(03-01-2025 03:05 AM)banker Wrote:  People keep referring to Ukraine as “our ally”. Can one of those people clarify that? When have they come to our aid? I know Russia fought on out side in both world wars, but don’t remember Ukraine being there.

To be clear, I don’t consider Russia an ally now, but can document times they were. Not so sure about Ukraine.

It’s called being brainwashed and your words will fall on deaf ears. I’d quote the definition of “ally” but they don’t want to see it.

(03-01-2025 02:07 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 11:13 PM)Curumim Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 11:00 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Ronbots and slavicucks have lost Tulsi


Tulsi Gabbard
@TulsiGabbard
Thank you
@realDonaldTrump
for your unwavering leadership in standing up for the interests of the American people, and peace. What you said is absolutely true: Zelensky has been trying to drag the United States into a nuclear war with Russia/WW3 for years now, and no one has called him on it. Thank you, Vice President
@JDVance
for speaking out so forcefully and clearly, about the necessity of diplomacy.
5:23 PM · Feb 28, 2025
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Good Golly! There's no one left but Europe to protect our boi Z. That can't be good...

I just hope no more blood is shed in this senseless conflict.

Some of you would be reeeeeing for a ceasefire in the Ardens because more would die before we entered Berlin.

Someone has to lose for there to be peace. A ceasefire only prolongs the conflict. Take Gaza for example. Has the ceasefire ended that conflict? It won’t end the killing in Ukraine either.

Here is the link for the International Legionnaires of Ukraine website: https://ildu.com.ua/

If it is so critical to you, enlist, take a plane and go kill russians yourself. Stop insinuating that America should send its youth and its money to a bloodbath.

Ukraine isn’t an American ally, it’s a democrat ally.

Biden had assets to protect there and then came quid pro quo and Russia gate to do so.

I do think in this scenario, Trump is being a business man first before an American protector.

We have no reason to be involved with Ukraine. Better to just cut our losses.

Instead, Trump has given Ukraine a collateral opportunity. You agree to let us dig for minerals so we can be repaid. In turn that marks US territory in Ukraine, Russia is forced to pull out unless they want to get nuked for messing with our business.

Trump will not put American soldiers on the front line unless they are protecting our assets. Ukraine has nothing we need, but has opportunity to pay off debt.

So, really the only card that can be played is a ceasefire of some sort, as we know Europe is all talk when referring to military help for anything combative over there

Scrape our money back thru an audit and refuse to talk to Ukraine until they’ve elected a new president

I’m tired of Democrats and Neo-Cons thinking that American Soldiers should be a meat shield to police the rest of the world. Fugg the rest of the world, we are not the world police. The rest of the world wouldn’t piss on us if we were on fire.

I read in Fox News that Ukraine repeatedly warned us they would not sign a minerals deal unless it contained a security guarantee. Apparently, Ukraine was presented a security agreement short of a guaretee and hence they balked.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/heres-real...val-office

If true, the confusing situation represents a miscommunication or deception which cannot be allowed in major foreign policy decisions. I do not know who was at fault (perhaps both parties?) but regardless it was wrong of Trump and Vance to lose their cool and it was wrong of Zelensky to disrespect our country (starting with his attire). They should have modeled their behavior on theReagan/Gorbachev Reykjavík Summit where the Soviets failed to hoodwink Reagan and disappointment reigned and yet both parties handled it maturely.

The handling of the press conference, however, is a separate issue from the wisdom of entering into a security guarantee and in aiding Ukraine without adequate compensation. The days of American taxpayers footing bills for most of the defense cost and placing Americans at risk (unless it affects a vital interest) for other nations are over.

The good news is the situation now is ripe for meaningful European leadership and intervention. Will they step up? I doubt it.

(03-01-2025 07:22 AM)Curumim Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 02:07 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 11:13 PM)Curumim Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 11:00 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Ronbots and slavicucks have lost Tulsi


Tulsi Gabbard
@TulsiGabbard
Thank you
@realDonaldTrump
for your unwavering leadership in standing up for the interests of the American people, and peace. What you said is absolutely true: Zelensky has been trying to drag the United States into a nuclear war with Russia/WW3 for years now, and no one has called him on it. Thank you, Vice President
@JDVance
for speaking out so forcefully and clearly, about the necessity of diplomacy.
5:23 PM · Feb 28, 2025
·
2M
Views

Good Golly! There's no one left but Europe to protect our boi Z. That can't be good...

I just hope no more blood is shed in this senseless conflict.

Some of you would be reeeeeing for a ceasefire in the Ardens because more would die before we entered Berlin.

Someone has to lose for there to be peace. A ceasefire only prolongs the conflict. Take Gaza for example. Has the ceasefire ended that conflict? It won’t end the killing in Ukraine either.

Here is the link for the International Legionnaires of Ukraine website: https://ildu.com.ua/

If it is so critical to you, enlist, take a plane and go kill russians yourself. Stop insinuating that America should send its youth and its money to a bloodbath.

It is astonishing to me reading the willingness of some Americans to place other Americans in harm's way and drain the treasury for other countries.

(03-01-2025 07:23 AM)UABFAN23 Wrote:  Ukraine isn’t an American ally, it’s a democrat ally.

Biden had assets to protect there and then came quid pro quo and Russia gate to do so.

I do think in this scenario, Trump is being a business man first before an American protector.

We have no reason to be involved with Ukraine. Better to just cut our losses.

Instead, Trump has given Ukraine a collateral opportunity. You agree to let us dig for minerals so we can be repaid. In turn that marks US territory in Ukraine, Russia is forced to pull out unless they want to get nuked for messing with our business.

Trump will not put American soldiers on the front line unless they are protecting our assets. Ukraine has nothing we need, but has opportunity to pay off debt.

So, really the only card that can be played is a ceasefire of some sort, as we know Europe is all talk when referring to military help for anything combative over there

Scrape our money back thru an audit and refuse to talk to Ukraine until they’ve elected a new president

I’m tired of Democrats and Neo-Cons thinking that American Soldiers should be a meat shield to police the rest of the world. Fugg the rest of the world, we are not the world police. The rest of the world wouldn’t piss on us if we were on fire.

To add to this, and I’m sure most remember and it’s already been mentioned.

Zelenskyy and Trump met in September. Then a few weeks later, Zelenskyy is In Pennsylvania campaigning for democrats and autographing bombs in an ammunitions facility.

So, that was ignored and memory holed by all who said a week or 2 ago, “Trump should’ve talked to Zelenskyy first”

He did and has. Trump rarely talks to Putin, and everybody knows it. They’re a competitor for us in many ways, that doesn’t make them an enemy. Same goes for China.

Z likely had some deep state coaching prior to the meeting. He really messed up. He's off to London now to meet and beg Eurocuck leaders lol.

(02-28-2025 10:46 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 10:39 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 10:37 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 09:45 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 09:42 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  An unexpected one at that. I'm scratching my head...

I forget who said it earlier in this thread, but the BEVO snob who's gone off the deep end supported Ron DeSantis as our POTUS nominee. I'm not sure if that means anything because I personally think he would've been a decent choice. That said, u Trump was the one we needed, as we can all now bear witness to.

bullet: Then Zelenskyy should've kept his damn mouth shut, his ego in check, and signed the damn deal. But he had to show his ass so here we are.

Both of the biggest slavicucks were ronbots. DeSantis would have gotten bitche slapped by Zelinsky. Hell Trump broke him too. Now he wants his wife Lurlene DeSantis to be governor.

Her first name alone should disqualify her.

Thats not her name. Thats me being a smartarse referenceing george wallace's wife. Plus i mispelled it, its lurleen....not much better.

I wanna know what money and how many troops all the countries that "stand with ukraine" are sending to fight russia.

I also wanna know why the slavicucks think we should continue to fund this idiot zelinsky to let his country be destroyed. All ukranian men dead? No buildings left standing? 5 more years, 10, 20?

Those are very good questions. When is enough enough? How much more should we let him bond himself to us parasitically. What have we gotten for our money and effort?

These and other questions may be moot soon anyway. I won't be surprised to find out he's been ousted. The question then remains what other corrupt asshat will take his place and continue trying to extort money from us. And by us I mean we on the right side of history in this, not the crooked politicians in congress who have been bleeding money off from what was intended for Ukraine all along.

(03-01-2025 12:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 12:14 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 12:10 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 09:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:43 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Britt Hume, Shannon Bream and Harold Ford Jr. are reviewing the Z interview with Baier.

All three said Z is the one who screwed up, not Trump and Vance. They said he came to the meeting totally unprepared, and failed miserably to read the room.

Baier was also critical of Z, agreed with the other 3, and said Z didn't learn a thing from today.

I can agree that Z screwed up, wasn't prepared and failed to read the room.
Totally disagree about Trump and Vance. They undermined their efforts to bring peace and lost their cool.

I'll take those three's opinions over yours all day every day.

And twice on Sundays.

The Actor lost when Trump went off script and outed Zelensky's delusion, "You don't have a card to play!" That was game set & match. Trump essentially summed up all of the reality in that line. Trump has the most powerful nation behind him. Putin has 500 years of history, the fact that Ukrainians largely sided with the Nazis in WWII, and they have the weapons both conventional and nuclear to make Ukraine a smoking hole. And all Zelensky has is borrowed weapons, borrowed money, a bunch of guys to young and too old to wage war, no place to hide and nothing without free shite from America and since the Brain Dead Dude of Free Shite is gone, both physically and politically, to quote DiNiro playing Al Capone, "You got nothin' and if you was a man you would have done it by now!"

There is a method to Trump's brashness. It causes opponents to freeze, delay, and try to assess what he might do. In the political life of this nation it buys time. Time that will allow us to bring back the manufacture of all parts for all weapons systems internal the U.S., time to bring back the manufacture of all of our pharmaceuticals (mostly maintenance drugs) so that the health of our citizenry is not in the hands of our potential adversary (China), to stock up on chips and find alternative sources for the production of those chips to sustain our satellite weaponry and guidance systems as well as our computer systems and any AI we have deployed. It buys time to replace lousy politically appointed leadership within the military with can do have experience leaders and gives us time to canvas our allies and assess our potential enemies. If we can accomplish that in 4 years' time we can avert a war which was coming due to the weakness perceived, and sometimes cultivated by our enemies, in all quarters of our leadership. That's what will make America Great Again.

Biden is the one who almost got us into WWIII. Ukraine was only seen as an asset by Germany and some other EU countries who didn't want to spend the resources on defending it, but wanted us to grab it for them. Biden deep into China's pocket was being encouraged to do all manner of things which would destabilize our nation. Ukraine was no less destructive than street riots with ANTIFA, the pushing of racial division by the DEMs, the demoralization of our military through DEI and a whole host of Maoist inspired divisive measure to make us anything but unified.

He doesn't have time to waste being polite. He will bull his way through to the changes necessary to restore competence in leadership, policies which unite instead of divide, and to restore an internal supply chain necessary for the conduct of war, and to train up an Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, and Space Force to get it done. Pushing Ukraine into concessions to Putin simply deescalates a flash point. Putin hasn't wanted war with the U.S. He wants to play the U.S. Card in keeping China in check and we should want the same damn thing. WWII started in Asia. It's damned likely WWIII will as well. It was in China's interests to tie up the U.S. in a European Police Action, spread us thin, alienate our relationship with Russia, and then take Taiwan and menace Japan.

There's your damn war! Stabilize the Ukraine matter and all of the U.S., an if necessary NATO, and possibly Russian attention will be focused on China and at a time when the trade tariffs will impinge their ability to continue to fund their preparations for a move in Asia. Zelensky is a pimple on the Ass of Peace in Europe. It's time to lance that boil, disinfect the area, and let Peace rest comfortably on its backside of being goaded into war.

Words cannot begin to describe what COVID, a stolen election, and 4 years of Biden almost did in destroying our nation. If we survive as a species in 100 years dissertations will be written about how pivotal it was to undo the sabotage of the last 4 years.

This and this. The two bolded paragraphs are dead on the money.

(03-01-2025 12:55 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 04:16 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 01:15 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 01:14 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I’m sorry but that was disgustingly bad. It reminded me of a conservative going on MSNBC. Trump and Vance have made this personal.
Does anyone believe after that little engagement that Zelinsky is in this for himself. He did not bend the knee and it obviously highly irritated Trump and Vance.

The only knee bending I saw here was the Trump administration bending the knee to Putin. Being scared of WWIII is not exactly a great position to start a strong negotiation. Putin warns of WWIII as a scare tactic and we have cowered in the corner. He has to be breathing a great sigh of relief after LHAO.

Just cut them off and deal with the consequences. Which will be the worst possible outcome.

lol bull****.

You know what? There are many here who are exactly what the idiot loons here claim they are. Trump bots. I am totally behind this administration on ALMOST everything. I’ll be damned if I will look through rose colored glasses like a Tommie Bois and fawn over a complete travesty that plays out in front of the world. It was absolutely ridiculous to do this in front of the press and gang up on a leader of a sovereign country. Anyone of you tell me Putin is not ecstatic this was done.

And to take advantage of a leader who is not proficient in English and make the statement that he wants to litigate this in front of the Americans when Zelinsky is not the one who allowed this to play out in front of the media is outrageous.

In the end it was Trump and Vance raising their voices. The whole episode was disgraceful. If the administration feels as they obviously do then just end our involvement. Trump will give Putin Ukraine. And then WWIII will absolutely be a real possibility.

Actually, it was NOT DISGRACEFUL.

Sorry I’ve watched RESPECTFUL CONSERVATIVES LOSE to many elections because they wouldn’t go to war with Progressive Lunatics and were held to a standard the leftists would NEVER PASS.

Those days are over . Gimme Fight fight fight or enjoy the insanity we been experiencing for the four years.

Personally I now view Zelenskyy as the dog that bites the hand that feeds it.

One of the reasons I'm no longer a registered republican but with a strong leader in place and a somewhat unified position among republicans about the Ukraine issue and DOGE I may well have to re-register.

(03-01-2025 08:31 AM)Kyle Mack Wrote:  Z likely had some deep state coaching prior to the meeting. He really messed up. He's off to London now to meet and beg Eurocuck leaders lol.

he better hope they have a Charlie Wilson over there ... or, maybe it's to finalize a deal with the Swiss for a nice chalet fully furnished with a grand piano...

good luck, Z ... your arse is going to need it...

(03-01-2025 01:22 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 04:52 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  trump is sucking putin dick

why are yall such f'ing idiots

You know with a statement like that I’m led to believe if we converted your brain to gasoline we might have enough fuel for an ANT to ride his mini motorbike around a bb. Seriously

He is the epitome of the union mindset. He is always going to vote democrat, he is always going to do as little work as possible while screaming about needing higher wages and he is always going to parrot opinions he hears on CNN.

(03-01-2025 08:47 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 08:31 AM)Kyle Mack Wrote:  Z likely had some deep state coaching prior to the meeting. He really messed up. He's off to London now to meet and beg Eurocuck leaders lol.

he better hope they have a Charlie Wilson over there ... or, maybe it's to finalize a deal with the Swiss for a nice chalet fully furnished with a grand piano...

good luck, Z ... your arse is going to need it...

We called this early on. This is all globohomo bullshitr that the retard democrats funded for a kickback. These are facts.

Why are some so oblivious.

(03-01-2025 01:30 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Some of you people are saying such stupid crap, I'm just going to let Gemini Coog speak for me in the rest of this thread.

He's on fire and I hesitate to even offer up an opinion because it will sound sophomoric by comparison. He's nailing it with solid 10's across the board. IMO he just joined the upper echelon of articulate and well reasoned posters here. There are only a few I hold in such high regard.

(03-01-2025 07:23 AM)UABFAN23 Wrote:  Ukraine isn’t an American ally, it’s a democrat ally.

Biden had assets to protect there and then came quid pro quo and Russia gate to do so.

I do think in this scenario, Trump is being a business man first before an American protector.

We have no reason to be involved with Ukraine. Better to just cut our losses.

Instead, Trump has given Ukraine a collateral opportunity. You agree to let us dig for minerals so we can be repaid. In turn that marks US territory in Ukraine, Russia is forced to pull out unless they want to get nuked for messing with our business.

Trump will not put American soldiers on the front line unless they are protecting our assets. Ukraine has nothing we need, but has opportunity to pay off debt.

So, really the only card that can be played is a ceasefire of some sort, as we know Europe is all talk when referring to military help for anything combative over there

Scrape our money back thru an audit and refuse to talk to Ukraine until they’ve elected a new president

I’m tired of Democrats and Neo-Cons thinking that American Soldiers should be a meat shield to police the rest of the world. Fugg the rest of the world, we are not the world police. The rest of the world wouldn’t piss on us if we were on fire.

Exactly right, well said.

(03-01-2025 08:49 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 08:47 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 08:31 AM)Kyle Mack Wrote:  Z likely had some deep state coaching prior to the meeting. He really messed up. He's off to London now to meet and beg Eurocuck leaders lol.

he better hope they have a Charlie Wilson over there ... or, maybe it's to finalize a deal with the Swiss for a nice chalet fully furnished with a grand piano...

good luck, Z ... your arse is going to need it...

We called this early on. This is all globohomo bullshitr that the retard democrats funded for a kickback. These are facts.

Why are some so oblivious.

Conditioning. They allowed themselves to succumb to it. Perhaps there's a bit of romanticism in it? They want to feel like America IS the determining factor in all things globally. They still think as the worlds strongest superpower that we have an obligation to the rest of the world who are not yet truly first world? Just spitballing here...

The truth is that we have no critical interests in that region other than belonging to NATO.

(03-01-2025 09:01 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 08:49 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 08:47 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 08:31 AM)Kyle Mack Wrote:  Z likely had some deep state coaching prior to the meeting. He really messed up. He's off to London now to meet and beg Eurocuck leaders lol.

he better hope they have a Charlie Wilson over there ... or, maybe it's to finalize a deal with the Swiss for a nice chalet fully furnished with a grand piano...

good luck, Z ... your arse is going to need it...

We called this early on. This is all globohomo bullshitr that the retard democrats funded for a kickback. These are facts.

Why are some so oblivious.

Conditioning. They allowed themselves to succumb to it. Perhaps there's a bit of romanticism in it? They want to feel like America IS the determining factor in all things globally. They still think as the worlds strongest superpower that we have an obligation to the rest of the world who are not yet truly first world? Just spitballing here...

The truth is that we have no critical interests in that region other than belonging to NATO.

hence, #groverII and why he's easily the best of any 'lame duck' (more irony) ... this is how the game actually works behind closed doors at the big boy table ... however, he's now beyond comfortable demonstrating how this functions for all of Johnny Q. Public to witness...

never thought I'd witness such in real time at this level (wash-tubby-tonnage) ... and as a lifetime apolitical cheeky feller, I couldn't be happier at this particular moment in time...

there are only two presidents I can think of that satisfy this form of transparency coupled with leadership beyond compare ... two of them are on Rushmore (GW and TR) ... there's still room for one more (I can almost see the combover!!!) ...

Obama $pon$ored a J6 type coup of the Ukrainian government in 2014 or nonody would ever have heard of Zelenskyy....there are deep stayers who feel like we own this.

(03-01-2025 02:40 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 01:00 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 12:03 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 08:26 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 08:24 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Trump and his sycophants have only undermined the standing of America in the world in the last month and a half. Verbally attacking Canada and Mexico. Verbally attacking our (former) allies in Europe. And driving away and a wedge between the United States and our former allies and neighbors. Our moral standing now is much less than it was just a month and a half ago. Under this President we are no longer a country that can be counted on. Don't be surprised if the United States is now separated from our former allies because they now see us it's not dependable and, at least with this administration, much closer to gangster States like Russia, China, North Korea and the others because we have a president who doesn't admire good or what's right but only projections of naked gangster type intimidation. That's who Trump is personally and that's who he admires. An insecure bully only picks easy targets. Zielinsky on the other hand is was fighting against an international murderer, for the life of his country, and with great personal risk to himself and is 10 times the man Trump is, was, or ever will be. As the free world turns against the United States I hope enough people take the time to ask themselves what's going on and reevaluate any kind of emotional attachment they have to that man. Nothing he does is an accident.. he's actually a horrible person.

Said like somebody who wants World War III. In fact, every single thing you've ever said on this subforum has been absolute bunk. Just the same old leftist talking points on repeat, which always includes some variation of "ORANGE MAN BAD! REEEEEE! ." Nobody takes you seriously anymore. That is, if they ever did.

Again, SIT! THE MOTHERFUCK! DOWN!

What you said!

Putin has been threatening WWIII with every single weapon sale. At some point believing him on that threat is like believing the MSM. Putin is paranoid, not insane and suicidal.

So many of the idiots on this thread keep saying some of want American boots on the ground, despite us saying we want to AVOID using American troops. We have repeatedly said that. Neville Chamberlin was horribly wrong about "peace in our time," and it cost all of Europe and the US greatly. The surest way to put American troops in harms way is to show weakness like Biden and reward aggression. A bunch of you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth on this.

Now some of you want us to abandon NATO. But unless you want that, you are increasing the chance of Americans having to fight by abandoning Ukraine.

Why will Trump not just say we are out of here like he threatened. Why not? Seems Trump feels Ukraine has no chance, so just let them lose quickly. Problem solved if Putin can kill Zelinsky as a bonus. So why doesn’t he?

They don’t have a chance. Even long term, they will eventually be taken over by Russia.

Trump is right, and Zelensky knows it as well.

Hey you Ukraine lovers out there....

Where is all of the war footage and live coverage?

There is more video of WW1 than this shitshow.

If this war is so damned important to the world, every country would be reporting nonstop from the front lines.

Wellllll?



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