That seems very extreme. We'll field plenty of bowl bound teams and we'll still have our Vad Lees, Riley Stapletons, and Mike Greenes who love JMU and are superstars here. You don't think Greene or Stapleton could've gotten a bag under the table at a P5 if they wanted to?

(06-06-2022 11:42 AM)boozeNammo Wrote:  

(06-06-2022 08:40 AM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  I am so confused and wondering how this works and will JMU ever be able to play this game. I heard Percy has a deal with Stevens Toyota or someone like that- if any of you have knowledge and insight into how this all works I’d love to hear it.

Nope. We won't be able to play this game at all. Welcome to the new world order... and prepare for the fact that we will never again (unless something changes) have superstar athletes at JMU. They will simply leave for more money. The system forces a prescribed mediocrity on schools like JMU (and the entire Sunbelt) by allowing these schools to take on all of the risk of developing 'flyers' in true farm system nature. P5s can now simply replace underperforming kids with those that are performing... at G5s and lower classifications. If JMU ever manages to field a football team that is bowl bound... we are simply going to get raided. Rinse and repeat. This system is not going to be kind to JMU and like schools.

I don't conform to some of "the sky is falling" feelings that some do. I think the majority of those folks already admitted there were already two divisions within FBS (P5 and G5). A G5 program didn't consistently compete with the top of the P5 year in and year out, which will not change going forward.

When a G5 is in the playoff discussion, they will have players poached, which isn't a real change as the P5s could still steal from G5 and FCS previously. Also, the change isn't driven by NIL. The change is the 1 year transfer waiting period going away (permanent impact) and the extra COVID year (temporary impact). While the money is obviously a large motivating factor, Wells probably wasn't going to sit a year at SC prior to playing his final season of eligibility and DTD going to move without the 1 year penalty being removed (excl. the grad transfer angle, which again has always existed).

I also don't think that JMU "will never be able to play this [NIL] game." JMU's fundraising will continue to grow (heck many on this board said they weren't giving until we went FBS so think of how high the DC donations are going be this year!), and we will just need to keep pace our year to year peer competitors (via DC donations and NIL). We already have the Alpha Dogs, and while on a smaller (but thankful for) level, these are the folks driving the NIL collectives at P5s.

Just like Vad flourished at JMU (and DiNucci and Ron'dell Carter and Ishmael Hyman and all the other FBS transfers that NDSU and other FCS fans loved to point to for the reason of our success) we will continue to get the top P5 throwaway players that become JMU stars (who will have used their penalty free transfer) so there is a pro to the con.

With that said, I'm pretty certain we lost 100% of our non graduating All-Americans (DTD and Wells) and while I don't predict 100% going forward, I definitely don't predict 0% either.

all this talk of Wells...Thornton has nearly the same numbers from last year, and maybe none of the attitude? We'll be just fine...

Perhaps JMU hasn't jumped on the NIL train for a reason.
Bourne himself said in an interview when JMU accepted the Sun Belt invite that there was a lot that was unknown.
It's still a new thing and a lot of schools are probably not sure what they can and cannot get away with. Unfortunately for some schools that go all in with NILs is that it could lead to punishments that could cripple them.
JMU has always taken the right approach even if it frustrates us as fans: wait and see.
Gotta say, as much as it frustrated me, JMU has done almost everything the right way. And when it comes to this, I believe they are doing the same so far. I'm also sure there is way more talk behind the scenes when it comes to what to do/not to do.
If that results in players leaving for money they can get elsewhere, so be it. Even when JMU goes stronger with the NIL we will lose players. But there's no doubt in my mind that JMU will do it the right way and in a way that will not jeopardize the future of JMU athletics.

(06-06-2022 12:30 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(06-06-2022 11:42 AM)boozeNammo Wrote:  

(06-06-2022 08:40 AM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  I am so confused and wondering how this works and will JMU ever be able to play this game. I heard Percy has a deal with Stevens Toyota or someone like that- if any of you have knowledge and insight into how this all works I’d love to hear it.

Nope. We won't be able to play this game at all. Welcome to the new world order... and prepare for the fact that we will never again (unless something changes) have superstar athletes at JMU. They will simply leave for more money. The system forces a prescribed mediocrity on schools like JMU (and the entire Sunbelt) by allowing these schools to take on all of the risk of developing 'flyers' in true farm system nature. P5s can now simply replace underperforming kids with those that are performing... at G5s and lower classifications. If JMU ever manages to field a football team that is bowl bound... we are simply going to get raided. Rinse and repeat. This system is not going to be kind to JMU and like schools.

And we will poach kids from the FCS and other g5 shools just like the p5 takes kids from the g5. NIL is brand new and the pendulum has swung completely in the other direction from what it was. It'll be the wild west for a few years and then things will settle down once there are some rules implimented. JMU will be fine

I predict that we're going to lose 80% of players who project as possible NFL draft picks (or likely UDFA) earlier in their career (i.e. after their freshman, sophomore, or junior season). There will always be P5s with substantial NILs and needs on their roster, and we'll be among the feeder schools. And I'm fine with that....I'd rather be a feeder school for the SEC than a school that can't produce that type of talent.

We'll still send a dude to the NFL occasionally, but it will likely be after a breakout senior campaign. Personally, I'll cheer for any kid who gets a meaningful NIL deal elsewhere. These kids would be dumb to turn it down.

(06-06-2022 09:03 PM)chicagoduke Wrote:  I predict that we're going to lose 80% of players who project as possible NFL draft picks (or likely UDFA) earlier in their career (i.e. after their freshman, sophomore, or junior season). There will always be P5s with substantial NILs and needs on their roster, and we'll be among the feeder schools. And I'm fine with that....I'd rather be a feeder school for the SEC than a school that can't produce that type of talent.

We'll still send a dude to the NFL occasionally, but it will likely be after a breakout senior campaign. Personally, I'll cheer for any kid who gets a meaningful NIL deal elsewhere. These kids would be dumb to turn it down.

Your prediction may be right, however, it’s still too early to say how the final NIL situation will turn out. The P5 programs know there is a problem with the current situation as they are at each other’s throats trying to “buy” recruits and are tampering with the star players on other teams. Some kind of adjustment needs to be made, or the NIL money will only escalate. What that adjustment may be (a return to the one-year sit for transfers would be a good start) is TBD.

Whatever possible adjustments are made good G5 programs will still find plenty of talent to recruit. Until the pool of kids playing tackle football significantly shrinks I’m confident the college game will survive.

(06-07-2022 06:25 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  What that adjustment may be (a return to the one-year sit for transfers would be a good start) is TBD.

So we're going to do that with coaches too right? If they want to break their contract and "transfer" to another school, they have to sit out a year?

(06-10-2022 07:58 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(06-07-2022 06:25 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  What that adjustment may be (a return to the one-year sit for transfers would be a good start) is TBD.

So we're going to do that with coaches too right? If they want to break their contract and "transfer" to another school, they have to sit out a year?

No the coach pays the buyout that was negotiated in his/her contract. If the players want to go down that route they will have contracts that are collectively bargained and those contracts will have rules regarding transfers that may involve payments from school to school, from the player to the school, etc.

No one is saying players shouldn't have more freedom to make money, but there needs to be rules in place to govern some of this. While we talk about all of the players transferring and getting this great NIL deals, you hear little from most of the media in regards to how many student athletes are being lead astray and ending up without a scholarship after entering the portal. Some of this is on coaches as they push kids to transfer, but in many cases it is the kid getting bad advice. Until folks realize not all players can be starters/stars this cycle will continue. These kids have been built up so much in AAU, etc. that they do not know how to deal with a situation where they are not a starter/star so they look for the next opportunity.

(06-10-2022 09:32 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 07:58 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(06-07-2022 06:25 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  What that adjustment may be (a return to the one-year sit for transfers would be a good start) is TBD.

So we're going to do that with coaches too right? If they want to break their contract and "transfer" to another school, they have to sit out a year?

No the coach pays the buyout that was negotiated in his/her contract. If the players want to go down that route they will have contracts that are collectively bargained and those contracts will have rules regarding transfers that may involve payments from school to school, from the player to the school, etc.

No one is saying players shouldn't have more freedom to make money, but there needs to be rules in place to govern some of this. While we talk about all of the players transferring and getting this great NIL deals, you hear little from most of the media in regards to how many student athletes are being lead astray and ending up without a scholarship after entering the portal. Some of this is on coaches as they push kids to transfer, but in many cases it is the kid getting bad advice. Until folks realize not all players can be starters/stars this cycle will continue. These kids have been built up so much in AAU, etc. that they do not know how to deal with a situation where they are not a starter/star so they look for the next opportunity.

International transfer system used globally for soccer might work. You'd then get to choose if you want to be a developing/selling school or a buying school or a hybrid where you load up for a run every now and then by being mostly developing/selling but then once in a while take your wad of cash and buy up/retain talent and go for it. Would be an interesting twist to this whole thing.

The problem is that it reinforces the rich getting richer and never having to worry about much of a down year (much like what you see in the big 5 leagues in Europe), but at least the selling schools would get some level of compensation to make it worth while.

(06-10-2022 09:32 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 07:58 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(06-07-2022 06:25 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  What that adjustment may be (a return to the one-year sit for transfers would be a good start) is TBD.

So we're going to do that with coaches too right? If they want to break their contract and "transfer" to another school, they have to sit out a year?

No the coach pays the buyout that was negotiated in his/her contract. If the players want to go down that route they will have contracts that are collectively bargained and those contracts will have rules regarding transfers that may involve payments from school to school, from the player to the school, etc.

No one is saying players shouldn't have more freedom to make money, but there needs to be rules in place to govern some of this. While we talk about all of the players transferring and getting this great NIL deals, you hear little from most of the media in regards to how many student athletes are being lead astray and ending up without a scholarship after entering the portal. Some of this is on coaches as they push kids to transfer, but in many cases it is the kid getting bad advice. Until folks realize not all players can be starters/stars this cycle will continue. These kids have been built up so much in AAU, etc. that they do not know how to deal with a situation where they are not a starter/star so they look for the next opportunity.

The bold could be misleading statement for the uninformed. The players have multi-year NIL deals tied to playing at the certain school and while they might not have a "buyout" for leaving those contracts, how it would play out functionally is aligned with the coach process. Stated simplistically, no coach is falling down a tax bracket or taking a net worth hit when they bail on a contract for a better one / pay a buyout, which will be the same for the players.

Further, those coaches were on 3+ year deals that had golden parachute attributes if they fail, whereas the players are on a 1 year scholarship that don't have to be renewed and are in pay for play arrangements (despite what the rules/guidelines states).

Not saying this was the intent of your post but bringing up a coaches "buyout" as if it levels the fairness of coaches bailing on contracts/schools and players transfering is kind of like pulling out a bandaid after someone steps on a landmine.

Big event going on in Atlanta:

https://nilsummit.com/

(06-13-2022 08:48 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  Big event going on in Atlanta:

https://nilsummit.com/

NIL Summit

https://247sports.com/Article/USC-five-s...189051253/

Wasn't sure where to post this other than his NIL $ is going to be astronomical but Arch Manning commits to Texas. Should put a smile on Longhorn's face.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...cruitment/

Thank god he finally committed somewhere. Was getting tiresome seeing articles on his every move. He's gonna be daily drama to deal with. Maybe he'll be the next Mitch Mustain.

It was reported that Miami’s QB commit Jaden Rashada will make $9.5 million in NIL. Was rated the #7 QB in the 2023 class. Same article alleges that he turned down $11 million from Florida’s collective.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1004...&fs=e&s=cl

Will be interesting to see what the equilibrium payouts will be after a few years of this. Will this be a bubble in the long-run or are we just getting started? Wonder what a Manning or Lawrence level QB will be making in 4 years.

(06-26-2022 10:15 PM)MarginalDuke Wrote:  It was reported that Miami’s QB commit Jaden Rashada will make $9.5 million in NIL. Was rated the #7 QB in the 2023 class. Same article alleges that he turned down $11 million from Florida’s collective.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1004...&fs=e&s=cl

Will be interesting to see what the equilibrium payouts will be after a few years of this. Will this be a bubble in the long-run or are we just getting started? Wonder what a Manning or Lawrence level QB will be making in 4 years.

These donors have lost their ever loving minds.

(06-26-2022 10:15 PM)MarginalDuke Wrote:  It was reported that Miami’s QB commit Jaden Rashada will make $9.5 million in NIL. Was rated the #7 QB in the 2023 class. Same article alleges that he turned down $11 million from Florida’s collective.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1004...&fs=e&s=cl

Will be interesting to see what the equilibrium payouts will be after a few years of this. Will this be a bubble in the long-run or are we just getting started? Wonder what a Manning or Lawrence level QB will be making in 4 years.

No doubt it will be a bubble though it will never go completely away. There is also no doubt in my mind that with the economy going into recession in the 2nd half of the year that that to will affect some of this.

“A Texas Tech-based collective is set to sign 100 Red Raider football players to a one-year $25,000 NIL contract.

According to a report from Don Williams of the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, the players have agreed to a NIL deal with The Matador Club, a non-profit collective organized in February 2022 by Texas Tech alums Cody Campbell, Tim Culp, Terry Fuller, Marc McDougal, Gary Petersen and John Sellers.

Players signed by the collective, which has non-profit 501©3 status, will take part in community service activities and help raise awareness for local charities in Lubbock and possibly throughout West Texas. Campbell told the Avalanche-Journal payments to players will be made monthly beginning the first week of August. The community service endeavors will continue throughout the next year.

Campbell said The Matador Club will offer each player the same $25,000 contract – an annual deal that will be renewable. He also said the contract is the same for stars like quarterback Tyler Shough and walk-ons on the team. The deal reportedly will go to 85 players on scholarship and 15 walk-ons most likely to contribute to the team.“

I mean, come on. Its obvious the next step in this evolution is that student athletes are going to unionize to dismay of these heathen-sports-agents. ...and I'm ok with that. Get your dimes from the U and collectively bargain payouts. How that will work, no idea. Kinda fun to watch it all unfold though.