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(08-05-2022 07:57 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  One of the Florida teams are going to go to the Big 10.

(08-05-2022 08:15 AM)b2b Wrote:  I don't think there's any chance that the SEC is going to let the Big 10 into FL.

Hmmmmmm ...
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(08-05-2022 09:26 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 07:57 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  One of the Florida teams are going to go to the Big 10.

(08-05-2022 08:15 AM)b2b Wrote:  I don't think there's any chance that the SEC is going to let the Big 10 into FL.

Hmmmmmm ...

(08-05-2022 08:55 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  All three are in different parts of the state, I think.

That said, I agree in that I would be surprised if the Big10 isn't exploring the possibility of any of the/all of the 3

Wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall for the various phone calls and meetings between the Florida schools and the SEC / B10?

or the "casual" discussions likely also happening with ESPN?
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(08-05-2022 09:35 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  Wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall for the various phone calls and meetings between the Florida schools and the SEC / B10?

or the "casual" discussions likely also happening with ESPN?

I sure would! The lack of real news on realignment makes me suspect there are tons of cloak & dagger machinations going on behind the scenes right now...
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If this all happened all hell is going to break out. The Big won't stop at ND/?. Once SEC managed to blow past the GOR, NC will be gone to one of the big 2, My guess is the Big. NC state may well be SEC to make it an even 4. I don't think what is left of ACC can take much of anyone, The B12 should try to go both east and west all the way up to 20 as well. Though it it possible Pac and ACC could take down the B12.
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(08-04-2022 08:56 PM)otown Wrote:  Honestly, B1G went all the ways to California for brand reach and dramatically increased their potential media deal. Why in the world would they not try to set up shop in Florida?

Honestly. If the GoR was not in play, there would be a slug fest between the SEC and B1G for FSU and Miami. Not that SEC necessarily wants them really bad, but because they want to block the B1G in the 3rd most populous state with fertile football recruiting grounds and an avid football fan state.

Which leads me to another crazy thought. If the ACC GoR is so unbreakable for over a decade and the B1G and SEC decide that there is no way around it...... does the B1G hold their nose on academics and take UCF and or USF to break into the state via the back door?

I get it, their academics are nowhere near AAU. However, with everything now being based about media money and brand expansion with regards to matchups and populations........ is it that crazy to think they consider it to break into Florida if FSU and Miami are unable to get out of the GoR?

I'm not wishcasting, just thinking outloud. Just a thought.

There is a huge Midwest population in Florida.

They waited over 20 years after adding Penn St. to get Nebraska. They aren't going to rush and just add any team. Going to Florida would be a strategic move, but adding FSU or Miami also adds value whereas those others would not.

I completely understand your position. However, JRSec has been right on many things over the past year regarding realignment. What the B1G did in the past may be entirely irrelevant to the current climate. His notation that it is no longer about individual school values and more about spreading overall conference brand value.

Obviously FSU and Miami, the ladder being more questionable than the first, certainly would be the best candidates. They are the most well known and have the largest fan following in Florida outside of UF.....although I question the Miami fan base for obvious reasons lol.

However, in the world where the ACC GoR is deemed ironclad and unbreakable for the next generation, is it that far feched to think UCF, USF, or both get a B1G invite. Based on JRSec's presumption that it is not all about individual school value but expanding conference brands? Florida has more midwest transplants than probably the entire population of Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. Florida has over 21 million people in it, which the B1G network would do wonders in. Having Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State etc playing games in Florida annually would be a big boon to recruiting and quite honestly, the teams would love playing in better weather late season lol.

Look, just thinking outloud. Don't want anyone to get very offended. Thinking about JRSec's opinion on all of this. Seeing reports of the B1G getting $300-500 million more just on the UCLA/USC combo alone. We all know, the individual schools are NOT worth that much, even for a USC/UCLA combo. Obviously there are other metrics in play for the B1G with this LA metro move. Why wouldn't the same potentially be in play for UCF/USF?
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RE: FWIW: Dan Patrick Thinks If ND Heads to B1G the SEC Will Go After 3 Major Programs
(08-05-2022 09:59 AM)otown Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 09:16 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 08:56 PM)otown Wrote:  Honestly, B1G went all the ways to California for brand reach and dramatically increased their potential media deal. Why in the world would they not try to set up shop in Florida?

Honestly. If the GoR was not in play, there would be a slug fest between the SEC and B1G for FSU and Miami. Not that SEC necessarily wants them really bad, but because they want to block the B1G in the 3rd most populous state with fertile football recruiting grounds and an avid football fan state.

Which leads me to another crazy thought. If the ACC GoR is so unbreakable for over a decade and the B1G and SEC decide that there is no way around it...... does the B1G hold their nose on academics and take UCF and or USF to break into the state via the back door?

I get it, their academics are nowhere near AAU. However, with everything now being based about media money and brand expansion with regards to matchups and populations........ is it that crazy to think they consider it to break into Florida if FSU and Miami are unable to get out of the GoR?

I'm not wishcasting, just thinking outloud. Just a thought.

There is a huge Midwest population in Florida.

They waited over 20 years after adding Penn St. to get Nebraska. They aren't going to rush and just add any team. Going to Florida would be a strategic move, but adding FSU or Miami also adds value whereas those others would not.

I completely understand your position. However, JRSec has been right on many things over the past year regarding realignment. What the B1G did in the past may be entirely irrelevant to the current climate. His notation that it is no longer about individual school values and more about spreading overall conference brand value.

Obviously FSU and Miami, the ladder being more questionable than the first, certainly would be the best candidates. They are the most well known and have the largest fan following in Florida outside of UF.....although I question the Miami fan base for obvious reasons lol.

However, in the world where the ACC GoR is deemed ironclad and unbreakable for the next generation, is it that far feched to think UCF, USF, or both get a B1G invite. Based on JRSec's presumption that it is not all about individual school value but expanding conference brands? Florida has more midwest transplants than probably the entire population of Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. Florida has over 21 million people in it, which the B1G network would do wonders in. Having Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State etc playing games in Florida annually would be a big boon to recruiting and quite honestly, the teams would love playing in better weather late season lol.

Look, just thinking outloud. Don't want anyone to get very offended. Thinking about JRSec's opinion on all of this. Seeing reports of the B1G getting $300-500 million more just on the UCLA/USC combo alone. We all know, the individual schools are NOT worth that much, even for a USC/UCLA combo. Obviously there are other metrics in play for the B1G with this LA metro move. Why wouldn't the same potentially be in play for UCF/USF?

Individual brands matter more than ever, especially in a streaming world. Zero chance for USF or UCF in the P2. Too many other bigger brands. These are 50 year decisions, so they will wait for the better option. If there were no FSU or Miami ever available, it might be a different answer.
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(08-05-2022 09:49 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  If this all happened all hell is going to break out. The Big won't stop at ND/?. Once SEC managed to blow past the GOR, NC will be gone to one of the big 2, My guess is the Big. NC state may well be SEC to make it an even 4. I don't think what is left of ACC can take much of anyone, The B12 should try to go both east and west all the way up to 20 as well. Though it it possible Pac and ACC could take down the B12.

If they actually find a way to break the GoR (likely with ESPN's help), I think SEC will try to get every southern ACC school possible (except maybe WF - though WF might win the lottery here in order to get their vote to help make this happen).

Before this is over, I think Pitt, Syracuse, BC, and WF will have some sort of payment coming their way (monetary or otherwise), in order to to help smooth the gears.

16+10=26

The SEC could absorb all of that, and maybe a couple more. Though in all likelihood, the B10 could get a few of those schools as well.
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(08-05-2022 09:46 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 09:35 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  Wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall for the various phone calls and meetings between the Florida schools and the SEC / B10?

or the "casual" discussions likely also happening with ESPN?

I sure would! The lack of real news on realignment makes me suspect there are tons of cloak & dagger machinations going on behind the scenes right now...

I so think so too.
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(08-05-2022 10:07 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 09:59 AM)otown Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 09:16 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 08:56 PM)otown Wrote:  Honestly, B1G went all the ways to California for brand reach and dramatically increased their potential media deal. Why in the world would they not try to set up shop in Florida?

Honestly. If the GoR was not in play, there would be a slug fest between the SEC and B1G for FSU and Miami. Not that SEC necessarily wants them really bad, but because they want to block the B1G in the 3rd most populous state with fertile football recruiting grounds and an avid football fan state.

Which leads me to another crazy thought. If the ACC GoR is so unbreakable for over a decade and the B1G and SEC decide that there is no way around it...... does the B1G hold their nose on academics and take UCF and or USF to break into the state via the back door?

I get it, their academics are nowhere near AAU. However, with everything now being based about media money and brand expansion with regards to matchups and populations........ is it that crazy to think they consider it to break into Florida if FSU and Miami are unable to get out of the GoR?

I'm not wishcasting, just thinking outloud. Just a thought.

There is a huge Midwest population in Florida.

They waited over 20 years after adding Penn St. to get Nebraska. They aren't going to rush and just add any team. Going to Florida would be a strategic move, but adding FSU or Miami also adds value whereas those others would not.

I completely understand your position. However, JRSec has been right on many things over the past year regarding realignment. What the B1G did in the past may be entirely irrelevant to the current climate. His notation that it is no longer about individual school values and more about spreading overall conference brand value.

Obviously FSU and Miami, the ladder being more questionable than the first, certainly would be the best candidates. They are the most well known and have the largest fan following in Florida outside of UF.....although I question the Miami fan base for obvious reasons lol.

However, in the world where the ACC GoR is deemed ironclad and unbreakable for the next generation, is it that far feched to think UCF, USF, or both get a B1G invite. Based on JRSec's presumption that it is not all about individual school value but expanding conference brands? Florida has more midwest transplants than probably the entire population of Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. Florida has over 21 million people in it, which the B1G network would do wonders in. Having Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State etc playing games in Florida annually would be a big boon to recruiting and quite honestly, the teams would love playing in better weather late season lol.

Look, just thinking outloud. Don't want anyone to get very offended. Thinking about JRSec's opinion on all of this. Seeing reports of the B1G getting $300-500 million more just on the UCLA/USC combo alone. We all know, the individual schools are NOT worth that much, even for a USC/UCLA combo. Obviously there are other metrics in play for the B1G with this LA metro move. Why wouldn't the same potentially be in play for UCF/USF?

Individual brands matter more than ever, especially in a streaming world. Zero chance for USF or UCF in the P2. Too many other bigger brands. These are 50 year decisions, so they will wait for the better option. If there were no FSU or Miami ever available, it might be a different answer.

Was Rutgers and Maryland a move for their individual brand? The B1G moved on them. I am still trying to figure out if they even have brands other than their market.
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RE: Dan Patrick Thinks If ND Heads to B1G the SEC Will Go After 3 Major Programs
(08-05-2022 10:25 AM)otown Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 10:07 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 09:59 AM)otown Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 09:16 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 08:56 PM)otown Wrote:  Honestly, B1G went all the ways to California for brand reach and dramatically increased their potential media deal. Why in the world would they not try to set up shop in Florida?

Honestly. If the GoR was not in play, there would be a slug fest between the SEC and B1G for FSU and Miami. Not that SEC necessarily wants them really bad, but because they want to block the B1G in the 3rd most populous state with fertile football recruiting grounds and an avid football fan state.

Which leads me to another crazy thought. If the ACC GoR is so unbreakable for over a decade and the B1G and SEC decide that there is no way around it...... does the B1G hold their nose on academics and take UCF and or USF to break into the state via the back door?

I get it, their academics are nowhere near AAU. However, with everything now being based about media money and brand expansion with regards to matchups and populations........ is it that crazy to think they consider it to break into Florida if FSU and Miami are unable to get out of the GoR?

I'm not wishcasting, just thinking outloud. Just a thought.

There is a huge Midwest population in Florida.

They waited over 20 years after adding Penn St. to get Nebraska. They aren't going to rush and just add any team. Going to Florida would be a strategic move, but adding FSU or Miami also adds value whereas those others would not.

I completely understand your position. However, JRSec has been right on many things over the past year regarding realignment. What the B1G did in the past may be entirely irrelevant to the current climate. His notation that it is no longer about individual school values and more about spreading overall conference brand value.

Obviously FSU and Miami, the ladder being more questionable than the first, certainly would be the best candidates. They are the most well known and have the largest fan following in Florida outside of UF.....although I question the Miami fan base for obvious reasons lol.

However, in the world where the ACC GoR is deemed ironclad and unbreakable for the next generation, is it that far feched to think UCF, USF, or both get a B1G invite. Based on JRSec's presumption that it is not all about individual school value but expanding conference brands? Florida has more midwest transplants than probably the entire population of Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. Florida has over 21 million people in it, which the B1G network would do wonders in. Having Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State etc playing games in Florida annually would be a big boon to recruiting and quite honestly, the teams would love playing in better weather late season lol.

Look, just thinking outloud. Don't want anyone to get very offended. Thinking about JRSec's opinion on all of this. Seeing reports of the B1G getting $300-500 million more just on the UCLA/USC combo alone. We all know, the individual schools are NOT worth that much, even for a USC/UCLA combo. Obviously there are other metrics in play for the B1G with this LA metro move. Why wouldn't the same potentially be in play for UCF/USF?

Individual brands matter more than ever, especially in a streaming world. Zero chance for USF or UCF in the P2. Too many other bigger brands. These are 50 year decisions, so they will wait for the better option. If there were no FSU or Miami ever available, it might be a different answer.

Was Rutgers and Maryland a move for their individual brand? The B1G moved on them. I am still trying to figure out if they even have brands other than their market.

The expansion ten years ago was largely about getting into new markets for purposes of the conference networks. New markets are still a plus, but the focus now appears to be on getting brand-name programs to play against other brand-name programs in games that people will want to watch in large numbers.
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(08-05-2022 10:25 AM)otown Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 10:07 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 09:59 AM)otown Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 09:16 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 08:56 PM)otown Wrote:  Honestly, B1G went all the ways to California for brand reach and dramatically increased their potential media deal. Why in the world would they not try to set up shop in Florida?

Honestly. If the GoR was not in play, there would be a slug fest between the SEC and B1G for FSU and Miami. Not that SEC necessarily wants them really bad, but because they want to block the B1G in the 3rd most populous state with fertile football recruiting grounds and an avid football fan state.

Which leads me to another crazy thought. If the ACC GoR is so unbreakable for over a decade and the B1G and SEC decide that there is no way around it...... does the B1G hold their nose on academics and take UCF and or USF to break into the state via the back door?

I get it, their academics are nowhere near AAU. However, with everything now being based about media money and brand expansion with regards to matchups and populations........ is it that crazy to think they consider it to break into Florida if FSU and Miami are unable to get out of the GoR?

I'm not wishcasting, just thinking outloud. Just a thought.

There is a huge Midwest population in Florida.

They waited over 20 years after adding Penn St. to get Nebraska. They aren't going to rush and just add any team. Going to Florida would be a strategic move, but adding FSU or Miami also adds value whereas those others would not.

I completely understand your position. However, JRSec has been right on many things over the past year regarding realignment. What the B1G did in the past may be entirely irrelevant to the current climate. His notation that it is no longer about individual school values and more about spreading overall conference brand value.

Obviously FSU and Miami, the ladder being more questionable than the first, certainly would be the best candidates. They are the most well known and have the largest fan following in Florida outside of UF.....although I question the Miami fan base for obvious reasons lol.

However, in the world where the ACC GoR is deemed ironclad and unbreakable for the next generation, is it that far feched to think UCF, USF, or both get a B1G invite. Based on JRSec's presumption that it is not all about individual school value but expanding conference brands? Florida has more midwest transplants than probably the entire population of Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. Florida has over 21 million people in it, which the B1G network would do wonders in. Having Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State etc playing games in Florida annually would be a big boon to recruiting and quite honestly, the teams would love playing in better weather late season lol.

Look, just thinking outloud. Don't want anyone to get very offended. Thinking about JRSec's opinion on all of this. Seeing reports of the B1G getting $300-500 million more just on the UCLA/USC combo alone. We all know, the individual schools are NOT worth that much, even for a USC/UCLA combo. Obviously there are other metrics in play for the B1G with this LA metro move. Why wouldn't the same potentially be in play for UCF/USF?

Individual brands matter more than ever, especially in a streaming world. Zero chance for USF or UCF in the P2. Too many other bigger brands. These are 50 year decisions, so they will wait for the better option. If there were no FSU or Miami ever available, it might be a different answer.

Was Rutgers and Maryland a move for their individual brand? The B1G moved on them. I am still trying to figure out if they even have brands other than their market.

No they were not, but the calculus has changed. There is only so much you can wring out of the geographic market towel. Brands with national followings move the needle far more in a streaming world. Plus, as JRsec points out, a possible breakaway of the top brands (or at least a renegotiation of the playoff and basketball tourney TV rights) is worth far more than any one market.

The BIG and SEC will, at some point, likely take some teams that don't "add value" in order to round out numbers, legitimize a breakaway and/or avoid lawsuits. The question is really when that all happens. Until then, you will see the few remaining top brands being coveted and others looking for life rafts.
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(08-05-2022 10:25 AM)otown Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 10:07 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 09:59 AM)otown Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 09:16 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 08:56 PM)otown Wrote:  Honestly, B1G went all the ways to California for brand reach and dramatically increased their potential media deal. Why in the world would they not try to set up shop in Florida?

Honestly. If the GoR was not in play, there would be a slug fest between the SEC and B1G for FSU and Miami. Not that SEC necessarily wants them really bad, but because they want to block the B1G in the 3rd most populous state with fertile football recruiting grounds and an avid football fan state.

Which leads me to another crazy thought. If the ACC GoR is so unbreakable for over a decade and the B1G and SEC decide that there is no way around it...... does the B1G hold their nose on academics and take UCF and or USF to break into the state via the back door?

I get it, their academics are nowhere near AAU. However, with everything now being based about media money and brand expansion with regards to matchups and populations........ is it that crazy to think they consider it to break into Florida if FSU and Miami are unable to get out of the GoR?

I'm not wishcasting, just thinking outloud. Just a thought.

There is a huge Midwest population in Florida.

They waited over 20 years after adding Penn St. to get Nebraska. They aren't going to rush and just add any team. Going to Florida would be a strategic move, but adding FSU or Miami also adds value whereas those others would not.

I completely understand your position. However, JRSec has been right on many things over the past year regarding realignment. What the B1G did in the past may be entirely irrelevant to the current climate. His notation that it is no longer about individual school values and more about spreading overall conference brand value.

Obviously FSU and Miami, the ladder being more questionable than the first, certainly would be the best candidates. They are the most well known and have the largest fan following in Florida outside of UF.....although I question the Miami fan base for obvious reasons lol.

However, in the world where the ACC GoR is deemed ironclad and unbreakable for the next generation, is it that far feched to think UCF, USF, or both get a B1G invite. Based on JRSec's presumption that it is not all about individual school value but expanding conference brands? Florida has more midwest transplants than probably the entire population of Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. Florida has over 21 million people in it, which the B1G network would do wonders in. Having Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State etc playing games in Florida annually would be a big boon to recruiting and quite honestly, the teams would love playing in better weather late season lol.

Look, just thinking outloud. Don't want anyone to get very offended. Thinking about JRSec's opinion on all of this. Seeing reports of the B1G getting $300-500 million more just on the UCLA/USC combo alone. We all know, the individual schools are NOT worth that much, even for a USC/UCLA combo. Obviously there are other metrics in play for the B1G with this LA metro move. Why wouldn't the same potentially be in play for UCF/USF?

Individual brands matter more than ever, especially in a streaming world. Zero chance for USF or UCF in the P2. Too many other bigger brands. These are 50 year decisions, so they will wait for the better option. If there were no FSU or Miami ever available, it might be a different answer.

Was Rutgers and Maryland a move for their individual brand? The B1G moved on them. I am still trying to figure out if they even have brands other than their market.

That was for carriage on the Big 10 network. Plus exposure in those markets.
The conference network model is slowly dying and there are other options for Florida.
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(08-04-2022 10:31 PM)Jericho Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 10:28 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  I think the SEC will add Miami, FSU, Georgia Tech, Clemson, North Carolina, Duke, Virginia, and Oklahoma State to get to their final goal of 24.

Big Ten is Notre Dame for 17 and I’m not sure who the last 7 schools are some combo of Big 12/PAC12/ACC schools

Where's you'd get this magic number of 24 from? Did both the SEC and Big 10 lose some bet that now mandates they both must take 24 schools?


Because if the SEC adds 8 of the biggest brands remaining out there now, what is left for the B1G to add? That would unequivocally put the SEC in the dominate position (which, BTW, they’ve been in for quite a while now anyway). ND would help them, but then who’s left to make up ground like they tried to do with the USC/UCLA attempt. The SEC CAN be patient, but the can also be proactive, just as they’ve been in the past. And in sports, when you can put the competition away now, don’t let them hang around.

I’ve thought 24 was the target number all along. I can see 20 maybe too, but I could also see 26-30, if they are the right schools and it’s done for the reason of preventing Fox/B1G from acquiring any more strength.

I originally thought they’d go after Clemson, Fla St, Miami, and Ok St., but maybe Fla St is the only one to make the first four, along with NC, Virginia and NC St? I can even see the argument to absorb the southern ACC schools en masse, but to me, that leaves too much meat on the bone for the B1G to be able to pick clean. IMHO, If the SEC is going to go “nuclear”, after ND, Ore, and Wash, there doesn’t need to be any real brands left.


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(08-05-2022 10:25 AM)otown Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 10:07 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 09:59 AM)otown Wrote:  
(08-05-2022 09:16 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 08:56 PM)otown Wrote:  Honestly, B1G went all the ways to California for brand reach and dramatically increased their potential media deal. Why in the world would they not try to set up shop in Florida?

Honestly. If the GoR was not in play, there would be a slug fest between the SEC and B1G for FSU and Miami. Not that SEC necessarily wants them really bad, but because they want to block the B1G in the 3rd most populous state with fertile football recruiting grounds and an avid football fan state.

Which leads me to another crazy thought. If the ACC GoR is so unbreakable for over a decade and the B1G and SEC decide that there is no way around it...... does the B1G hold their nose on academics and take UCF and or USF to break into the state via the back door?

I get it, their academics are nowhere near AAU. However, with everything now being based about media money and brand expansion with regards to matchups and populations........ is it that crazy to think they consider it to break into Florida if FSU and Miami are unable to get out of the GoR?

I'm not wishcasting, just thinking outloud. Just a thought.

There is a huge Midwest population in Florida.

They waited over 20 years after adding Penn St. to get Nebraska. They aren't going to rush and just add any team. Going to Florida would be a strategic move, but adding FSU or Miami also adds value whereas those others would not.

I completely understand your position. However, JRSec has been right on many things over the past year regarding realignment. What the B1G did in the past may be entirely irrelevant to the current climate. His notation that it is no longer about individual school values and more about spreading overall conference brand value.

Obviously FSU and Miami, the ladder being more questionable than the first, certainly would be the best candidates. They are the most well known and have the largest fan following in Florida outside of UF.....although I question the Miami fan base for obvious reasons lol.

However, in the world where the ACC GoR is deemed ironclad and unbreakable for the next generation, is it that far feched to think UCF, USF, or both get a B1G invite. Based on JRSec's presumption that it is not all about individual school value but expanding conference brands? Florida has more midwest transplants than probably the entire population of Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. Florida has over 21 million people in it, which the B1G network would do wonders in. Having Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State etc playing games in Florida annually would be a big boon to recruiting and quite honestly, the teams would love playing in better weather late season lol.

Look, just thinking outloud. Don't want anyone to get very offended. Thinking about JRSec's opinion on all of this. Seeing reports of the B1G getting $300-500 million more just on the UCLA/USC combo alone. We all know, the individual schools are NOT worth that much, even for a USC/UCLA combo. Obviously there are other metrics in play for the B1G with this LA metro move. Why wouldn't the same potentially be in play for UCF/USF?

Individual brands matter more than ever, especially in a streaming world. Zero chance for USF or UCF in the P2. Too many other bigger brands. These are 50 year decisions, so they will wait for the better option. If there were no FSU or Miami ever available, it might be a different answer.

Was Rutgers and Maryland a move for their individual brand? The B1G moved on them. I am still trying to figure out if they even have brands other than their market.


Maybe the "brand" for UM and RU is that both are the only universities in their respective states to offer FBS football programs. There is some value in that for high-populated states, as fan allegiances in a state (in this case, New Jersey and Maryland) cannot be split with two FBS programs (since neither state has two) as they can in many other states with two (or even three or more) P5 schools.
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That leaves UCF and USF. Both USF and Miami are not getting invites until they get their own on campus stadium. That means UCF is open to Big 10 or SEC. ESPN would rather have the Orlando market in the SEC.
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(08-05-2022 04:35 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  That leaves UCF and USF. Both USF and Miami are not getting invites until they get their own on campus stadium. That means UCF is open to Big 10 or SEC. ESPN would rather have the Orlando market in the SEC.

On campus stadium is just something you tell schools when you're kindly saying "no" or it is due to such a lack of investment in facilities that it makes future success questionable. In other words, Memphis.

It would not stop an otherwise qualified school from going to ANY conference.

You think a conference would care its current members would play in a NFL stadium near the airport? USF's current setup is ideal for being a perimeter school in the Big12, ACC, BIG, or SEC. I think those conferences are more than okay with Raymond James Stadium over the facility USF will build on campus
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(08-04-2022 07:32 PM)Utgrizfan Wrote:  IF this happens (this is all just theory/speculation as has been the vast majority of rumors) I could potentially/wouldn't mind seeing this:

-ACC adds WVU, CINCY and UCF to replace Miami, FSU and Clemson.
-To regain as much of the Florida market they would add USF. Then could add one of the following schools:
FAU, UCONN, Memphis (ND would probably be impossible to get as a full member if they lose all 3).

Would create a 16 team ACC:

NORTH: BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Cincy
STATES:(OH, PA, MA, NY)

COMMONWEALTH: VA, VT, WV, Louisville
STATES:(VA, WV, KY)

CAROLINAS: UNC, Duke, WF, NC-State
STATES:(NC)

SOUTH: USF, UCF, GT, Memphis
STATES:(FL, GA, TN)

-Big12 backfill their departures with Arizona, ASU, Colorado and Utah. To get to 16 teams they could add:
Oregon, Washington, SDSU

Would create a 16 BIG12:

NORTHWEST: UW, Oregon, Utah, BYU
STATES:(WA, OR, UT)

SOUTHWEST: AZ, SDSU, ASU, TTU
STATES:(AZ, CA, TX)

NORTHEAST: ISU, Colorado, KSU, Kansas
STATES:(IA, CO, KS)

SOUTHEAST: Baylor, TCU, Houston, OSU
STATES:(TX, OK)



If somehow only 4 ACC teams move at once, that makes things complicated and messy. Removing 4 ACC teams means you leave what is left in the ACC as a solid obstructionist voting block. Right now with the ACC whole, there's enough votes to stop obstructionism out of teams with a plausible P2 invite. Remove 4 P2 teams and that blows up the math.
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(08-08-2022 07:28 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 07:32 PM)Utgrizfan Wrote:  IF this happens (this is all just theory/speculation as has been the vast majority of rumors) I could potentially/wouldn't mind seeing this:

-ACC adds WVU, CINCY and UCF to replace Miami, FSU and Clemson.
-To regain as much of the Florida market they would add USF. Then could add one of the following schools:
FAU, UCONN, Memphis (ND would probably be impossible to get as a full member if they lose all 3).

Would create a 16 team ACC:

NORTH: BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Cincy
STATES:(OH, PA, MA, NY)

COMMONWEALTH: VA, VT, WV, Louisville
STATES:(VA, WV, KY)

CAROLINAS: UNC, Duke, WF, NC-State
STATES:(NC)

SOUTH: USF, UCF, GT, Memphis
STATES:(FL, GA, TN)

-Big12 backfill their departures with Arizona, ASU, Colorado and Utah. To get to 16 teams they could add:
Oregon, Washington, SDSU

Would create a 16 BIG12:

NORTHWEST: UW, Oregon, Utah, BYU
STATES:(WA, OR, UT)

SOUTHWEST: AZ, SDSU, ASU, TTU
STATES:(AZ, CA, TX)

NORTHEAST: ISU, Colorado, KSU, Kansas
STATES:(IA, CO, KS)

SOUTHEAST: Baylor, TCU, Houston, OSU
STATES:(TX, OK)



If somehow only 4 ACC teams move at once, that makes things complicated and messy. Removing 4 ACC teams means you leave what is left in the ACC as a solid obstructionist voting block. Right now with the ACC whole, there's enough votes to stop obstructionism out of teams with a plausible P2 invite. Remove 4 P2 teams and that blows up the math.

Can you restate that?

Obstructing what? There’s enough votes to stop P2 hopefuls from obstructing, but if you take away the P2 hopefuls, and their votes, there are not enough votes?
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(08-08-2022 07:48 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  
(08-08-2022 07:28 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 07:32 PM)Utgrizfan Wrote:  IF this happens (this is all just theory/speculation as has been the vast majority of rumors) I could potentially/wouldn't mind seeing this:

-ACC adds WVU, CINCY and UCF to replace Miami, FSU and Clemson.
-To regain as much of the Florida market they would add USF. Then could add one of the following schools:
FAU, UCONN, Memphis (ND would probably be impossible to get as a full member if they lose all 3).

Would create a 16 team ACC:

NORTH: BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Cincy
STATES:(OH, PA, MA, NY)

COMMONWEALTH: VA, VT, WV, Louisville
STATES:(VA, WV, KY)

CAROLINAS: UNC, Duke, WF, NC-State
STATES:(NC)

SOUTH: USF, UCF, GT, Memphis
STATES:(FL, GA, TN)

-Big12 backfill their departures with Arizona, ASU, Colorado and Utah. To get to 16 teams they could add:
Oregon, Washington, SDSU

Would create a 16 BIG12:

NORTHWEST: UW, Oregon, Utah, BYU
STATES:(WA, OR, UT)

SOUTHWEST: AZ, SDSU, ASU, TTU
STATES:(AZ, CA, TX)

NORTHEAST: ISU, Colorado, KSU, Kansas
STATES:(IA, CO, KS)

SOUTHEAST: Baylor, TCU, Houston, OSU
STATES:(TX, OK)



If somehow only 4 ACC teams move at once, that makes things complicated and messy. Removing 4 ACC teams means you leave what is left in the ACC as a solid obstructionist voting block. Right now with the ACC whole, there's enough votes to stop obstructionism out of teams with a plausible P2 invite. Remove 4 P2 teams and that blows up the math.

Can you restate that?

Obstructing what? There’s enough votes to stop P2 hopefuls from obstructing, but if you take away the P2 hopefuls, and their votes, there are not enough votes?

I think what GTS is stressing is that critical mass must move at once. 8 to the SEC and 3-4 to the Big 10 and boom, it's done. Take 4 or less, or even 6 or less and too much legal power remains with those left behind. Leaving too many just creates massive financial loss. And I agree.
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(08-08-2022 07:28 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(08-04-2022 07:32 PM)Utgrizfan Wrote:  IF this happens (this is all just theory/speculation as has been the vast majority of rumors) I could potentially/wouldn't mind seeing this:

-ACC adds WVU, CINCY and UCF to replace Miami, FSU and Clemson.
-To regain as much of the Florida market they would add USF. Then could add one of the following schools:
FAU, UCONN, Memphis (ND would probably be impossible to get as a full member if they lose all 3).

Would create a 16 team ACC:

NORTH: BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Cincy
STATES:(OH, PA, MA, NY)

COMMONWEALTH: VA, VT, WV, Louisville
STATES:(VA, WV, KY)

CAROLINAS: UNC, Duke, WF, NC-State
STATES:(NC)

SOUTH: USF, UCF, GT, Memphis
STATES:(FL, GA, TN)

-Big12 backfill their departures with Arizona, ASU, Colorado and Utah. To get to 16 teams they could add:
Oregon, Washington, SDSU

Would create a 16 BIG12:

NORTHWEST: UW, Oregon, Utah, BYU
STATES:(WA, OR, UT)

SOUTHWEST: AZ, SDSU, ASU, TTU
STATES:(AZ, CA, TX)

NORTHEAST: ISU, Colorado, KSU, Kansas
STATES:(IA, CO, KS)

SOUTHEAST: Baylor, TCU, Houston, OSU
STATES:(TX, OK)



If somehow only 4 ACC teams move at once, that makes things complicated and messy. Removing 4 ACC teams means you leave what is left in the ACC as a solid obstructionist voting block. Right now with the ACC whole, there's enough votes to stop obstructionism out of teams with a plausible P2 invite. Remove 4 P2 teams and that blows up the math.

The left behind 10 would be......as they say "in the money".
Not only would they get to collect the exit fees from the 4 departing schools, but they get to keep their media rights for another 14 years.
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