Y all got Trump now. He's mean to kids. Thanks for showing us the morally superior path.

Russian collusion getting destroyed today, maybe there are enough stupid people to believe this mean to kids nonsense

(06-18-2018 04:02 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  "Give more your tired, your poor, so I can throw them in cages" is not an America I will stand by.

We don't govern via prose on a statue, sorry.

(06-18-2018 12:26 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 12:24 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 12:20 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 12:18 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 12:15 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Let's talk about law then. Is it legal to enter this country illegally?

Again, missing the point. I don't recall seeing anyone on this thread say the families should be free to go. The kids should not be separated from the parents.

dems want innocent children to go to jail.

Hyperbole will get you nowhere.

Says the alt-leftist in the thread about MSNBC claiming the Trump admin. is operating concentration camps.

Yea, I'm clearly just catching up, but that one inspired a GUFFAW! loud enough to wake my daughter from her nap...

Leftists making claims about hyperbole, now that's some funny schit.

(06-18-2018 03:57 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  So Bill Clinton, Democrat, signs the 1997 Flores Settlement Agreement and Barack Obama, Democrat, enforced the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008, and this is all Trump's fault?

The 1997 Flores Settlement Agreement calls for the release of unaccompanied minors to family members or sponsors who can care for them as their immigration case is resolved.

The Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008 determines that unaccompanied minors be transferred to Health and Human Services custody.

Both involve kids who are not with their families. The current situation of kids being removed from their parents is indeed this administration's fault.

(06-18-2018 04:24 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 03:57 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  So Bill Clinton, Democrat, signs the 1997 Flores Settlement Agreement and Barack Obama, Democrat, enforced the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008, and this is all Trump's fault?

The 1997 Flores Settlement Agreement calls for the release of unaccompanied minors to family members or sponsors who can care for them as their immigration case is resolved.

The Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008 determines that unaccompanied minors be transferred to Health and Human Services custody.

Both involve kids who are not with their families. The current situation of kids being removed from their parents is indeed this administration's fault.

Got it. Dems OK. Trump Nazi.

I wish Democrats could gin up the same outrage over the hundreds of thousands of aborted, foster, or otherwise abandoned America kids, but never let an opportunity go to waste I guess......

(06-18-2018 04:02 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Who cares what era or what party controlled or enacted any of this? It's abhorrent and disgusting regardless. If it was Obama, shame his administration. Trump? Shame his. The back and forth on semantics over this on the board is revolting. The lack of human compassion and willingness to let children be traumatized is even worse.

"Give more your tired, your poor, so I can throw them in cages" is not an America I will stand by.

I'll send em to your house then. I'll them you said it was ok.

Do we have ourselves a deal ?

Oops. Bad turn of phrase there.

(06-18-2018 12:54 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 12:50 PM)Lush Wrote:  so, what is the reason kids are being seperated?

Again, because of Session's new 'zero tolerance' policy. The parents are now being charged as criminals, which wasn't the SOP prior to April:

Typically, people apprehended crossing into the US are held in immigration detention and sent before an immigration judge to see if they will be deported as unauthorized immigrants.

But migrants who’ve been referred for criminal prosecution get sent to a federal jail and brought before a federal judge a few weeks later to see if they’ll get prison time. That’s where the separation happens — because you can’t be kept with your children in federal jail.

Good. Stay home. Apply like everyone else in the world.

(06-18-2018 01:06 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 01:03 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 01:01 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 12:59 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 12:58 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  No, the law says nothing about having to charge the parents as criminals. Keep it as a misdemeanor as it was prior to April, and you don't have to separate the kids.

Sessions/the Trump administration is removing kids from their parents in a political ploy.

So you want to give them a slap on the wrist and a date to appear in court, so they can take off and never be seen again.

It's a scam, and President Trump was elected to put an end to it.

So separating kids from their parents is worth it to try to curb it? That says a lot about the thought process of repubs in this country.

It's wrong, and we should be better than this, but apparently we're not.

lol "worth it".

Then appeal to emotion, because you know you don't have the law, facts, or logic on your side.

dems = scam artists

Please. Talk about scam artists. Repubs literally don't have the law on their side - the law says the parents would be charged with a misdemeanor, therefore families would get to stay together. So to get around that, they enact a 'zero tolerance policy'.

"Stay together" where, exactly? You got an extra room to shack some of them up? If you feel this strongly about it, sponsor a family.

Otherwise, well, ummm, yea.

(06-18-2018 03:16 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 03:12 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 03:07 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 01:24 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 01:21 PM)gdunn Wrote:  I'm still trying to wrap my bread around needing asylum from a place that a few months ago the Dems said weren't dangerous or a sh*thole

People have figured out their con. Democrats have always preyed on the gullible, the soft hearted, the ignorant and the amoral moralists. I pity the first three types, the remainder disgust me.

Spare me. Repubs are literally preying on innocent victims in this (the kids), hoping it will force a hand politically. They are the disgusting ones in this scenario.

Spare me. Dems are literally using innocent victims in this (the kids), hoping it will force a hand politically. They are the disgusting ones in this scenario.

Sorry, a repub administration created this complete fiasco of a policy - what's happening to the majority of these kids is on them.

Have you seen those disgusting images of these poor kids being held in the chain link "cages"? Outrageous, no?

(06-18-2018 04:01 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 03:52 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 03:51 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 03:48 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Decision to prosecute = decision to enforce the law.

Again, it's not the law to prosecute with criminal charges.

So, what do you do instead?

Trump's trying to play hardball to get Congress to the table on his immigration policy. There's no reason that separating kids from their parents should be the catalyst.

If you want both parties to come to the table, quit playing hardball. Make a concession if the democrats will (what the specific concessions would be, I don't know.)

really.....if you say so.....

I like hardball tactics.....especially when the facts are exposed.....

change the law.....then come talk to me....

I'm sick of politco pusswah msm bs tactics......how's that working to date???

(06-18-2018 03:24 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 03:22 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 03:20 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 03:17 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 03:16 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  Sorry, a repub administration created this complete fiasco of a policy

TIL that Obama is a Republican.

By "Obama" you mean "Sessions," obviously.

No. You told me a Republican administration created this policy.

Since this policy is from the Obama administration, ergo Obama is a Republican.

The zero tolerance policy was created by Sessions in April 2018.

"Accordingly, I direct each United States Attorney's Office along the Southwest Border to
the extent practicable, and in consultation with DHS- to adopt immediately a zero-tolerance
policy for all offenses referred for prosecution under section 1325(a). This zero-tolerance policy
shall supersede any existing policies."

Enforcing federal law.

The horror of it all.

(06-18-2018 04:53 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 03:16 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 03:12 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 03:07 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 01:24 PM)shere khan Wrote:  People have figured out their con. Democrats have always preyed on the gullible, the soft hearted, the ignorant and the amoral moralists. I pity the first three types, the remainder disgust me.

Spare me. Repubs are literally preying on innocent victims in this (the kids), hoping it will force a hand politically. They are the disgusting ones in this scenario.

Spare me. Dems are literally using innocent victims in this (the kids), hoping it will force a hand politically. They are the disgusting ones in this scenario.

Sorry, a repub administration created this complete fiasco of a policy - what's happening to the majority of these kids is on them.

Have you seen those disgusting images of these poor kids being held in the chain link "cages"? Outrageous, no?

what's outrageous is their parents put them in that position to begin with.....

Good grief, tigergreen is spreading fake news up and down this entire thread. Hopefully after he views the below video, he can come back, retract, and disavow.

See below link where Harvard lawyer and never Trumper Ben Shapiro debunks all of the alt-left's talking points from today. It's an expansion on Sec. Neilsen's earlier tweet thread, but long story short, no, President Trump is not doing anything wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqXaGGjZH3E#t=02m03s

(06-18-2018 04:20 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 04:02 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  "Give more your tired, your poor, so I can throw them in cages" is not an America I will stand by.

We don't govern via prose on a statue, sorry.

Nor morality apparently.

(06-18-2018 03:38 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 03:36 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 12:05 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 11:57 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 11:49 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Here is a tip... and no tom, not the kind you like. Come here legally, and you wont get separated from your family.

THAT's the part everyone is willfully ignoring.......

No, the separation of kids from parents is an elective policy that has been amped up several notches since April - 2000 kids in 6 weeks. If it were remotely about the "law," it would have been happening at this ramped up level for the past 18 months.

Previous administrations used it, but more sparingly, typically when the safety of the kids was in question. There is no "law" stating that children must be separated from parents who have been held by DHS.

They're using children to try to ramp up political pressure, and it's vile. Period.

Where should these alleged children of said Mommy or Daddy be placed?

Should 12 YO girls be placed in the Gen Pop of the male holding facility?

This is soooooo much ginned up nonsense, you people make no damn sense whatsoever. Can't even explain/defend your own hysterical "positions".

Dum-De-Dum-Dumb.

Ginned up my ass. If the parents had misdemeanor charges like the law states, they wouldn't be held in jail; they'd be in a holding facility with their kids. You wouldn't have had 2000 kids removed from their parents in a 6 week timeframe.

So, you want 13 YO girls living with strange men?

Who would do such a thing?!?

If they don't like it, stay home. ALL together as one.

(06-18-2018 05:03 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 04:20 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 04:02 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  "Give more your tired, your poor, so I can throw them in cages" is not an America I will stand by.

We don't govern via prose on a statue, sorry.

Nor morality apparently.

The Trump supporters have lost any semblance of humanity, as far as I can tell. The new videos coming out of the small children camps, with horrific pleas from 4 year old kids, being laughed at by ICE officers (what kind of man laughs at a crying 4 year old?) are horrific.

But these kids aren't white, so they are to be used as hostages in Stephen Millers/Donald Trumps white nationalist agenda.

This is worse than Katrina. Katrina was the result of passive racism in response to a natural disaster. This crisis is the result of deliberate racism created by the Trump Administration so they can exploit their deliberate and unnecessary cruelty towards small children for political gain.

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The level of anger on a scale of 1-10 is about 25.....Exactly 56 percent of Republicans support his racist policy of holding 6 year olds hostage. But the policy is deeply unpopular with massive majorities of independents, Democrats and the public at large. And this opposition isn't a "meh - I'm mildly opposed' but rather one of strong anger.

I look forward to Miller and Nielsen facing justice in a few years.....at the ICJ in the Hague.

(06-18-2018 05:01 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Good grief, tigergreen is spreading fake news up and down this entire thread. Hopefully after he views the below video, he can come back, retract, and disavow.

See below link where Harvard lawyer and never Trumper Ben Shapiro debunks all of the alt-left's talking points from today. It's an expansion on Sec. Neilsen's earlier tweet thread, but long story short, no, President Trump is not doing anything wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=#t=02m03s

Forget it. Dems are so full of blind hatred they don't deal in reality anymore.

(06-18-2018 05:08 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 05:03 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 04:20 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 04:02 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  "Give more your tired, your poor, so I can throw them in cages" is not an America I will stand by.

We don't govern via prose on a statue, sorry.

Nor morality apparently.

The Trump supporters have lost any semblance of humanity, as far as I can tell. T

Do you enjoy hating the person you imagine to be me?

What do you get by imagining, falsely, that I would not care about children torn from their parents and put in cages, or that I would approve of that?

(06-18-2018 04:02 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Who cares what era or what party controlled or enacted any of this? It's abhorrent and disgusting regardless. If it was Obama, shame his administration. Trump? Shame his. The back and forth on semantics over this on the board is revolting. The lack of human compassion and willingness to let children be traumatized is even worse.

"Give more your tired, your poor, so I can throw them in cages" is not an America I will stand by.

But gleefully sat on the sidelines when the prior admin did precisely that, got it.

Now? It's ginned up OUTRAGE cuz Trump.

The transparency is transparent.

Singapore summit, IG's report and booming economy has broken the leftists... Sad.

Why do they root against America and Americans?

(06-18-2018 05:08 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 05:03 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 04:20 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 04:02 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  "Give more your tired, your poor, so I can throw them in cages" is not an America I will stand by.

We don't govern via prose on a statue, sorry.

Nor morality apparently.

The Trump supporters have lost any semblance of humanity, as far as I can tell. The new videos coming out of the small children camps, with horrific pleas from 4 year old kids, being laughed at by ICE officers (what kind of man laughs at a crying 4 year old?) are horrific.

But these kids aren't white, so they are to be used as hostages in Stephen Millers/Donald Trumps white nationalist agenda.

This is worse than Katrina. Katrina was the result of passive racism in response to a natural disaster. This crisis is the result of deliberate racism created by the Trump Administration so they can exploit their deliberate and unnecessary cruelty towards small children for political gain.

-----

The level of anger on a scale of 1-10 is about 25.....Exactly 56 percent of Republicans support his racist policy of holding 6 years old hostage. But the policy is deeply unpopular with massive majorities of independents, Democrats and the public at large. And this opposition isn't a "meh - I'm mildly opposed' but rather one of strong anger.

I look forward to Miller and Nielsen facing justice in a few years.....at the ICJ in the Hague.

Translation: "It's the middle of June, Trump's approval ratings only continue to rise, our generic ballot lead has evaporated, Sen. Beto O'Rourke (D-TX) is -11 points in the hole, and we still don't have a message to run on in November, so f**k it, time to double down on everyone and everything that doesn't have a D next to it's name as being hitler. Muh camps, muh racism, etc."

Your fear is palpable.