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RE: Permanent Rivals: Your Choice vs ACC Choice
(04-26-2014 10:24 AM)WoadBlue Wrote: (04-26-2014 08:17 AM)omniorange Wrote: (04-23-2014 09:01 AM)WoadBlue Wrote: It now seems a given that the ACC proposal to de-regulate the way conferences larger than 11 may schedule and decide who plays in a Championship Game is going to pass. The Big 12 is co-sponsor, and the change would allow it to hold a Championship with just 10 teams, or 11 if they add 1.
For us, and I think for the Pac and Big Ten, the main issue is freedom to schedule other than based on 2 divisions that each play an annual round robin. It would mean we schedule with no divisions, cutting back the number of annual rivals so that everyone is played often.
In case you haven't thought about the problem, as the system now operates, we all will play Notre Dame more often than we play full members of ACC football who are not annual rivals. UNC, for example, will play ND more often than we play FSU and Clemson.
Going 8-10 years between meetings in conference games is not a good thing. And this change in NCAA regulations will allow us to make things better. It will keep the entire league refreshed, with new teams rotating on the ACC schedule at least every 2 years.
All signs indicate that we are keeping an 8 game conference schedule. If we each have 3 annual rivals, we will play the other 10 teams in the conference 2 times every 4 years. We will see every team at least twice every 4 years.
That seems to me to be close to ideal. None of us have more than 3 teams we must play each year. Each of us now plays annual games against 2 or 3 schools that our fans would not mind seeing less often, and each of us have fans who would greatly prefer to play a team or two or three more often than the old NCAA rules allow.
Below is my list of 3 annual rivals for each full member of ACC football. It starts with the MUST PLAY games, based on history(like The South's Oldest Rivalry and GT-Dook) and the need to maximize TV interests and deal with SEC rivalries (which is the reason I have FSU playing GT annually), and then taking account of Thanksgiving weekend season ending games.
All teams should play every Thanksgiving weekend so no one ever plays in the Championship after a bye week. We have 4 teams that will end the season versus SEC in-state rivals (FSU, GT, Clemson, and Louisville). UVA and VT must end the season. So must the 4 NC schools, though it might be interesting to have that rotate, so that in some years UNC closes with Dook while MooU closes with Wake, and in other years UNC closes with MooU while Dook closes with Wake.
I think that the 3 schools north of the Mason-Dixon line should play each other annually as part of maximizing northern interest in ACC football.
That leaves 4 teams who need an annual season ending game: Miami, Pitt, Syracuse, and BC. BC and Cuse, as border state schools, probably should close the season, which would leave Miami closing with Pitt.
With all that in mind, here is my list:
BC - Syracuse, Pitt, Wake
Syracuse - BC, Pitt, Louisville
Pitt - BC, Syracuse, Miami
Louisville - VT, Syracuse, UVA
UVA - UNC, VT, Louisville
VT - UVA, Louisville, Miami
UNC - UVA, Dook, MooU
Dook - UNC, Wake, GT
MooU - UNC, Wake, Clemson
Wake - Dook, MooU, BC
Clemson - GT, FSU, MooU
GT - Clemson, FSU, Dook
FSU - Miami, Clemson, GT
Miami - FSU, Pitt, VT
I think those match-ups are about the best the ACC could manage (even though as an SU fan I'd much rather have Miami annually than any of the three likely to be our annual partners).
It will be interesting to see what the ACC develops.
Cheers,
Neil
And because when Miami is good it does huge TV ratings in NYC, it would be good for Miami to play Syracuse often. The problem is fitting it in.
I think it would require VT agreeing to drop Miami as annual and FSU agreeing that Miami swapping VT for Cuse would not hurt FSU because its permanent 3 would be tougher almost every year.
There are probably only 3 schools VT would agree to take if it loses Miami: Clemson, GT, and UNC. And none of them are possible for VT.
Woad's list is, IMO, about as good as any I've seen. I could see Pitt and Syracuse swapping their third permanent partners, Louisville and Miami. But I could just as easily live with it the way it is.
I could see the NC schools rotating their end of season games by always playing the school that isn't a permanent partner in the years when they are on your rotating schedule, and then playing one of your permanent rivals the other year.
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