(01-20-2022 04:44 PM)texoma Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 04:11 PM)esayem Wrote:  If Iowa State and the Kansas schools insist on remaining together then it’s easy to put them in a division with UC, WVU, and UCF.

That gives you BYU, TTU, TCU, Baylor, UH, and OSU.

I do not think that Iowa State and the Kansas schools will insist on remaining together.

Agreed, especially if that means they decrease their access to good recruiting grounds.

OK, let's approach the 12-team divisional alignment in as logical a manner as possible:

Given the geographic spread of the conference in terms of longitude, it makes sense to have East and West divisions, with the 3 Eastern time zone schools in the East and the Mountain time zone school in the West. The Central time zone teams could go either East or West.

East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, West Virginia
West: BYU

A reasonable assumption is that the non-Texas schools will want equitable access to Texas, with emphasis on the large urban areas in which Houston and TCU in particular reside. This means 2 Texas schools per division, and Houston and TCU can't share a division, nor can Baylor and Texas Tech.

Another reasonable assumption is that the Kansas schools will want to be together in the same division. This can't be the East division because then there wouldn't be enough room for 2 Texas schools. So they've got to be in the West.

East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, West Virginia
West: BYU, Kansas, Kansas State

With 3 non-Texas schools plus 2 Texas schools already pegged for each division, the 2 other schools (ISU and OSU) can't be in the same division. Kansas has by far the weakest FB program, so perhaps we place OSU, arguably the strongest remaining Big 12 school in FB, in the West to balance things out competitively.

East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Iowa State, West Virginia
West: BYU, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State

Now there are 4 possible arrangements of the Texas schools:

1) BU/UH in East + TCU/TT in West
2) TCU/TT in East + BU/UH in West
3) BU/TCU in East + UH/TT in West
4) UH/TT in East + BU/TCU in West

So as to have 2 new members in each division (which is not exactly necessary but still nice), that means Houston would have to be in the West and, consequently, TCU in the East, leaving only options 2 and 3.

Baylor and TCU have both been stronger over the past several years in FB than Houston and Texas Tech, at least by Sagarin rating, so there's some sense in separating Baylor and TCU. Also there's a certain balance in having one public Texas school and one private Texas school in each division. So Baylor to the West and TT to the East.

East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Iowa State, TCU, Texas Tech, West Virginia
West: Baylor, BYU, Houston, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State

This in turn means that during any season in which OUT overlap with the new members, OU would be in the West and UT in the East. (OU has 2 "must play" opponents in OSU and UT and so with a max of one protected crossover, OU must share a division with one of them.)

East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Iowa State, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech, West Virginia
West: Baylor, BYU, Houston, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

Who knows if it'll turn out this way, but that's the best I've got!

Iowa State and Kansas State is the single longest played, never-interrupted series in college football.

Iowa State has six scholarship players on its roster from the state of Texas. Texas and Oklahoma going SEC, as well as Houston getting the bump up, as well as BYU/UC/UCF now playing games in Texas as well, will all make recruiting down there even more difficult and less likely to be prioritized.

Try asking the fans of Iowa State, Kansas and Kansas State if they want to be in the same division and I'm going to guess it's going to be pretty strongly yes. Unless you're in a division with at least three or four Texas teams, you're pretty unlikely to be playing more than two games in the state anyways on a yearly basis. The only question to me is if Oklahoma State wants to be paired with the other three as they have played them far more than the Texas schools.

(01-20-2022 07:37 PM)cc22 Wrote:  Iowa State and Kansas State is the single longest played, never-interrupted series in college football.

And with the coolest name by far, this is the one they call FARMAGEDDON!

I threw this idea out on the Big 12 board knowing its a little more farfetched - but why even worry about BYU and UCF when organizing by geography. Maybe BYU would like regular access to Florida and Texas? Neither school is driving to anyone nearby. It's a flight no matter what. There'd be a Provo-Orlando flight guaranteed every year, but I still kind of like how it protects a lot of rivalries (the four remaining Big 8 schools, the four Texas schools) while getting BYU and UCF regular exposure in Texas (and those schools regular exposure in Florida)

North: Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, West Virginia
South: BYU, Baylor, Houston, TCU, Texas Tech, UCF

Playing 5 conference games against your division team and 4 against the other division. Would guarantee every north division team plays at least once in Texas each year. You could also toy with a protected rivalry.
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I also think TV might even suggest OU/Texas be in separate divisions with a guarantee they'll play each of the two years they remain. They'd obviously like the possibility of both teams playing twice. You'd slot OU in the north and Texas in the South then.

(01-20-2022 07:42 PM)cc22 Wrote:  Try asking the fans of Iowa State, Kansas and Kansas State if they want to be in the same division and I'm going to guess it's going to be pretty strongly yes. Unless you're in a division with at least three or four Texas teams, you're pretty unlikely to be playing more than two games in the state anyways on a yearly basis. The only question to me is if Oklahoma State wants to be paired with the other three as they have played them far more than the Texas schools.

KU, KSU, and ISU, the last remaining founding members of the Big Six, should always be together.

Yes, OSU has played KU/KSU/ISU longer. However, their best success has come in the last 26 years in the B12 South and 10-team B12, with the accompanying access to the state of Texas. If OSU gets a say, they'll take any option with maximum exposure in Texas.

OSU heavily recruits athletes and students in Texas. Their alumni primarily relocate to Texas if they leave the state of Oklahoma. The more exposure OSU gets in Texas, the happier they are.

No Big 12 Divisions alignment will be accepted by the 3/4th of the membership if all the Texas schools are in one Division.

That is going to happen.

(01-21-2022 03:33 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  No Big 12 Divisions alignment will be accepted by the 3/4th of the membership if all the Texas schools are in one Division.

That is going to happen.

Stugray might be onto something. Nothing like that has EVER happened before. Not in the Big XII. Not in the AAC. Not in the C-USA. No conference has EVER put all the Texas teams in one division. It’s just NEVER happened. Now let’s list all the times Texas schools have been split into different divisions in FBS football:

(01-20-2022 01:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 12:28 PM)texoma Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 10:02 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 01:28 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 11:26 PM)esayem Wrote:  Right, and OU and OK State were in the SWC before then. That was my point; they were actually linked up with the Texas schools before the Kansas schools.

Oklahoma has been with KU, K State and ISU since 1919. The Big 12 split them from the North in 1996 to 2012, but they were continuously in the same conference with those schools. In fact they were with those schools 1919-28 along with Missouri and Nebraska, who all went off and formed the Big 8 (Big 6 first).

OU was only in the SWC from 1915-1919, basically WWI (!), less time than with the MVC. OK State only until the middle of the roaring 20's. It should be noted that only Baylor of the future 2025 Big 12 was in the SWC with both the Oklahoma schools way back in those years. That is not a connection, that's the conference equivalent of a drunken one night stand.

Oklahoma State has a longer history with the Missouri Valley with schools like Tulsa, Saint Louis and Washington U (St. Louis).

Thanks for taking the time to write all that up, but I already know this.

My point is Oklahoma and OK State were with the Texas schools BEFORE they were with the Kansas schools. I’m not sure why people don’t understand how to read and comprehend something so simple. You can call it what you want but that is a FACT.

Nobody is disputing your stupid argument which is common knowledge. As evidenced by the original Big XII, OK State and the Kansas schools are not tied to the hip.

What happened 100 or so years ago is not really very relevant. I think what has happened more recently is most important.

The two Oklahoma schools and the two Kansas schools have been in the same conference since the 1950's, the last 60+ years. They are very close to each other and have a lot in common. IMO they should be kept in the same division......while OU is there and after OU leaves.
(You could make the argument that Iowa State belongs in this group but they are quite a distance from Oklahoma and Kansas. Plus they bridge the gap between Cincy and West Virginia).

IMO it is very important that the four Texas schools be split between the divisions. The SWC failed for a reason. Recreating a smaller version of the defunct SWC is not a good idea.

TCU's biggest rival is SMU. Baylor and TCU had some heated games in the last few years, but that was mostly because Briles and Patterson had some very real issues.....they are no longer involved. When my daughter attended Baylor the Aggies were the biggest game on their schedule. Probably because they played the aggies most years for the homecoming game. Currently I do not know who is Baylor's biggest game is, it could turn out to be Houston. The Texas teams will still be in the same conference and still play each other.

The other schools in the conference should have an equal opportunity to play the Texas teams for recruiting purposes. I know the argument that West Virginia and Cincy do not recruit Texas, but that could change. There are a whole lot of players in Texas.

So if my proposal has merit.... Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State would be in the same division. Who do you add? To me BYU, Tech and TCU would be the most logical.

If you agree with my thesis that recreating a mini SWC is a bad idea and the other schools should have an equal opportunity to recruit Texas
then: Texas, Baylor, Houston, UCF, West Virginia, Cincy, and Iowa State would be in the other division.

OU and Oklahoma St. were in a different division than the Kansas schools when the Big 12 had divisions. TCU and Baylor is the 14th most played FBS series, tied with series such as Texas/OU and Michigan/Ohio St. It was the 2nd most played before the breakup of the SWC. That history is very much relevant. Both schools have Waco roots.

Bullet the fact that Baylor and TCU have played each other since, when ever is not relevant to the current Big12 conference. As I said, the SWC failed for a reason and that was because it became an all Texas conference which does not sell in this day and age. (BTW the Big12 has also failed) Baylor vs TCU does not turn on many television sets outside of Tarrant county and some of Texas.

So I think it would be a mistake for all of the Texas teams to be in the same division. TV dollars is now the driving force in college football whether we like it or not.

(01-20-2022 07:43 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 07:37 PM)cc22 Wrote:  Iowa State and Kansas State is the single longest played, never-interrupted series in college football.

And with the coolest name by far, this is the one they call FARMAGEDDON!

Right—as far as division realignment goes, Kansas, Kansas St, and Iowa St are a package deal.

(01-20-2022 06:21 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  OK, let's approach the 12-team divisional alignment in as logical a manner as possible:

Given the geographic spread of the conference in terms of longitude, it makes sense to have East and West divisions, with the 3 Eastern time zone schools in the East and the Mountain time zone school in the West. The Central time zone teams could go either East or West.

East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, West Virginia
West: BYU

A reasonable assumption is that the non-Texas schools will want equitable access to Texas, with emphasis on the large urban areas in which Houston and TCU in particular reside. This means 2 Texas schools per division, and Houston and TCU can't share a division, nor can Baylor and Texas Tech.

Another reasonable assumption is that the Kansas schools will want to be together in the same division. This can't be the East division because then there wouldn't be enough room for 2 Texas schools. So they've got to be in the West.

East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, West Virginia
West: BYU, Kansas, Kansas State

With 3 non-Texas schools plus 2 Texas schools already pegged for each division, the 2 other schools (ISU and OSU) can't be in the same division. Kansas has by far the weakest FB program, so perhaps we place OSU, arguably the strongest remaining Big 12 school in FB, in the West to balance things out competitively.

East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Iowa State, West Virginia
West: BYU, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State

Now there are 4 possible arrangements of the Texas schools:

1) BU/UH in East + TCU/TT in West
2) TCU/TT in East + BU/UH in West
3) BU/TCU in East + UH/TT in West
4) UH/TT in East + BU/TCU in West

So as to have 2 new members in each division (which is not exactly necessary but still nice), that means Houston would have to be in the West and, consequently, TCU in the East, leaving only options 2 and 3.

Baylor and TCU have both been stronger over the past several years in FB than Houston and Texas Tech, at least by Sagarin rating, so there's some sense in separating Baylor and TCU. Also there's a certain balance in having one public Texas school and one private Texas school in each division. So Baylor to the West and TT to the East.

East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Iowa State, TCU, Texas Tech, West Virginia
West: Baylor, BYU, Houston, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State

This in turn means that during any season in which OUT overlap with the new members, OU would be in the West and UT in the East. (OU has 2 "must play" opponents in OSU and UT and so with a max of one protected crossover, OU must share a division with one of them.)

East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Iowa State, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech, West Virginia
West: Baylor, BYU, Houston, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

Who knows if it'll turn out this way, but that's the best I've got!

I was following this until you put TT in the East. I would flop TT and TCU to West and put Houston and Baylor in East. But I still would like to find a way to put ISU in the West with KSU and Kan.

(01-21-2022 12:04 PM)texoma Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 01:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 12:28 PM)texoma Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 10:02 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 01:28 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

Oklahoma has been with KU, K State and ISU since 1919. The Big 12 split them from the North in 1996 to 2012, but they were continuously in the same conference with those schools. In fact they were with those schools 1919-28 along with Missouri and Nebraska, who all went off and formed the Big 8 (Big 6 first).

OU was only in the SWC from 1915-1919, basically WWI (!), less time than with the MVC. OK State only until the middle of the roaring 20's. It should be noted that only Baylor of the future 2025 Big 12 was in the SWC with both the Oklahoma schools way back in those years. That is not a connection, that's the conference equivalent of a drunken one night stand.

Oklahoma State has a longer history with the Missouri Valley with schools like Tulsa, Saint Louis and Washington U (St. Louis).

Thanks for taking the time to write all that up, but I already know this.

My point is Oklahoma and OK State were with the Texas schools BEFORE they were with the Kansas schools. I’m not sure why people don’t understand how to read and comprehend something so simple. You can call it what you want but that is a FACT.

Nobody is disputing your stupid argument which is common knowledge. As evidenced by the original Big XII, OK State and the Kansas schools are not tied to the hip.

What happened 100 or so years ago is not really very relevant. I think what has happened more recently is most important.

The two Oklahoma schools and the two Kansas schools have been in the same conference since the 1950's, the last 60+ years. They are very close to each other and have a lot in common. IMO they should be kept in the same division......while OU is there and after OU leaves.
(You could make the argument that Iowa State belongs in this group but they are quite a distance from Oklahoma and Kansas. Plus they bridge the gap between Cincy and West Virginia).

IMO it is very important that the four Texas schools be split between the divisions. The SWC failed for a reason. Recreating a smaller version of the defunct SWC is not a good idea.

TCU's biggest rival is SMU. Baylor and TCU had some heated games in the last few years, but that was mostly because Briles and Patterson had some very real issues.....they are no longer involved. When my daughter attended Baylor the Aggies were the biggest game on their schedule. Probably because they played the aggies most years for the homecoming game. Currently I do not know who is Baylor's biggest game is, it could turn out to be Houston. The Texas teams will still be in the same conference and still play each other.

The other schools in the conference should have an equal opportunity to play the Texas teams for recruiting purposes. I know the argument that West Virginia and Cincy do not recruit Texas, but that could change. There are a whole lot of players in Texas.

So if my proposal has merit.... Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State would be in the same division. Who do you add? To me BYU, Tech and TCU would be the most logical.

If you agree with my thesis that recreating a mini SWC is a bad idea and the other schools should have an equal opportunity to recruit Texas
then: Texas, Baylor, Houston, UCF, West Virginia, Cincy, and Iowa State would be in the other division.

OU and Oklahoma St. were in a different division than the Kansas schools when the Big 12 had divisions. TCU and Baylor is the 14th most played FBS series, tied with series such as Texas/OU and Michigan/Ohio St. It was the 2nd most played before the breakup of the SWC. That history is very much relevant. Both schools have Waco roots.

Bullet the fact that Baylor and TCU have played each other since, when ever is not relevant to the current Big12 conference. As I said, the SWC failed for a reason and that was because it became an all Texas conference which does not sell in this day and age. (BTW the Big12 has also failed) Baylor vs TCU does not turn on many television sets outside of Tarrant county and some of Texas.

So I think it would be a mistake for all of the Texas teams to be in the same division. TV dollars is now the driving force in college football whether we like it or not.

Baylor TCU is a very big rivalry to the schools. By your tv standards the big 12 shouldn’t play any games unless UT or OU are involved.

(01-21-2022 03:33 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  No Big 12 Divisions alignment will be accepted by the 3/4th of the membership if all the Texas schools are in one Division.

That is going to happen.

yup. especially when there are clear alternatives to doing so

(01-21-2022 08:13 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 03:33 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  No Big 12 Divisions alignment will be accepted by the 3/4th of the membership if all the Texas schools are in one Division.

That is going to happen.

Stugray might be onto something. Nothing like that has EVER happened before. Not in the Big XII. Not in the AAC. Not in the C-USA. No conference has EVER put all the Texas teams in one division. It’s just NEVER happened. Now let’s list all the times Texas schools have been split into different divisions in FBS football:

I hate to break it to you, but in 1996 the 16-team WAC put UTEP in a Quadrant 3 with Utah, BYU, and New Mexico instead of Quadrant 4 with SMU, TCU, and Rice.

That clearly sets the precedent for the future Big 12 in 2023, regardless of what every other conference is doing right now and has done in the past.

(01-21-2022 12:45 PM)goofus Wrote:  I was following this until you put TT in the East. I would flop TT and TCU to West and put Houston and Baylor in East. But I still would like to find a way to put ISU in the West with KSU and Kan.

Certainly doable. In retrospect, it probably doesn't matter whether the incoming teams are split evenly between divisions. That was the only factor that resulted in Baylor+Houston in the West and TCU+TT in the East as opposed to the other way around. So, let's flip them!

East: Baylor, Central Florida, Cincinnati, Houston, Iowa State, West Virginia
West: BYU, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech

And if OUT aren't out by 2023:

East: Baylor, Central Florida, Cincinnati, Houston, Iowa State, Texas, West Virginia
West: BYU, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech

Re: ISU, even with an 8-game conference schedule, they'll be playing both Kansas and Kansas State every other year once the Big 12 is back to 12. With a 9-game conference schedule, each team can actually protect 2 interdivisional opponents as annual and still play everyone in the league at least twice in a 4-year span. Maybe something like this:

East / West
BU+UH / TCU+TT
UCF+ISU / KU+KSU
UC+WVU / BYU+OSU

Swapping ISU and OSU is definitely an option though.

East: Baylor, Central Florida, Cincinnati, Houston, Oklahoma State, West Virginia
West: BYU, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, TCU, Texas Tech

(with OU and UT)

East: Baylor, Central Florida, Cincinnati, Houston, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, West Virginia
West: BYU, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech

(01-21-2022 02:19 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 12:04 PM)texoma Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 01:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 12:28 PM)texoma Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 10:02 AM)esayem Wrote:  Thanks for taking the time to write all that up, but I already know this.

My point is Oklahoma and OK State were with the Texas schools BEFORE they were with the Kansas schools. I’m not sure why people don’t understand how to read and comprehend something so simple. You can call it what you want but that is a FACT.

Nobody is disputing your stupid argument which is common knowledge. As evidenced by the original Big XII, OK State and the Kansas schools are not tied to the hip.

What happened 100 or so years ago is not really very relevant. I think what has happened more recently is most important.

The two Oklahoma schools and the two Kansas schools have been in the same conference since the 1950's, the last 60+ years. They are very close to each other and have a lot in common. IMO they should be kept in the same division......while OU is there and after OU leaves.
(You could make the argument that Iowa State belongs in this group but they are quite a distance from Oklahoma and Kansas. Plus they bridge the gap between Cincy and West Virginia).

IMO it is very important that the four Texas schools be split between the divisions. The SWC failed for a reason. Recreating a smaller version of the defunct SWC is not a good idea.

TCU's biggest rival is SMU. Baylor and TCU had some heated games in the last few years, but that was mostly because Briles and Patterson had some very real issues.....they are no longer involved. When my daughter attended Baylor the Aggies were the biggest game on their schedule. Probably because they played the aggies most years for the homecoming game. Currently I do not know who is Baylor's biggest game is, it could turn out to be Houston. The Texas teams will still be in the same conference and still play each other.

The other schools in the conference should have an equal opportunity to play the Texas teams for recruiting purposes. I know the argument that West Virginia and Cincy do not recruit Texas, but that could change. There are a whole lot of players in Texas.

So if my proposal has merit.... Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State would be in the same division. Who do you add? To me BYU, Tech and TCU would be the most logical.

If you agree with my thesis that recreating a mini SWC is a bad idea and the other schools should have an equal opportunity to recruit Texas
then: Texas, Baylor, Houston, UCF, West Virginia, Cincy, and Iowa State would be in the other division.

OU and Oklahoma St. were in a different division than the Kansas schools when the Big 12 had divisions. TCU and Baylor is the 14th most played FBS series, tied with series such as Texas/OU and Michigan/Ohio St. It was the 2nd most played before the breakup of the SWC. That history is very much relevant. Both schools have Waco roots.

Bullet the fact that Baylor and TCU have played each other since, when ever is not relevant to the current Big12 conference. As I said, the SWC failed for a reason and that was because it became an all Texas conference which does not sell in this day and age. (BTW the Big12 has also failed) Baylor vs TCU does not turn on many television sets outside of Tarrant county and some of Texas.

So I think it would be a mistake for all of the Texas teams to be in the same division. TV dollars is now the driving force in college football whether we like it or not.

Baylor TCU is a very big rivalry to the schools. By your tv standards the big 12 shouldn’t play any games unless UT or OU are involved.

I did not say that... please, lets not be ridiculous. If you do not believe that the TV networks influence what is happening in college football, then I cannot help you. As some have said, what ESPN wants ESPN gets.

Sometime earlier this week or last week, I posted in this thread that the Big 12 should play with 3 pods if they maintain a 9 game conference schedule post OUT, but didn't receive any traction.

SW: Baylor, Houston, TCU, Texas Tech
B8: Iowa St., Kansas, Kansas St., Oklahoma St.
BE: BYU, Cincinnati, UCF, West Virginia

Posted it in the Big 12 Forum in the thread talking about divisions and was told 12+ team conferences could only have 2 divisions (I was under the impression that conferences could have more as long as they had a round robin format, but wasn't the case) so I offered an alternate proposal while still being faithful to the original proposal and obedient to the NCAA By-Laws.

To abide by the NCAA By-Laws, until the SEC requests for more than 2 divisions for their 16 team conference (unless they use this structure too), the Big 12 could use the WAC's method of setting up divisions. They used pods for scheduling and divisions, pair 2 pods together for a division and rotate after 2 years. In this case, allow 2 of the 3 pods host a division while the other division is split, but set up the schedule to guarantees the 3 pods play round round, and readjust divisions annually.

So scheduling, you play your pod round robin (3 games) annually even if your pod is split, and then either play another pod round robin (4 games), and 2 games from the 3rd Pod when your pod is split, or play 3 teams each from the other 2 pods when your pod is hosting a division. This would allow a team like Oklahoma St. play their 3 pod rivals annually in a 12 year rotation, play everyone else 9 times in 12 years, and guaranteed at least 1 trip to Texas annually.

Year 1/7
Big Eight Division (North):
4 B8 Teams
Cincy
WVU
Southwest Division (South):
4 SW Teams
BYU
UCF

Year 2/8
Big Eight Division (North):
4 B8 Teams
BYU
UCF
Southwest Division (South):
4 SW Teams
Cincy
WVU

Year 3/9
Southwest Division (West):
4 SW Teams
ISU
OSU
Big East Division (East):
4 BE Teams
KU
KSU

Year 4/10
Southwest Division (West):
4 SW Teams
KU
KSU
Big East Division (East):
4 BE Teams
ISU
OSU

Year 5/11
Big East Division (East):
4 BE Teams
Houston
TTU
Big Eight Division (West):
4 B8 Teams
Baylor
TCU

Year 6/12
Big East Division (East):
4 BE Teams
Baylor
TCU
Big Eight Division (West):
4 B8 Teams
Houston
TTU

(01-21-2022 02:32 PM)Huan Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 03:33 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  No Big 12 Divisions alignment will be accepted by the 3/4th of the membership if all the Texas schools are in one Division.

That is going to happen.

yup. especially when there are clear alternatives to doing so

Yup. Cuz that never happens. The Big XII split the Texas schools apart and so did C-USA and the AAC. Yup.

Cincinnati and WVU would rather recruit Florida. UCF doesn’t care because…Florida. Like previously mentioned, Iowa State doesn’t really recruit Texas.

So then the choice is to put the Kansas schools in that division or split the Texas schools apart and get rid of a yearly rivalry between Baylor/TCU/Texas Tech. I think the four Texas schools are going to want to be together, probably with Oklahoma State. So that’s almost half the conference desiring one thing.

Hmmmm

(01-19-2022 10:42 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  GoBuckeyes had the right idea eschewing the “East” and “West” division names.

Most of the proposed splits above would work with these division names:

“Saints Division”
BYU, TCU, Baylor & 4 others

“Sinners Division“
CINcinnati, CENtral Florida, & others

Big Division:

BYU, Cincinnati, WVU, UCF, Houston, TCU

(Original Big) Twelve Division:

ISU, K-State, KU, OSU. TT. Baylor