "rational" actor would look at the choices of likely dying via a bomb vs dying the way Gaddafi did and go with option 1 every single time.

This is about a simple of a perspective and a perfect example of why American policy has failed to get Iran right for five decades. I will offer you an equally simple example that disproves this theory.

Take a serial killer that maims and dismembers his victims. We could agree I’m sure as reasonable people anyone who conducts such actions is not a rational person when it comes to their acts of violence. But then the same person turns around and seeks a plea deal to avoid the death penalty. This example shows that a completely irrational person can make what seems like an otherwise rational decision for self preservation.

Iran is completely irrational when it comes to the international community which is why they have had no problem deploying their proxies around the globe to kill and undermine other states. But otherwise has what appears to be sane and rational decision making processes when it comes ensuring the viability of its regime. What I’ve described here is even an overly simplistic perspective. The Iranian regime is complex and I will just leave it at that.

(06-22-2025 03:37 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 03:35 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 03:16 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 02:57 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 01:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  Not us. I don't know that its a good idea for the Israelis either to make him a matyr.

Leave it alone now. They won’t be pursuing a nuke again for likely decades.

Let the Iranian people do the heavy lifting from here on.

What a tremendous track record there is of that working out well...

Perhaps not.

Also not our problem or obligation.

We and Israel took care of the clear and present danger, let the owners of the place fix their own digs.

Name 1 single time we've done that, and name one single time it didn't eventually become a bigger problem than the problem we overthrew in the first place. I'll wait...

Who’s “we’ve”? This isn’t the 30 yo policy gang from decades past, but I guess we’ll see.

And this is not like other engagements. This was about a specific target, 3 of them, the nuke sites.

(06-22-2025 03:02 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 02:53 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  2 days at most.

LOL. Sink 226 vessels in two days? Plus, good luck with the 26 submarines and mini-subs.

The US has about 480 ships of various types. Think somebody could sink all of them in 4 days?

I know you arent trying to say that the only way we would destroy Iran's Navy is with just our ships... I mean, if that were the case where only boats could fire upon other boats, you might have a point, it might take a week... but our Navy also includes thousands of aircraft and then we have the, you know, air force, and then we have bombs that can be shot from hundreds of miles away....

Their navy would be destroyed in a matter of 2 days.