(02-27-2012 02:34 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 02:39 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  ... which was a pointless thing to do, since i called Cincy a "small-time" program in relation to UK, Indiana, and Ohio State, not Georgetown. If you want to keep whining about me referring to the Bearcats as small-time, then do so in the context that i used the term, not your own stupid and meaningless context.

You are fighting a losign battle here. You will nto get anyone to agree with you that Cinciannit is a "small time" program compared to anybody. They may not be on the level of the "Big Six" programs, but are generally considered to be in that second tier of programs, whcih includes the likes of Louisville, Michigan State, UConn, Syracuse, Ohio State, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma St, etc, the 7-15 programs. They are most certainly in that area by just about any assessment (save for the ESPN one that mysteriously starts with when Duke became hot again in the mid 80's).

Nope, IMO Cincy is clearly in a tier that would encompass say the 25-40 most recognizable college basketball brands. 7-15 is way too high, they are clearly not in the same league with Syracuse, Uconn, Ohio State, etc.

(02-27-2012 05:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 02:34 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 02:39 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  ... which was a pointless thing to do, since i called Cincy a "small-time" program in relation to UK, Indiana, and Ohio State, not Georgetown. If you want to keep whining about me referring to the Bearcats as small-time, then do so in the context that i used the term, not your own stupid and meaningless context.

You are fighting a losign battle here. You will nto get anyone to agree with you that Cinciannit is a "small time" program compared to anybody. They may not be on the level of the "Big Six" programs, but are generally considered to be in that second tier of programs, whcih includes the likes of Louisville, Michigan State, UConn, Syracuse, Ohio State, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma St, etc, the 7-15 programs. They are most certainly in that area by just about any assessment (save for the ESPN one that mysteriously starts with when Duke became hot again in the mid 80's).

Nope, IMO Cincy is clearly in a tier that would encompass say the 25-40 most recognizable college basketball brands. 7-15 is way too high, they are clearly not in the same league with Syracuse, Uconn, Ohio State, etc.

disagree...our tourney recorcd, tourney apperances, all americans, nba players, final fours, etc etc etc say differntly. You keep acting like what happend 50 years ago is worthless...it's called tradition. UC has it. Certainly as much as the schools you list in tier 2.

For the record SI used a metric that took a program snap shot over decades, not just one time period or recent success etc. UC clealry has been good over several decades, has had all americans over several decades, has been to final fours in the 50's, 60's, and 90's, and has shown to be good over a long period of time. have there been a valley or two? sure, but that happens to everybody...IU is just coming out of one. OSU, a school you like to cite was in a bad one for most of the 90's, etc. Fact is UC hoops has been good over long stretches of time and is once again rising....hence the word "storied" is used when describing UC hoops. San Fransico had a hey day...long time ago. But they have done nothing since...so they were not in the Top 20 of SI's list. UC was 10th due to all the reason's I listed. You may not like the article or agree with it...fine. But you are in the minority. It is what it is.

(02-27-2012 05:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 02:34 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 02:39 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  ... which was a pointless thing to do, since i called Cincy a "small-time" program in relation to UK, Indiana, and Ohio State, not Georgetown. If you want to keep whining about me referring to the Bearcats as small-time, then do so in the context that i used the term, not your own stupid and meaningless context.

You are fighting a losign battle here. You will nto get anyone to agree with you that Cinciannit is a "small time" program compared to anybody. They may not be on the level of the "Big Six" programs, but are generally considered to be in that second tier of programs, whcih includes the likes of Louisville, Michigan State, UConn, Syracuse, Ohio State, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma St, etc, the 7-15 programs. They are most certainly in that area by just about any assessment (save for the ESPN one that mysteriously starts with when Duke became hot again in the mid 80's).

Nope, IMO Cincy is clearly in a tier that would encompass say the 25-40 most recognizable college basketball brands. 7-15 is way too high, they are clearly not in the same league with Syracuse, Uconn, Ohio State, etc.

Please name 39 programs that are better than UC's....and why, like, ie, use stats, something you usually have none of.

I'm waiting...I want to see the 39 programs you rate in front of UC...I'm calling you on on this board on this one dude. Go....

You know she won't respond to you, right?

I mean honestly, people. You're letting some random broad in backwoods Louisiana tell you what is and isn't a great basketball program? Jesus. Look, if you need to know which Coach purse to buy your girl at Christmas, I'm sure Quo's the best resource out there in the whole wide world. But this is a sports board. And you guys are falling hook, line, and sinker.

(02-27-2012 05:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Nope, IMO Cincy is clearly in a tier that would encompass say the 25-40 most recognizable college basketball brands. 7-15 is way too high, they are clearly not in the same league with Syracuse, Uconn, Ohio State, etc.

You are out of your ******* mind, and clearly are absolutely clueless about college basketball history. And I don't even like Cincinnati

Ohio State? Really? Some recent success, but largely a forgettable history for the previous 45 years.

So, Bearcats#1's thread about literally the exact same subject matter as what this thread has become (it's an extension of this thread) gets moved to the Smack board and this one stays? What gives?

And yeah, Ohio State a top 7-15 program? Lolz. Maybe if we're measuring by beak-nosed twat coaches that have accomplished precisely nothing in their entire careers. In that case, they're easily top 3!

(02-27-2012 10:47 PM)CD11 Wrote:  So, Bearcats#1's thread about literally the exact same subject matter as what this thread has become (it's an extension of this thread) gets moved to the Smack board and this one stays? What gives?

And yeah, Ohio State a top 7-15 program? Lolz. Maybe if we're measuring by beak-nosed twat coaches that have accomplished precisely nothing in their entire careers. In that case, they're easily top 3!

LOL

(02-27-2012 08:19 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 05:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 02:34 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 02:39 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  ... which was a pointless thing to do, since i called Cincy a "small-time" program in relation to UK, Indiana, and Ohio State, not Georgetown. If you want to keep whining about me referring to the Bearcats as small-time, then do so in the context that i used the term, not your own stupid and meaningless context.

You are fighting a losign battle here. You will nto get anyone to agree with you that Cinciannit is a "small time" program compared to anybody. They may not be on the level of the "Big Six" programs, but are generally considered to be in that second tier of programs, whcih includes the likes of Louisville, Michigan State, UConn, Syracuse, Ohio State, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma St, etc, the 7-15 programs. They are most certainly in that area by just about any assessment (save for the ESPN one that mysteriously starts with when Duke became hot again in the mid 80's).

Nope, IMO Cincy is clearly in a tier that would encompass say the 25-40 most recognizable college basketball brands. 7-15 is way too high, they are clearly not in the same league with Syracuse, Uconn, Ohio State, etc.

disagree...our tourney recorcd, tourney apperances, all americans, nba players, final fours, etc etc etc say differntly. You keep acting like what happend 50 years ago is worthless...it's called tradition. UC has it. Certainly as much as the schools you list in tier 2.

You are totally confused, so let me help you out.

You are confusing "brand" with "accomplishments". I completely agree that from an accomplishments perspective, titles won 50 years ago count as much as Uconn's title last year, and that when you add up all of Cincy's tournament appearances, titles, etc. you guys are around the 10th or so most accomplished basketball program of all time. BUT, that is not the issue here. The issue is "brand", which is why i said you are among the 25th-40th most recognizable college basketball brands, not "most accomplished programs".

And when it comes to branding (program prominence), your titles from 50 years ago absolutely do NOT count nearly as much. Especially since they came just before the UCLA dynasty, which elevated college basketball to a "big time" sport. When you guys were winning, it was not a big time sport. That means that the vast majority of college basketball fans do not even know you won those titles and thus it doesn't help raise your brand recognition these days.

And when it comes to brand - which is what pertains to Ohio State's unwillingness to play you - you are NOT in the same elite top 20 or so category with Ohio State. Your recognition factor is in the 25-40 range. Sorry if that bothers you, but ....

(02-27-2012 10:10 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 05:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 02:34 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 02:39 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  ... which was a pointless thing to do, since i called Cincy a "small-time" program in relation to UK, Indiana, and Ohio State, not Georgetown. If you want to keep whining about me referring to the Bearcats as small-time, then do so in the context that i used the term, not your own stupid and meaningless context.

You are fighting a losign battle here. You will nto get anyone to agree with you that Cinciannit is a "small time" program compared to anybody. They may not be on the level of the "Big Six" programs, but are generally considered to be in that second tier of programs, whcih includes the likes of Louisville, Michigan State, UConn, Syracuse, Ohio State, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma St, etc, the 7-15 programs. They are most certainly in that area by just about any assessment (save for the ESPN one that mysteriously starts with when Duke became hot again in the mid 80's).

Nope, IMO Cincy is clearly in a tier that would encompass say the 25-40 most recognizable college basketball brands. 7-15 is way too high, they are clearly not in the same league with Syracuse, Uconn, Ohio State, etc.

You are out of your ******* mind, and clearly are absolutely. Lidless about college basketball history.

I'm shocked that someone with good knowledge of television would doubt that Cincy's historical basketball achievements have little to do with their recognizabiliity as a basketball brand in today's media environment, and in that environment, they are a 25-40 program, with much less visibility than an Ohio State. I am stunned.

Hope you don't fall and hurt yourself with all the backtracking you're doing.

(02-28-2012 09:12 AM)CD11 Wrote:  Hope you don't fall and hurt yourself with all the backtracking you're doing.

Not surprising that the guy who couldn't comprehend earlier posts in this thread can't comprehend more recent ones as well. But anyone with a functioning brain knows that correcting the comprehension errors of Bearcats fans doesn't equal "backtracking". Quite the opposite.

Hey Quo, how was the Hoya game last night? I was 4th-row mid-court behind the bench. Where were you sitting? I bet you had some great seats, being a lifelong diehard fan and all...

(02-28-2012 12:01 PM)CD11 Wrote:  Hey Quo, how was the Hoya game last night? I was 4th-row mid-court behind the bench. Where were you sitting? I bet you had some great seats, being a lifelong diehard fan and all...

I envy you. I live in Baton Rouge and was at work last night and missed the game on TV. Wish i still lived in the DC area.

Was in Fairfax before Christmas and went to game vs American.

Oh wow, you didn't even watch Senior Night on tv? On Big Monday? ESPN? Battle for the double-bye? Top 20 matchup? Last home game for two of our stars? You didn't even watch it?

(02-28-2012 01:53 PM)CD11 Wrote:  Oh wow, you didn't even watch Senior Night on tv? On Big Monday? ESPN? Battle for the double-bye? Top 20 matchup? Last home game for two of our stars? You didn't even watch it?

What part of "at work" didn't get through?

BTW, did i i screw your wife or take food out of the mouths of your kids in this or some other life? Or are you really far more of a "'Cats" fan than Hoyas fan, and i've bruised your feline feelings? Wait, don't answer, i don't really care.

(02-28-2012 02:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-28-2012 01:53 PM)CD11 Wrote:  Oh wow, you didn't even watch Senior Night on tv? On Big Monday? ESPN? Battle for the double-bye? Top 20 matchup? Last home game for two of our stars? You didn't even watch it?

What part of "at work" didn't get through?

Whoa, grasshopper, no need to be hostile. I honestly thought Mary Kay salesladies didn't have to work nights. My sincerest apologies.

(02-28-2012 08:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 10:10 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 05:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 02:34 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 02:39 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  ... which was a pointless thing to do, since i called Cincy a "small-time" program in relation to UK, Indiana, and Ohio State, not Georgetown. If you want to keep whining about me referring to the Bearcats as small-time, then do so in the context that i used the term, not your own stupid and meaningless context.

You are fighting a losign battle here. You will nto get anyone to agree with you that Cinciannit is a "small time" program compared to anybody. They may not be on the level of the "Big Six" programs, but are generally considered to be in that second tier of programs, whcih includes the likes of Louisville, Michigan State, UConn, Syracuse, Ohio State, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma St, etc, the 7-15 programs. They are most certainly in that area by just about any assessment (save for the ESPN one that mysteriously starts with when Duke became hot again in the mid 80's).

Nope, IMO Cincy is clearly in a tier that would encompass say the 25-40 most recognizable college basketball brands. 7-15 is way too high, they are clearly not in the same league with Syracuse, Uconn, Ohio State, etc.

You are out of your ******* mind, and clearly are absolutely. Lidless about college basketball history.

I'm shocked that someone with good knowledge of television would doubt that Cincy's historical basketball achievements have little to do with their recognizabiliity as a basketball brand in today's media environment, and in that environment, they are a 25-40 program, with much less visibility than an Ohio State. I am stunned.

I'm stunned that you know so little about UC hoops....now go iron my shirt and make me a sandwich\

And while you are doing that please list the 39 programs that are better than UC all time....or just admit you were talking out of your a$$