Why doesn't Gaetz grow a pair and openly run for Speaker? Seems like he'd be a first ballot shoo-in with his people skills and trustability.

(10-17-2023 08:36 PM)boss man Wrote:  Why doesn't Gaetz grow a pair and openly run for Speaker? Seems like he'd be a first ballot shoo-in with his people skills and trustability.

To be clear---Im not saying Im some huge Gaetz fan----Im just happen to be sympathetic to his view on this issue.

(10-17-2023 07:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 07:23 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 04:21 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 04:11 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 12:52 PM)fsquid Wrote:  20 Republican voted for someone else.

You mean they voted "With the Democrats".

Like Democrats, the curent RINO Republican rebels voted for someone other than Jordan---causing the Speakership to remain vacant. Just so everyone is on the same page----Gaetz and his group never voted for Jefffries either.

Gaetz is the only one who qualifies as a RINO since he voted with the Democrats to remove a Republican speaker. There are 8 who can't call anyone a RINO without looking as stupid as the people who still believe the Trump-Russia collusion theory.

Progress cant happen without change. Change and progress toward conservative goals is never ever going to happen with moderates and purple RINO's running the show. Those 8 are interested in a Republican conference that behaves in a more conservative manner---rather than being Democrat Lite. Sorry----Im all for that. If they had to break a few eggs to get there---so be it. Nobody is saying the purple RINO's cant vote in their their little Uniparty way----but they sure as hell should not be leading the Republican Party. The RINO's can be useful as a bipartisan bridge to compromise----but that bridge should come after we pass conservative legislation that reflects the goals of the Party. Its of course going to get watered down in a compromise with the Democrat controlled Senate----but dont start negotiating from the compromise position you hope to end up at. Start further to the right so you have some chips to give away during negotiations.

Or can backfire and the outrageous things that you know you will have to give away in negotiations come back to bite you in the ass.

Another day passes without a House speaker. One day closer to a government shutdown. Or Hakeem Jeffries as speaker. Those are the two options apparently

(10-17-2023 06:47 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  How do you screw tings up as badly as republicans have screwed this up?

You start by not having a strong policy platform or agenda.
Then you continue by not having strong leaders.
Then you end up herding cats.

Democrats have a policy agenda. It is a harmful one IMO, but it is one. Then they have leaders who lead. That's how they avoid clusterflocks like this.

The last time republicans had a policy agenda and leadersip was Newt's Contract in 1994. How did that turn out? Pretty good, until they all decided to go chase Monicagate instead of govern.

No offense, but none of what you said actually matters for this congress.


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(10-17-2023 10:04 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  No offense, but none of what you said actually matters for this congress.

Hasn't mattered for at least several congresses. And that's the problem.

(10-17-2023 07:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 06:47 PM)TripleA Wrote:  After listening to the reporting tonight, I don't think Jordan will make it. The Repubs are just never all on the same page.

Jordan got 12 less votes today than McCarthy did when he was ousted. They're fighting over trivial sh!t. Like whose supporters twisted too many arms too hard. Good grief. Imbeciles.

There are reports that some no votes will flip to yes tomorrow, but also reports that some yes votes will flip to no.

I think McCarthy had 203 votes after his first vote. Seems like getting Jordan over the top is in the range of the doable. There is a lot more going on and much less time to fool around than there was in back in January when this process played out for McCarthy. I think eventually, the pressure from the media and from the voters back home on the whiners will eventually push this to a conclusion. Despite all the criticism of the Gaetz group---its instructive to note the Gaetz group never tried to cut a deal with Democrats and Gaetz did eventually negotiate an agreement that allowed a RINO Leader his group absolutely did not want and did not trust---to claim the gavel. Can the RINOs be grown up enough to do the same thing? So far---it doesnt appear so.

Yeah, I meant compared to how many voted against McCarthy when he was ousted. 8 Repubs voted against McCarthy. 20 voted against Jordan.

As for Jordan's chances, I don't have as much faith as you do.

My question is, if Jordan can't get it, who can?

(10-17-2023 09:37 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Another day passes without a House speaker. One day closer to a government shutdown. Or Hakeem Jeffries as speaker. Those are the two options apparently

Name the Repubs who will vote for Jeffries.

You do all see where this is going, right? Did you not learn anything from McCarthy?

All that's happening is the GOP, again, playing with government solely to achieve a bunch of concessions from Jordan that if he does become speaker will hamstring him to a bunch of factions and special interest parties in the GOP to basically neuter him just as they did with McCarthy.

It's just embarrassing at this point.

Republican's can't govern. This will likely never not be true. :cofffee3:

(10-18-2023 07:12 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You do all see where this is going, right? Did you not learn anything from McCarthy?

All that's happening is the GOP, again, playing with government solely to achieve a bunch of concessions from Jordan that if he does become speaker will hamstring him to a bunch of factions and special interest parties in the GOP to basically neuter him just as they did with McCarthy.

It's just embarrassing at this point.

Republican's can't govern. This will likely never not be true. :cofffee3:

using that logic, status quo will still reign supreme under the guise of corpshite 'murica and muh PACs...

the only thingy the donks do better is minimize 'infighting' ... most intelligent folk would view that as a negative ... ref: six sigma

regardless, ewe keep doing ewe ... ewe're an easier read than a cheap dime-store novel...

(10-18-2023 04:30 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 07:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 06:47 PM)TripleA Wrote:  After listening to the reporting tonight, I don't think Jordan will make it. The Repubs are just never all on the same page.

Jordan got 12 less votes today than McCarthy did when he was ousted. They're fighting over trivial sh!t. Like whose supporters twisted too many arms too hard. Good grief. Imbeciles.

There are reports that some no votes will flip to yes tomorrow, but also reports that some yes votes will flip to no.

I think McCarthy had 203 votes after his first vote. Seems like getting Jordan over the top is in the range of the doable. There is a lot more going on and much less time to fool around than there was in back in January when this process played out for McCarthy. I think eventually, the pressure from the media and from the voters back home on the whiners will eventually push this to a conclusion. Despite all the criticism of the Gaetz group---its instructive to note the Gaetz group never tried to cut a deal with Democrats and Gaetz did eventually negotiate an agreement that allowed a RINO Leader his group absolutely did not want and did not trust---to claim the gavel. Can the RINOs be grown up enough to do the same thing? So far---it doesnt appear so.

Yeah, I meant compared to how many voted against McCarthy when he was ousted. 8 Repubs voted against McCarthy. 20 voted against Jordan.

As for Jordan's chances, I don't have as much faith as you do.

My question is, if Jordan can't get it, who can?

Jordan is likely toast. Guys like Buck in Colorado aren't budging until they get someone on the ballot that they want.

I think yesterday upset a lot of replublicans. Yesterday all I heard was Jeffries talking about how they want a real speaker that will "unite" both parties....we all know the dems will not vote for any republican. Yet, you have dumg replublican throwing a temer tantrum over ego.

(10-17-2023 09:37 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Another day passes without a House speaker. One day closer to a government shutdown. Or Hakeem Jeffries as speaker. Those are the two options apparently

Good let the government shut down, for every day it's shut down nobody in the House or Senate should get paid and their next deposit should show it. We put that money to pay off the massive debt they've incurred off the back of working Americans.

(10-18-2023 08:11 AM)hburg Wrote:  I think yesterday upset a lot of replublicans. Yesterday all I heard was Jeffries talking about how they want a real speaker that will "unite" both parties....we all know the dems will not vote for any republican. Yet, you have dumg replublican throwing a temer tantrum over ego.

But that won't happen... The Democratic Party is working lock step as one.. The same policies under Pelosi would restart under Jefferies.

We have a split faction within the GOP. The conservatives and members of the Uniparty.. I don't think there's one person within the group that can unite both sides..

(10-18-2023 08:16 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 09:37 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Another day passes without a House speaker. One day closer to a government shutdown. Or Hakeem Jeffries as speaker. Those are the two options apparently

Good let the government shut down, for every day it's shut down nobody in the House or Senate should get paid and their next deposit should show it. We put that money to pay off the massive debt they've incurred off the back of working Americans.

Isn't it in the constitution that Congress has to be paid even during shutdown.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/government-...-get-paid/
"The reason is because of how their pay is treated under the Constitution and federal law. Article I, Section 6 of the Constitution states: "The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States." This means they must get paid whether or not other parts of the government are funded."

27th Amendment.

(10-18-2023 08:35 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  27th Amendment.

Not seeing anything in that amendment about pay during shutdowns.

(10-18-2023 04:34 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 09:37 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Another day passes without a House speaker. One day closer to a government shutdown. Or Hakeem Jeffries as speaker. Those are the two options apparently

Name the Repubs who will vote for Jeffries.

Doesn't matter. If Repubs can't coalesce around their own house speaker, and refuse to vote for Hakeem Jeffries, then the government will shut down and the blame will rightly fall on the Repubs.

(10-18-2023 08:37 AM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 08:35 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  27th Amendment.

Not seeing anything in that amendment about pay during shutdowns.

You can't impact pay until the next congress.

They will get paid.

(10-18-2023 08:31 AM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(10-18-2023 08:16 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(10-17-2023 09:37 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Another day passes without a House speaker. One day closer to a government shutdown. Or Hakeem Jeffries as speaker. Those are the two options apparently

Good let the government shut down, for every day it's shut down nobody in the House or Senate should get paid and their next deposit should show it. We put that money to pay off the massive debt they've incurred off the back of working Americans.

Isn't it in the constitution that Congress has to be paid even during shutdown.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/government-...-get-paid/
"The reason is because of how their pay is treated under the Constitution and federal law. Article I, Section 6 of the Constitution states: "The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States." This means they must get paid whether or not other parts of the government are funded."

Over the head.. The people who create the problem still get rewarded for creating the problem..