(02-21-2012 08:47 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  I wrote a letter to the NCAA asking for the value of my ticket price back for the Memphis/UCLA national semifinal that never happened. In it, I explained that the ticket stipulates that I am paying for 2 games, however, since they only provided one game according to their own records then I was entitled to a refund.

I got a form letter back saying basically to go to hell.

That's pretty cool!!

You had a case...as you WENT to those games that the NCAA now says didn't really happen.

I went, too. Wish I had thought to write the NCAA, so I could frame my copy of the go-to-hell letter.

Expect the NCAA to drop the hammer on UCF and slap UNC@Chap on the wrist.

(02-20-2012 06:39 PM)ollin Wrote:  

(02-20-2012 06:25 PM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  

(02-20-2012 06:16 PM)ollin Wrote:  

(02-20-2012 06:04 PM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  Damn, What are the possible penalties that could be handed down from the NCAA? Those are intense self imposed sanctions

Already was on probation with major violations so even UCF expects the NCAA to hit them with harsher penalties. UCF could have reduced their football scholarships or self imposed bowl and basketball tournament bans.

I hope this turns out good for the Knights. It doesn't look good though since you are already on. You think they will do the repeat violator clause or whatever?

I think UCF will get similar sanctions to USC. NCAA frowns upon a system wide problem and when the AD of a school is the focal point of an investigation they won't go easy on them. Plus a repeat violator already on probation. Expect reduction in football scholarships, one to three years bowl ban, and tournament bans.

Our case is weird though, as our AD was the one committing the overwhelming amount of infractions and per the NCAA investigation, only 1 coach was really involved (with Jones getting a slap on the wrist for not knowing better basically). It's not like other cases where the AD is involved, that usually means most of the coaching staff is too.

We'll see though.

(02-21-2012 09:00 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-21-2012 08:47 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  I wrote a letter to the NCAA asking for the value of my ticket price back for the Memphis/UCLA national semifinal that never happened. In it, I explained that the ticket stipulates that I am paying for 2 games, however, since they only provided one game according to their own records then I was entitled to a refund.

I got a form letter back saying basically to go to hell.

That's pretty cool!!

You had a case...as you WENT to those games that the NCAA now says didn't really happen.

Not really. the ticket also says they can cancel the ticket without any cause without refund. I just wrote the letter to see if I would get a response.

Another approach would be to approach the team that currently has the players involved in the mess that caused the game you attended to have not occurred. Ultimately, they're the ones responsible for your predicament, since the NBA is unwilling to work with the NCAA cooperatively on such matters. Perhaps if you took them to court...

(02-21-2012 09:51 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Another approach would be to approach the team that currently has the players involved in the mess that caused the game you attended to have not occurred. Ultimately, they're the ones responsible for your predicament, since the NBA is unwilling to work with the NCAA cooperatively on such matters. Perhaps if you took them to court...

Oh, I dont care that much to put that much time into it. I just wanted to see if theyd reply. BTW, they may say that game never happened but they still use it to make money in commercials and selling the replay rights to it.

(02-21-2012 10:16 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(02-21-2012 09:51 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Another approach would be to approach the team that currently has the players involved in the mess that caused the game you attended to have not occurred. Ultimately, they're the ones responsible for your predicament, since the NBA is unwilling to work with the NCAA cooperatively on such matters. Perhaps if you took them to court...

Oh, I dont care that much to put that much time into it. I just wanted to see if theyd reply. BTW, they may say that game never happened but they still use it to make money in commercials and selling the replay rights to it.

And there it is on NCAA.com's video vault website:

Memphis vs Kansas 2008 National Championship Game
http://vault.ncaa.com/?game=306101217_xx...%3A02%3A01

Appreciate the support during our troubled times everyone. Over on the CUSA board they're clamoring for the death penalty

(02-21-2012 10:40 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-21-2012 10:16 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(02-21-2012 09:51 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Another approach would be to approach the team that currently has the players involved in the mess that caused the game you attended to have not occurred. Ultimately, they're the ones responsible for your predicament, since the NBA is unwilling to work with the NCAA cooperatively on such matters. Perhaps if you took them to court...

Oh, I dont care that much to put that much time into it. I just wanted to see if theyd reply. BTW, they may say that game never happened but they still use it to make money in commercials and selling the replay rights to it.

And there it is on NCAA.com's video vault website:

Memphis vs Kansas 2008 National Championship Game
http://vault.ncaa.com/?game=306101217_xx...%3A02%3A01

Well, the Kansas game actually did happen according to the NCAA since we lost. However, the UCLA game is on there even though it never happened.

I don't think UCF will get losses in FB scholarships or a FB postseason ban because the violations in FB are related to recruiting of players who never played for or attended UCF. No ineligible players for FB means no loss of scholarships or play. UCF's sanctions in FB are pretty harsh and appropriate.

UCF did have ineligible MBB players and I do foresee at least one more lost MBB scholarship (either a 2nd for 2012 or 2013, or an additional loss for 2014), and a possible postseason ban for MBB for one year. I also forsee Keith Tribble, the former AD, getting a 5-year show-cause, and David Kelly, the former Asst. HFBC getting a year or two of show-cause, and two additional years of probation (for 5 total).

Dam that seems like a lot!!!!

(02-21-2012 11:12 AM)MechaKnight Wrote:  Appreciate the support during our troubled times everyone. Over on the CUSA board they're clamoring for the death penalty

Yeah, it's sort of cute really. One particularly vocal member wanted us to remove all of our conference championships and remove every win from the history books in football and basketball.

Because, you know, we actually had an ineligible football player play for us.

UCF will likely receive a harsh punishment from the NCAA and deservedly so after being a repeat offender. Tribble was in over hs head...and it's surprising that Jones and OLeary still have jobs. We will know soon enough but it will likely earn you some favor that Tribble was immediately fired, but at the same time it's so unusual for an athletic director to be the one leading the way in a cheating scandal.

However if UCF gets ht hard then Miami needs to sanctioned back to the stone age based on their allegations. It's going to be interesting to see what the Ncca does over the next 12 months with ongoing investigations at ucf, um, Oregon ...among others.

(02-28-2012 07:40 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  UCF will likely receive a harsh punishment from the NCAA and deservedly so after being a repeat offender. Tribble was in over hs head...and it's surprising that Jones and OLeary still have jobs. We will know soon enough but it will likely earn you some favor that Tribble was immediately fired, but at the same time it's so unusual for an athletic director to be the one leading the way in a cheating scandal.

I don't know of any situations that were like ours, both our internal and the NCAA investigations showed that Tribble was almost single-handedly responsible for these issues with compliance without nearly anyone else being aware at all. We'll see if that gains us leniency, or causes the book thrown at us.

I'll be honest though, as a mid-major (or lesser major, whatever you want to call it), you never want to be facing punishment when other larger universities are in line to be punished for blatantly, and almost nonchalantly, breaking major NCAA rules. We're an easier target with a lot less blowback if the NCAA wants to make a statement, despite the fact the biggest thing we did was commit moderate violations while still on probation.