There have been a couple of threads recently concerning a divisionless ACC and who would be permanent rivals in such a scenario. As I see it, there really are two sides: who would the fans want for their permanent rivals and who will the ACC select for each teams permanent rivals. So for the sake of this thread, let’s assume that the ACC will go with an eight game conference schedule with three permanent rivals. In this scenario, my desire as a Clemson fan for our three rivals would be in FSU, VT, & Miami. In fact, if I rank the entire ACC based on my interest level in football games against conference teams, it would be (in order of most interested to least interested):
FSU, VT, Miami, GT, UNC, NCSU, Lousiville, Pitt, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Duke, BC, UVA.
Now, who do I think the ACC will select as Clemson’s permanent rivals? A few years ago, I think they would have picked FSU, GT, and then tried to force/create a rivalry with someone like BC in the “interest” of promoting a “cohesive” conference. Now however, I think (hope) they have more or less seen the light when it comes to football and would try to select the most common sense rivals. In this case, I would expect the ACC to select FSU, GT, and NCSU for Clemson.
So, as fans, who would YOU select as permanent rivals for your school and who do you think the ACC will select? Also, I would be interested in seeing how you would rank each ACC school in terms of your personal interest in watching them on a football field.
(04-19-2014 03:03 PM)IR4CU Wrote: [ -> ]There have been a couple of threads recently concerning a divisionless ACC and who would be permanent rivals in such a scenario. As I see it, there really are two sides: who would the fans want for their permanent rivals and who will the ACC select for each teams permanent rivals. So for the sake of this thread, let’s assume that the ACC will go with an eight game conference schedule with three permanent rivals. In this scenario, my desire as a Clemson fan for our three rivals would be in FSU, VT, & Miami. In fact, if I rank the entire ACC based on my interest level in football games against conference teams, it would be (in order of most interested to least interested):
FSU, VT, Miami, GT, UNC, NCSU, Lousiville, Pitt, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Duke, BC, UVA.
Now, who do I think the ACC will select as Clemson’s permanent rivals? A few years ago, I think they would have picked FSU, GT, and then tried to force/create a rivalry with someone like BC in the “interest” of promoting a “cohesive” conference. Now however, I think (hope) they have more or less seen the light when it comes to football and would try to select the most common sense rivals. In this case, I would expect the ACC to select FSU, GT, and NCSU for Clemson.
So, as fans, who would YOU select as permanent rivals for your school and who do you think the ACC will select? Also, I would be interested in seeing how you would rank each ACC school in terms of your personal interest in watching them on a football field.
I would go for these opponents in order of likes:
1. Pittsburgh
2. Boston College
3. Miami
4. Louisville
5. Virginia Tech
6. FSU
7. Georgia Tech
8. Clemson
9. North Carolina
10. Duke
11. Virginia
12. North Carolina State
13. Wake Forest
(04-19-2014 03:03 PM)IR4CU Wrote: [ -> ]There have been a couple of threads recently concerning a divisionless ACC and who would be permanent rivals in such a scenario. As I see it, there really are two sides: who would the fans want for their permanent rivals and who will the ACC select for each teams permanent rivals. So for the sake of this thread, let’s assume that the ACC will go with an eight game conference schedule with three permanent rivals. In this scenario, my desire as a Clemson fan for our three rivals would be in FSU, VT, & Miami. In fact, if I rank the entire ACC based on my interest level in football games against conference teams, it would be (in order of most interested to least interested):
FSU, VT, Miami, GT, UNC, NCSU, Lousiville, Pitt, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Duke, BC, UVA.
Now, who do I think the ACC will select as Clemson’s permanent rivals? A few years ago, I think they would have picked FSU, GT, and then tried to force/create a rivalry with someone like BC in the “interest” of promoting a “cohesive” conference. Now however, I think (hope) they have more or less seen the light when it comes to football and would try to select the most common sense rivals. In this case, I would expect the ACC to select FSU, GT, and NCSU for Clemson.
So, as fans, who would YOU select as permanent rivals for your school and who do you think the ACC will select? Also, I would be interested in seeing how you would rank each ACC school in terms of your personal interest in watching them on a football field.
You want FSU, VTech & Miami....? Wow nice.
Flossy out...
TV money dictates everything. So which ever match ups make the most TV money will happen. Second, Northern schools will want Southern match ups for recruiting purposes. So if you really sit down and think about it by numbers and recruiting you will be able to figure it out. Personally I think the ACC will go to 9 conference games and ND will be involved, 4 rivalry games and 5 rotating every other year. Doesn't ND have to play 5 games per year that would fit perfect. Plus I think the conference championship games will become part of the playoffs.
I really haven't given this alot of thought for I have a feeling this arrangement is going to be turned down due to the Big12 trying it's best to circumvent the process to their favor with them only having ten teams. Now if the NCAA was smart no pun intended they would adopt this rule with the exceptions being it would only apply to conference of 14 teams and larger with the same rules existing currently with conferences of 12 teams and so on. This way we dont have every conference playing within the grey area of rules such as the Big12 is trying to do.
Now back to the subject at hand here for I would like to see Louisville pitted against Miami, Syracuse and Virginia Tech. The Miami selection should speak for itself. The Syracuse pick is one that was blossoming into a good rivalry when we were in the Big East and should pick back up. Now for the Virginia Tech selection there are several reasons, and some of them going way back. These two schools are border states making for a interesting matchup right there, but they were old Metro conference mates back in the day also. A lot of bad blood there depending on who you ask in short at one time Louisville had a very corrupted administration who only saw dollar bills and nothing else. The Gator Bowl were the Vick kid stomped on Dumervil when he was on the ground, and others. This matchup if the ACC was smart would be one worth the watch on primetime for there is history there I assure you.
I've said this in other threads but I feel like almost all Pitt fans would want Syracuse, Miami, and VT. Pitt might get BC and/or Louisville which is fine but fans don't have the same passion about those schools.
Pitt and Syracuse are very longtime relatively friendly rivals that I think both fanbases would like to see continue playing. I don't think many realize Pitt is Miami's 3rd most played opponent after FSU and Florida. That is a lot of history that should be continued if possible. In fairness, Pitt and VT don't have as much history but the games were very competitive in the last few years of the big east and the relatively close proximity creates some rivalry.
It think we've come up with some reasonable balanced rivals on this board that respect traditional rivalries but I'm sure the ACC will screw this up some how.
Yes, Pitt and BC and Miami would top my list. From there I would take Louisville, Virginia Tech and then North Carolina & Duke. Beyond that maybe Virginia and Florida State & Clemson. After that I have no preference (in my humble and personal opinion).
Since everybody is putting out a list here's mine.
*Note this is who I would prefer, and will be far different from who I listed elsewhere because as a Clemson fan I know the absolute last thing the ACC would ever do is go out of it's way to help Clemson, thus the lists elsewhere are realistic, whereas this is my personal picks.
1. GT
2. FSU
3. VT
4. Miami
5. Pitt
6. Louisville
7. Wake
8. BC
9. NCSU
10. UVA
11. UNC
12. Duke
13. Syracuse
1. UNC
2. Wake
2. State
2. Tech
2. Virginia
6. Clemson (since Kaplony ranked us #12, otherwise also tied for #2)
6. Virginia Tech
8. Florida State
8. Miami
10. Pitt
10. BC
10. Syracuse
10. Louisville
Miami, Clemson and Georgia Tech. And if the ACC does anything different, they are morons as usual
(04-20-2014 01:30 AM)opossum Wrote: [ -> ]1. UNC
2. Wake
2. State
2. Tech
2. Virginia
6. Clemson (since Kaplony ranked us #12, otherwise also tied for #2)
6. Virginia Tech
8. Florida State
8. Miami
10. Pitt
10. BC
10. Syracuse
10. Louisville
Just goes to show You there are dUKe fans even in the ACC !
(04-19-2014 03:03 PM)IR4CU Wrote: [ -> ]So, as fans, who would YOU select as permanent rivals for your school and who do you think the ACC will select?
-3 permanent, 5 rotating
Who I'd pick for Louisville
Miami, Virginia Tech, Cuse/Pitt
Who I think the ACC will pick
FSU: Clemson, Miami, GT
Clemson: FSU, GT, NCST
GT: FSU, Clemson, Duke
Miami: FSU, VT, BC
Wake: NCST, Duke, BC
NCST: Clemson, UNC, VT
Duke: UNC, Wake, GT
UNC: UVA, Duke, NCST
UVA: UNC, VT, Pitt
VT: Miami, NCST, UVA
UofL: Pitt, Cuse, BC
Pitt: UofL, UVA, Cuse
BC: Cuse, Miami, Wake
Cuse: BC, UofL, Pitt
There are two things I tried to keep in mind when I made the above listing. First, not everyone is going to get 100% of what they want and not every game can be preserved on an annual basis. What I tried to do was a) preserve as many of the big/meaningful/historical games as possible (e.g. UNC-UVA, FSU-Miami, etc), and b) give everyone t least one geographic partner. It isn't perfect but then again, no scheduling model is going to be.
Second, you'll notice that my who I'd want Louisville to play and who I think they'll actually be given are vastly different. UofL doesn't really have much history with most of the ACC schools so we are probably at or near the bottom of pretty much everyone's "want to play" list. Furthermore, who we are paired with in conference isn't that big of an issue for me because we'll be cycling through opponents at a much faster rate. Playing a team once every two years instead of every year isn't going to be all that big of a deal since we don't have a ton of history with the ACC. And if the conference schedules correctly (split FSU/Miami, Clemson/GT, UVA/VT on the rotating schedule), we'll always have a good schedule with big name/interest games.
(04-19-2014 03:03 PM)IR4CU Wrote: [ -> ]Also, I would be interested in seeing how you would rank each ACC school in terms of your personal interest in watching them on a football field.
Football
1. FSU
2. Miami
2. Clemson
2. VT
3. Pitt
3. Cuse
I'll probably watch everyone else occasionally but the above are the teams I'll probably keep a pretty closer eye on.
Men's basketball
1. UNC
1. Duke
1. Cuse
2. ND
(04-20-2014 10:26 AM)CardFan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2014 01:30 AM)opossum Wrote: [ -> ]1. UNC
2. Wake
2. State
2. Tech
2. Virginia
6. Clemson (since Kaplony ranked us #12, otherwise also tied for #2)
6. Virginia Tech
8. Florida State
8. Miami
10. Pitt
10. BC
10. Syracuse
10. Louisville
Just goes to show You there are dUKe fans even in the ACC !
Is this better?
1. UNC
2. Wake
2. State
2. Tech
2. Virginia
2. Clemson
7. Virginia Tech
8. Florida State
8. Miami
10. Louisville
10. Pitt
10. Syracuse
10. BC
This is a football list of course, in case that was unclear. Happy to have you guys in the ACC, just don't have any particular reason to get jazzed up over Duke-Louisville football, especially not enough to want to guarantee it's every year at the expense of playing our longtime rivals (and beating them for a change these days). Certainly doesn't warrant comparing us to UK fans -- I think we can both agree they're awful.
Duke-Louisville basketball I wouldn't mind seeing H/A every year for awhile, even at the expense of Wake or State.
For BC - Syracuse, Clemson/Miami, and VT/Pitt
(04-21-2014 04:02 AM)wildthing202 Wrote: [ -> ]For BC - Syracuse, Clemson/Miami, and VT/Pitt
This is an excellent example, so please don't think I'm picking on you, wildthing - when there are pairs of teams and you don't care which one you play as long as it's one of them, keep in mind that a divisionless 3 perm / 5 rotating schedule would allow you play these pairs in alternating years. In other words, you can still have 3 other permanent rivals and play these guys every other year, too!
For Louisville
Miami, Pitt and Syracuse
Miami for the Schnellenberger connection
Pitt because it also could be a Trophy Game...and Syracuse because before they left the BIG EAST it was becoming a very good Rivalry Game in both Football and Basketball.
The natural problem the league would have if they tried to do this by taking a poll is that too many teams would want Miami as a permanent rival. Miami is only allowed three like everybody else, so something has to give.
The point somebody else made, though, is the reason why an 8 game slate is infinitely preferable to 9. Everybody plays everybody else at least twice, and at least once at home, every four year. That's hard to beat.
(04-21-2014 04:12 PM)ACCslater Wrote: [ -> ]Remind me again which fanbase was unhappy with this articles selections? I don't see how you could top this list: http://www.southernpigskin.com/acc/a-pos...divisions/
I wouldn't necessarily be upset but I don't think Louisville should get both VT and Miami and Pitt get neither when Pitt has a lot more history with both. I think if you just switch UVA and VT that would work better.