(06-22-2025 02:32 PM)TripleA Wrote:  We are not sinking all of this in less than a day.

Elvis, you really need to back up and start your day over.

Quote:Iran has two main naval forces: the Islamic Republic of Iran Navy (IRIN) and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy (IRGCN).

The IRIN has approximately 100 vessels, including ships and submarines. The IRGCN has a much larger fleet of surface warfare vessels, including around 126, plus amphibious and auxiliary ships, according to Wikipedia.

According to Warpower: Iran, the IRIN has 97 hulls including surface combatants, offshore patrol/attack vessels, amphibious assault ships, and auxiliaries.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

Islamic Republic of Iran Navy (IRIN):

Includes frigates, corvettes, fast attack craft, patrol boats, and amphibious ships.

Also operates submarines and auxiliary ships.

According to World Directory of Modern Military Warships, the IRIN has 67 total units in its active naval inventory.

Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy (IRGCN):

Primarily operates a large number of smaller, faster, and more agile vessels.

Includes speedboats, patrol boats, and missile-equipped craft.

Also operates some amphibious and auxiliary ships.

According to Wikipedia, the IRGCN has around 126 surface warfare vessels, 5 amphibious vessels, and 3 auxiliary ships.

Quote:Iran has a submarine force of approximately 26 vessels, primarily under the control of the Islamic Republic of Iran Navy (IRIN), with some potentially utilized by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy (IRGC).

This force includes several Kilo-class submarines (known as Tareq-class in Iran), Fateh-class submarines, and numerous Ghadir-class mini-submarines. Iran does not possess nuclear-powered submarines, according to Euronews.com and Globe Composite Solutions.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

Kilo-class (Tareq-class):
Iran operates three of these Russian-built diesel-electric submarines, known for their ability to lay mines and launch cruise missiles.

Fateh-class:
Iran has two of these domestically produced coastal submarines.

Ghadir-class:
A large number of these mini-submarines are in service, designed for operations in shallow waters.

Other:
There's also mention of a prototype Besat-class submarine (also known as Qaaem).

2 days at most.

(06-22-2025 01:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 08:28 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Its time to lullaby Khamenei.

Not us. I don't know that its a good idea for the Israelis either to make him a matyr.

Leave it alone now. They won’t be pursuing a nuke again for likely decades.

Let the Iranian people do the heavy lifting from here on.

(06-22-2025 02:53 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  2 days at most.

LOL. Sink 226 vessels in two days? Plus, good luck with the 26 submarines and mini-subs.

The US has about 480 ships of various types. Think somebody could sink all of them in 4 days?

(06-22-2025 01:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 09:41 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 09:37 AM)hburg Wrote:  If you notice the left has changed some of their messaging. For example, they are using the no new wars against Trump. Never mind the war with Hamas/Iran started October 7. They are also fear mongering about sending troops.. Which will not happen.

And Russia invaded Ukraine on Biden's watch. Well, not Biden. The unelected weasels behind the curtain.

They did it under Obama. Sat still with Trump in charge, then expanded their invasion under Biden.

Under Sloes* invitation.

“If it’s only a small incursion”…

How’d that work out loons?

(06-22-2025 08:30 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Lol! Elvis is now a military expert. Shades of Tom.

Them two need to start their own business with all that experience and knowledge.

The Obama people were wrong on Iran. They thought placating them would work. Most of the US leadership and policy making has failed to understand Iran. First, the statement made above misses the mark because this has nothing to do with the Iranian people. It’s the Iranian regime. Second, most in the previous administrations still have failed or chosen not to understand that the revolution is predicated on a very narrow view of Islam. And ever decision made is to spread their version of Islam across the region. Failure to understand this ensures they always ensures the sites are setup off line. There is a reason why Iran accepted Obama’s deal and not Trumps. One allowed for the nuke to happen and the other didn’t. Obtaining it was a necessary part of the Ayatollah’s plan to expand influence and thus the narrow version of Islam.

(06-22-2025 02:32 PM)TripleA Wrote:  We are not sinking all of this in less than a day.

Elvis, you really need to back up and start your day over.

Quote:Iran has two main naval forces: the Islamic Republic of Iran Navy (IRIN) and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy (IRGCN).

The IRIN has approximately 100 vessels, including ships and submarines. The IRGCN has a much larger fleet of surface warfare vessels, including around 126, plus amphibious and auxiliary ships, according to Wikipedia.

According to Warpower: Iran, the IRIN has 97 hulls including surface combatants, offshore patrol/attack vessels, amphibious assault ships, and auxiliaries.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

Islamic Republic of Iran Navy (IRIN):

Includes frigates, corvettes, fast attack craft, patrol boats, and amphibious ships.

Also operates submarines and auxiliary ships.

According to World Directory of Modern Military Warships, the IRIN has 67 total units in its active naval inventory.

Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy (IRGCN):

Primarily operates a large number of smaller, faster, and more agile vessels.

Includes speedboats, patrol boats, and missile-equipped craft.

Also operates some amphibious and auxiliary ships.

According to Wikipedia, the IRGCN has around 126 surface warfare vessels, 5 amphibious vessels, and 3 auxiliary ships.

Quote:Iran has a submarine force of approximately 26 vessels, primarily under the control of the Islamic Republic of Iran Navy (IRIN), with some potentially utilized by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy (IRGC).

This force includes several Kilo-class submarines (known as Tareq-class in Iran), Fateh-class submarines, and numerous Ghadir-class mini-submarines. Iran does not possess nuclear-powered submarines, according to Euronews.com and Globe Composite Solutions.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

Kilo-class (Tareq-class):
Iran operates three of these Russian-built diesel-electric submarines, known for their ability to lay mines and launch cruise missiles.

Fateh-class:
Iran has two of these domestically produced coastal submarines.

Ghadir-class:
A large number of these mini-submarines are in service, designed for operations in shallow waters.

Other:
There's also mention of a prototype Besat-class submarine (also known as Qaaem).

The only thing stopping us from sinking their actual warships in 24 hours (17 total frigates / corvettes / subs) is if they get really good at hide and seek.

The last time the Iranian navy tangled with the US Navy they lost two frigates to aircraft in an hours long engagement. Four A6s took out two of their largest warships. They still use the same frigate class to this day (they just copied the design and started making them there).

Monitoring the UN Security Council and of course China and Russia condemn the strikes. Which shows again the left is aligned with our enemies. It’s pretty clear those who oppose what happened last night want to see America destroyed. Including liberal Americans.

(06-22-2025 09:37 AM)hburg Wrote:  If you notice the left has changed some of their messaging. For example, they are using the no new wars against Trump. Never mind the war with Hamas/Iran started October 7. They are also fear mongering about sending troops.. Which will not happen.

Quoting only for posterity. You'll retcon your justifications about why it had to happen later same as the rest of this board. Iran is going to retaliate and kill American's, I wish they wouldn't but that's just reality. There is no level of bombing campaign short of nukes that's going to succeed in completely eliminating their ability to strike targets and continue surviving, see the Houthis. We can eliminate their entire navy and they'll still have the ability to strike targets in the Strait of Hormuz and effectively close it.

Also, there's this insane duality about Iranian actions/thought processes. That they are on the one hand completely deranged and want death to Israel and the US at all costs and can never negotiate in good faith, and on the other that you can somehow bomb them into "acting rationally" and seeking peace. These 2 things literally can't be true at the same time.

(06-22-2025 03:09 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 09:37 AM)hburg Wrote:  If you notice the left has changed some of their messaging. For example, they are using the no new wars against Trump. Never mind the war with Hamas/Iran started October 7. They are also fear mongering about sending troops.. Which will not happen.

Quoting only for posterity. You'll retcon your justifications about why it had to happen later same as the rest of this board. Iran is going to retaliate and kill American's, I wish they wouldn't but that's just reality. There is no level of bombing campaign short of nukes that's going to succeed in completely eliminating their ability to strike targets and continue surviving, see the Houthis. We can eliminate their entire navy and they'll still have the ability to strike targets in the Strait of Hormuz and effectively close it.

Also, there's this insane duality about Iranian actions/thought processes. That they are on the one hand completely deranged and want death to Israel and the US at all costs and can never negotiate in good faith, and on the other that you can somehow bomb them into "acting rationally" and seeking peace. These 2 things literally can't be true at the same time.

The residents of Japan would disagree. We nuked their radical religion practically out of existence

Even the deranged have their limits

(06-22-2025 02:57 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 01:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 08:28 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Its time to lullaby Khamenei.

Not us. I don't know that its a good idea for the Israelis either to make him a matyr.

Leave it alone now. They won’t be pursuing a nuke again for likely decades.

Let the Iranian people do the heavy lifting from here on.

What a tremendous track record there is of that working out well...

(06-22-2025 03:09 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  The only thing stopping us from sinking their actual warships in 24 hours (17 total frigates / corvettes / subs) is if they get really good at hide and seek.

The last time the Iranian navy tangled with the US Navy they lost two frigates to aircraft in an hours long engagement. Four A6s took out two of their largest warships. They still use the same frigate class to this day (they just copied the design and started making them there).

17? Did you even read what you quoted? They supposedly have 226 ships, including subs.

And you didn't say "warships" the first time.

(06-22-2025 03:09 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 09:37 AM)hburg Wrote:  If you notice the left has changed some of their messaging. For example, they are using the no new wars against Trump. Never mind the war with Hamas/Iran started October 7. They are also fear mongering about sending troops.. Which will not happen.

Quoting only for posterity. You'll retcon your justifications about why it had to happen later same as the rest of this board. Iran is going to retaliate and kill American's, I wish they wouldn't but that's just reality. There is no level of bombing campaign short of nukes that's going to succeed in completely eliminating their ability to strike targets and continue surviving, see the Houthis. We can eliminate their entire navy and they'll still have the ability to strike targets in the Strait of Hormuz and effectively close it.

Also, there's this insane duality about Iranian actions/thought processes. That they are on the one hand completely deranged and want death to Israel and the US at all costs and can never negotiate in good faith, and on the other that you can somehow bomb them into "acting rationally" and seeking peace. These 2 things literally can't be true at the same time.

That’s not necessarily true. Because both can be true at the same time. The threat of complete destruction of the Iranian leadership can be a powerful influencer. The Ayatollah hasn’t survived this long without prioritizing preservation of power and maintain the revolution as a status quo. So, he has two options. 1) Martydom and likely the end of the Iranian Revolution government or self preservation and cut a deal while making it look like to the Iranian people that they dealt a blow to the US and Israel. That’s a tougher proposition for them now but both options exist at the same time. It’s really Khamenei’s choice.

(06-22-2025 03:15 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 03:09 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 09:37 AM)hburg Wrote:  If you notice the left has changed some of their messaging. For example, they are using the no new wars against Trump. Never mind the war with Hamas/Iran started October 7. They are also fear mongering about sending troops.. Which will not happen.

Quoting only for posterity. You'll retcon your justifications about why it had to happen later same as the rest of this board. Iran is going to retaliate and kill American's, I wish they wouldn't but that's just reality. There is no level of bombing campaign short of nukes that's going to succeed in completely eliminating their ability to strike targets and continue surviving, see the Houthis. We can eliminate their entire navy and they'll still have the ability to strike targets in the Strait of Hormuz and effectively close it.

Also, there's this insane duality about Iranian actions/thought processes. That they are on the one hand completely deranged and want death to Israel and the US at all costs and can never negotiate in good faith, and on the other that you can somehow bomb them into "acting rationally" and seeking peace. These 2 things literally can't be true at the same time.

The residents of Japan would disagree. We nuked their radical religion practically out of existence

Even the deranged have their limits

I literally said in my post short of nuking them. Are you saying you support the idea of nuking them?

(06-22-2025 08:57 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 08:53 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 08:48 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 08:38 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 08:36 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Question for AI: Did bill Clinton seek permission from congress before bombing Serbia?

"President Bill Clinton did not seek formal permission from Congress before initiating NATO's bombing campaign against Serbia in 1999, known as Operation Allied Force. The military action, which began on March 24, 1999, was conducted under NATO's auspices to address the Kosovo crisis, specifically Serbia's actions against ethnic Albanians. Clinton justified the intervention on humanitarian grounds, citing the need to prevent genocide and regional destabilization, and relied on his authority as Commander-in-Chief to engage U.S. forces.

In short, Clinton acted unilaterally to initiate the bombing, informed Congress as required, but did not receive explicit congressional approval, sparking debate over the War Powers Resolution’s application."

The reader may recall the USA had nothing at stake in the conflict and yet it occurred without congressional authorization and the Dem's went along with it.

In contrast, a nuclear armed Iran is a material threat to the USA.

Yeah, but...but...ORANGE MAN BAD! REEEEEE! /sarcasm

Hypocrites.

Generally speaking the president has engaged in limited military action for up to 90 days without congressional approval.

What are you talking about? The Los Angeles riots before this? An appeals court has already ruled in his favor.

The attack last night? You think we shouldn't take out Iran's nuclear capability, when we are the only ones who can do it?

But beyond that, would you like a list of presidents who have taken military action without congressional approval? It is similar to the list of presidents who have served in office.

Can you not read?

I said that generally other presidents have engaged in limited military action for up to 90 days without congressional approval. Trumps actions are in line with what other presidents have done without congressional approvals.

Who is talking about LA? This thread is about Iran.

No, you said "the" president. I figured you meant all POTUS's though, otherwise the sentence is grammatically incorrect.

(06-22-2025 03:17 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 03:09 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  The only thing stopping us from sinking their actual warships in 24 hours (17 total frigates / corvettes / subs) is if they get really good at hide and seek.

The last time the Iranian navy tangled with the US Navy they lost two frigates to aircraft in an hours long engagement. Four A6s took out two of their largest warships. They still use the same frigate class to this day (they just copied the design and started making them there).

17? Did you even read what you quoted? They supposedly have 226 ships, including subs.

Go look at their fleet markup by class. 7 frigates, 7 corvettes, 3 attack subs. Those are the only armed ships they have displacing more than 500 Tons.

The rest of their surface fleet is a brown water navy of PBs that is toast to aircraft without shore based umbrella of air defense. F18s hunting them down like ducks in a pond.

The straight will be within the operational range of three carrier groups. If they wanted to put them on the bottom they would be on the bottom.

(06-22-2025 09:06 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 08:57 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Can you not read?

I said that generally other presidents have engaged in limited military action for up to 90 days without congressional approval. Trumps actions are in line with what other presidents have done without congressional approvals.

Who is talking about LA? This thread is about Iran.

No one gives a flip how you feel about anything. The American people soundly rejected your sick, twisted ideology and party and told you to sit down and shut up.

Your pathetic little group of 20 year old woke handlers are no longer running things.

That's right...

(06-22-2025 03:22 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 03:15 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 03:09 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-22-2025 09:37 AM)hburg Wrote:  If you notice the left has changed some of their messaging. For example, they are using the no new wars against Trump. Never mind the war with Hamas/Iran started October 7. They are also fear mongering about sending troops.. Which will not happen.

Quoting only for posterity. You'll retcon your justifications about why it had to happen later same as the rest of this board. Iran is going to retaliate and kill American's, I wish they wouldn't but that's just reality. There is no level of bombing campaign short of nukes that's going to succeed in completely eliminating their ability to strike targets and continue surviving, see the Houthis. We can eliminate their entire navy and they'll still have the ability to strike targets in the Strait of Hormuz and effectively close it.

Also, there's this insane duality about Iranian actions/thought processes. That they are on the one hand completely deranged and want death to Israel and the US at all costs and can never negotiate in good faith, and on the other that you can somehow bomb them into "acting rationally" and seeking peace. These 2 things literally can't be true at the same time.

The residents of Japan would disagree. We nuked their radical religion practically out of existence

Even the deranged have their limits

I literally said in my post short of nuking them. Are you saying you support the idea of nuking them?

Yes. Add up the total of force.

Weve practiicaly nuked them already



America's first foreign war was the First Barbary War, fought against the Barbary pirates of North Africa from 1801 to 1805. The conflict arose from the Barbary States' practice of attacking American merchant ships and demanding tribute for safe passage. President Thomas Jefferson refused to pay, leading to the declaration of war by Tripoli.


Weve been dealing with these aholes since 1800