(01-18-2022 10:36 PM)johnintx Wrote:  OU and Texas appear to be prepared to wait out the GOR. OU, in particular, can't afford to buy out the GOR. And there appear to be no negotiations at this time for an early exit. Of course, the entire business model of college athletics is subject to change, and future court decisions could make the GOR moot. Nonetheless, I still lean toward the idea of a 2023 exit.

Anything is negotiable. If ESPN wants it to happen, it will happen.

ESPN doesn't appear to have much reason to throw money at the Big 12 to help OU and UT leave for fall 2023. That's because ESPN/ABC doesn't get full control of SEC TV rights until fall 2024.

If Disney paid some of the money to get OU and UT into the SEC in 2023, then CBS, in the last year of its SEC contract, would have the right to televise the OU-UT game and could also, if they wanted, pick up to four more games that season of OU and/or UT, without CBS having to pay an extra dime. So, I don't see any incentive for ESPN to contribute money to a fall 2023 move. Fall 2024 is a different story.

(01-18-2022 04:03 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  Some criteria -
If at all possible keep the old Big 8 together:
KU, KSU, ISU, OSU

For the next 3 years, OU and OSU would like to be in same division.

WVU and Cinci need to be in same division

TCU and BYU have a rivalry

So they could do a B12 East with
KU, KSU, ISU, OSU, WVU, CIN, OU*

B12 West with
BYU, TCU, TECH, BAY, HOUS, UCF, TEX*


B12 EAST travel-wise gives WVU and CIN a travel partner, keeps 5 of Big 8 together another 3 years, and puts OU in opposite division from Texas

B12 West preserves BYU/TCU rivalry and travel from UCF to HOUS, BAY is not bad

**As far as OU and Texas... I'm all for doing the opposite of what OU and TX want done as far as divisions

A benefit of this arrangement is that the east has all the remaining Big 8 schools and the west has former Southwest Conference schools.

GoBuckeyes had the right idea eschewing the “East” and “West” division names.

Most of the proposed splits above would work with these division names:

“Saints Division”
BYU, TCU, Baylor & 4 others

“Sinners Division“
CINcinnati, CENtral Florida, & others

(01-18-2022 10:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 10:36 PM)johnintx Wrote:  OU and Texas appear to be prepared to wait out the GOR. OU, in particular, can't afford to buy out the GOR. And there appear to be no negotiations at this time for an early exit. Of course, the entire business model of college athletics is subject to change, and future court decisions could make the GOR moot. Nonetheless, I still lean toward the idea of a 2023 exit.

Anything is negotiable. If ESPN wants it to happen, it will happen.

ESPN doesn't appear to have much reason to throw money at the Big 12 to help OU and UT leave for fall 2023. That's because ESPN/ABC doesn't get full control of SEC TV rights until fall 2024.

If Disney paid some of the money to get OU and UT into the SEC in 2023, then CBS, in the last year of its SEC contract, would have the right to televise the OU-UT game and could also, if they wanted, pick up to four more games that season of OU and/or UT, without CBS having to pay an extra dime. So, I don't see any incentive for ESPN to contribute money to a fall 2023 move. Fall 2024 is a different story.

I’ve thought about that too. My solution would be for ESPN to facilitate paying the Big XII buyout but to also negotiate a deal with CBS to limit putting OU and Texas in the 3:30 games. Say ESPN assigns the streaming, or streaming and broadcast, rights to the first two Rounds of both the Masters and PGA Championship in 2023. CBS already airs the final 2 rounds of those and could use it to sell Paramount+. If you have to, throw them 2 more non-OU/UT SEC conference games they can air in prime time. In exchange, CBS agrees they won’t use their selections to air Red River in October or the return of Texas-Texas A&M on Rivalry Weekend and a max of 3 games involving either OU or UT. That still lets CBS air either the UGA-OU game or the Bama-Texas game, whichever it prefers, already scheduled for 9/9/23 in the 3:30 slot, allows it to air Auburn-UGA on the 2nd Saturday in October to counterprogram Red River, and they still get the right to pick 2 more games involving UT or OU for the rest of the season (say 2 out of a pool of potential games like OU-A&M, OU-LSU, OU-Mizzou, OU-Florida, Texas-Arkansas, Texas-LSU, Texas-Auburn, Texas-Tennessee or games along those lines).

(01-18-2022 08:51 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 04:49 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 03:46 PM)texoma Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 12:45 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 12:34 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Presumably like this then:

East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Texas, West Virginia
West: Baylor, BYU, Houston, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech

Or the Kansas schools may want to stay west. It could be

East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Iowa State, Houston, Baylor, Texas

West: Texas Tech, TCU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, BYU, Kansas, Kansas State

These splits are always super messy.

Sactowndog I think you have it correctly. The two Kansas schools and the two Oklahoma schools have been together since time began. Those four schools should stay together. Add BYU and the two most western Texas schools should be in the West Division. Also, the four Texas schools should be split equally in both divisions for recruiting purposes for the other schools.

West: Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, BYU, Tech and TCU.

East: West Virginia, Cincy, Iowa State, Baylor, Houston, UCF, Texas

Actually, Oklahoma and OK State were in the Southwest Conference with Texas before Oklahoma joined the Big 6/7/8 and OK State ended up in the Missouri Valley. So no they weren’t together. They weren’t even together in the same division when the Big XII formed.

OU and Oklahoma A&M were in the Missouri Valley Conference, before 1928 when Oklahoma A&M was UTEP'ed, as the 6 other state schools (ISU, NU, MU, KU, KSU, and OU) split off from the private schools.

Colorado was added to form the Big 7 in 1948, and then OSU was added in 1957 to form the Big 8.

Kansas and Iowa State have been in the same conference since 1907, with K-State added in 1913, and OSU added in 1957.

Texas Tech and Baylor have been together since 1957 (when Tech became the 8th member of the SWC).

Right, and OU and OK State were in the SWC before then. That was my point; they were actually linked up with the Texas schools before the Kansas schools.

(01-19-2022 11:26 PM)esayem Wrote:  Right, and OU and OK State were in the SWC before then. That was my point; they were actually linked up with the Texas schools before the Kansas schools.

Oklahoma has been with KU, K State and ISU since 1919. The Big 12 split them from the North in 1996 to 2012, but they were continuously in the same conference with those schools. In fact they were with those schools 1919-28 along with Missouri and Nebraska, who all went off and formed the Big 8 (Big 6 first).

OU was only in the SWC from 1915-1919, basically WWI (!), less time than with the MVC. OK State only until the middle of the roaring 20's. It should be noted that only Baylor of the future 2025 Big 12 was in the SWC with both the Oklahoma schools way back in those years. That is not a connection, that's the conference equivalent of a drunken one night stand.

Oklahoma State has a longer history with the Missouri Valley with schools like Tulsa, Saint Louis and Washington U (St. Louis).

(01-19-2022 08:58 PM)Realigned Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 04:03 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  Some criteria -
If at all possible keep the old Big 8 together:
KU, KSU, ISU, OSU

For the next 3 years, OU and OSU would like to be in same division.

WVU and Cinci need to be in same division

TCU and BYU have a rivalry

So they could do a B12 East with
KU, KSU, ISU, OSU, WVU, CIN, OU*

B12 West with
BYU, TCU, TECH, BAY, HOUS, UCF, TEX*


B12 EAST travel-wise gives WVU and CIN a travel partner, keeps 5 of Big 8 together another 3 years, and puts OU in opposite division from Texas

B12 West preserves BYU/TCU rivalry and travel from UCF to HOUS, BAY is not bad

**As far as OU and Texas... I'm all for doing the opposite of what OU and TX want done as far as divisions

A benefit of this arrangement is that the east has all the remaining Big 8 schools and the west has former Southwest Conference schools.

A North / South division make more sense geographically than East / West.

North
OU, OK State, KU, K State, Iowa State, BYU, Cincy

South
Texas, TX Tech, Baylor, TCU, Houston, UCF, West Virginia

(01-20-2022 01:28 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 11:26 PM)esayem Wrote:  Right, and OU and OK State were in the SWC before then. That was my point; they were actually linked up with the Texas schools before the Kansas schools.

Oklahoma has been with KU, K State and ISU since 1919. The Big 12 split them from the North in 1996 to 2012, but they were continuously in the same conference with those schools. In fact they were with those schools 1919-28 along with Missouri and Nebraska, who all went off and formed the Big 8 (Big 6 first).

OU was only in the SWC from 1915-1919, basically WWI (!), less time than with the MVC. OK State only until the middle of the roaring 20's. It should be noted that only Baylor of the future 2025 Big 12 was in the SWC with both the Oklahoma schools way back in those years. That is not a connection, that's the conference equivalent of a drunken one night stand.

Oklahoma State has a longer history with the Missouri Valley with schools like Tulsa, Saint Louis and Washington U (St. Louis).

Thanks for taking the time to write all that up, but I already know this.

My point is Oklahoma and OK State were with the Texas schools BEFORE they were with the Kansas schools. I’m not sure why people don’t understand how to read and comprehend something so simple. You can call it what you want but that is a FACT.

Nobody is disputing your stupid argument which is common knowledge. As evidenced by the original Big XII, OK State and the Kansas schools are not tied to the hip.

(01-20-2022 09:27 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 08:58 PM)Realigned Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 04:03 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  Some criteria -
If at all possible keep the old Big 8 together:
KU, KSU, ISU, OSU

For the next 3 years, OU and OSU would like to be in same division.

WVU and Cinci need to be in same division

TCU and BYU have a rivalry

So they could do a B12 East with
KU, KSU, ISU, OSU, WVU, CIN, OU*

B12 West with
BYU, TCU, TECH, BAY, HOUS, UCF, TEX*


B12 EAST travel-wise gives WVU and CIN a travel partner, keeps 5 of Big 8 together another 3 years, and puts OU in opposite division from Texas

B12 West preserves BYU/TCU rivalry and travel from UCF to HOUS, BAY is not bad

**As far as OU and Texas... I'm all for doing the opposite of what OU and TX want done as far as divisions

A benefit of this arrangement is that the east has all the remaining Big 8 schools and the west has former Southwest Conference schools.

A North / South division make more sense geographically than East / West.

North
OU, OK State, KU, K State, Iowa State, BYU, Cincy

South
Texas, TX Tech, Baylor, TCU, Houston, UCF, West Virginia

No way all the Texas schools and UCF are going in the same division. Also, Cincy and WVU will not be separated.

(01-20-2022 10:02 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 01:28 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 11:26 PM)esayem Wrote:  Right, and OU and OK State were in the SWC before then. That was my point; they were actually linked up with the Texas schools before the Kansas schools.

Oklahoma has been with KU, K State and ISU since 1919. The Big 12 split them from the North in 1996 to 2012, but they were continuously in the same conference with those schools. In fact they were with those schools 1919-28 along with Missouri and Nebraska, who all went off and formed the Big 8 (Big 6 first).

OU was only in the SWC from 1915-1919, basically WWI (!), less time than with the MVC. OK State only until the middle of the roaring 20's. It should be noted that only Baylor of the future 2025 Big 12 was in the SWC with both the Oklahoma schools way back in those years. That is not a connection, that's the conference equivalent of a drunken one night stand.

Oklahoma State has a longer history with the Missouri Valley with schools like Tulsa, Saint Louis and Washington U (St. Louis).

Thanks for taking the time to write all that up, but I already know this.

My point is Oklahoma and OK State were with the Texas schools BEFORE they were with the Kansas schools. I’m not sure why people don’t understand how to read and comprehend something so simple. You can call it what you want but that is a FACT.

Nobody is disputing your stupid argument which is common knowledge. As evidenced by the original Big XII, OK State and the Kansas schools are not tied to the hip.

What happened 100 or so years ago is not really very relevant. I think what has happened more recently is most important.

The two Oklahoma schools and the two Kansas schools have been in the same conference since the 1950's, the last 60+ years. They are very close to each other and have a lot in common. IMO they should be kept in the same division......while OU is there and after OU leaves.
(You could make the argument that Iowa State belongs in this group but they are quite a distance from Oklahoma and Kansas. Plus they bridge the gap between Cincy and West Virginia).

IMO it is very important that the four Texas schools be split between the divisions. The SWC failed for a reason. Recreating a smaller version of the defunct SWC is not a good idea.

TCU's biggest rival is SMU. Baylor and TCU had some heated games in the last few years, but that was mostly because Briles and Patterson had some very real issues.....they are no longer involved. When my daughter attended Baylor the Aggies were the biggest game on their schedule. Probably because they played the aggies most years for the homecoming game. Currently I do not know who is Baylor's biggest game is, it could turn out to be Houston. The Texas teams will still be in the same conference and still play each other.

The other schools in the conference should have an equal opportunity to play the Texas teams for recruiting purposes. I know the argument that West Virginia and Cincy do not recruit Texas, but that could change. There are a whole lot of players in Texas.

So if my proposal has merit.... Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State would be in the same division. Who do you add? To me BYU, Tech and TCU would be the most logical.

If you agree with my thesis that recreating a mini SWC is a bad idea and the other schools should have an equal opportunity to recruit Texas
then: Texas, Baylor, Houston, UCF, West Virginia, Cincy, and Iowa State would be in the other division.

Rivalries and proximity are important. It would be a mistake to separate rivals and driving-distance teams. I get that most will want to play in Texas annually, but it would be silly to not have TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech and Houston to play each other every year in football...just like it would be silly to separate Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State or West Virginia and Cincinnati.

I note that the Big 12 North Division had zero teams in Texas and yet the North Teams usually had an annual game in Texas. With 4 teams in Texas, and temporarily 5 with UT, and at least 3 cross-division games, you can still ensure adequate Texas presence for everyone in the conference.

If the South Division consists of the Texas schools plus UCF and BYU, with four teams in Texas, you can schedule so that Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, and Iowa State play each other every year and play in Texas and two teams from Texas every year:

KANSAS
Year 1- @UCF, Baylor, @Houston
Year 2- Texas Tech, @TCU, BYU
Year 3- UCF, @Baylor, Houston
Year 4 - @Texas Tech, TCU, @BYU

KANSAS STATE
Year 1- Texas Tech, @TCU, BYU
Year 2- @UCF, Baylor, @Houston
Year 3- @Texas Tech, TCU, @BYU
Year 4 - UCF, @Baylor, Houston

IOWA STATE
Year 1- UCF, @Texas Tech, TCU
Year 2- @Baylor, Houston, @BYU
Year 3- @UCF, Texas Tech, @TCU
Year 4 - Baylor, @Houston, BYU

OKLAHOMA STATE
Year 1- Baylor, @Houston, BYU
Year 2- @UCF, Texas Tech, @TCU
Year 3- @Baylor, Houston, @BYU
Year 4 - UCF, @Texas Tech, TCU

(01-20-2022 12:28 PM)texoma Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 10:02 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 01:28 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 11:26 PM)esayem Wrote:  Right, and OU and OK State were in the SWC before then. That was my point; they were actually linked up with the Texas schools before the Kansas schools.

Oklahoma has been with KU, K State and ISU since 1919. The Big 12 split them from the North in 1996 to 2012, but they were continuously in the same conference with those schools. In fact they were with those schools 1919-28 along with Missouri and Nebraska, who all went off and formed the Big 8 (Big 6 first).

OU was only in the SWC from 1915-1919, basically WWI (!), less time than with the MVC. OK State only until the middle of the roaring 20's. It should be noted that only Baylor of the future 2025 Big 12 was in the SWC with both the Oklahoma schools way back in those years. That is not a connection, that's the conference equivalent of a drunken one night stand.

Oklahoma State has a longer history with the Missouri Valley with schools like Tulsa, Saint Louis and Washington U (St. Louis).

Thanks for taking the time to write all that up, but I already know this.

My point is Oklahoma and OK State were with the Texas schools BEFORE they were with the Kansas schools. I’m not sure why people don’t understand how to read and comprehend something so simple. You can call it what you want but that is a FACT.

Nobody is disputing your stupid argument which is common knowledge. As evidenced by the original Big XII, OK State and the Kansas schools are not tied to the hip.

What happened 100 or so years ago is not really very relevant. I think what has happened more recently is most important.

The two Oklahoma schools and the two Kansas schools have been in the same conference since the 1950's, the last 60+ years. They are very close to each other and have a lot in common. IMO they should be kept in the same division......while OU is there and after OU leaves.
(You could make the argument that Iowa State belongs in this group but they are quite a distance from Oklahoma and Kansas. Plus they bridge the gap between Cincy and West Virginia).

IMO it is very important that the four Texas schools be split between the divisions. The SWC failed for a reason. Recreating a smaller version of the defunct SWC is not a good idea.

TCU's biggest rival is SMU. Baylor and TCU had some heated games in the last few years, but that was mostly because Briles and Patterson had some very real issues.....they are no longer involved. When my daughter attended Baylor the Aggies were the biggest game on their schedule. Probably because they played the aggies most years for the homecoming game. Currently I do not know who is Baylor's biggest game is, it could turn out to be Houston. The Texas teams will still be in the same conference and still play each other.

The other schools in the conference should have an equal opportunity to play the Texas teams for recruiting purposes. I know the argument that West Virginia and Cincy do not recruit Texas, but that could change. There are a whole lot of players in Texas.

So if my proposal has merit.... Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State would be in the same division. Who do you add? To me BYU, Tech and TCU would be the most logical.

If you agree with my thesis that recreating a mini SWC is a bad idea and the other schools should have an equal opportunity to recruit Texas
then: Texas, Baylor, Houston, UCF, West Virginia, Cincy, and Iowa State would be in the other division.

OU and Oklahoma St. were in a different division than the Kansas schools when the Big 12 had divisions. TCU and Baylor is the 14th most played FBS series, tied with series such as Texas/OU and Michigan/Ohio St. It was the 2nd most played before the breakup of the SWC. That history is very much relevant. Both schools have Waco roots.

(01-20-2022 12:28 PM)texoma Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 10:02 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 01:28 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 11:26 PM)esayem Wrote:  Right, and OU and OK State were in the SWC before then. That was my point; they were actually linked up with the Texas schools before the Kansas schools.

Oklahoma has been with KU, K State and ISU since 1919. The Big 12 split them from the North in 1996 to 2012, but they were continuously in the same conference with those schools. In fact they were with those schools 1919-28 along with Missouri and Nebraska, who all went off and formed the Big 8 (Big 6 first).

OU was only in the SWC from 1915-1919, basically WWI (!), less time than with the MVC. OK State only until the middle of the roaring 20's. It should be noted that only Baylor of the future 2025 Big 12 was in the SWC with both the Oklahoma schools way back in those years. That is not a connection, that's the conference equivalent of a drunken one night stand.

Oklahoma State has a longer history with the Missouri Valley with schools like Tulsa, Saint Louis and Washington U (St. Louis).

Thanks for taking the time to write all that up, but I already know this.

My point is Oklahoma and OK State were with the Texas schools BEFORE they were with the Kansas schools. I’m not sure why people don’t understand how to read and comprehend something so simple. You can call it what you want but that is a FACT.

Nobody is disputing your stupid argument which is common knowledge. As evidenced by the original Big XII, OK State and the Kansas schools are not tied to the hip.

What happened 100 or so years ago is not really very relevant. I think what has happened more recently is most important.

The two Oklahoma schools and the two Kansas schools have been in the same conference since the 1950's, the last 60+ years. They are very close to each other and have a lot in common. IMO they should be kept in the same division......while OU is there and after OU leaves.
(You could make the argument that Iowa State belongs in this group but they are quite a distance from Oklahoma and Kansas. Plus they bridge the gap between Cincy and West Virginia).

Iowa ST is closer to KU than OU is. Distance isn’t really a reason

Big XII divisions should be zippered to allow "equivalent" access, exposure and travel. There should be one to two annual cross division games to maintain/build rivalries. Each team will then play 5 division games, 1 annual cross division games, and 2 rotating cross division games. Listed are annual cross division games.

WEST : EAST

KSU : KU
TTU: UH
TCU: Baylor
ISU : UCF
BYU : OSU
UC : WVU

Each division has 4 old b12 and 2 new. For recruiting each has two in texas, one in kansas, one in midwest (ISU & OSU), one ohio valley (UC & WVU). (it could also have been BYU - ISU and OSU - UCF). until OU and UT leaves: OU west : UT east.
You could also set up an annual second cross division game to maintain rivalry. Conference play could start with one cross division game and end with the other.

(01-20-2022 12:28 PM)texoma Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 10:02 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 01:28 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 11:26 PM)esayem Wrote:  Right, and OU and OK State were in the SWC before then. That was my point; they were actually linked up with the Texas schools before the Kansas schools.

Oklahoma has been with KU, K State and ISU since 1919. The Big 12 split them from the North in 1996 to 2012, but they were continuously in the same conference with those schools. In fact they were with those schools 1919-28 along with Missouri and Nebraska, who all went off and formed the Big 8 (Big 6 first).

OU was only in the SWC from 1915-1919, basically WWI (!), less time than with the MVC. OK State only until the middle of the roaring 20's. It should be noted that only Baylor of the future 2025 Big 12 was in the SWC with both the Oklahoma schools way back in those years. That is not a connection, that's the conference equivalent of a drunken one night stand.

Oklahoma State has a longer history with the Missouri Valley with schools like Tulsa, Saint Louis and Washington U (St. Louis).

Thanks for taking the time to write all that up, but I already know this.

My point is Oklahoma and OK State were with the Texas schools BEFORE they were with the Kansas schools. I’m not sure why people don’t understand how to read and comprehend something so simple. You can call it what you want but that is a FACT.

Nobody is disputing your stupid argument which is common knowledge. As evidenced by the original Big XII, OK State and the Kansas schools are not tied to the hip.

What happened 100 or so years ago is not really very relevant. I think what has happened more recently is most important.

The two Oklahoma schools and the two Kansas schools have been in the same conference since the 1950's, the last 60+ years. They are very close to each other and have a lot in common. IMO they should be kept in the same division......while OU is there and after OU leaves.
(You could make the argument that Iowa State belongs in this group but they are quite a distance from Oklahoma and Kansas. Plus they bridge the gap between Cincy and West Virginia).

IMO it is very important that the four Texas schools be split between the divisions. The SWC failed for a reason. Recreating a smaller version of the defunct SWC is not a good idea.

TCU's biggest rival is SMU. Baylor and TCU had some heated games in the last few years, but that was mostly because Briles and Patterson had some very real issues.....they are no longer involved. When my daughter attended Baylor the Aggies were the biggest game on their schedule. Probably because they played the aggies most years for the homecoming game. Currently I do not know who is Baylor's biggest game is, it could turn out to be Houston. The Texas teams will still be in the same conference and still play each other.

The other schools in the conference should have an equal opportunity to play the Texas teams for recruiting purposes. I know the argument that West Virginia and Cincy do not recruit Texas, but that could change. There are a whole lot of players in Texas.

So if my proposal has merit.... Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State would be in the same division. Who do you add? To me BYU, Tech and TCU would be the most logical.

If you agree with my thesis that recreating a mini SWC is a bad idea and the other schools should have an equal opportunity to recruit Texas
then: Texas, Baylor, Houston, UCF, West Virginia, Cincy, and Iowa State would be in the other division.

Okay, so Oklahoma State being in different divisions than Kansas and Kansas State. Got it.

If Iowa State and the Kansas schools insist on remaining together then it’s easy to put them in a division with UC, WVU, and UCF.

That gives you BYU, TTU, TCU, Baylor, UH, and OSU.

(01-20-2022 04:11 PM)esayem Wrote:  If Iowa State and the Kansas schools insist on remaining together then it’s easy to put them in a division with UC, WVU, and UCF.

That gives you BYU, TTU, TCU, Baylor, UH, and OSU.

While I like that idea, I'm sure every school not located in Texas would like at least one guaranteed trip to the state every football season for recruiting purposes. But again, your idea does make a lot of sense.

(01-20-2022 04:36 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 04:11 PM)esayem Wrote:  If Iowa State and the Kansas schools insist on remaining together then it’s easy to put them in a division with UC, WVU, and UCF.

That gives you BYU, TTU, TCU, Baylor, UH, and OSU.

While I like that idea, I'm sure every school not located in Texas would like at least one guaranteed trip to the state every football season for recruiting purposes. But again, your idea does make a lot of sense.

They would have that with such a divisional alignment even with an 8-game conference schedule. Each East team plays at least 3 West teams, 2 of which are Texas teams (one home, one away). One guaranteed game in Texas. Of course, OSU and BYU each get 2 guaranteed games in Texas each year, which may be a point of contention.

(01-20-2022 04:11 PM)esayem Wrote:  If Iowa State and the Kansas schools insist on remaining together then it’s easy to put them in a division with UC, WVU, and UCF.

That gives you BYU, TTU, TCU, Baylor, UH, and OSU.

I do not think that Iowa State and the Kansas schools will insist on remaining together.

(01-20-2022 04:42 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 04:36 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 04:11 PM)esayem Wrote:  If Iowa State and the Kansas schools insist on remaining together then it’s easy to put them in a division with UC, WVU, and UCF.

That gives you BYU, TTU, TCU, Baylor, UH, and OSU.

While I like that idea, I'm sure every school not located in Texas would like at least one guaranteed trip to the state every football season for recruiting purposes. But again, your idea does make a lot of sense.

They would have that with such a divisional alignment even with an 8-game conference schedule. Each East team plays at least 3 West teams, 2 of which are Texas teams (one home, one away). One guaranteed game in Texas. Of course, OSU and BYU each get 2 guaranteed games in Texas each year, which may be a point of contention.

That's a fair point. I'm sure they can work something out.