(02-28-2025 06:55 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Seriously this will end up being a defining moment in history. Half or more of our country sides with an invading tyrant because it cost us money. Hopefully in the future it will not be American men slaughtered on a newly defined front. Then the money will seem insignificant.

Not supporting Zelensky isn't necessarily synonymous with supporting Putin you know.

(02-28-2025 07:10 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 07:00 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:57 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:50 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Trump to Zelinsky “I want to stay in the middle”.

Great. Now when China sees this they can reliably believe Trump is at least half on their side.

No. He very clearly said in order to negotiate a peace deal. Nothing more or less.

Put on your rose colored glasses. I choose to not give complete and unwavering approval to any man much less any politician.

lol "Rose colored glasses." Son, people in the Ukrainian government (you know, the government Zelenskyy represents) said he screwed up. You're done. Sit down and take the L.

Not saying he didn’t screw up. Just pointing out he was not the only one.

It amazes me that so many here want Zelinsky dead. That is such hatred. And he has not even invaded us. Just took a lot of aid.

This will not end with any deal made now. Putin has learned what he needs to be successful next time. I guarantee that he will take another shot at it. More people will be killed next time and I pray it’s not Americans.

Damn, who said they wanted him dead?

(02-28-2025 09:49 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 09:46 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

And there it is. Straight from our Secretary of State's mouth.

Bravo, sir. Bravo.

Rubio's got to tow the president's line. He is SOS.

But it was a legitimate question. In fact its the ultimate question. And the answer is not "42" or "you should thank us." Trump's answer should have been that it will all be worked out in the peace deal. He could have used Ronnie's line, "Trust but verify."

(02-28-2025 09:57 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:55 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Seriously this will end up being a defining moment in history. Half or more of our country sides with an invading tyrant because it cost us money. Hopefully in the future it will not be American men slaughtered on a newly defined front. Then the money will seem insignificant.

Not supporting Zelensky isn't necessarily synonymous with supporting Putin you know.

Some people don't get that, especially those on the left. Sadly, those who are supposed to be on our side don't get that either.

Oh, well. Let those who are duped remain duped until they see the light.

(02-28-2025 10:00 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 09:49 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 09:46 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

And there it is. Straight from our Secretary of State's mouth.

Bravo, sir. Bravo.

Rubio's got to tow the president's line. He is SOS.

But it was a legitimate question. In fact its the ultimate question. And the answer is not "42" or "you should thank us." Trump's answer should have been that it will all be worked out in the peace deal. He could have used Ronnie's line, "Trust but verify."

The last part of this take is what I agree with, for the record. So I'll say this: It may have been Zelenskyy's tone that set the whole debacle in motion. Even still, I honestly don't know Trump using that old Russian proverb would've mattered to Zelenskyy. I'd like to think so, but we'll never know. At least not right now, anyway.

I don't understand why anyone would think that Z should be able to walk into the Whitehouse act like he did and think it's ok. Trump for all of the flaws he has as a human being is trying to negotiate peace, this isn't a conversation about who started the fight, who's right who's wrong, it's about stopping needless killing and finding peace.

Many, many years ago I volunteered to join the US Navy knowing full well that I was putting my A$$ on the line for a country that has been acting as the world police since the end of the 2nd world war. I couldn't be happier to see Trump pulling away from that, the amount of blood and tears this country has spent fighting other countries fights is insane. I want to make something else clear though, I don't think for a second we wouldn't fight if there was a reason to and with the might of our military and economic power we have the ability to lean on aggressors opposed to sending our young men and women to die for it. I have been watching the leftist and EU leaders try to do everything they can to paint Trump in a poor light because they realize the gravity of the moment.

The world is coming to a crossroads, The choice to be dependent on the government to tell you how to live and what to think or the choice to be free. The left has been poring honey into peoples ears and pocket books for decades and many a US and EU citizen has been quick to give up control. It's very sad. I am not the most religious person but it does remind me of a verse in the bible.
Matthew 7:15-17 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but underneath are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will know them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Just so, every good tree bears good fruit, and a rotten tree bears bad fruit.

I applaud Trump for doing what is right for our country and I hope for every citizen of the Ukraine that they impeach Z so they can come back to the table and find peace.

(02-28-2025 07:29 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 07:22 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Im not calling you a Putin puppet. But I did call you a Trump bot. Proud I can have no cultish fixation with a politician. Even though I agree with most everything else Trump has done. And I would proudly vote for him again. But I am not going to support everything he comes up with.

No L yet. But it is late in the 4th quarter.

You guys have been here calling anyone who disagreed with you "Putin puppets" for over 3 years now. So don't say now you haven't said those things, we all know better.

YOU are the one who wants to back YET ANOTHER FOREVER WAR, you are the one who has had your lips firmly attached to Zelenskyys ass for this entire war.

No one here ever needed Trump to take a position on this at all for us to know we are NOT on board with yet another FOREVER WAR. We've seen this game over and over and over again and all the war propagandists are wrong EVERY SINGE TIME. All we do is get drained of blood and treasure and none of the things they promise ever come to fruition, Its always just a pile of rubble and death in the end and then they move on to the next war that we just HAVE to back or its 1938 all over again.

ENOUGH!

We've seen enough of this chit and we are not playing along anymore.

We've been at war for most of my life. Crazy.

(02-28-2025 01:14 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I’m sorry but that was disgustingly bad. It reminded me of a conservative going on MSNBC. Trump and Vance have made this personal.
Does anyone believe after that little engagement that Zelinsky is in this for himself. He did not bend the knee and it obviously highly irritated Trump and Vance.

The only knee bending I saw here was the Trump administration bending the knee to Putin. Being scared of WWIII is not exactly a great position to start a strong negotiation. Putin warns of WWIII as a scare tactic and we have cowered in the corner. He has to be breathing a great sigh of relief after LHAO.

Just cut them off and deal with the consequences. Which will be the worst possible outcome.

You have 100% became unhinged with this....

you are in the same neighborhood as loony toon Maxine waters on this shite. You went head first down this rabbit hole

(02-28-2025 10:00 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 07:10 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 07:00 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:57 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  No. He very clearly said in order to negotiate a peace deal. Nothing more or less.

Put on your rose colored glasses. I choose to not give complete and unwavering approval to any man much less any politician.

lol "Rose colored glasses." Son, people in the Ukrainian government (you know, the government Zelenskyy represents) said he screwed up. You're done. Sit down and take the L.

Not saying he didn’t screw up. Just pointing out he was not the only one.

It amazes me that so many here want Zelinsky dead. That is such hatred. And he has not even invaded us. Just took a lot of aid.

This will not end with any deal made now. Putin has learned what he needs to be successful next time. I guarantee that he will take another shot at it. More people will be killed next time and I pray it’s not Americans.

Damn, who said they wanted him dead?

nobody ... some people simply can't understand "it wouldn't surprise me if" ... wtfe, I don't care if some can't understand simple hypotheticals...

(02-28-2025 09:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:55 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Seriously this will end up being a defining moment in history. Half or more of our country sides with an invading tyrant because it cost us money. Hopefully in the future it will not be American men slaughtered on a newly defined front. Then the money will seem insignificant.

As I just posted. A bunch of these people hate Ukraine so much they can't even comprehend the argument.

Oh good grief it has nothing one earth to do with hating Ukraine or loving Putin or any of those crusty talking points, that is classic TDS level nonsense as well.

Many of us have simply had it with the forever wars and the BS fear mongering propaganda of the forever wars filled with empty promises and failed predictions that lead nowhere and just bleed us of resources and money.

Enough is enough.

(02-28-2025 08:24 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:01 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 05:57 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Trump is in Putin’s pocket and has been wanting to do this all along. Red meat for the MAGA base and a manufactured excuse to abandon Ukraine to a dictator. The whole thing looked manufactured, like a set up with JD Vance sitting there then Lindsey Graham coming out afterwards, who had always staunchly supported ukraine, with his prepared 180 on ukraine and knowing what he's going to say and how he's going to say it in lock step. Even the media jackal who condescendingly asked of Zelinsky had a suit, to the delight of everyone but Marco Rubio, was in on this middle school bullying. Trump is no better than Putin deep down. Hopefully people will begin to see that as more of his immorality shines.

The Democrats would like their 2016 Propaganda back.

Trump and his sycophants have only undermined the standing of America in the world in the last month and a half. Verbally attacking Canada and Mexico. Verbally attacking our (former) allies in Europe. And driving away and a wedge between the United States and our former allies and neighbors. Our moral standing now is much less than it was just a month and a half ago. Under this President we are no longer a country that can be counted on. Don't be surprised if the United States is now separated from our former allies because they now see us it's not dependable and, at least with this administration, much closer to gangster States like Russia, China, North Korea and the others because we have a president who doesn't admire good or what's right but only projections of naked gangster type intimidation. That's who Trump is personally and that's who he admires. An insecure bully only picks easy targets. Zielinsky on the other hand is was fighting against an international murderer, for the life of his country, and with great personal risk to himself and is 10 times the man Trump is, was, or ever will be. As the free world turns against the United States I hope enough people take the time to ask themselves what's going on and reevaluate any kind of emotional attachment they have to that man. Nothing he does is an accident.. he's actually a horrible person.

(02-28-2025 10:00 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 07:10 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 07:00 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:57 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  No. He very clearly said in order to negotiate a peace deal. Nothing more or less.

Put on your rose colored glasses. I choose to not give complete and unwavering approval to any man much less any politician.

lol "Rose colored glasses." Son, people in the Ukrainian government (you know, the government Zelenskyy represents) said he screwed up. You're done. Sit down and take the L.

Not saying he didn’t screw up. Just pointing out he was not the only one.

It amazes me that so many here want Zelinsky dead. That is such hatred. And he has not even invaded us. Just took a lot of aid.

This will not end with any deal made now. Putin has learned what he needs to be successful next time. I guarantee that he will take another shot at it. More people will be killed next time and I pray it’s not Americans.

Damn, who said they wanted him dead?

I'm not aware of anyone who said they wanted him dead.

Even if they did I know full well multiple people didn't say they did. That is just more over the top hyperbolic nonsense from him on this.

(02-28-2025 09:57 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Hey, bullet? Just admit you were duped, buddy, and all will be forgiven, even your crack about our Vice President being "white trailer trash." Hell, I'll even apologize for calling you a BEVO snob.

What say you, sir?

I wasn't duped. And I've been saying for 8 years my biggest complaint about Trump was he made enemies when he didn't need to, making it more difficult to do what he wanted. His John McCain insults saddled us with Obamacare. That has cost me a lot of money over these last few years. McCain voted to keep Obamacare just to spite Trump, because that is the type of person (i thought of another word beginning with "p" but it would have been ***) McCain was. Vance disappointed me today. I knew to expect that stuff from Trump, but it was even worse than Trump's bad moments.

Zelensky acknowledged that Trump sold Ukraine weapons in his first term when Obama wouldn't. Ukraine wouldn't exist today if Hillary won in 2016. At best it would be like Belarus, but it probably would have been absorbed as a bunch of Russian oblasts without a Ukrainian identity.

If asking a legitimate question critical to your nation's survival is disrespectful, then Vance and Trump make the most beta microaggression snowflake look like Hulk Hogan by comparison.

Bevo snob is ok. Because I certainly didn't go to Memorial or Kinkaid or even Bellaire or Lamar or Clear Lake. My parents both grew up in military families and we learned manners (alright, maybe it slips on message boards, but I keep it up in person). And when you have power over someone you don't treat them like s*** as Vance and Trump did.

(02-28-2025 10:00 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 07:10 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 07:00 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:57 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  No. He very clearly said in order to negotiate a peace deal. Nothing more or less.

Put on your rose colored glasses. I choose to not give complete and unwavering approval to any man much less any politician.

lol "Rose colored glasses." Son, people in the Ukrainian government (you know, the government Zelenskyy represents) said he screwed up. You're done. Sit down and take the L.

Not saying he didn’t screw up. Just pointing out he was not the only one.

It amazes me that so many here want Zelinsky dead. That is such hatred. And he has not even invaded us. Just took a lot of aid.

This will not end with any deal made now. Putin has learned what he needs to be successful next time. I guarantee that he will take another shot at it. More people will be killed next time and I pray it’s not Americans.

Damn, who said they wanted him dead?

Me

Im sick of the little bastard. Ukraine would be better off if the idiot was dead

Thousands die daily but somehow the death of this little shite offends peoples sensibilities.

Friiiick him.

Ukraine needs a sane competent leader


And all this Putin prognosticating is utter bullshite too. Who know what he will do. He might say fine, no NATO, no war. Ive had enough. He may nuke kiev. Wtf. Its our job now to kiss zelinskys arse because of what Putin might do. We font fear Putin. Get real.

I also hate pedo joe for spoiling that moron and making him feel entitled. If Putin is that great a damn threat ( he is not) then quit with the half measures..

FFS

(02-28-2025 09:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:55 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Seriously this will end up being a defining moment in history. Half or more of our country sides with an invading tyrant because it cost us money. Hopefully in the future it will not be American men slaughtered on a newly defined front. Then the money will seem insignificant.

As I just posted. A bunch of these people hate Ukraine so much they can't even comprehend the argument.

We comprehend it. We just think it's retarded.


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(02-28-2025 09:52 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 09:33 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Thousands of people are getting killed daily. Slavi Ukraine. Yay.


Trump raised his voice. Reeeeeeeee


FFS.

Here's the thing. The U.S. has twice pulled the U.K.'s bacon out of the fire, loaned the Russians everything they needed to wage war against the Nazis, which interestingly enough were backed by many Ukrainian battalions and even Einsatz Gruppen. Defeated Japan for the Chaing and ultimately the Chicoms, and we have imbeciles here who don't believe in the strength and vitality of the United States and believe with all their hearts that we are inferior to the stupid bastards we had to bail out. America had one halfway decent convert to our way of life coming out of WWII and very oddly it was the Japanese. The EU is still a crooked mess which can't defend itself, Russia has nukes enough to obliterate the planet, but it would be absolutely suicidal to use them. We've propped up China with unfair trade while they have sought to infiltrate our research, hack our defense computers, jam the GPS on our surface vessels, and kill us off with lead painted toys for our kids, and gave us Wuhan where their future Mengeles and ours worked to kill millions through gain of function virus testing with manufactured and unnaturally spliced genes.

And when Americans stand up and act like T.R. once did with decided self-assurance and totally in our self-interest (which is what politicians are sworn to do though many line their pockets traitorously selling our secrets to enemies), they go apeshite screaming that standing up for ourselves and what we believe to be right or best for us is somehow a damn crime.

There is a crime but it is treason. There are insane decisions made daily but they are to support some other nation at our citizens' expense.

Now if Zelensky is smart he'll find a plane, remove its transponder and disappear into a remote place where he can change his appearance and live quietly. Without Comrade Joe to prop him up he will find himself vulnerable to Ukrainians who are sick of the destruction he brought, or to Putin's operatives. He didn't dare bend a knee today. His face told the story. He was scared because his gig just blew up and he has no cover.

The biggest issue I have with the radical Dems and their minions is their constant desire to apologize for the U.S.A. If we embarrass you then leave! This nation twice ended a World War, and unless we actually invade Canada or Mexico the U.S.'s only reputation is for ending the wars of aggression started by other nations. What we are guilty of is being over protective of country's that have something we need. But then every nation is inclined that way. There's not one damn thing the U.S. should apologize for, except for raising generations of ninnies who think we should!

Charity starts at home. Frick Europe.

(02-28-2025 10:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 09:57 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Hey, bullet? Just admit you were duped, buddy, and all will be forgiven, even your crack about our Vice President being "white trailer trash." Hell, I'll even apologize for calling you a BEVO snob.

What say you, sir?

I wasn't duped. And I've been saying for 8 years my biggest complaint about Trump was he made enemies when he didn't need to, making it more difficult to do what he wanted. His John McCain insults saddled us with Obamacare. That has cost me a lot of money over these last few years. McCain voted to keep Obamacare just to spite Trump, because that is the type of person (i thought of another word beginning with "p" but it would have been ***) McCain was. Vance disappointed me today. I knew to expect that stuff from Trump, but it was even worse than Trump's bad moments.

Zelensky acknowledged that Trump sold Ukraine weapons in his first term when Obama wouldn't. Ukraine wouldn't exist today if Hillary won in 2016. At best it would be like Belarus, but it probably would have been absorbed as a bunch of Russian oblasts without a Ukrainian identity.

If asking a legitimate question critical to your nation's survival is disrespectful, then Vance and Trump make the most beta microaggression snowflake look like Hulk Hogan by comparison.

Bevo snob is ok. Because I certainly didn't go to Memorial or Kinkaid or even Bellaire or Lamar or Clear Lake. My parents both grew up in military families and we learned manners (alright, maybe it slips on message boards, but I keep it up in person). And when you have power over someone you don't treat them like s*** as Vance and Trump did.

Well, I still apologize for calling you that. That was uncalled for.

Now then, Zelenskyy handled it poorly. Should Trump and Vance have handled it better? Sure, you can say that. But we had a deal on the table that if everything I've heard is correct was the first part of a three-phase peace settlement. It was right there to be signed. And someone (it may have been Jesse Watters) said that Trump was saying that HE HIMSELF was the reassurance from Putin breaking any ceasefire. But you know, like someone once told me, sometimes it's not what you say that matters but how you say it. So I'll say this: Both sides should've done better, but I still blame Zelenskyy for starting it.

For what it's worse, a razor dude who's currently on Gutfeld! did say that Vance started it. (He was then shut down by a really hot chick not named Kat Timpf. lol)

(02-28-2025 09:45 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 09:42 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 05:47 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 05:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 05:10 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Filth feverishly working on their talking points

Sounds like the Trump cult is. Zelensky was very restrained. He wasn't the one being disrespectful.

Trump cult...

Second broken one rolling in.

An unexpected one at that. I'm scratching my head...

I forget who said it earlier in this thread, but the BEVO snob who's gone off the deep end supported Ron DeSantis as our POTUS nominee. I'm not sure if that means anything because I personally think he would've been a decent choice. That said, u Trump was the one we needed, as we can all now bear witness to.

bullet: Then Zelenskyy should've kept his damn mouth shut, his ego in check, and signed the damn deal. But he had to show his ass so here we are.

Both of the biggest slavicucks were ronbots. DeSantis would have gotten bitche slapped by Zelinsky. Hell Trump broke him too. Now he wants his wife Lurlene DeSantis to be governor.

(02-28-2025 10:26 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 10:00 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 07:10 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 07:00 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:57 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Put on your rose colored glasses. I choose to not give complete and unwavering approval to any man much less any politician.

lol "Rose colored glasses." Son, people in the Ukrainian government (you know, the government Zelenskyy represents) said he screwed up. You're done. Sit down and take the L.

Not saying he didn’t screw up. Just pointing out he was not the only one.

It amazes me that so many here want Zelinsky dead. That is such hatred. And he has not even invaded us. Just took a lot of aid.

This will not end with any deal made now. Putin has learned what he needs to be successful next time. I guarantee that he will take another shot at it. More people will be killed next time and I pray it’s not Americans.

Damn, who said they wanted him dead?

Me

Im sick of the little bastard. Ukraine would be better off if the idiot was dead

Thousands die daily but somehow the death of this little shite offends peoples sensibilities.

Friiiick him.

Ukraine needs a sane competent leader


And all this Putin prognosticating is utter bullshite too. Who know what he will do. He might say fine, no NATO, no war. Ive had enough. He may nuke kiev. Wtf. Its our job now to kiss zelinskys arse because of what Putin might do. We font fear Putin. Get real.

I also hate pedo joe for spoiling that moron and making him feel entitled. If Putin is that great a damn threat ( he is not) then quit with the half measures..

FFS

That's likely just fact and I don't think he survives this, certainly not politically and possibly quite literally.