(03-08-2020 04:23 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 03:56 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 03:37 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 03:14 PM)NTTHOR Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 11:47 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  The tournament needs to be played on campus to draw the best crowds. The Frisco experiment is a joke and needs to end. Very few from VA will ever attend a game in TX.

virginia = 1 school
texas = 4 schools

and very few from texas are going to virginia to attend a game

very few from texas go to texas to attend a game. You take UTEP out and we've got better attendance than the other 3 combined.

Charlotte just hosted UNT on Wednesday, and the attendance was 2,811. ODU hosted UTSA in their final home game in front of a crowd of 4,969. Last Sunday, UNT hosted WKU in front of a crowd of 4,471. I'd like to see the final attendance number averages for this regular season, and see where each program ranks.

I can't argue with math, but it is worth mentioning that all season long conference games are on Thursday/Saturday, and Charlotte's two Bonus home games were Wednesday/Sunday. Some people have lives and schedules that cannot always be changed at the last minute. Fortunately that isn't me. That, combined with our students being on Spring Break for the UNT Wednesday game, was destined to bring attendance down.

so an excuse???

we all have our attendance problems, but we can't rely on perfect scenarios for every game. north texas' attendance was terrible for a first place team, but it was good for our school compared to recent years. excuses shouldn't be made...big attendance schools never make excuses, don't need it. yes, cusa schools make excuses because we really don't have a **** ton of fans. doesn't matter the day, cusa schools, north texas included, will always make excuses as to why the attendance wasn't great.

(03-08-2020 03:56 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 03:37 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 03:14 PM)NTTHOR Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 11:47 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  The tournament needs to be played on campus to draw the best crowds. The Frisco experiment is a joke and needs to end. Very few from VA will ever attend a game in TX.

virginia = 1 school
texas = 4 schools

and very few from texas are going to virginia to attend a game

very few from texas go to texas to attend a game. You take UTEP out and we've got better attendance than the other 3 combined.

Charlotte just hosted UNT on Wednesday, and the attendance was 2,811. ODU hosted UTSA in their final home game in front of a crowd of 4,969. Last Sunday, UNT hosted WKU in front of a crowd of 4,471. I'd like to see the final attendance number averages for this regular season, and see where each program ranks.

So what’s your point?

(03-08-2020 04:49 PM)NTTHOR Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 04:23 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 03:56 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 03:37 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 03:14 PM)NTTHOR Wrote:  virginia = 1 school
texas = 4 schools

and very few from texas are going to virginia to attend a game

very few from texas go to texas to attend a game. You take UTEP out and we've got better attendance than the other 3 combined.

Charlotte just hosted UNT on Wednesday, and the attendance was 2,811. ODU hosted UTSA in their final home game in front of a crowd of 4,969. Last Sunday, UNT hosted WKU in front of a crowd of 4,471. I'd like to see the final attendance number averages for this regular season, and see where each program ranks.

I can't argue with math, but it is worth mentioning that all season long conference games are on Thursday/Saturday, and Charlotte's two Bonus home games were Wednesday/Sunday. Some people have lives and schedules that cannot always be changed at the last minute. Fortunately that isn't me. That, combined with our students being on Spring Break for the UNT Wednesday game, was destined to bring attendance down.

so an excuse???

we all have our attendance problems, but we can't rely on perfect scenarios for every game. north texas' attendance was terrible for a first place team, but it was good for our school compared to recent years. excuses shouldn't be made...big attendance schools never make excuses, don't need it. yes, cusa schools make excuses because we really don't have a **** ton of fans. doesn't matter the day, cusa schools, north texas included, will always make excuses as to why the attendance wasn't great.

No, I am saying there are reasons. Going to basketball games is entertainment, and you do not need to have an excuse to skip one. I made it to all of our home games this year--as usual, but I can certainly understand why people can't. I can only assume that you will be in Frisco, and at the NIT/NCAAs to see NT play, right?

(03-08-2020 08:12 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 03:56 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 03:37 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 03:14 PM)NTTHOR Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 11:47 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  The tournament needs to be played on campus to draw the best crowds. The Frisco experiment is a joke and needs to end. Very few from VA will ever attend a game in TX.

virginia = 1 school
texas = 4 schools

and very few from texas are going to virginia to attend a game

very few from texas go to texas to attend a game. You take UTEP out and we've got better attendance than the other 3 combined.

Charlotte just hosted UNT on Wednesday, and the attendance was 2,811. ODU hosted UTSA in their final home game in front of a crowd of 4,969. Last Sunday, UNT hosted WKU in front of a crowd of 4,471. I'd like to see the final attendance number averages for this regular season, and see where each program ranks.

So what’s your point?

My point is I want to see the overall attendance averages before I weigh in on this topic. That seems fair to me.

(03-08-2020 09:49 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 04:49 PM)NTTHOR Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 04:23 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 03:56 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 03:37 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  very few from texas go to texas to attend a game. You take UTEP out and we've got better attendance than the other 3 combined.

Charlotte just hosted UNT on Wednesday, and the attendance was 2,811. ODU hosted UTSA in their final home game in front of a crowd of 4,969. Last Sunday, UNT hosted WKU in front of a crowd of 4,471. I'd like to see the final attendance number averages for this regular season, and see where each program ranks.

I can't argue with math, but it is worth mentioning that all season long conference games are on Thursday/Saturday, and Charlotte's two Bonus home games were Wednesday/Sunday. Some people have lives and schedules that cannot always be changed at the last minute. Fortunately that isn't me. That, combined with our students being on Spring Break for the UNT Wednesday game, was destined to bring attendance down.

so an excuse???

we all have our attendance problems, but we can't rely on perfect scenarios for every game. north texas' attendance was terrible for a first place team, but it was good for our school compared to recent years. excuses shouldn't be made...big attendance schools never make excuses, don't need it. yes, cusa schools make excuses because we really don't have a **** ton of fans. doesn't matter the day, cusa schools, north texas included, will always make excuses as to why the attendance wasn't great.

No, I am saying there are reasons. Going to basketball games is entertainment, and you do not need to have an excuse to skip one. I made it to all of our home games this year--as usual, but I can certainly understand why people can't. I can only assume that you will be in Frisco, and at the NIT/NCAAs to see NT play, right?

no, i won't...i have an excuse not to make it to all of their games...i have "lives and schedules" that don't allow me to make it to every game.. just like you mentioned in your post

Marshall would take between 500-1,000 to Charlotte for early rounds and could easily wind up with 3,000-5,000 with a run.

Don’t underestimate Marshall fan travel. We haven’t had a conference tournament in our time zone since 2004.

(03-08-2020 10:00 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 08:12 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 03:56 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 03:37 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 03:14 PM)NTTHOR Wrote:  virginia = 1 school
texas = 4 schools

and very few from texas are going to virginia to attend a game

very few from texas go to texas to attend a game. You take UTEP out and we've got better attendance than the other 3 combined.

Charlotte just hosted UNT on Wednesday, and the attendance was 2,811. ODU hosted UTSA in their final home game in front of a crowd of 4,969. Last Sunday, UNT hosted WKU in front of a crowd of 4,471. I'd like to see the final attendance number averages for this regular season, and see where each program ranks.

So what’s your point?

My point is I want to see the overall attendance averages before I weigh in on this topic. That seems fair to me.

Pretty close to how it's been in past years. Ours is probably down a bit and N texas is likely up some due to performance so this year, Rice + UTSA + NT may have surpassed us in attendance but that's not the norm. And it's close. I hope N Texas has a good turnout in Frisco this year, you've got a good team that deserves the support and it's in your back yard.

(03-08-2020 10:48 PM)NTTHOR Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 09:49 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 04:49 PM)NTTHOR Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 04:23 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 03:56 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Charlotte just hosted UNT on Wednesday, and the attendance was 2,811. ODU hosted UTSA in their final home game in front of a crowd of 4,969. Last Sunday, UNT hosted WKU in front of a crowd of 4,471. I'd like to see the final attendance number averages for this regular season, and see where each program ranks.

I can't argue with math, but it is worth mentioning that all season long conference games are on Thursday/Saturday, and Charlotte's two Bonus home games were Wednesday/Sunday. Some people have lives and schedules that cannot always be changed at the last minute. Fortunately that isn't me. That, combined with our students being on Spring Break for the UNT Wednesday game, was destined to bring attendance down.

so an excuse???

we all have our attendance problems, but we can't rely on perfect scenarios for every game. north texas' attendance was terrible for a first place team, but it was good for our school compared to recent years. excuses shouldn't be made...big attendance schools never make excuses, don't need it. yes, cusa schools make excuses because we really don't have a **** ton of fans. doesn't matter the day, cusa schools, north texas included, will always make excuses as to why the attendance wasn't great.

No, I am saying there are reasons. Going to basketball games is entertainment, and you do not need to have an excuse to skip one. I made it to all of our home games this year--as usual, but I can certainly understand why people can't. I can only assume that you will be in Frisco, and at the NIT/NCAAs to see NT play, right?

no, i won't...i have an excuse not to make it to all of their games...i have "lives and schedules" that don't allow me to make it to every game.. just like you mentioned in your post

I am happy to hear you have a life.

(03-08-2020 10:00 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 08:12 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 03:56 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 03:37 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 03:14 PM)NTTHOR Wrote:  virginia = 1 school
texas = 4 schools

and very few from texas are going to virginia to attend a game

very few from texas go to texas to attend a game. You take UTEP out and we've got better attendance than the other 3 combined.

Charlotte just hosted UNT on Wednesday, and the attendance was 2,811. ODU hosted UTSA in their final home game in front of a crowd of 4,969. Last Sunday, UNT hosted WKU in front of a crowd of 4,471. I'd like to see the final attendance number averages for this regular season, and see where each program ranks.

So what’s your point?

My point is I want to see the overall attendance averages before I weigh in on this topic. That seems fair to me.

For this season? Here you go:

EAST
Charlotte 3653
FIU 1152
FAU 1298
Marshall 5747
MTSU 3122
ODU 5852
WKU 5051

AVG 3696

WEST
LT 3093
UNT 3632
Rice 1849
USM 2626
UAB 2635
UTEP 4838
UTSA 1212

AVG 2840

The 3rd best in the east (5051) is better than the top in the west (4838). The east averages over 800 more in attendance than the west. Yet this conference continues with its western bias. No wonder why the tournament is poorly attended, it's right by the two fanbases that can only get up to 3k in attendance despite being the best in the league.. Don't ever change CUSA, it's working out great.

I sincerely hope UNT has a good turnout for their games. If it doesn't happen when they are the 1 seed... will it ever happen?

https://conferenceusa.com/documents/2020...A_Only.pdf

So whoever said ODU averages more fans than Texas (minus UTEP) off by about a thousand. Rice+UTSA+UNT = 6693.

Can you all sense why ODU fans are apathetic about this league? We are in 8th place, have a key injury, had two starters transfer mid season, and our lone senior averages 4.6 points a game, we have an uninspiring offense, yet we have the best attendance. This should probably give you all some insight on why some ODU fans consider it one of the best programs in the conference and why there is a superiority complex at times.

(03-09-2020 09:43 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 10:00 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 08:12 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 03:56 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 03:37 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  very few from texas go to texas to attend a game. You take UTEP out and we've got better attendance than the other 3 combined.

Charlotte just hosted UNT on Wednesday, and the attendance was 2,811. ODU hosted UTSA in their final home game in front of a crowd of 4,969. Last Sunday, UNT hosted WKU in front of a crowd of 4,471. I'd like to see the final attendance number averages for this regular season, and see where each program ranks.

So what’s your point?

My point is I want to see the overall attendance averages before I weigh in on this topic. That seems fair to me.

For this season? Here you go:

EAST
Charlotte 3653
FIU 1152
FAU 1298
Marshall 5747
MTSU 3122
ODU 5852
WKU 5051

AVG 3696

WEST
LT 3093
UNT 3632
Rice 1849
USM 2626
UAB 2635
UTEP 4838
UTSA 1212

AVG 2840

The 3rd best in the east (5051) is better than the top in the west (4838). The east averages over 800 more in attendance than the west. Yet this conference continues with its western bias. No wonder why the tournament is poorly attended, it's right by the two fanbases that can only get up to 3k in attendance despite being the best in the league.. Don't ever change CUSA, it's working out great.

I sincerely hope UNT has a good turnout for their games. If it doesn't happen when they are the 1 seed... will it ever happen?

https://conferenceusa.com/documents/2020...A_Only.pdf

Cut off FAU & FIU since they're so far away and just look at the MU/WKU/ODU/MT/Charlotte block. The average attendance between those 5 is 4,685. Sounds like a good region to base the tournament.

To those that say "Someone has to bid on it". It seems odd to me that Charlotte would bid on and was awarded the Big South Tournament from 2021 to 2023 but wouldn't have an interest in the C-USA tourney.

https://bigsouthsports.com/news/2019/11/...ath=mbball

Winston-Salem, N.C. and Hampton, Va. were also finalists.

To me Knoxville would be perfect.... It is right in the middle of the majority of the basketball fanbases.

Off the top of my had, distance in hours to Knoxville

1. MTSU (2/1/2 Hours)
2. WKU (3 1/2 Hours)
3. Marshall (4 1/2 Hours)
4. UAB (3 1/2 Hours)
5. UNCC (4 Hours)
6. ODU (7 1/2 Hours)
7. USM (7 Hours)
8. LA Tech (10 Hours)

That is 8 of your top 10 schools in attendance within driving distance (UTEP/N.Texas the exception). The leaders of this conference need to decide whether they want to solidify this conference and build some tradition or continue to appear cheap and fragmented.

(03-09-2020 10:20 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  and just look at the MU/WKU/ODU/MT/Charlotte block. The average attendance between those 5 is 4,685.

The Forgotten Five

(03-09-2020 10:37 AM)Herd6993 Wrote:  To me Knoxville would be perfect.... It is right in the middle of the majority of the basketball fanbases.

Off the top of my had, distance in hours to Knoxville

1. MTSU (2/1/2 Hours)
2. WKU (3 1/2 Hours)
3. Marshall (4 1/2 Hours)
4. UAB (3 1/2 Hours)
5. UNCC (4 Hours)
6. ODU (7 1/2 Hours)
7. USM (7 Hours)
8. LA Tech (10 Hours)

That is 8 of your top 10 schools in attendance within driving distance (UTEP/N.Texas the exception). The leaders of this conference need to decide whether they want to solidify this conference and build some tradition or continue to appear cheap and fragmented.

I lived in Knoxville for 2.5 years and it would be an okay place to go for the tournament if you drive. Getting from your hotel, to Thompson-Boling Arena and over to the bars and restaurants in the Old City area or on Cumberland Ave would be miles of hilly walking. The good news is that Knoxville is within a days drive for 2/3s of the US population. The bad news is half of our conference is in the other third.

(03-09-2020 11:46 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 10:37 AM)Herd6993 Wrote:  To me Knoxville would be perfect.... It is right in the middle of the majority of the basketball fanbases.

Off the top of my had, distance in hours to Knoxville

1. MTSU (2/1/2 Hours)
2. WKU (3 1/2 Hours)
3. Marshall (4 1/2 Hours)
4. UAB (3 1/2 Hours)
5. UNCC (4 Hours)
6. ODU (7 1/2 Hours)
7. USM (7 Hours)
8. LA Tech (10 Hours)

That is 8 of your top 10 schools in attendance within driving distance (UTEP/N.Texas the exception). The leaders of this conference need to decide whether they want to solidify this conference and build some tradition or continue to appear cheap and fragmented.

I lived in Knoxville for 2.5 years and it would be an okay place to go for the tournament if you drive. Getting from your hotel, to Thompson-Boling Arena and over to the bars and restaurants in the Old City area or on Cumberland Ave would be miles of hilly walking. The good news is that Knoxville is within a days drive for 2/3s of the US population. The bad news is half of our conference is in the other third.

Aside from North Texas and UTEP the other third don't even go to their home games. They aren't going to a conference tourney regardless of where it is. The location should be based on maximizing attendance. A location near the northeastern block of schools with the highest home attendance does that.

I've posted this before, but this makes sense to me.

Divide the Conference into East and West Divisions, just like Football.

The Eastern teams play at the home of the top Eastern seed, the Western Teams at the top Western seed. Then after a day off for travel, have the championship game at the highest remaining seed.

This reduces travel, gives the top seeds a reward for their regular season work, and will increase fan participation.

I don't see a downside.

(03-06-2020 06:49 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  It's always about the money. If the city of Charlotte opens up their wallet, I'm sure C-USA would locate the tourney there.

THIS. ^^^^

Really, there is no other criteria or consideration for this league right now. Conference USA is trying to survive on financial scraps and crumbs and leftovers. We would hold our tournament in Wuhan if the price was right.

(03-09-2020 01:30 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  I've posted this before, but this makes sense to me.

Divide the Conference into East and West Divisions, just like Football.

The Eastern teams play at the home of the top Eastern seed, the Western Teams at the top Western seed. Then after a day off for travel, have the championship game at the highest remaining seed.

This reduces travel, gives the top seeds a reward for their regular season work, and will increase fan participation.

I don't see a downside.

This is an interesting option. You need a plan in case the Women's Divisonal champ comes from the same school as the men's.

(03-09-2020 02:10 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 01:30 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  I've posted this before, but this makes sense to me.

Divide the Conference into East and West Divisions, just like Football.

The Eastern teams play at the home of the top Eastern seed, the Western Teams at the top Western seed. Then after a day off for travel, have the championship game at the highest remaining seed.

This reduces travel, gives the top seeds a reward for their regular season work, and will increase fan participation.

I don't see a downside.

This is an interesting option. You need a plan in case the Women's Divisonal champ comes from the same school as the men's.

With only 6 teams from both men and women at each site, they could use the same arena. At most, 2 mens and 2 women's games the same day.

The tournament should always be on a neutral site... period. There are way too many options throughout the South not to be creative. Roanoke, Huntsville, Pensacola, Biloxi, with municipal arena's that would probably be more than happy to host CUSA if the Nashville's, and New Orleans aren't interested.

Having CUSA schools host tournament games all but guarantees the other schools will have next to zero fans attend. That's not good for our fan bases.

In addition, the tournament should never be located in a city far from the center of the core basketball schools. Rotate locations fine... but to have it in Frisco year after year is a deal breaker for most fans and is just plain stupid.