RE: MSNBC Analysts Claim Trump Administration Is Currently Operating Concentration Camps
(06-18-2018 03:26 PM)gdunn Wrote: I'm still waiting for the law that says entering this country illegally is a misdemeanor
Under federal law, it is a crime for anyone to enter into the US without the approval of an immigration officer -- it's a misdemeanor offense that carries fines and no more than six months in prison. (See 8 U.S.C. Section 1325, I.N.A. Section 275.)
Many foreign nationals, however, enter the country legally every day on valid work or travel visas, and end up overstaying for a variety of reasons. But that's not a violation of federal criminal law -- it's a civil violation that gets handled in immigration court proceedings.
Trump is trying to speed up the process, which is all good & fine, but charging them with criminal charges & splitting kids up from their parents isn't the way to go about it.
(This post was last modified: 06-18-2018 03:34 PM by tigergreen.)
RE: MSNBC Analysts Claim Trump Administration Is Currently Operating Concentration Camps
(06-18-2018 12:05 PM)tigergreen Wrote:
(06-18-2018 11:57 AM)VA49er Wrote:
(06-18-2018 11:49 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote: Here is a tip... and no tom, not the kind you like. Come here legally, and you wont get separated from your family.
THAT's the part everyone is willfully ignoring.......
No, the separation of kids from parents is an elective policy that has been amped up several notches since April - 2000 kids in 6 weeks. If it were remotely about the "law," it would have been happening at this ramped up level for the past 18 months.
Previous administrations used it, but more sparingly, typically when the safety of the kids was in question. There is no "law" stating that children must be separated from parents who have been held by DHS.
They're using children to try to ramp up political pressure, and it's vile. Period.
Where should these alleged children of said Mommy or Daddy be placed?
Should 12 YO girls be placed in the Gen Pop of the male holding facility?
This is soooooo much ginned up nonsense, you people make no damn sense whatsoever. Can't even explain/defend your own hysterical "positions".
RE: MSNBC Analysts Claim Trump Administration Is Currently Operating Concentration Camps
(06-18-2018 03:36 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:
(06-18-2018 12:05 PM)tigergreen Wrote:
(06-18-2018 11:57 AM)VA49er Wrote:
(06-18-2018 11:49 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote: Here is a tip... and no tom, not the kind you like. Come here legally, and you wont get separated from your family.
THAT's the part everyone is willfully ignoring.......
No, the separation of kids from parents is an elective policy that has been amped up several notches since April - 2000 kids in 6 weeks. If it were remotely about the "law," it would have been happening at this ramped up level for the past 18 months.
Previous administrations used it, but more sparingly, typically when the safety of the kids was in question. There is no "law" stating that children must be separated from parents who have been held by DHS.
They're using children to try to ramp up political pressure, and it's vile. Period.
Where should these alleged children of said Mommy or Daddy be placed?
Should 12 YO girls be placed in the Gen Pop of the male holding facility?
This is soooooo much ginned up nonsense, you people make no damn sense whatsoever. Can't even explain/defend your own hysterical "positions".
Dum-De-Dum-Dumb.
Ginned up my ass. If the parents had misdemeanor charges like the law states, they wouldn't be held in jail; they'd be in a holding facility with their kids. You wouldn't have had 2000 kids removed from their parents in a 6 week timeframe.
RE: MSNBC Analysts Claim Trump Administration Is Currently Operating Concentration Camps
(06-18-2018 03:32 PM)tigergreen Wrote:
(06-18-2018 03:26 PM)gdunn Wrote: I'm still waiting for the law that says entering this country illegally is a misdemeanor
Under federal law, it is a crime for anyone to enter into the US without the approval of an immigration officer -- it's a misdemeanor offense that carries fines and no more than six months in prison. (See 8 U.S.C. Section 1325, I.N.A. Section 275.)
Many foreign nationals, however, enter the country legally every day on valid work or travel visas, and end up overstaying for a variety of reasons. But that's not a violation of federal criminal law -- it's a civil violation that gets handled in immigration court proceedings.
Trump is trying to speed up the process, which is all good & fine, but charging them with criminal charges & splitting kids up from their parents isn't the way to go about it.
Bwahahahaha
So it's not really the law just sorta guidelines
K
(This post was last modified: 06-18-2018 03:40 PM by shere khan.)
It’s the decision to prosecute parents that is causing the separations.
There is no federal law that stipulates that children and parents be separated at the border, no matter how families entered the United States. An increase in child detainees separated from parents stemmed directly from a change in enforcement policy repeatedly announced by Sessions in April and May 2018, under which adults (with or without children) are criminally prosecuted for attempting to enter the United States.
The 1997 Flores Settlement Agreement, for example, calls for the release of unaccompanied minors to family members or sponsors who can care for them as their immigration case is resolved.
The Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008, which Trump has wrongly called "a Democrat rule," determines that unaccompanied minors be transferred to Health and Human Services custody.
Kids who are with their parents were not separated unless extreme situations arose, like the parents being charged with criminal activity once they were here.
RE: MSNBC Analysts Claim Trump Administration Is Currently Operating Concentration Camps
(06-18-2018 12:05 PM)tigergreen Wrote:
(06-18-2018 11:57 AM)VA49er Wrote:
(06-18-2018 11:49 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote: Here is a tip... and no tom, not the kind you like. Come here legally, and you wont get separated from your family.
THAT's the part everyone is willfully ignoring.......
No, the separation of kids from parents is an elective policy that has been amped up several notches since April - 2000 kids in 6 weeks. If it were remotely about the "law," it would have been happening at this ramped up level for the past 18 months.
Previous administrations used it, but more sparingly, typically when the safety of the kids was in question. There is no "law" stating that children must be separated from parents who have been held by DHS.
They're using children to try to ramp up political pressure, and it's vile. Period.
So, as a legal citizen of this Country, born, raised, paid taxes since 15 YO's, which laws am I allowed to simply ignore? When/if I get busted for shoplifting, can my daughter accompany me to the local lock up? Perhaps share a cell?
Can I stroll on into mother country Ol Mejico and demand free housing, clothing, food for the table and education for my kids?
This is rank stupidity. Ya'll should be embarrassed pushing this garbage.
So Bill Clinton, Democrat, signs the 1997 Flores Settlement Agreement and Barack Obama, Democrat, enforced the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008, and this is all Trump's fault?
RE: MSNBC Analysts Claim Trump Administration Is Currently Operating Concentration Camps
(06-18-2018 03:52 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:
(06-18-2018 03:51 PM)tigergreen Wrote:
(06-18-2018 03:48 PM)shere khan Wrote: Decision to prosecute = decision to enforce the law.
Again, it's not the law to prosecute with criminal charges.
So, what do you do instead?
Trump's trying to play hardball to get Congress to the table on his immigration policy. There's no reason that separating kids from their parents should be the catalyst.
If you want both parties to come to the table, quit playing hardball. Make a concession if the democrats will (what the specific concessions would be, I don't know.)
(This post was last modified: 06-18-2018 04:01 PM by tigergreen.)
RE: MSNBC Analysts Claim Trump Administration Is Currently Operating Concentration Camps
Who cares what era or what party controlled or enacted any of this? It's abhorrent and disgusting regardless. If it was Obama, shame his administration. Trump? Shame his. The back and forth on semantics over this on the board is revolting. The lack of human compassion and willingness to let children be traumatized is even worse.
"Give more your tired, your poor, so I can throw them in cages" is not an America I will stand by.
(This post was last modified: 06-18-2018 04:07 PM by JDTulane.)
RE: MSNBC Analysts Claim Trump Administration Is Currently Operating Concentration Camps
(06-18-2018 12:14 PM)tigergreen Wrote:
(06-18-2018 12:10 PM)Kronke Wrote:
(06-18-2018 12:05 PM)tigergreen Wrote: No, the separation of kids from parents is an elective policy that has been amped up several notches since April - 2000 kids in 6 weeks. If it were remotely about the "law," it would have been happening at this ramped up level for the past 18 months.
Previous administrations used it, but more sparingly, typically when the safety of the kids was in question. There is no "law" stating that children must be separated from parents who have been held by DHS.
They're using children to try to ramp up political pressure, and it's vile. Period.
(06-18-2018 09:47 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: There's no requirement to separate kids from parents for asylum. The separation is an elective policy, deliberately calculated for the express purpose of retaliating against non-white persons who apply for asylum.
Talking points are out.
You can't diminish the fact that the statement is true by waving it off as a "talking point." It's a political ploy, not a law.
RE: MSNBC Analysts Claim Trump Administration Is Currently Operating Concentration Camps
(06-18-2018 12:10 PM)tigergreen Wrote:
(06-18-2018 12:06 PM)VA49er Wrote:
(06-18-2018 12:05 PM)tigergreen Wrote:
(06-18-2018 11:57 AM)VA49er Wrote:
(06-18-2018 11:49 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote: Here is a tip... and no tom, not the kind you like. Come here legally, and you wont get separated from your family.
THAT's the part everyone is willfully ignoring.......
No, the separation of kids from parents is an elective policy that has been amped up several notches since April. If it were about the "law," it would have been happening at this level for the past 18 months.
Previous administrations used it sparingly, when the safety of the kids was in question. There is no "law" stating that children must be separated from parents who have been held by DHS.
They're using children to try to ramp up political pressure, and it's vile. Period.
Responsibility still rests with the parents.
The parents would love to have the responsibility of their kids, but our government has taken them away. The US government is choosing to remove kids from their parents in order to try to force Congress' hand. It's not okay.
RE: MSNBC Analysts Claim Trump Administration Is Currently Operating Concentration Camps
(06-18-2018 04:07 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:
(06-18-2018 12:10 PM)tigergreen Wrote:
(06-18-2018 12:06 PM)VA49er Wrote:
(06-18-2018 12:05 PM)tigergreen Wrote:
(06-18-2018 11:57 AM)VA49er Wrote: THAT's the part everyone is willfully ignoring.......
No, the separation of kids from parents is an elective policy that has been amped up several notches since April. If it were about the "law," it would have been happening at this level for the past 18 months.
Previous administrations used it sparingly, when the safety of the kids was in question. There is no "law" stating that children must be separated from parents who have been held by DHS.
They're using children to try to ramp up political pressure, and it's vile. Period.
Responsibility still rests with the parents.
The parents would love to have the responsibility of their kids, but our government has taken them away. The US government is choosing to remove kids from their parents in order to try to force Congress' hand. It's not okay.
How do you know who's kids they are?
One born everyday.
Yeah, these kids are crying for total strangers who have brought them here against their will. Stop before you hurt yourself.
(This post was last modified: 06-18-2018 04:12 PM by tigergreen.)
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