Like deb025 said, the tourney will remain in Frisco until another city puts in a better bid. Based on everything we have heard over the last few years, it seems like nobody else is bidding. We are not a conference in demand until we all start performing better in OOC and start getting At-Large bids. It's time for the schools that people think of as good basketball schools to step up and start earning At-Larges every season so the rest of us can fight to be Bid-Thieves. That means you, WKU, ODU, Charlotte, UTEP and MTSU. There is an expectation that ya'll are here to win some freakin basketball games so as fans, show up to your games and help your team as the "6th Man." Demand that your AD make good hires and hold your coaches accountable. Buy stupid amounts of apparel and talk so much crap to your friends that people start thinking you are perennial tourney teams. Stop declining post season tournaments and go out and crush those things and hang some banners.

The North Texas' and Louisiana Techs and Florida Internationals have no business being in Pod 1 of this conference. Unless the tide's are changing (And I selfishly hope they are), this is going to remain a 1-bid conference and the conference tournament will continue on in Frisco, Texas.

Rant over. Beer crushed.

(03-09-2020 05:03 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 09:58 AM)odu09 Wrote:  We are in 8th place


This should probably give you all some insight on why some ODU fans consider it one of the best programs in the conference and why there is a superiority complex at times.

Are we playing attendanceball or basketball?

Fan support. You know, the human beings who attend games and spend money on season tickets. The money that makes the world turn.

But yes, congrats on your 3 seed and your 3k in fan support, really good job.

(03-09-2020 10:16 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 05:03 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 09:58 AM)odu09 Wrote:  We are in 8th place


This should probably give you all some insight on why some ODU fans consider it one of the best programs in the conference and why there is a superiority complex at times.

Are we playing attendanceball or basketball?

Fan support. You know, the human beings who attend games and spend money on season tickets. The money that makes the world turn.

But yes, congrats on your 3 seed and your 3k in fan support, really good job.

To me, it seems like the "best programs" in basketball would be the teams winning basketball games.

But sure, in attendance Tech is unlikely to win the conference championship. This doesn't bother me, but I'm sure it's important to someone.

We just care about different sports I guess. I'm interested in who wins the basketball tournament, you're interested in tickets sold. Different strokes. . . I don't see the appeal of attendanceball, but some people don't like sports (or particular sports - I'm personally not that into baseball).

You do you.

Like what you like, you count tickets, we'll watch the games.

(03-07-2020 03:20 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  How about this simple statement. A team from VA should not be in a conference with a team from TX.

Here's your door to LEAVE CUSA! We've got too many schools in this conference anyway.

(03-09-2020 10:11 PM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  Like deb025 said, the tourney will remain in Frisco until another city puts in a better bid. Based on everything we have heard over the last few years, it seems like nobody else is bidding. We are not a conference in demand until we all start performing better in OOC and start getting At-Large bids. It's time for the schools that people think of as good basketball schools to step up and start earning At-Larges every season so the rest of us can fight to be Bid-Thieves. That means you, WKU, ODU, Charlotte, UTEP and MTSU. There is an expectation that ya'll are here to win some freakin basketball games so as fans, show up to your games and help your team as the "6th Man." Demand that your AD make good hires and hold your coaches accountable. Buy stupid amounts of apparel and talk so much crap to your friends that people start thinking you are perennial tourney teams. Stop declining post season tournaments and go out and crush those things and hang some banners.

The North Texas' and Louisiana Techs and Florida Internationals have no business being in Pod 1 of this conference. Unless the tide's are changing (And I selfishly hope they are), this is going to remain a 1-bid conference and the conference tournament will continue on in Frisco, Texas.

Rant over. Beer crushed.

Since this version of CUSA has been together MTSU (2), Marshall (1), and UAB (1) all have won NCAA tournament games,. ODU (2015)/WKU (2018) made it to the NIT Semi's, North Texas (2018) CBI Champions, and Marshall (2019) CIT Champions.

I don't think putting quality teams on the floor has been an issue. The problem is the league is too big which allows for too many bottom feeders to drag the RPI down, the perception of the league is lousy, and it seems the current schools do not have the same vision about the future of the league. Six years ago many of us felt the gap between CUSA and AAC was very slim. Now it is not even close... One league's member schools ponied up the money and had a commish who used his connections and branding skills to great success. The other leagues innovative idea is to play your basketball tournament on two courts simultaneously so both men and women can play at the same facility/time to save a few dollars.

The fact that Judy is allowed to still be commish either means that the majority of the league is content with the status quo or they know the league is going to split up.

(03-08-2020 04:23 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 03:56 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 03:37 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 03:14 PM)NTTHOR Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 11:47 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  The tournament needs to be played on campus to draw the best crowds. The Frisco experiment is a joke and needs to end. Very few from VA will ever attend a game in TX.

virginia = 1 school
texas = 4 schools

and very few from texas are going to virginia to attend a game

very few from texas go to texas to attend a game. You take UTEP out and we've got better attendance than the other 3 combined.

Charlotte just hosted UNT on Wednesday, and the attendance was 2,811. ODU hosted UTSA in their final home game in front of a crowd of 4,969. Last Sunday, UNT hosted WKU in front of a crowd of 4,471. I'd like to see the final attendance number averages for this regular season, and see where each program ranks.

I can't argue with math, but it is worth mentioning that all season long conference games are on Thursday/Saturday, and Charlotte's two Bonus home games were Wednesday/Sunday. Some people have lives and schedules that cannot always be changed at the last minute. Fortunately that isn't me. That, combined with our students being on Spring Break for the UNT Wednesday game, was destined to bring attendance down.

LOL! Some of you people will biiitch about anything, just to hear yourself complain.

Outside of Texas, New Orleans and Nashville have the most "drawing power" for a basketball tournament like this. If your goal is to draw tournament attendance, those two cities will likely draw the most fans, because they are fun tourist destinations. Nobody's really interested in Knoxville (too remote) or Charlotte (just another big city), for obvious reasons.

(03-10-2020 11:41 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 03:20 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  How about this simple statement. A team from VA should not be in a conference with a team from TX.

Here's your door to LEAVE CUSA! We've got too many schools in this conference anyway.

I've been asking every chance I get. Unfortunately I am just not a high enough roller for it to make a difference, apparently.

(03-10-2020 11:03 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 10:16 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 05:03 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 09:58 AM)odu09 Wrote:  We are in 8th place


This should probably give you all some insight on why some ODU fans consider it one of the best programs in the conference and why there is a superiority complex at times.

Are we playing attendanceball or basketball?

Fan support. You know, the human beings who attend games and spend money on season tickets. The money that makes the world turn.

But yes, congrats on your 3 seed and your 3k in fan support, really good job.

To me, it seems like the "best programs" in basketball would be the teams winning basketball games.

But sure, in attendance Tech is unlikely to win the conference championship. This doesn't bother me, but I'm sure it's important to someone.

We just care about different sports I guess. I'm interested in who wins the basketball tournament, you're interested in tickets sold. Different strokes. . . I don't see the appeal of attendanceball, but some people don't like sports (or particular sports - I'm personally not that into baseball).

You do you.

Like what you like, you count tickets, we'll watch the games.

Sounds good mate. Doesn't seem like you have many people watching the sports if you aren't there, but what do I know.

(03-10-2020 12:25 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  Outside of Texas, New Orleans and Nashville have the most "drawing power" for a basketball tournament like this. If your goal is to draw tournament attendance, those two cities will likely draw the most fans, because they are fun tourist destinations. Nobody's really interested in Knoxville (too remote) or Charlotte (just another big city), for obvious reasons.

More people in this league go for the games instead of the city.

Hold it in Asheville just one time and your eyes will be opened to just how much WKU, ODU, and Marshall fans in particular care about basketball and the tournament. Those three schools would draw very, very well there. Charlotte fans could go if they wanted. Same for UAB. And they would have significantly more show up if their school(s) made it to the weekend.

The West schools would have to decide in advance if they were going to attend. It’s not an easy call, especially on the fly, to make the necessary arrangements.

Currently 77 degrees partly cloudy in South Florida. Good airports. Come for the b-ball stay for the beach.

(03-09-2020 08:22 PM)deb025 Wrote:  The tournament will be in Frisco until another city outbids it. The eastern schools better tell Greenville, Knoxville, etc . to put in a decent bid for the tournament. You can cry on a message board all day but it doesn't change anything. This topic is getting tiresome to say the least. When the tournament does move closer to the eastern schools I'm going to come on here everyday and start threads and ***** about how the tournament should be closer to Louisiana.

Yeah it has really gotten old. Eastern fans need to get over it. Judging from everything I've heard and seen, Frisco puts on a great tournament, and the money is right. Attendance is poor, but it will never be great in this conference. We have too few fans.

Play the tournament on campus, or leave it in Frisco.

IMO, I think most posters on here OVERRATE the attendance of most other conference tournaments (and slightly underrate the attendance of ours).

Last year, while I was living in Dallas, I went to several games at the C-USA tourney and several had good crowds. LT and UNT games had good men's crowds and believe it or not, the Rice Women's games were well-attended too. There were also lots of WKU fans in attendance as well relative to the distance of the school from the campus.

To my point about overrating the attendance of other schools-I just bought lower bowl tickets to the first round of the Big East tournament at MSG tomorrow (20.1MM people in the MSA-and the conference schools' largest collective alumni base) for $9 a piece.

(03-07-2020 06:55 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says Charlotte can easily host this tourney. Women’s tourney can play at haltron on our beautiful campus with pristine creeks and blooming dogwoods.

men’s tourney can take place uptown at the hornets arena. Both are connected via light rail.

wku can pay for rooms for the refs at our ritz Carlton, and marshal fans can camp in the speedway parking lot for a nominal fee

Broken record

(03-10-2020 01:36 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 08:22 PM)deb025 Wrote:  The tournament will be in Frisco until another city outbids it. The eastern schools better tell Greenville, Knoxville, etc . to put in a decent bid for the tournament. You can cry on a message board all day but it doesn't change anything. This topic is getting tiresome to say the least. When the tournament does move closer to the eastern schools I'm going to come on here everyday and start threads and ***** about how the tournament should be closer to Louisiana.

Yeah it has really gotten old. Eastern fans need to get over it. Judging from everything I've heard and seen, Frisco puts on a great tournament, and the money is right. Attendance is poor, but it will never be great in this conference. We have too few fans.

Play the tournament on campus, or leave it in Frisco.

I think what gets old is the eastern schools traveling 12-16 hours to a tournament and having more or equal fans of schools who are 1-4 hours in proximity who simply don't care about basketball. Not to beat a dead horse, but UNT had 4k in a 10k arena with conference title on the line. If the team in that situation was ODU, WKU, MTSU, Marshall etc, they would draw 7-10k and likely sell out, no matter the short notice. Now, its up to the programs mentioned above to get their act together and produce good teams, because they've shown if they have a shot to win it, they'll be there no matter the location. Point still stands, if the conference wants to make money and draw fans, put the dang thing close to the programs who give a rip about roundball.

(03-10-2020 02:05 PM)Shadow_Son Wrote:  

(03-10-2020 01:36 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 08:22 PM)deb025 Wrote:  The tournament will be in Frisco until another city outbids it. The eastern schools better tell Greenville, Knoxville, etc . to put in a decent bid for the tournament. You can cry on a message board all day but it doesn't change anything. This topic is getting tiresome to say the least. When the tournament does move closer to the eastern schools I'm going to come on here everyday and start threads and ***** about how the tournament should be closer to Louisiana.

Yeah it has really gotten old. Eastern fans need to get over it. Judging from everything I've heard and seen, Frisco puts on a great tournament, and the money is right. Attendance is poor, but it will never be great in this conference. We have too few fans.

Play the tournament on campus, or leave it in Frisco.

I think what gets old is the eastern schools traveling 12-16 hours to a tournament and having more or equal fans of schools who are 1-4 hours in proximity who simply don't care about basketball. Not to beat a dead horse, but UNT had 4k in a 10k arena with conference title on the line. If the team in that situation was ODU, WKU, MTSU, Marshall etc, they would draw 7-10k and likely sell out, no matter the short notice. Now, its up to the programs mentioned above to get their act together and produce good teams, because they've shown if they have a shot to win it, they'll be there no matter the location. Point still stands, if the conference wants to make money and draw fans, put the dang thing close to the programs who give a rip about roundball.

The western schools don't like it when you talk with sense like this because the tournament is held in the west. Pretty simple. Nobody's going to complain when it's convenient for them. Wonder why that is.

Let's look at it this way, here are the rankings in home attendance and distance to Frisco.

1. ODU- 21 hours
2. Marshall -15 Hours
3. UTEP- 9 1/2 Hours
4. WKU- 11 Hours
5. UNCC- 16 Hours
6. Middle Tenn- 10 Hours
7. North TX- 3/4 of Hour
8. UAB- 9 1/2 Hours
9. LA Tech- 3 1/2 Hours
10. Southern Miss- 8 Hours
11. RICE- 4 Hours
12. UTSA- 5 Hours
13. FAU- 20 Hours
14. FIU- 20 Hours

So our top 5 programs in attendance rank tied for 6(UTEP), 9 (WKU), 10(Marshall), 11(UNCC), and 12 (ODU) in regards to distance to the tournament. Yep, that is a real smart business model.

Again are we trying to build a conference or make a quick buck!!

(03-10-2020 03:05 PM)Herd6993 Wrote:  Let's look at it this way, here are the rankings in home attendance and distance to Frisco.

1. ODU- 21 hours
2. Marshall -15 Hours
3. UTEP- 9 1/2 Hours
4. WKU- 11 Hours
5. UNCC- 16 Hours
6. Middle Tenn- 10 Hours
7. North TX- 3/4 of Hour
8. UAB- 9 1/2 Hours
9. LA Tech- 3 1/2 Hours
10. Southern Miss- 8 Hours
11. RICE- 4 Hours
12. UTSA- 5 Hours
13. FAU- 20 Hours
14. FIU- 20 Hours

So our top 5 programs in attendance rank tied for 6(UTEP), 9 (WKU), 10(Marshall), 11(UNCC), and 12 (ODU) in regards to distance to the tournament. Yep, that is a real smart business model.

Again are we trying to build a conference or make a quick buck!!

The reality is it is just silly to have schools in VA, NC, WV, and KY in a conference with four schools in Texas.

I don't really see CUSA changing though. Nobody is going to leave to go start a new conference because that means no NCAA tournaments for like 8 years and nobody from this league is going to the AAC unless they get raided.

(03-10-2020 03:05 PM)Herd6993 Wrote:  Let's look at it this way, here are the rankings in home attendance and distance to Frisco.

1. ODU- 21 hours
2. Marshall -15 Hours
3. UTEP- 9 1/2 Hours
4. WKU- 11 Hours
5. UNCC- 16 Hours
6. Middle Tenn- 10 Hours
7. North TX- 3/4 of Hour
8. UAB- 9 1/2 Hours
9. LA Tech- 3 1/2 Hours
10. Southern Miss- 8 Hours
11. RICE- 4 Hours
12. UTSA- 5 Hours
13. FAU- 20 Hours
14. FIU- 20 Hours

So our top 5 programs in attendance rank tied for 6(UTEP), 9 (WKU), 10(Marshall), 11(UNCC), and 12 (ODU) in regards to distance to the tournament. Yep, that is a real smart business model.

Again are we trying to build a conference or make a quick buck!!

Let me piggy-back on this. This weird excuse that there aren't better cities closer in proximity to the majority of schools is baffling:

Frisco:
Teams 1,000+ miles away: 5
Teams < 800 miles away: 9
Teams < 400 miles away: 4

Nashville:
Teams 1,000+ miles away: 1
Teams < 800 miles away: 10
Teams < 400 miles away: 6

Atlanta:
Teams 1,000+ miles away: 1
Teams < 800 miles away: 12
Teams < 400 miles away: 5

Asheville:
Teams 1,000+ miles away: 3
Teams < 800 miles away: 10
Teams < 400 miles away: 6

Memphis:
Teams 1,000+ miles away: 3
Teams < 800 miles away: 10
Teams < 400 miles away: 6

These cities are not bidding. And the DFW area is probably the second best location possible for UTEP, after El Paso.

No one will argue against the tournament alternating between East and west locations provided an eastern city steps up and submits a bid like Birmingham, Frisco, and El Paso have done recently.