GeminiCoog
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RE: Trump to Zelenskyy: "You're gambling with World War III!"
(03-01-2025 12:47 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote: (02-28-2025 08:19 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote: (02-28-2025 07:48 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: (02-28-2025 07:21 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote: (02-28-2025 07:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: lol---you had to be in heaven today. This was literally your wet dream.
Wasnt able to see the whole thing---but from what I understand Z had a mineral deal that would have at least given the US some skin in the game in Ukriane----and most importantly---I also saw on Twitter that the first part of the oval talk made it clear the REM deal would also mean continued weapons supplies from the US. If thats the case, that was about the best this deal was ever going to be. No idea why Zelensky kept pushing for more security guarantees in public when he was just minutes away from signing a deal that would have given his people the ability to hold their own until the peace deal could be negotiated.
If that is all true---then your celebration may not be over. This was such an incompetent display I will not be shocked if Zelensky doesnt survive the week and is forced to resign by his government.
Because he's a snot-knows spoiled brat who was asking for yet another handout (in terms of money) and we finally cut him off. Besides, Biden pushed Putin (and Russia, since he's in charge of it) into China's arms. Trump's trying to play the long game and split the two of those up. He can't show his hand yet. That's what certain people don't understand. I think you do, but sometimes, what you say on here when it comes to this overall topic makes me wonder. (No offense, of course. lol) Like I said to SoMs Eagle, we have our own problems we need to be dealing with. There was no need for us to get involved in this.
That said, I'll say this once again. Both Putin and Zelenskyy are jerkoffs for different but legitimately equally damning reasons. We know about Putin. Now it's Zelenskyy's turn to be shown in the poor light he deserves.
FWIW---I agree it would be nice to undermine the alliance between Russia and China---but its naive to expect that is likley to happen. Its almost like saying "I sure wish those countries would stop doing whats in their best interests". There are multiple reasons the USA would very much prefer those two were not allied (im sure you can name a bunch of them)----and those reasons are EXACTLY why that alliance will be in place for probably decades to come. It only makes sense that they will be aligned until that alignment doesnt serve their interests (We'd do the same---and did).
Think about it----even if we become an isolationist nation and only stay in the western hemisphere in some sort of new world order of multi-polar modern colonialism ---Im hard pressed to see how Russia and China having their individual spheres of influence aligned together doesnt serve their best interests for quite some time to come. It basically does the same thing NATO did for the US over the last 7 decades. In fact---if we become an isolationist nation---that Russia-China Alliance may very well be the most powerful entity in the world....no idea if they will be as benevolent as we have been while holding that position.
First off, I need to say this: A hell of a lot of us are tired of endless wars, including myself. I know a lot of people on here feel the same way. Hell, I know TripleA has said earlier in this thread. Second, a hell of a lot of us are tired of being the world's police force, which again includes myself. We do it because "we hate injustice" but really it's so certain people can get richer and richer. It's the same with this proxy war that's going nowhere. Besides, every time we've done so for a long time, we've gotten ridiculed for "being imperialists" by even or own allies. So again, like I've told SoMs Eagle, it's time for us to focus on our own problems.
And about Zelenskyy, I need to say this as well. I get that he's pissed off about war. But he should be directing his anger towards those who deserve it: Those who have been lying to him about Ukraine's chances of winning the war, and Putin-led Russia for invading Ukraine yet again. (They did it under Bush 43, Obama, and Biden. He didn't do that under Trump's first time as President.)
Lastly, I need to make this point: Putin is laughing on his way to the bank, so to speak, and it's because of Zelenskyy. If Zelenskyy had been cordial, we would've seen him as a victim of a needless invasion by a country who after the fall of the Soviet Union was supposed to help ensure its security (we along with Russia and the UK made a deal to make sure Ukraine's sovereignty was secure, and Russia broke it) as well as thankful for saving his life, both figuratively and literally. It's okay for him to be angry, as I've said. His anger, however, is misdirected.
He'll be lucky to survive a bloodless coup by members of his Parliament. Good luck, Zelenskyy.
There’s a lot of reason in your post. Can’t say I would disagree with much of it. And it’s not another “kill the little green bsaturd!” reeeeeee
It's what I've been saying (or at least have been trying to say) this whole time, man. I don't want Zelenskyy to die. I don't want anybody to die or suffer. Unfortunately, we've seen a lot of that. And, like I said several posts earlier, this was supposed to have been phase one of a three-phase deal that would've all but guaranteed peace between Ukraine and Russia. And it may still end up being salvaged. But the ball's in Zelenskyy's court right now. As much as any of us may or may not like it, that's just the way it is.
And I'll end on this note: I do not support Vladimir Putin. I never have and I never will either. That said, I don't support Zelenskyy either. And I think his political days are numbered after this UNLESS he can save the REM deal and get the ball rolling toward completing phases two and three of the overall three-phase deal. We'll see what happens, but the senseless deaths on both sides has got to stop.
bullet: There you go again. (To quote Ronald Reagan, also called Ronaldus Magnus by Rush Limbaugh, may both men rest in peace.) No, I want the rest of our NATO allies to step up to the plate and do their part. We've more than done ours, and we're still doing ours by trying to put an end to this thing. But even we can only do so much.
(This post was last modified: 03-01-2025 01:38 AM by GeminiCoog.)
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