(08-08-2022 08:10 AM)XLance Wrote:  The left behind 10 would be......as they say "in the money".
Not only would they get to collect the exit fees from the 4 departing schools, but they get to keep their media rights for another 14 years.

Try selling that narrative to who is still in the Big 12 and Pac-12.

(08-08-2022 08:22 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 08:10 AM)XLance Wrote:  The left behind 10 would be......as they say "in the money".
Not only would they get to collect the exit fees from the 4 departing schools, but they get to keep their media rights for another 14 years.

Try selling that narrative to who is still in the Big 12 and Pac-12.

That's what happens if you depart before the GOR expires.
Timing, as they say, is everything!

ACC Brands left to be taken and assuming 12 are needed for dissolution:

From the ACC:
Florida State / 10th nationally in Revenue / 2nd in the ACC in value added
Clemson / 26th nationally in Revenue / 1st in the ACC in value added
Louisville / 15th nationally in Revenue / 7th in the ACC in value added
Miami / 29th nationally in Revenue / 5th in the ACC in value added
North Carolina / 35th nationally in Revenue / 8th in the ACC in value added
Virginia Tech / 46th nationally in Revenue / 3rd in the ACC in value added
N.C. State / 56th nationally in Revenue / 6th in the ACC in value added
Georgia Tech / 60th nationally in Revenue / 4th in the ACC in value added
Virginia / 36th nationally in Revenue / 9th in the ACC in value added
Syracuse / 59th nationally in Revenue / 10th in the ACC in value added
Pittsburgh / 45th nationally in Revenue / 11th in the ACC in value added
Boston College / 57th nationally in Revenue / 12th in the ACC in value added
Wake Forest / 61st nationally in Revenue / 13th in the ACC in value added
Duke / 33rd nationally in Revenue / 14th in the ACC in value added
*** Notre Dame is the Star brand and greatest value and counts in dissolution***

If adjusted for basketball value added:
Louisville is 1st
Florida State 2nd
Clemson 3rd
Virginia Tech 4th
North Carolina is 5th
Syracuse is 6th
Duke is 7th
N.C. State 8th
Georgia Tech 9th
Miami 10th
Virginia 11th
Pittsburgh 12th
Wake Forest 13th
Boston College is 14th

B12 remaining schools of interest:

Kansas / 34th nationally in Revenue / 3rd in the B12 when adjusted for basketball with a significant gap between 3rd and 4th.

*** If Kansas was adjusted for basketball valuation and placed in the ACC here is where they would stand: 5th in Revenue / 1st in value added.

PAC school are limited to just the Big 10.




Market additions left to be taken:

Georgia Tech / Atlanta
Miami / Miami (the greater region)
Texas Christian / DFW
Florida State (general state coverage)
North Carolina (general state coverage)
Virginia Tech / Virginia (general state coverage)
Syracuse (general state coverage)
Boston College (Greater Boston)
Pittsburgh (Pittsburgh)


There's the info.

So which 8 should head to the SEC (whose preference is Deep South brands and new states) and which 4 should head to the B1G (whose preference is AAU and large markets)? And do you think if Kansas is taken dissolution is still safe at 11?

And has anyone considered that if the Big 10 ignores the ACC that the SEC can't take enough to dissolve them and would be forced to consider Kansas, Colorado for expansion?

(08-05-2022 07:57 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  One of the Florida teams are going to go to the Big 10.
I doubt Florida, FSU, and Miami are all in the same conference.

My expectation as well, unless the SEC feels it needs to make a third down stop. Then it could bring the blitz.

(08-08-2022 08:10 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 07:28 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  If somehow only 4 ACC teams move at once, that makes things complicated and messy. Removing 4 ACC teams means you leave what is left in the ACC as a solid obstructionist voting block. Right now with the ACC whole, there's enough votes to stop obstructionism out of teams with a plausible P2 invite. Remove 4 P2 teams and that blows up the math.

The left behind 10 would be......as they say "in the money".
Not only would they get to collect the exit fees from the 4 departing schools, but they get to keep their media rights for another 14 years.

Not if it wasn't 10 "left behind"

Big10 could go after ND (or it could return to independence), the AAU schools, and "nearly" AAU schools in the state of Florida: FSU and/or Miami.

AAU schools: NC, Duke, VA, GA tech, Pitt, (and Syracuse used to be).

SEC would likely go after any of the above (Syracuse and Pitt unlikely), plus Va tech, NC state, Clemson, and Louisville.

So in that scenario, noted above by others, if only WF and BC (and maybe Syracuse and/or Pitt), are "left behind", there may not be a conference to pay out to...

(08-08-2022 09:08 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
ACC Brands left to be taken and assuming 12 are needed for dissolution:

From the ACC:
Florida State / 10th nationally in Revenue / 2nd in the ACC in value added
Clemson / 26th nationally in Revenue / 1st in the ACC in value added
Louisville / 15th nationally in Revenue / 7th in the ACC in value added
Miami / 29th nationally in Revenue / 5th in the ACC in value added
North Carolina / 35th nationally in Revenue / 8th in the ACC in value added
Virginia Tech / 46th nationally in Revenue / 3rd in the ACC in value added
N.C. State / 56th nationally in Revenue / 6th in the ACC in value added
Georgia Tech / 60th nationally in Revenue / 4th in the ACC in value added
Virginia / 36th nationally in Revenue / 9th in the ACC in value added
Syracuse / 59th nationally in Revenue / 10th in the ACC in value added
Pittsburgh / 45th nationally in Revenue / 11th in the ACC in value added
Boston College / 57th nationally in Revenue / 12th in the ACC in value added
Wake Forest / 61st nationally in Revenue / 13th in the ACC in value added
Duke / 33rd nationally in Revenue / 14th in the ACC in value added
*** Notre Dame is the Star brand and greatest value and counts in dissolution***

If adjusted for basketball value added:
Louisville is 1st
Florida State 2nd
Clemson 3rd
Virginia Tech 4th
North Carolina is 5th
Syracuse is 6th
Duke is 7th
N.C. State 8th
Georgia Tech 9th
Miami 10th
Virginia 11th
Pittsburgh 12th
Wake Forest 13th
Boston College is 14th

B12 remaining schools of interest:

Kansas / 34th nationally in Revenue / 3rd in the B12 when adjusted for basketball with a significant gap between 3rd and 4th.

*** If Kansas was adjusted for basketball valuation and placed in the ACC here is where they would stand: 5th in Revenue / 1st in value added.

PAC school are limited to just the Big 10.




Market additions left to be taken:

Georgia Tech / Atlanta
Miami / Miami (the greater region)
Texas Christian / DFW
Florida State (general state coverage)
North Carolina (general state coverage)
Virginia Tech / Virginia (general state coverage)
Syracuse (general state coverage)
Boston College (Greater Boston)
Pittsburgh (Pittsburgh)


There's the info.

So which 8 should head to the SEC (whose preference is Deep South brands and new states) and which 4 should head to the B1G (whose preference is AAU and large markets)? And do you think if Kansas is taken dissolution is still safe at 11?

And has anyone considered that if the Big 10 ignores the ACC that the SEC can't take enough to dissolve them and would be forced to consider Kansas, Colorado for expansion?

My Gordian Knot Solution would be this:

The SEC takes Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Kansas, Louisville, Miami, North Carolina/N.C. State, and Virginia Tech, and agrees to a partial deal with Notre Dame.

The Big 10 is then free to take Duke, Virginia, North Carolina, and Pitt.

(08-08-2022 09:08 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Georgia Tech / 60th nationally in Revenue / 4th in the ACC in value added

Can we not be graded against the gaggle of nitwits currently in charge of the revenue sports? They're the worst combo on the flats in three generations. And both will be gone in the next 18 months.

(08-08-2022 09:25 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 09:08 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
ACC Brands left to be taken and assuming 12 are needed for dissolution:

From the ACC:
Florida State / 10th nationally in Revenue / 2nd in the ACC in value added
Clemson / 26th nationally in Revenue / 1st in the ACC in value added
Louisville / 15th nationally in Revenue / 7th in the ACC in value added
Miami / 29th nationally in Revenue / 5th in the ACC in value added
North Carolina / 35th nationally in Revenue / 8th in the ACC in value added
Virginia Tech / 46th nationally in Revenue / 3rd in the ACC in value added
N.C. State / 56th nationally in Revenue / 6th in the ACC in value added
Georgia Tech / 60th nationally in Revenue / 4th in the ACC in value added
Virginia / 36th nationally in Revenue / 9th in the ACC in value added
Syracuse / 59th nationally in Revenue / 10th in the ACC in value added
Pittsburgh / 45th nationally in Revenue / 11th in the ACC in value added
Boston College / 57th nationally in Revenue / 12th in the ACC in value added
Wake Forest / 61st nationally in Revenue / 13th in the ACC in value added
Duke / 33rd nationally in Revenue / 14th in the ACC in value added
*** Notre Dame is the Star brand and greatest value and counts in dissolution***

If adjusted for basketball value added:
Louisville is 1st
Florida State 2nd
Clemson 3rd
Virginia Tech 4th
North Carolina is 5th
Syracuse is 6th
Duke is 7th
N.C. State 8th
Georgia Tech 9th
Miami 10th
Virginia 11th
Pittsburgh 12th
Wake Forest 13th
Boston College is 14th

B12 remaining schools of interest:

Kansas / 34th nationally in Revenue / 3rd in the B12 when adjusted for basketball with a significant gap between 3rd and 4th.

*** If Kansas was adjusted for basketball valuation and placed in the ACC here is where they would stand: 5th in Revenue / 1st in value added.

PAC school are limited to just the Big 10.




Market additions left to be taken:

Georgia Tech / Atlanta
Miami / Miami (the greater region)
Texas Christian / DFW
Florida State (general state coverage)
North Carolina (general state coverage)
Virginia Tech / Virginia (general state coverage)
Syracuse (general state coverage)
Boston College (Greater Boston)
Pittsburgh (Pittsburgh)


There's the info.

So which 8 should head to the SEC (whose preference is Deep South brands and new states) and which 4 should head to the B1G (whose preference is AAU and large markets)? And do you think if Kansas is taken dissolution is still safe at 11?

And has anyone considered that if the Big 10 ignores the ACC that the SEC can't take enough to dissolve them and would be forced to consider Kansas, Colorado for expansion?

My Gordian Knot Solution would be this:

The SEC takes Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Kansas, Louisville, Miami, North Carolina/N.C. State, and Virginia Tech, and agrees to a partial deal with Notre Dame.

The Big 10 is then free to take Duke, Virginia, North Carolina, and Pitt.

Having UNC in both the B1G and the SEC is a bold move Jr!

(08-08-2022 09:44 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 09:25 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 09:08 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
ACC Brands left to be taken and assuming 12 are needed for dissolution:

From the ACC:
Florida State / 10th nationally in Revenue / 2nd in the ACC in value added
Clemson / 26th nationally in Revenue / 1st in the ACC in value added
Louisville / 15th nationally in Revenue / 7th in the ACC in value added
Miami / 29th nationally in Revenue / 5th in the ACC in value added
North Carolina / 35th nationally in Revenue / 8th in the ACC in value added
Virginia Tech / 46th nationally in Revenue / 3rd in the ACC in value added
N.C. State / 56th nationally in Revenue / 6th in the ACC in value added
Georgia Tech / 60th nationally in Revenue / 4th in the ACC in value added
Virginia / 36th nationally in Revenue / 9th in the ACC in value added
Syracuse / 59th nationally in Revenue / 10th in the ACC in value added
Pittsburgh / 45th nationally in Revenue / 11th in the ACC in value added
Boston College / 57th nationally in Revenue / 12th in the ACC in value added
Wake Forest / 61st nationally in Revenue / 13th in the ACC in value added
Duke / 33rd nationally in Revenue / 14th in the ACC in value added
*** Notre Dame is the Star brand and greatest value and counts in dissolution***

If adjusted for basketball value added:
Louisville is 1st
Florida State 2nd
Clemson 3rd
Virginia Tech 4th
North Carolina is 5th
Syracuse is 6th
Duke is 7th
N.C. State 8th
Georgia Tech 9th
Miami 10th
Virginia 11th
Pittsburgh 12th
Wake Forest 13th
Boston College is 14th

B12 remaining schools of interest:

Kansas / 34th nationally in Revenue / 3rd in the B12 when adjusted for basketball with a significant gap between 3rd and 4th.

*** If Kansas was adjusted for basketball valuation and placed in the ACC here is where they would stand: 5th in Revenue / 1st in value added.

PAC school are limited to just the Big 10.




Market additions left to be taken:

Georgia Tech / Atlanta
Miami / Miami (the greater region)
Texas Christian / DFW
Florida State (general state coverage)
North Carolina (general state coverage)
Virginia Tech / Virginia (general state coverage)
Syracuse (general state coverage)
Boston College (Greater Boston)
Pittsburgh (Pittsburgh)


There's the info.

So which 8 should head to the SEC (whose preference is Deep South brands and new states) and which 4 should head to the B1G (whose preference is AAU and large markets)? And do you think if Kansas is taken dissolution is still safe at 11?

And has anyone considered that if the Big 10 ignores the ACC that the SEC can't take enough to dissolve them and would be forced to consider Kansas, Colorado for expansion?

My Gordian Knot Solution would be this:

The SEC takes Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Kansas, Louisville, Miami, North Carolina/N.C. State, and Virginia Tech, and agrees to a partial deal with Notre Dame.

The Big 10 is then free to take Duke, Virginia, North Carolina, and Pitt.

Having UNC in both the B1G and the SEC is a bold move Jr!

Are you visually and perceptually challenged? the / denotes one of the two meaning the SEC might prefer the first listed but would accept the second.

(08-08-2022 08:10 AM)XLance Wrote:  The left behind 10 would be......as they say "in the money".
Not only would they get to collect the exit fees from the 4 departing schools, but they get to keep their media rights for another 14 years.

People don't see this very often... they get too hung up on a school being "left behind" and assume they are not open to negotiation.

The bottom line for all 14 (+1 ND) ACC schools is that they are currently underpaid relative to the market. So there's a potential arbitrage opportunity here and ALL ACC members can improve their financial position for the next 14 years. If 4-8 members leave for the B1G and SEC, the remaining members can be sooo far ahead just from exit fees alone, and if they can settle the Grant of Rights, it could be tens of millions of dollars annually for each remaining ACC school. In effect, the net conference payout for EACH ACC school could move from ~$35m to $50m-70m (likely higher for those that leave for the B1G/SEC).

Edit: I think any "leftover" ACC school should consider settling for ~$200m combined exit fee + Grant of Rights dissolution for a leaving member. If 6 schools left the ACC at a $200m settlement, it would equate to roughly $10.5m annually for the remaining 8 schools, which would be in addition to their ~$36m conference payout today. It wouldn't be parity with the big dogs, but it would put them in a great spot relative to the Pac-12 and Big XII, plus with the backing of ESPN and the ACC Network.

(08-04-2022 07:46 PM)Eichorst Wrote:  Pac-12 schools will also be targeted by the SEC. Don't think for a second that the SEC isn't trying to work with Oregon, Arizona St, and maybe others as well.

Make zero sense to add BigXII or PAC if the SEC can take in the ACC schools that would insure they have total control of Southern Football , Basketball , Baseball, Women's sports

SEC lowkey wants WKU and Liberty

JR, if the Big 10 is able to tentatively (and unofficially) secure ND solo, then, if the SEC wants to expand at the expense of the ACC they are going to need the Big 10 to help re-home enough programs to break the GOR and I think the SEC might have to make a few compromises as far as who gets to take who.

I think both the SEC and Big 10 are leaving money on the table if they delay expansion a decade or more.

(08-08-2022 10:09 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 07:46 PM)Eichorst Wrote:  Pac-12 schools will also be targeted by the SEC. Don't think for a second that the SEC isn't trying to work with Oregon, Arizona St, and maybe others as well.

Make zero sense to add BigXII or PAC if the SEC can take in the ACC schools that would insure they have total control of Southern Football , Basketball , Baseball, Women's sports

Haven't they reached saturation of southern markets? Increasingly, the SEC will need to look broader for expansion.

(08-08-2022 10:18 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  JR, if the Big 10 is able to tentatively (and unofficially) secure ND solo, then, if the SEC wants to expand at the expense of the ACC they are going to need the Big 10 to help re-home enough programs to break the GOR and I think the SEC might have to make a few compromises as far as who gets to take who.

I think both the SEC and Big 10 are leaving money on the table if they delay expansion a decade or more.

We’ll see.

Depends on what the offer is to the other ACC schools and the means utilized to get them to the settlement table.

The other ACC schools will ultimately be risk averse. An offer to make equal or a premium to current deal, and conference security, will be tough to pass up. The GOR isn’t for perpetuity, so the ability to position a good exit will be only go down from here.

Only those that see themselves as P2 hopefuls would be difficult to settle with. Delusion can be an effective negotiation tactic. But if something like no home games or even a COVID-like sit out in which everyone loses is explored, reality kicks in

(08-08-2022 10:29 AM)Eichorst Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 10:09 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 07:46 PM)Eichorst Wrote:  Pac-12 schools will also be targeted by the SEC. Don't think for a second that the SEC isn't trying to work with Oregon, Arizona St, and maybe others as well.

Make zero sense to add BigXII or PAC if the SEC can take in the ACC schools that would insure they have total control of Southern Football , Basketball , Baseball, Women's sports

Haven't they reached saturation of southern markets? Increasingly, the SEC will need to look broader for expansion.

There's a lot of South still left on the table. North Carolina & Virginia especially, the 9th and 12th largest states respectively. There is also opportunity remaining in Florida, the 3rd largest state where the SEC currently only has one of the Sunshine State's 3 P5 programs.

(08-08-2022 09:48 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 09:44 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 09:25 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 09:08 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
ACC Brands left to be taken and assuming 12 are needed for dissolution:

From the ACC:
Florida State / 10th nationally in Revenue / 2nd in the ACC in value added
Clemson / 26th nationally in Revenue / 1st in the ACC in value added
Louisville / 15th nationally in Revenue / 7th in the ACC in value added
Miami / 29th nationally in Revenue / 5th in the ACC in value added
North Carolina / 35th nationally in Revenue / 8th in the ACC in value added
Virginia Tech / 46th nationally in Revenue / 3rd in the ACC in value added
N.C. State / 56th nationally in Revenue / 6th in the ACC in value added
Georgia Tech / 60th nationally in Revenue / 4th in the ACC in value added
Virginia / 36th nationally in Revenue / 9th in the ACC in value added
Syracuse / 59th nationally in Revenue / 10th in the ACC in value added
Pittsburgh / 45th nationally in Revenue / 11th in the ACC in value added
Boston College / 57th nationally in Revenue / 12th in the ACC in value added
Wake Forest / 61st nationally in Revenue / 13th in the ACC in value added
Duke / 33rd nationally in Revenue / 14th in the ACC in value added
*** Notre Dame is the Star brand and greatest value and counts in dissolution***

If adjusted for basketball value added:
Louisville is 1st
Florida State 2nd
Clemson 3rd
Virginia Tech 4th
North Carolina is 5th
Syracuse is 6th
Duke is 7th
N.C. State 8th
Georgia Tech 9th
Miami 10th
Virginia 11th
Pittsburgh 12th
Wake Forest 13th
Boston College is 14th

B12 remaining schools of interest:

Kansas / 34th nationally in Revenue / 3rd in the B12 when adjusted for basketball with a significant gap between 3rd and 4th.

*** If Kansas was adjusted for basketball valuation and placed in the ACC here is where they would stand: 5th in Revenue / 1st in value added.

PAC school are limited to just the Big 10.




Market additions left to be taken:

Georgia Tech / Atlanta
Miami / Miami (the greater region)
Texas Christian / DFW
Florida State (general state coverage)
North Carolina (general state coverage)
Virginia Tech / Virginia (general state coverage)
Syracuse (general state coverage)
Boston College (Greater Boston)
Pittsburgh (Pittsburgh)


There's the info.

So which 8 should head to the SEC (whose preference is Deep South brands and new states) and which 4 should head to the B1G (whose preference is AAU and large markets)? And do you think if Kansas is taken dissolution is still safe at 11?

And has anyone considered that if the Big 10 ignores the ACC that the SEC can't take enough to dissolve them and would be forced to consider Kansas, Colorado for expansion?

My Gordian Knot Solution would be this:

The SEC takes Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Kansas, Louisville, Miami, North Carolina/N.C. State, and Virginia Tech, and agrees to a partial deal with Notre Dame.

The Big 10 is then free to take Duke, Virginia, North Carolina, and Pitt.

Having UNC in both the B1G and the SEC is a bold move Jr!

Are you visually and perceptually challenged? the / denotes one of the two meaning the SEC might prefer the first listed but would accept the second.

Okay got it...good grief...jeesh.

(08-08-2022 10:42 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 09:48 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 09:44 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 09:25 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 09:08 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
ACC Brands left to be taken and assuming 12 are needed for dissolution:

From the ACC:
Florida State / 10th nationally in Revenue / 2nd in the ACC in value added
Clemson / 26th nationally in Revenue / 1st in the ACC in value added
Louisville / 15th nationally in Revenue / 7th in the ACC in value added
Miami / 29th nationally in Revenue / 5th in the ACC in value added
North Carolina / 35th nationally in Revenue / 8th in the ACC in value added
Virginia Tech / 46th nationally in Revenue / 3rd in the ACC in value added
N.C. State / 56th nationally in Revenue / 6th in the ACC in value added
Georgia Tech / 60th nationally in Revenue / 4th in the ACC in value added
Virginia / 36th nationally in Revenue / 9th in the ACC in value added
Syracuse / 59th nationally in Revenue / 10th in the ACC in value added
Pittsburgh / 45th nationally in Revenue / 11th in the ACC in value added
Boston College / 57th nationally in Revenue / 12th in the ACC in value added
Wake Forest / 61st nationally in Revenue / 13th in the ACC in value added
Duke / 33rd nationally in Revenue / 14th in the ACC in value added
*** Notre Dame is the Star brand and greatest value and counts in dissolution***

If adjusted for basketball value added:
Louisville is 1st
Florida State 2nd
Clemson 3rd
Virginia Tech 4th
North Carolina is 5th
Syracuse is 6th
Duke is 7th
N.C. State 8th
Georgia Tech 9th
Miami 10th
Virginia 11th
Pittsburgh 12th
Wake Forest 13th
Boston College is 14th

B12 remaining schools of interest:

Kansas / 34th nationally in Revenue / 3rd in the B12 when adjusted for basketball with a significant gap between 3rd and 4th.

*** If Kansas was adjusted for basketball valuation and placed in the ACC here is where they would stand: 5th in Revenue / 1st in value added.

PAC school are limited to just the Big 10.




Market additions left to be taken:

Georgia Tech / Atlanta
Miami / Miami (the greater region)
Texas Christian / DFW
Florida State (general state coverage)
North Carolina (general state coverage)
Virginia Tech / Virginia (general state coverage)
Syracuse (general state coverage)
Boston College (Greater Boston)
Pittsburgh (Pittsburgh)


There's the info.

So which 8 should head to the SEC (whose preference is Deep South brands and new states) and which 4 should head to the B1G (whose preference is AAU and large markets)? And do you think if Kansas is taken dissolution is still safe at 11?

And has anyone considered that if the Big 10 ignores the ACC that the SEC can't take enough to dissolve them and would be forced to consider Kansas, Colorado for expansion?

My Gordian Knot Solution would be this:

The SEC takes Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Kansas, Louisville, Miami, North Carolina/N.C. State, and Virginia Tech, and agrees to a partial deal with Notre Dame.

The Big 10 is then free to take Duke, Virginia, North Carolina, and Pitt.

Having UNC in both the B1G and the SEC is a bold move Jr!

Are you visually and perceptually challenged? the / denotes one of the two meaning the SEC might prefer the first listed but would accept the second.

Okay got it...good grief...jeesh.

It's okay. No harm, no foul! It is frequently used here to denote a choice. I enjoy your posts!

(08-08-2022 09:08 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
ACC Brands left to be taken and assuming 12 are needed for dissolution:

From the ACC:
Florida State / 10th nationally in Revenue / 2nd in the ACC in value added
Clemson / 26th nationally in Revenue / 1st in the ACC in value added
Louisville / 15th nationally in Revenue / 7th in the ACC in value added
Miami / 29th nationally in Revenue / 5th in the ACC in value added
North Carolina / 35th nationally in Revenue / 8th in the ACC in value added
Virginia Tech / 46th nationally in Revenue / 3rd in the ACC in value added
N.C. State / 56th nationally in Revenue / 6th in the ACC in value added
Georgia Tech / 60th nationally in Revenue / 4th in the ACC in value added
Virginia / 36th nationally in Revenue / 9th in the ACC in value added
Syracuse / 59th nationally in Revenue / 10th in the ACC in value added
Pittsburgh / 45th nationally in Revenue / 11th in the ACC in value added
Boston College / 57th nationally in Revenue / 12th in the ACC in value added
Wake Forest / 61st nationally in Revenue / 13th in the ACC in value added
Duke / 33rd nationally in Revenue / 14th in the ACC in value added
*** Notre Dame is the Star brand and greatest value and counts in dissolution***

If adjusted for basketball value added:
Louisville is 1st
Florida State 2nd
Clemson 3rd
Virginia Tech 4th
North Carolina is 5th
Syracuse is 6th
Duke is 7th
N.C. State 8th
Georgia Tech 9th
Miami 10th
Virginia 11th
Pittsburgh 12th
Wake Forest 13th
Boston College is 14th

B12 remaining schools of interest:

Kansas / 34th nationally in Revenue / 3rd in the B12 when adjusted for basketball with a significant gap between 3rd and 4th.

*** If Kansas was adjusted for basketball valuation and placed in the ACC here is where they would stand: 5th in Revenue / 1st in value added.

PAC school are limited to just the Big 10.




Market additions left to be taken:

Georgia Tech / Atlanta
Miami / Miami (the greater region)
Texas Christian / DFW
Florida State (general state coverage)
North Carolina (general state coverage)
Virginia Tech / Virginia (general state coverage)
Syracuse (general state coverage)
Boston College (Greater Boston)
Pittsburgh (Pittsburgh)


There's the info.

So which 8 should head to the SEC (whose preference is Deep South brands and new states) and which 4 should head to the B1G (whose preference is AAU and large markets)? And do you think if Kansas is taken dissolution is still safe at 11?

And has anyone considered that if the Big 10 ignores the ACC that the SEC can't take enough to dissolve them and would be forced to consider Kansas, Colorado for expansion?

Dissolution is not the only means around the GOR in these types of deals and the methodology behind these valuations debatable imo. Reminds me of Shapiro telling Delaney he was rolling the dice passing on ESPN's offer...I should say Shapiro formerly of ESPN.

I don't really know how much the valuations deltas between some of these matters in the end anyway, with the BIG and SEC brand being what is important going forward. This is adding franchises to the league as much as it is getting the current brand of these schools. Which can best prosper with just their own area so as to mitigate the need to cannibalize other franchises in the conference?

(08-08-2022 10:37 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 10:29 AM)Eichorst Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 10:09 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(08-04-2022 07:46 PM)Eichorst Wrote:  Pac-12 schools will also be targeted by the SEC. Don't think for a second that the SEC isn't trying to work with Oregon, Arizona St, and maybe others as well.

Make zero sense to add BigXII or PAC if the SEC can take in the ACC schools that would insure they have total control of Southern Football , Basketball , Baseball, Women's sports

Haven't they reached saturation of southern markets? Increasingly, the SEC will need to look broader for expansion.

There's a lot of South still left on the table. North Carolina & Virginia especially, the 9th and 12th largest states respectively. There is also opportunity remaining in Florida, the 3rd largest state where the SEC currently only has one of the Sunshine State's 3 P5 programs.

I agree there's more they can reach, but consider that many Miami fans probably also watch Florida football. There's probably more overlap of Miami/Florida fans than, say, Florida and Oregon fans. So the SEC might be best served by first looking beyond their sphere of influence.

Of course, they might really want to block B1G expansion into the south, so they may place a premium on expansion within/near the footprint.