(02-28-2025 03:58 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Trump "made him an offer he can't refuse". That is what this is. Zelensky has already made his Mea Kulpa on X. This deal will be signed by this time tomorrow. Zelensky's advisors wore him out in the SUV. Everything Trump said was correct. As I said a few weeks ago: Zelensky has no cards and has already lost his shirt.

I’ll bet if those were not bulletproof windows in that SUV they would’ve exploded from the raised voices of dissent on that ride out

(02-28-2025 08:19 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 07:48 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 07:21 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 07:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 01:00 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Magnificent Orange Bastard.

Z in his costume. What a clown.

lol---you had to be in heaven today. This was literally your wet dream.

Wasnt able to see the whole thing---but from what I understand Z had a mineral deal that would have at least given the US some skin in the game in Ukriane----and most importantly---I also saw on Twitter that the first part of the oval talk made it clear the REM deal would also mean continued weapons supplies from the US. If thats the case, that was about the best this deal was ever going to be. No idea why Zelensky kept pushing for more security guarantees in public when he was just minutes away from signing a deal that would have given his people the ability to hold their own until the peace deal could be negotiated.

If that is all true---then your celebration may not be over. This was such an incompetent display I will not be shocked if Zelensky doesnt survive the week and is forced to resign by his government.

Because he's a snot-knows spoiled brat who was asking for yet another handout (in terms of money) and we finally cut him off. Besides, Biden pushed Putin (and Russia, since he's in charge of it) into China's arms. Trump's trying to play the long game and split the two of those up. He can't show his hand yet. That's what certain people don't understand. I think you do, but sometimes, what you say on here when it comes to this overall topic makes me wonder. (No offense, of course. lol) Like I said to SoMs Eagle, we have our own problems we need to be dealing with. There was no need for us to get involved in this.

That said, I'll say this once again. Both Putin and Zelenskyy are jerkoffs for different but legitimately equally damning reasons. We know about Putin. Now it's Zelenskyy's turn to be shown in the poor light he deserves.

FWIW---I agree it would be nice to undermine the alliance between Russia and China---but its naive to expect that is likley to happen. Its almost like saying "I sure wish those countries would stop doing whats in their best interests". There are multiple reasons the USA would very much prefer those two were not allied (im sure you can name a bunch of them)----and those reasons are EXACTLY why that alliance will be in place for probably decades to come. It only makes sense that they will be aligned until that alignment doesnt serve their interests (We'd do the same---and did).

Think about it----even if we become an isolationist nation and only stay in the western hemisphere in some sort of new world order of multi-polar modern colonialism ---Im hard pressed to see how Russia and China having their individual spheres of influence aligned together doesnt serve their best interests for quite some time to come. It basically does the same thing NATO did for the US over the last 7 decades. In fact---if we become an isolationist nation---that Russia-China Alliance may very well be the most powerful entity in the world....no idea if they will be as benevolent as we have been while holding that position.

First off, I need to say this: A hell of a lot of us are tired of endless wars, including myself. I know a lot of people on here feel the same way. Hell, I know TripleA has said earlier in this thread. Second, a hell of a lot of us are tired of being the world's police force, which again includes myself. We do it because "we hate injustice" but really it's so certain people can get richer and richer. It's the same with this proxy war that's going nowhere. Besides, every time we've done so for a long time, we've gotten ridiculed for "being imperialists" by even or own allies. So again, like I've told SoMs Eagle, it's time for us to focus on our own problems.

And about Zelenskyy, I need to say this as well. I get that he's pissed off about war. But he should be directing his anger towards those who deserve it: Those who have been lying to him about Ukraine's chances of winning the war, and Putin-led Russia for invading Ukraine yet again. (They did it under Bush 43, Obama, and Biden. He didn't do that under Trump's first time as President.)

Lastly, I need to make this point: Putin is laughing on his way to the bank, so to speak, and it's because of Zelenskyy. If Zelenskyy had been cordial, we would've seen him as a victim of a needless invasion by a country who after the fall of the Soviet Union was supposed to help ensure its security (we along with Russia and the UK made a deal to make sure Ukraine's sovereignty was secure, and Russia broke it) as well as thankful for saving his life, both figuratively and literally. It's okay for him to be angry, as I've said. His anger, however, is misdirected.

He'll be lucky to survive a bloodless coup by members of his Parliament. Good luck, Zelenskyy.

There’s a lot of reason in your post. Can’t say I would disagree with much of it. And it’s not another “kill the little green bsaturd!” reeeeeee

(02-28-2025 04:16 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 01:15 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 01:14 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I’m sorry but that was disgustingly bad. It reminded me of a conservative going on MSNBC. Trump and Vance have made this personal.
Does anyone believe after that little engagement that Zelinsky is in this for himself. He did not bend the knee and it obviously highly irritated Trump and Vance.

The only knee bending I saw here was the Trump administration bending the knee to Putin. Being scared of WWIII is not exactly a great position to start a strong negotiation. Putin warns of WWIII as a scare tactic and we have cowered in the corner. He has to be breathing a great sigh of relief after LHAO.

Just cut them off and deal with the consequences. Which will be the worst possible outcome.

lol bull****.

You know what? There are many here who are exactly what the idiot loons here claim they are. Trump bots. I am totally behind this administration on ALMOST everything. I’ll be damned if I will look through rose colored glasses like a Tommie Bois and fawn over a complete travesty that plays out in front of the world. It was absolutely ridiculous to do this in front of the press and gang up on a leader of a sovereign country. Anyone of you tell me Putin is not ecstatic this was done.

And to take advantage of a leader who is not proficient in English and make the statement that he wants to litigate this in front of the Americans when Zelinsky is not the one who allowed this to play out in front of the media is outrageous.

In the end it was Trump and Vance raising their voices. The whole episode was disgraceful. If the administration feels as they obviously do then just end our involvement. Trump will give Putin Ukraine. And then WWIII will absolutely be a real possibility.

Actually, it was NOT DISGRACEFUL.

Sorry I’ve watched RESPECTFUL CONSERVATIVES LOSE to many elections because they wouldn’t go to war with Progressive Lunatics and were held to a standard the leftists would NEVER PASS.

Those days are over . Gimme Fight fight fight or enjoy the insanity we been experiencing for the four years.

Personally I now view Zelenskyy as the dog that bites the hand that feeds it.

(03-01-2025 12:16 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 10:06 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  I don't understand why anyone would think that Z should be able to walk into the Whitehouse act like he did and think it's ok. Trump for all of the flaws he has as a human being is trying to negotiate peace, this isn't a conversation about who started the fight, who's right who's wrong, it's about stopping needless killing and finding peace.

Many, many years ago I volunteered to join the US Navy knowing full well that I was putting my A$$ on the line for a country that has been acting as the world police since the end of the 2nd world war. I couldn't be happier to see Trump pulling away from that, the amount of blood and tears this country has spent fighting other countries fights is insane. I want to make something else clear though, I don't think for a second we wouldn't fight if there was a reason to and with the might of our military and economic power we have the ability to lean on aggressors opposed to sending our young men and women to die for it. I have been watching the leftist and EU leaders try to do everything they can to paint Trump in a poor light because they realize the gravity of the moment.

The world is coming to a crossroads, The choice to be dependent on the government to tell you how to live and what to think or the choice to be free. The left has been poring honey into peoples ears and pocket books for decades and many a US and EU citizen has been quick to give up control. It's very sad. I am not the most religious person but it does remind me of a verse in the bible.
Matthew 7:15-17 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but underneath are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will know them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Just so, every good tree bears good fruit, and a rotten tree bears bad fruit.

I applaud Trump for doing what is right for our country and I hope for every citizen of the Ukraine that they impeach Z so they can come back to the table and find peace.

Amen, brother. Same here.

(03-01-2025 12:03 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 08:26 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 08:24 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:01 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 05:57 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Trump is in Putin’s pocket and has been wanting to do this all along. Red meat for the MAGA base and a manufactured excuse to abandon Ukraine to a dictator. The whole thing looked manufactured, like a set up with JD Vance sitting there then Lindsey Graham coming out afterwards, who had always staunchly supported ukraine, with his prepared 180 on ukraine and knowing what he's going to say and how he's going to say it in lock step. Even the media jackal who condescendingly asked of Zelinsky had a suit, to the delight of everyone but Marco Rubio, was in on this middle school bullying. Trump is no better than Putin deep down. Hopefully people will begin to see that as more of his immorality shines.

The Democrats would like their 2016 Propaganda back.

Trump and his sycophants have only undermined the standing of America in the world in the last month and a half. Verbally attacking Canada and Mexico. Verbally attacking our (former) allies in Europe. And driving away and a wedge between the United States and our former allies and neighbors. Our moral standing now is much less than it was just a month and a half ago. Under this President we are no longer a country that can be counted on. Don't be surprised if the United States is now separated from our former allies because they now see us it's not dependable and, at least with this administration, much closer to gangster States like Russia, China, North Korea and the others because we have a president who doesn't admire good or what's right but only projections of naked gangster type intimidation. That's who Trump is personally and that's who he admires. An insecure bully only picks easy targets. Zielinsky on the other hand is was fighting against an international murderer, for the life of his country, and with great personal risk to himself and is 10 times the man Trump is, was, or ever will be. As the free world turns against the United States I hope enough people take the time to ask themselves what's going on and reevaluate any kind of emotional attachment they have to that man. Nothing he does is an accident.. he's actually a horrible person.

Said like somebody who wants World War III. In fact, every single thing you've ever said on this subforum has been absolute bunk. Just the same old leftist talking points on repeat, which always includes some variation of "ORANGE MAN BAD! REEEEEE! ." Nobody takes you seriously anymore. That is, if they ever did.

Again, SIT! THE MOTHERFUCK! DOWN!

What you said!

Putin has been threatening WWIII with every single weapon sale. At some point believing him on that threat is like believing the MSM. Putin is paranoid, not insane and suicidal.

So many of the idiots on this thread keep saying some of want American boots on the ground, despite us saying we want to AVOID using American troops. We have repeatedly said that. Neville Chamberlin was horribly wrong about "peace in our time," and it cost all of Europe and the US greatly. The surest way to put American troops in harms way is to show weakness like Biden and reward aggression. A bunch of you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth on this.

Now some of you want us to abandon NATO. But unless you want that, you are increasing the chance of Americans having to fight by abandoning Ukraine.

(02-28-2025 04:16 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 01:15 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 01:14 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I’m sorry but that was disgustingly bad. It reminded me of a conservative going on MSNBC. Trump and Vance have made this personal.
Does anyone believe after that little engagement that Zelinsky is in this for himself. He did not bend the knee and it obviously highly irritated Trump and Vance.

The only knee bending I saw here was the Trump administration bending the knee to Putin. Being scared of WWIII is not exactly a great position to start a strong negotiation. Putin warns of WWIII as a scare tactic and we have cowered in the corner. He has to be breathing a great sigh of relief after LHAO.

Just cut them off and deal with the consequences. Which will be the worst possible outcome.

lol bull****.

You know what? There are many here who are exactly what the idiot loons here claim they are. Trump bots. I am totally behind this administration on ALMOST everything. I’ll be damned if I will look through rose colored glasses like a Tommie Bois and fawn over a complete travesty that plays out in front of the world. It was absolutely ridiculous to do this in front of the press and gang up on a leader of a sovereign country. Anyone of you tell me Putin is not ecstatic this was done.

And to take advantage of a leader who is not proficient in English and make the statement that he wants to litigate this in front of the Americans when Zelinsky is not the one who allowed this to play out in front of the media is outrageous.

In the end it was Trump and Vance raising their voices. The whole episode was disgraceful. If the administration feels as they obviously do then just end our involvement. Trump will give Putin Ukraine. And then WWIII will absolutely be a real possibility.

Not sure what rock fell out of the sky and crowned you but here is a tidbit from a college course I took many years ago called INTERNATIONAL POLITICS.

This was ingrained in every student.


MIGHT MAKES RIGHT


It’s really that simple

And it’s been that way since the Roman Empire and beyond


Save me the ethics speech because I know without a doubt if the shoe was on the other foot we wouldn’t be getting any deal just subjugation

Wake up brother

(03-01-2025 12:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 12:14 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 12:10 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 09:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:43 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Britt Hume, Shannon Bream and Harold Ford Jr. are reviewing the Z interview with Baier.

All three said Z is the one who screwed up, not Trump and Vance. They said he came to the meeting totally unprepared, and failed miserably to read the room.

Baier was also critical of Z, agreed with the other 3, and said Z didn't learn a thing from today.

I can agree that Z screwed up, wasn't prepared and failed to read the room.
Totally disagree about Trump and Vance. They undermined their efforts to bring peace and lost their cool.

I'll take those three's opinions over yours all day every day.

And twice on Sundays.

The Actor lost when Trump went off script and outed Zelensky's delusion, "You don't have a card to play!" That was game set & match. Trump essentially summed up all of the reality in that line.

While that was true, that was an example of Trump going off script and being an idiot. You say that behind closed doors, not for the world to hear. Putin is the one who needs to be brought into line, not Zelensky. And Trump undermined his position with Putin. That line made Trump's goal more difficult. Trump likes to shoot from the hip and often shoots himself in the foot and hurts his allies.

(02-28-2025 04:28 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 01:16 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 01:14 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I’m sorry but that was disgustingly bad. It reminded me of a conservative going on MSNBC. Trump and Vance have made this personal.
Does anyone believe after that little engagement that Zelinsky is in this for himself. He did not bend the knee and it obviously highly irritated Trump and Vance.

The only knee bending I saw here was the Trump administration bending the knee to Putin. Being scared of WWIII is not exactly a great position to start a strong negotiation. Putin warns of WWIII as a scare tactic and we have cowered in the corner. He has to be breathing a great sigh of relief after LHAO.

Just cut them off and deal with the consequences. Which will be the worst possible outcome.

What were you watching? You sound like a Ukranian apologist.

The only people happy after this are Putin and his minions. Prove me wrong.

And the IDIOT ZELENSKYY

DONT LEAVE THAT BAFOON OUT OF YOUR ASSESSMENT

(03-01-2025 12:47 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 08:19 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 07:48 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 07:21 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 07:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  lol---you had to be in heaven today. This was literally your wet dream.

Wasnt able to see the whole thing---but from what I understand Z had a mineral deal that would have at least given the US some skin in the game in Ukriane----and most importantly---I also saw on Twitter that the first part of the oval talk made it clear the REM deal would also mean continued weapons supplies from the US. If thats the case, that was about the best this deal was ever going to be. No idea why Zelensky kept pushing for more security guarantees in public when he was just minutes away from signing a deal that would have given his people the ability to hold their own until the peace deal could be negotiated.

If that is all true---then your celebration may not be over. This was such an incompetent display I will not be shocked if Zelensky doesnt survive the week and is forced to resign by his government.

Because he's a snot-knows spoiled brat who was asking for yet another handout (in terms of money) and we finally cut him off. Besides, Biden pushed Putin (and Russia, since he's in charge of it) into China's arms. Trump's trying to play the long game and split the two of those up. He can't show his hand yet. That's what certain people don't understand. I think you do, but sometimes, what you say on here when it comes to this overall topic makes me wonder. (No offense, of course. lol) Like I said to SoMs Eagle, we have our own problems we need to be dealing with. There was no need for us to get involved in this.

That said, I'll say this once again. Both Putin and Zelenskyy are jerkoffs for different but legitimately equally damning reasons. We know about Putin. Now it's Zelenskyy's turn to be shown in the poor light he deserves.

FWIW---I agree it would be nice to undermine the alliance between Russia and China---but its naive to expect that is likley to happen. Its almost like saying "I sure wish those countries would stop doing whats in their best interests". There are multiple reasons the USA would very much prefer those two were not allied (im sure you can name a bunch of them)----and those reasons are EXACTLY why that alliance will be in place for probably decades to come. It only makes sense that they will be aligned until that alignment doesnt serve their interests (We'd do the same---and did).

Think about it----even if we become an isolationist nation and only stay in the western hemisphere in some sort of new world order of multi-polar modern colonialism ---Im hard pressed to see how Russia and China having their individual spheres of influence aligned together doesnt serve their best interests for quite some time to come. It basically does the same thing NATO did for the US over the last 7 decades. In fact---if we become an isolationist nation---that Russia-China Alliance may very well be the most powerful entity in the world....no idea if they will be as benevolent as we have been while holding that position.

First off, I need to say this: A hell of a lot of us are tired of endless wars, including myself. I know a lot of people on here feel the same way. Hell, I know TripleA has said earlier in this thread. Second, a hell of a lot of us are tired of being the world's police force, which again includes myself. We do it because "we hate injustice" but really it's so certain people can get richer and richer. It's the same with this proxy war that's going nowhere. Besides, every time we've done so for a long time, we've gotten ridiculed for "being imperialists" by even or own allies. So again, like I've told SoMs Eagle, it's time for us to focus on our own problems.

And about Zelenskyy, I need to say this as well. I get that he's pissed off about war. But he should be directing his anger towards those who deserve it: Those who have been lying to him about Ukraine's chances of winning the war, and Putin-led Russia for invading Ukraine yet again. (They did it under Bush 43, Obama, and Biden. He didn't do that under Trump's first time as President.)

Lastly, I need to make this point: Putin is laughing on his way to the bank, so to speak, and it's because of Zelenskyy. If Zelenskyy had been cordial, we would've seen him as a victim of a needless invasion by a country who after the fall of the Soviet Union was supposed to help ensure its security (we along with Russia and the UK made a deal to make sure Ukraine's sovereignty was secure, and Russia broke it) as well as thankful for saving his life, both figuratively and literally. It's okay for him to be angry, as I've said. His anger, however, is misdirected.

He'll be lucky to survive a bloodless coup by members of his Parliament. Good luck, Zelenskyy.

There’s a lot of reason in your post. Can’t say I would disagree with much of it. And it’s not another “kill the little green bsaturd!” reeeeeee

It's what I've been saying (or at least have been trying to say) this whole time, man. I don't want Zelenskyy to die. I don't want anybody to die or suffer. Unfortunately, we've seen a lot of that. And, like I said several posts earlier, this was supposed to have been phase one of a three-phase deal that would've all but guaranteed peace between Ukraine and Russia. And it may still end up being salvaged. But the ball's in Zelenskyy's court right now. As much as any of us may or may not like it, that's just the way it is.

And I'll end on this note: I do not support Vladimir Putin. I never have and I never will either. That said, I don't support Zelenskyy either. And I think his political days are numbered after this UNLESS he can save the REM deal and get the ball rolling toward completing phases two and three of the overall three-phase deal. We'll see what happens, but the senseless deaths on both sides has got to stop.

bullet: There you go again. (To quote Ronald Reagan, also called Ronaldus Magnus by Rush Limbaugh, may both men rest in peace.) No, I want the rest of our NATO allies to step up to the plate and do their part. We've more than done ours, and we're still doing ours by trying to put an end to this thing. But even we can only do so much.

(02-28-2025 04:52 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  trump is sucking putin dick

why are yall such f'ing idiots

You know with a statement like that I’m led to believe if we converted your brain to gasoline we might have enough fuel for an ANT to ride his mini motorbike around a bb. Seriously

(03-01-2025 01:22 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 04:52 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  trump is sucking putin dick

why are yall such f'ing idiots

You know with a statement like that I’m led to believe if we converted your brain to gasoline we might have enough fuel for an ANT to ride his mini motorbike around a bb. Seriously

Dude, remind me to never get on your bad side. That was savage!

Some of you people are saying such stupid crap, I'm just going to let Gemini Coog speak for me in the rest of this thread.

(03-01-2025 01:30 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Some of you people are saying such stupid crap, I'm just going to let Gemini Coog speak for me in the rest of this thread.

I'm not sure I can handle the pressure, AAA. lol

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2erwgwy8vgo
BBC's take.

(02-28-2025 11:13 PM)Curumim Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 11:00 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Ronbots and slavicucks have lost Tulsi


Tulsi Gabbard
@TulsiGabbard
Thank you
@realDonaldTrump
for your unwavering leadership in standing up for the interests of the American people, and peace. What you said is absolutely true: Zelensky has been trying to drag the United States into a nuclear war with Russia/WW3 for years now, and no one has called him on it. Thank you, Vice President
@JDVance
for speaking out so forcefully and clearly, about the necessity of diplomacy.
5:23 PM · Feb 28, 2025
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Good Golly! There's no one left but Europe to protect our boi Z. That can't be good...

I just hope no more blood is shed in this senseless conflict.

Some of you would be reeeeeing for a ceasefire in the Ardens because more would die before we entered Berlin.

Someone has to lose for there to be peace. A ceasefire only prolongs the conflict. Take Gaza for example. Has the ceasefire ended that conflict? It won’t end the killing in Ukraine either.

(03-01-2025 02:07 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 11:13 PM)Curumim Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 11:00 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Ronbots and slavicucks have lost Tulsi


Tulsi Gabbard
@TulsiGabbard
Thank you
@realDonaldTrump
for your unwavering leadership in standing up for the interests of the American people, and peace. What you said is absolutely true: Zelensky has been trying to drag the United States into a nuclear war with Russia/WW3 for years now, and no one has called him on it. Thank you, Vice President
@JDVance
for speaking out so forcefully and clearly, about the necessity of diplomacy.
5:23 PM · Feb 28, 2025
·
2M
Views

Good Golly! There's no one left but Europe to protect our boi Z. That can't be good...

I just hope no more blood is shed in this senseless conflict.

Some of you would be reeeeeing for a ceasefire in the Ardens because more would die before we entered Berlin.

Someone has to lose for there to be peace. A ceasefire only prolongs the conflict. Take Gaza for example. Has the ceasefire ended that conflict? It won’t end the killing in Ukraine either.

The ceasefire between North Korea and South Korea, known as the Korean Armistice Agreement, was signed on July 27, 1953 at Panmunjom, effectively ending the Korean War; however, it is important to note that this is only a ceasefire, not a peace treaty, meaning the war is technically still ongoing.

(03-01-2025 01:00 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-01-2025 12:03 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 08:26 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 08:24 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 06:01 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  The Democrats would like their 2016 Propaganda back.

Trump and his sycophants have only undermined the standing of America in the world in the last month and a half. Verbally attacking Canada and Mexico. Verbally attacking our (former) allies in Europe. And driving away and a wedge between the United States and our former allies and neighbors. Our moral standing now is much less than it was just a month and a half ago. Under this President we are no longer a country that can be counted on. Don't be surprised if the United States is now separated from our former allies because they now see us it's not dependable and, at least with this administration, much closer to gangster States like Russia, China, North Korea and the others because we have a president who doesn't admire good or what's right but only projections of naked gangster type intimidation. That's who Trump is personally and that's who he admires. An insecure bully only picks easy targets. Zielinsky on the other hand is was fighting against an international murderer, for the life of his country, and with great personal risk to himself and is 10 times the man Trump is, was, or ever will be. As the free world turns against the United States I hope enough people take the time to ask themselves what's going on and reevaluate any kind of emotional attachment they have to that man. Nothing he does is an accident.. he's actually a horrible person.

Said like somebody who wants World War III. In fact, every single thing you've ever said on this subforum has been absolute bunk. Just the same old leftist talking points on repeat, which always includes some variation of "ORANGE MAN BAD! REEEEEE! ." Nobody takes you seriously anymore. That is, if they ever did.

Again, SIT! THE MOTHERFUCK! DOWN!

What you said!

Putin has been threatening WWIII with every single weapon sale. At some point believing him on that threat is like believing the MSM. Putin is paranoid, not insane and suicidal.

So many of the idiots on this thread keep saying some of want American boots on the ground, despite us saying we want to AVOID using American troops. We have repeatedly said that. Neville Chamberlin was horribly wrong about "peace in our time," and it cost all of Europe and the US greatly. The surest way to put American troops in harms way is to show weakness like Biden and reward aggression. A bunch of you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth on this.

Now some of you want us to abandon NATO. But unless you want that, you are increasing the chance of Americans having to fight by abandoning Ukraine.

Why will Trump not just say we are out of here like he threatened. Why not? Seems Trump feels Ukraine has no chance, so just let them lose quickly. Problem solved if Putin can kill Zelinsky as a bonus. So why doesn’t he?

People keep referring to Ukraine as “our ally”. Can one of those people clarify that? When have they come to our aid? I know Russia fought on out side in both world wars, but don’t remember Ukraine being there.

To be clear, I don’t consider Russia an ally now, but can document times they were. Not so sure about Ukraine.