(11-08-2019 05:54 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  As of the recent additions, Arizona State is the lone remaining ARWU Top 58 school that is not in the AAU.

http://www.shanghairanking.com/World-Uni...9/USA.html

Tufts
Cal-Riverside
UMass

join Arizona St as Top 66 ARWU schools not in the AAU. I would not be surprised if the next AAU additions come from these four schools.

Note: Dartmouth is in the 95-116 ARWU rank category, joining Brandeis, Buffalo, Oregon and Colorado in that category and Tulane (117-137 category) as the worst ARWU-ranked AAU members.

I don't remember who compiles it, but there's another ranking that specifically lists per capita research accomplishments, ie per the number of research faculty at the school. Smaller private universities like Dartmouth and Brandeis look better in per capita rankings, and those rankings put Caltech way ahead of everyone else.

(11-08-2019 05:54 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 03:45 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  ARWU list.

http://www.shanghairanking.com/World-Uni...7/USA.html

Top 60 ARWU, but not in AAU:

University of California, Santa Cruz
Arizona State
University of Utah

Presumably, these schools are high on the list.

Not surprised by Utah or Cal-Santa Cruz, given their ARWU ranks.

As of the recent additions, Arizona State is the lone remaining ARWU Top 58 school that is not in the AAU.

http://www.shanghairanking.com/World-Uni...9/USA.html

Tufts
Cal-Riverside
UMass

join Arizona St as Top 66 ARWU schools not in the AAU. I would not be surprised if the next AAU additions come from these four schools.

Note: Dartmouth is in the 95-116 ARWU rank category, joining Brandeis, Buffalo, Oregon and Colorado in that category and Tulane (117-137 category) as the worst ARWU-ranked AAU members.

University of British Columbia would also be on the next list. They are #2 behind Toronto who is in the AAU. Top 25 research university in North America.

(03-24-2018 09:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  If things haven't changed and the AAU suddenly decided to invite 10 new members, my guess is that they would be
Dartmouth
Utah
UC-Santa Cruz
RPI
Wake Forest
Miami-FL
Illinois-Chicago
Colorado St.
Oregon St.
George Washington

Now GW might be mostly medical school, so it might be UC-Riverside in such a theoretical expansion.

Good call—your top 3 just got in

(11-08-2019 08:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-24-2018 09:17 PM)McKinney Wrote:  By the 2018 USNR National Rankings.

1. Dartmouth College
2. University of Notre Dame
3. Georgetown University
4. Wake Forest University
5. Tufts University
6. Boston College
7. College of William and Mary
8. Northeastern University
9. Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
10. Lehigh University

Dartmouth is in the AAU.

Looking at this list, it appears that AAU favors big behemoth universities with size and scale.

So my USF, which is big and has invested in research, should be on the path to AAU membership I guess.

Only certain fields of research. They don't count ag research (which is Nebraska's specialty) or public administration (Syracuse's specialty).

(11-09-2019 01:15 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(11-08-2019 08:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-24-2018 09:17 PM)McKinney Wrote:  By the 2018 USNR National Rankings.

1. Dartmouth College
2. University of Notre Dame
3. Georgetown University
4. Wake Forest University
5. Tufts University
6. Boston College
7. College of William and Mary
8. Northeastern University
9. Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
10. Lehigh University

Dartmouth is in the AAU.

Looking at this list, it appears that AAU favors big behemoth universities with size and scale.

So my USF, which is big and has invested in research, should be on the path to AAU membership I guess.

Only certain fields of research. They don't count ag research (which is Nebraska's specialty) or public administration (Syracuse's specialty).

AAU is outdated. AG research is very important today. I think D1 could their own version of the AAU, and invite schools in certain areas. AG research is important today more than what the AAU thinks. Research on feeding the people, and convert plants into ethanol. Even marine research is important as well.

I think it's not the type of research, it's whether or not the grants are competitively awarded. A lot of Ag research is earmarked to certain schools rather than competed for.

(11-08-2019 05:54 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 03:45 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  ARWU list.

http://www.shanghairanking.com/World-Uni...7/USA.html

Top 60 ARWU, but not in AAU:

University of California, Santa Cruz
Arizona State
University of Utah

Presumably, these schools are high on the list.

Not surprised by Utah or Cal-Santa Cruz, given their ARWU ranks.

As of the recent additions, Arizona State is the lone remaining ARWU Top 58 school that is not in the AAU.

http://www.shanghairanking.com/World-Uni...9/USA.html

Tufts
Cal-Riverside
UMass

join Arizona St as Top 66 ARWU schools not in the AAU. I would not be surprised if the next AAU additions come from these four schools.

Note: Dartmouth is in the 95-116 ARWU rank category, joining Brandeis, Buffalo, Oregon and Colorado in that category and Tulane (117-137 category) as the worst ARWU-ranked AAU members.

Colorado is ranked 38th internationally and 25th nationally, tied with Illinois.

(11-08-2019 03:37 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(03-24-2018 09:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  If things haven't changed and the AAU suddenly decided to invite 10 new members, my guess is that they would be
Dartmouth
Utah
UC-Santa Cruz
RPI
Wake Forest
Miami-FL
Illinois-Chicago
Colorado St.
Oregon St.
George Washington

Now GW might be mostly medical school, so it might be UC-Riverside in such a theoretical expansion.

Good call—your top 3 just got in

No better predictor than their own ratings.

(11-09-2019 10:55 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-08-2019 03:37 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(03-24-2018 09:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  If things haven't changed and the AAU suddenly decided to invite 10 new members, my guess is that they would be
Dartmouth
Utah
UC-Santa Cruz
RPI
Wake Forest
Miami-FL
Illinois-Chicago
Colorado St.
Oregon St.
George Washington

Now GW might be mostly medical school, so it might be UC-Riverside in such a theoretical expansion.

Good call—your top 3 just got in

No better predictor than their own ratings.

Of that list, I’m truly surprised Wake Forest is not yet a member.

I have been given to understand that the reason AAU does not count agricultural research very heavily is that most of it is "earmarked" research and therefore awarded in a non-competitive manner. Whether that is true or not I cannot say.

(11-10-2019 01:43 AM)ICThawk Wrote:  I have been given to understand that the reason AAU does not count agricultural research very heavily is that most of it is "earmarked" research and therefore awarded in a non-competitive manner. Whether that is true or not I cannot say.

That is correct. They only count research awarded in a competitive manner.

(11-09-2019 06:53 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  I think it's not the type of research, it's whether or not the grants are competitively awarded. A lot of Ag research is earmarked to certain schools rather than competed for.

My apologies for essentially repeating your post. I obviously missed your post when reading the thread, otherwise I would not have posted.

Based on current AAU membership (including recent inductees) and latest USNWR rankings:

1. Georgetown
2. Boston College
3t. Georgia
3t. Lehigh
3t. Virginia Tech
6t. UConn
6t. Stony Brook
8t. NC State
8t. Santa Clara
8t. UC Merced

(09-18-2023 11:36 AM)tf8693 Wrote:  Based on current AAU membership (including recent inductees) and latest USNWR rankings:

1. Georgetown
2. Boston College
3t. Georgia
3t. Lehigh
3t. Virginia Tech
6t. UConn
6t. Stony Brook
8t. NC State
8t. Santa Clara
8t. UC Merced

If I were to bet money on 5 of these 10 schools to make AAU:
Boston College
Georgetown
Georgia
Stony Brook
UC Merced

(09-18-2023 11:36 AM)tf8693 Wrote:  Based on current AAU membership (including recent inductees) and latest USNWR rankings:

1. Georgetown
2. Boston College
3t. Georgia
3t. Lehigh
3t. Virginia Tech
6t. UConn
6t. Stony Brook
8t. NC State
8t. Santa Clara
8t. UC Merced

TF8693, how about based on ARWU rankings??

(09-18-2023 09:12 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 11:36 AM)tf8693 Wrote:  Based on current AAU membership (including recent inductees) and latest USNWR rankings:

1. Georgetown
2. Boston College
3t. Georgia
3t. Lehigh
3t. Virginia Tech
6t. UConn
6t. Stony Brook
8t. NC State
8t. Santa Clara
8t. UC Merced

TF8693, how about based on ARWU rankings??

Stony Brook is already an AAU member. ARWU rankings are based on total research, while AAU normalizes research for the size of the faculty. Lots of Southern schools are competing for openings (if they arise)…Georgetown, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, NC State, Georgia, and Florida State all have strong research credentials.

(09-20-2023 06:03 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 09:12 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 11:36 AM)tf8693 Wrote:  Based on current AAU membership (including recent inductees) and latest USNWR rankings:

1. Georgetown
2. Boston College
3t. Georgia
3t. Lehigh
3t. Virginia Tech
6t. UConn
6t. Stony Brook
8t. NC State
8t. Santa Clara
8t. UC Merced

TF8693, how about based on ARWU rankings??

Stony Brook is already an AAU member. ARWU rankings are based on total research, while AAU normalizes research for the size of the faculty. Lots of Southern schools are competing for openings (if they arise)…Georgetown, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, NC State, Georgia, and Florida State all have strong research credentials.

How come UAB doesn't have strong research credentials??

(09-20-2023 06:53 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(09-20-2023 06:03 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 09:12 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 11:36 AM)tf8693 Wrote:  Based on current AAU membership (including recent inductees) and latest USNWR rankings:

1. Georgetown
2. Boston College
3t. Georgia
3t. Lehigh
3t. Virginia Tech
6t. UConn
6t. Stony Brook
8t. NC State
8t. Santa Clara
8t. UC Merced

TF8693, how about based on ARWU rankings??

Stony Brook is already an AAU member. ARWU rankings are based on total research, while AAU normalizes research for the size of the faculty. Lots of Southern schools are competing for openings (if they arise)…Georgetown, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, NC State, Georgia, and Florida State all have strong research credentials.

How come UAB doesn't have stro g research credentials??

UAB does a lot research per the National Science Foundation website…#44 in the country.

https://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/profiles/site?...ce&ds=herd

I don’t know the other metrics metrics used by the AAU.

(09-18-2023 11:36 AM)tf8693 Wrote:  Based on current AAU membership (including recent inductees) and latest USNWR rankings:

1. Georgetown
2. Boston College
3t. Georgia
3t. Lehigh
3t. Virginia Tech
6t. UConn
6t. Stony Brook
8t. NC State
8t. Santa Clara
8t. UC Merced

Wasn't Stony Brook admitted this year, with Miami, USF, and ND?

(09-18-2023 03:22 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(09-18-2023 11:36 AM)tf8693 Wrote:  Based on current AAU membership (including recent inductees) and latest USNWR rankings:

1. Georgetown
2. Boston College
3t. Georgia
3t. Lehigh
3t. Virginia Tech
6t. UConn
6t. Stony Brook
8t. NC State
8t. Santa Clara
8t. UC Merced

If I were to bet money on 5 of these 10 schools to make AAU:
Boston College
Georgetown
Georgia
Stony Brook
UC Merced

Without a med school, it's hard to see a path for BC. USNWR rankings don't count for much with the AAU.