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(10-04-2019 01:47 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  We lose the golf course in 2023.

Where does it go?

(10-04-2019 01:48 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(10-04-2019 01:47 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  We lose the golf course in 2023.

Where does it go?

The city sold it to HRSD.
https://www.pilotonline.com/government/l...a26a9.html

(10-04-2019 12:15 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(10-03-2019 10:26 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(10-03-2019 09:03 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Look at it this way: If everyone in CUSA had top 25 percent as an expectation for one sport, 75 percent of them would be bitterly disappointed in any given year. Expand that to top 25 percent in EVERY sport and I'm pretty sure that number grows to 100 percent. ODU isn't to CUSA what Gonzaga is to the WCC. I don't think top quarter in all sports is a bad goal at all, and it's certainly not a case of lowered expectations, unless you honestly believe that ODU by birthright should be lapping the rest of the conference on their way to the AAC and eventually a P5 home.

Cool. So being pretty decent is something to strive for. Maybe we as fans should just strive to be top 25% in CUSA in budget too. Bet Wood would disagree with that.

The goal should be to be the standard bearer for the conference. Not because we have a birth right, but because we want to be the best, and are committed to constantly assessing our athletics program in that context. That is what it takes to take it to the next level. Do you think Dabo told Clemson that he wanted to build a team that finishes in the top 25% of the ACC when he took over a very average Clemson program? Do you think Coach K strove to be top 25% of the ACC? Was satisfied with finishing 4th? Nick Saban? It is a **** goal. It is a bean counter's goal. It is not a goal that someone who is committed to being the best would ever consider.

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I agree that the goal should be to win the conference, although I'm not sure what your definition of "standard bearer" is. But there is a difference between goals and expectations. Yes we should strive to win the conference every year, but you shouldn't expect it. Even Coach K doesn't win every year. I think go through the Fire Wilder thread you will see what a lot of people's expectations are. Personally I'm very conflicted on what to expect for football, but I can tell you that I will become very agitated if losing seasons become the norm. I don't think playing a post-season game more often than not is too much to expect.

To me the mandate for the athletic department should be to be the standard bearer, for conference. That means that we are the most respected athletic program in the conference. That does not mean you win a championship every year. It means that when people think of CUSA, they think of ODU. You accomplish that by being one of the best teams in the conference in those two sports every year, and by being in contention for a championship most years. Not winning a championship most years, but having a legitimate shot to win it most years.

Will it take some time and a ton of effort and commitment to achieve those goals, of course. But lets make it clear that that is indeed the goal of the athletic program and then weigh every decision against that mandate.

(10-04-2019 02:09 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(10-04-2019 12:15 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(10-03-2019 10:26 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(10-03-2019 09:03 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Look at it this way: If everyone in CUSA had top 25 percent as an expectation for one sport, 75 percent of them would be bitterly disappointed in any given year. Expand that to top 25 percent in EVERY sport and I'm pretty sure that number grows to 100 percent. ODU isn't to CUSA what Gonzaga is to the WCC. I don't think top quarter in all sports is a bad goal at all, and it's certainly not a case of lowered expectations, unless you honestly believe that ODU by birthright should be lapping the rest of the conference on their way to the AAC and eventually a P5 home.

Cool. So being pretty decent is something to strive for. Maybe we as fans should just strive to be top 25% in CUSA in budget too. Bet Wood would disagree with that.

The goal should be to be the standard bearer for the conference. Not because we have a birth right, but because we want to be the best, and are committed to constantly assessing our athletics program in that context. That is what it takes to take it to the next level. Do you think Dabo told Clemson that he wanted to build a team that finishes in the top 25% of the ACC when he took over a very average Clemson program? Do you think Coach K strove to be top 25% of the ACC? Was satisfied with finishing 4th? Nick Saban? It is a **** goal. It is a bean counter's goal. It is not a goal that someone who is committed to being the best would ever consider.

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I agree that the goal should be to win the conference, although I'm not sure what your definition of "standard bearer" is. But there is a difference between goals and expectations. Yes we should strive to win the conference every year, but you shouldn't expect it. Even Coach K doesn't win every year. I think go through the Fire Wilder thread you will see what a lot of people's expectations are. Personally I'm very conflicted on what to expect for football, but I can tell you that I will become very agitated if losing seasons become the norm. I don't think playing a post-season game more often than not is too much to expect.

To me the mandate for the athletic department should be to be the standard bearer, for conference. That means that we are the most respected athletic program in the conference. That does not mean you win a championship every year. It means that when people think of CUSA, they think of ODU. You accomplish that by being one of the best teams in the conference in those two sports every year, and by being in contention for a championship most years. Not winning a championship most years, but having a legitimate shot to win it most years.

Will it take some time and a ton of effort and commitment to achieve those goals, of course. But lets make it clear that that is indeed the goal of the athletic program and then weigh every decision against that mandate.

We have a long way to go in that regard. Marshall, La Tech, USM, UAB, Rice all have greater recognition. On good days we are on par with FAU, UNT, WKU

(10-04-2019 02:44 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(10-04-2019 02:09 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(10-04-2019 12:15 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(10-03-2019 10:26 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(10-03-2019 09:03 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Look at it this way: If everyone in CUSA had top 25 percent as an expectation for one sport, 75 percent of them would be bitterly disappointed in any given year. Expand that to top 25 percent in EVERY sport and I'm pretty sure that number grows to 100 percent. ODU isn't to CUSA what Gonzaga is to the WCC. I don't think top quarter in all sports is a bad goal at all, and it's certainly not a case of lowered expectations, unless you honestly believe that ODU by birthright should be lapping the rest of the conference on their way to the AAC and eventually a P5 home.

Cool. So being pretty decent is something to strive for. Maybe we as fans should just strive to be top 25% in CUSA in budget too. Bet Wood would disagree with that.

The goal should be to be the standard bearer for the conference. Not because we have a birth right, but because we want to be the best, and are committed to constantly assessing our athletics program in that context. That is what it takes to take it to the next level. Do you think Dabo told Clemson that he wanted to build a team that finishes in the top 25% of the ACC when he took over a very average Clemson program? Do you think Coach K strove to be top 25% of the ACC? Was satisfied with finishing 4th? Nick Saban? It is a **** goal. It is a bean counter's goal. It is not a goal that someone who is committed to being the best would ever consider.

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I agree that the goal should be to win the conference, although I'm not sure what your definition of "standard bearer" is. But there is a difference between goals and expectations. Yes we should strive to win the conference every year, but you shouldn't expect it. Even Coach K doesn't win every year. I think go through the Fire Wilder thread you will see what a lot of people's expectations are. Personally I'm very conflicted on what to expect for football, but I can tell you that I will become very agitated if losing seasons become the norm. I don't think playing a post-season game more often than not is too much to expect.

To me the mandate for the athletic department should be to be the standard bearer, for conference. That means that we are the most respected athletic program in the conference. That does not mean you win a championship every year. It means that when people think of CUSA, they think of ODU. You accomplish that by being one of the best teams in the conference in those two sports every year, and by being in contention for a championship most years. Not winning a championship most years, but having a legitimate shot to win it most years.

Will it take some time and a ton of effort and commitment to achieve those goals, of course. But lets make it clear that that is indeed the goal of the athletic program and then weigh every decision against that mandate.

We have a long way to go in that regard. Marshall, La Tech, USM, UAB, Rice all have greater recognition. On good days we are on par with FAU, UNT, WKU

Then no better time to start than now. Didn't say it was easy or that it would happen over night, just that it should be the clearly stated goal of the AD, and that decisions should be guided by that goal.

(10-04-2019 01:48 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(10-04-2019 01:47 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  We lose the golf course in 2023.

Where does it go?

Global warming. Have you not been listening to AOC or Greta Thunberg?

(10-04-2019 01:50 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(10-04-2019 01:48 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(10-04-2019 01:47 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  We lose the golf course in 2023.

Where does it go?

The city sold it to HRSD.
https://www.pilotonline.com/government/l...a26a9.html

M&W Golf have locker rooms at Lambert's, but only practice on that course sparingly at best, as they do 99% of their training/competition elsewhere. Therefore I don't foresee those 2 programs going away in the process.

Only Virginia would turn a beautiful golf course by a college campus into a sanitation facility. These decisions just boggle the mind. That stuff would never fly at most schools.

Hopefully wood is looking at potential new coaches as we speak

Every AD should have a list of names in their desk drawer for every coach.

To answer the question in the subject line of this thread: Just about anyone.

Without a substantial pay bump, we arent getting anyone good

Jay Gruden?

(10-05-2019 08:44 AM)monarx Wrote:  Only Virginia would turn a beautiful golf course by a college campus into a sanitation facility. These decisions just boggle the mind. That stuff would never fly at most schools.

Coming full circle as that site was the Norfolk incinerator for years

ODU doesn't own that course Monarx. The city does. The course was failing anyway do to lack of use by the public.

From an article I found: "The city of Norfolk, Va., agreed to sell Lamberts Point Golf Course, a nine-hole course owned by the city but operated privately, to the Hampton Roads Sanitation District (HRSD), "

They will be using this spot to PUMP WATER UNDERGROUND to help fill diminishing aquifers.

"pump that water into the Potomac aquifer. "

https://www.norfolk.gov/AgendaCenter/Vie...ileID=8134

(10-07-2019 09:19 AM)mac Wrote:  ODU doesn't own that course Monarx. The city does. The course was failing anyway do to lack of use by the public.

From an article I found: "The city of Norfolk, Va., agreed to sell Lamberts Point Golf Course, a nine-hole course owned by the city but operated privately, to the Hampton Roads Sanitation District (HRSD), "

They will be using this spot to PUMP WATER UNDERGROUND to help fill diminishing aquifers.

"pump that water into the Potomac aquifer. "

https://www.norfolk.gov/AgendaCenter/Vie...ileID=8134

I get it, but I can nearly guarantee you, that if the golf course was sitting next to UVA, VT, W&M etc, there would be public outrage about turning it into an industrial/sanitation whatever. The city should be striving to get more land and more beautification, more recreation and more research labs around the school.

Didnt know the course was failing. I played it a few times and found it to be quite nice. Also, quite difficult. Gorgeous views.

(10-07-2019 11:18 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 09:19 AM)mac Wrote:  ODU doesn't own that course Monarx. The city does. The course was failing anyway do to lack of use by the public.

From an article I found: "The city of Norfolk, Va., agreed to sell Lamberts Point Golf Course, a nine-hole course owned by the city but operated privately, to the Hampton Roads Sanitation District (HRSD), "

They will be using this spot to PUMP WATER UNDERGROUND to help fill diminishing aquifers.

"pump that water into the Potomac aquifer. "

https://www.norfolk.gov/AgendaCenter/Vie...ileID=8134

I get it, but I can nearly guarantee you, that if the golf course was sitting next to UVA, VT, W&M etc, there would be public outrage about turning it into an industrial/sanitation whatever. The city should be striving to get more land and more beautification, more recreation and more research labs around the school.

Didnt know the course was failing. I played it a few times and found it to be quite nice. Also, quite difficult. Gorgeous views.

None of those cities are sinking. Norfolk is. New ideas have to be considered on how to fight it.

(10-07-2019 08:12 AM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  Jay Gruden?

Which is why you never make wishes when holding a monkey's paw

Shane Beamer will be the front-runner.

(10-07-2019 02:26 PM)757ODU Wrote:  Shane Beamer will be the front-runner.

The dude that got Wake Forest's game plan and still couldn't score against them...lol