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She'll come back with the predictable "yeah but what has UC done in the last 20 years/30 years/12 years/4 years/whatever other arbitrary # I decide to pick that'll favor my pathetic argument" and we'll all laugh at her. Sound good?
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I am lazy. I didn't feel like reading throught the whole thread. So my apologies if this post is repetitive of already posted material.

When John Thompson became basketball coach at Georgetown, GU just wanted a respectable bb program that went 50/50 each year instead of being so embarrasingly bad. Thompson wanted to schedule Maryland but Maryland thumbed their nose at GU. When GU got really good under Thompson, then Thompson told Maryland, now willing and wanting to play GU, to buzz off.

DC has Georgetown, Maryland, Howard, American U, GWU in DC plus Navy and George Mason close by. It has a basketball tradition as rich as Philadelphia. But unfortunately the DC schools have never been able to come together and schedule a tournament in DC that would make the town rock and go zonkers.
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(02-21-2012 09:28 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 09:07 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 04:04 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 03:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 02:35 PM)kyucat Wrote:  Why is this a surprise to anyone. There are examples like this everywhere.
Here is a short list maybe everyone else can add to the list.
Ohio State will not play Cincinnati in basketball on any frequest basis.
Kentucky will not play Cincinnati
Indiana will not play Cincy
These games would be great for the region
Cincy has tried to schedule all of these schools which are with in 100 miles of each other. The answer is thanks but no thanks.

Yes, but in your cases it is obvious why those schools won't schedule Cincy. Those are big-time flagship universities that have little to gain by scheduling Cincy. Cincy, otoh, as a smaller-profile program, would gain by being on the same stage with them.

In contrast, Maryland and Georgetown are essentially equals as college basketball programs, and so it makes no sense for either to be petulant about playing the other.

Contradicting yourself in the same post? MD is an ACC flagship school, GTown is a private school.

Cincinnati is a flagship school and the largest employer in SW Ohio. OSU has avoided UC since we beat them in consecutive National Championship games. UC gets more by beating a highly ranked Syracuse, or Louisville team. Bob Knight scheduled UC, we played Purdue OOC. OSU will play UC in football as long as it is in Columbus.

No contradiction. Georgetown is an elite private university, ranked #22 nationally in academics by US News, just behind Notre Dame and just ahead of Carnegie Mellon. We are located just a couple miles from the national seats of power and are well-connected in all branches of the federal government. Maryland, likewise, is a well-regarded public university also located just a few miles from Congress, the White House, etc.

Athletically, our men's basketball is a Big East power with the same historical and contemporary accomplishments as Maryland's. Georgetown and Maryland are very equal as basketball "brand names".

Cincy, otoh, is much smaller-profile than Kentucky, Ohio State, and Indiana. Those schools would clearly the be the marquee names in any matchups between them. Thus, Cincy has far more to gain by playing those games than they do.

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Uh...UC has more final fours and national championships than either Gtown or maryland...

Irrelevant, since the great bulk of your accomplishments came about 50 years ago, when college basketball was far, far smaller a national sport than it is today. Thus, in today's era, your program is clearly a smaller brand-name than the blue-chip flagship schools around you that won't play you.

Bottom line is that while Maryland - Georgetown would be a battle of brand name equals on the basketball court, Kentucky - Cincy would match a major brand name in Kentucky against a clearly smaller brand name in Cincy. Which is why they don't want to play you.
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(02-21-2012 09:30 PM)CD11 Wrote:  Gotta love the fake Georgetown fan calling Cincy "smaller-profile" considering Cincy beats Georgetown in almost every single historical category. All-time wins, Final Fours, Championships, take your pick.

I've never compared Georgetown to Cincy. I've compared Cincy to the schools that the Bearcats fan is complaining refuse to play them. And those schools are clearly higher-profile brand-names than Cincy.

Sorry if your inability to comprehend what I've written and to grasp simple concepts like brand recognition befuddle you, but that's not my fault. 01-wingedeagle
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RE: OT: Maryland cuts off athletic relations with Georgetown
(02-21-2012 03:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 02:35 PM)kyucat Wrote:  Why is this a surprise to anyone. There are examples like this everywhere.
Here is a short list maybe everyone else can add to the list.
Ohio State will not play Cincinnati in basketball on any frequest basis.
Kentucky will not play Cincinnati
Indiana will not play Cincy
These games would be great for the region
Cincy has tried to schedule all of these schools which are with in 100 miles of each other. The answer is thanks but no thanks.

Yes, but in your cases it is obvious why those schools won't schedule Cincy. Those are big-time flagship universities that have little to gain by scheduling Cincy. Cincy, otoh, as a smaller-profile program, would gain by being on the same stage with them.

In contrast, Maryland and Georgetown are essentially equals as college basketball programs, and so it makes no sense for either to be petulant about playing the other.


Quo, let me educate you. Being from Florida, you may not know that the University of Cincinnati is a major, comprehensive university. It has between 35,000 and 42,000 students, depending on whether you count evening and satellite campus attendees. Its law and medical schools are the best in the region, including Ohio State, UK and IU. Its Schools of Architecture and Music are among the top 5-6 in the country. It is one of the top research universities in the country and has among the largest endowments of any school in the Big East. I could go on, but the point is that UC is not little brother to any school regionally.
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(02-21-2012 10:50 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 03:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 02:35 PM)kyucat Wrote:  Why is this a surprise to anyone. There are examples like this everywhere.
Here is a short list maybe everyone else can add to the list.
Ohio State will not play Cincinnati in basketball on any frequest basis.
Kentucky will not play Cincinnati
Indiana will not play Cincy
These games would be great for the region
Cincy has tried to schedule all of these schools which are with in 100 miles of each other. The answer is thanks but no thanks.

Yes, but in your cases it is obvious why those schools won't schedule Cincy. Those are big-time flagship universities that have little to gain by scheduling Cincy. Cincy, otoh, as a smaller-profile program, would gain by being on the same stage with them.

In contrast, Maryland and Georgetown are essentially equals as college basketball programs, and so it makes no sense for either to be petulant about playing the other.


Quo, let me educate you. Being from Florida, you may not know that the University of Cincinnati is a major, comprehensive university. It has between 35,000 and 42,000 students, depending on whether you count evening and satellite campus attendees. Its law and medical schools are the best in the region, including Ohio State, UK and IU. Its Schools of Architecture and Music are among the top 5-6 in the country. It is one of the top research universities in the country and has among the largest endowments of any school in the Big East. I could go on, but the point is that UC is not little brother to any school regionally.

I haven't made any comments about UC's academic status. The issue here is athletic status, and UC is, as i said, clearly a smaller-profile program than are Kentucky, Indiana, or Ohio State. Thus, UC has more to gain by playing those programs than they have in playing you.

And this brand issue also does spill over into academics. E.g., since Kentucky, Indiana, and Ohio State are well known flagships, even people in Florida know or assume they are major, comprehensive universities. But since Cincy has a much smaller profile, your many positive attributes are not nearly as well known by the general national public.
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(02-21-2012 10:22 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  I am lazy. I didn't feel like reading throught the whole thread. So my apologies if this post is repetitive of already posted material.

When John Thompson became basketball coach at Georgetown, GU just wanted a respectable bb program that went 50/50 each year instead of being so embarrasingly bad. Thompson wanted to schedule Maryland but Maryland thumbed their nose at GU. When GU got really good under Thompson, then Thompson told Maryland, now willing and wanting to play GU, to buzz off.

DC has Georgetown, Maryland, Howard, American U, GWU in DC plus Navy and George Mason close by. It has a basketball tradition as rich as Philadelphia. But unfortunately the DC schools have never been able to come together and schedule a tournament in DC that would make the town rock and go zonkers.

As a Philly sports fan I'm always like, "Philly's not the only city with this number of D1 teams--why are we the only ones with a Big 5?" And I guess it's harder to get that many schools who aren't in the same conference to play each other on a regular basis than it looks.

Wasn't there a DC-area pre-conference season invitational a few years back? I seem to remember both Georgetown and Maryland being part of that (though they didn't play each other), along with GWU, Howard and I think American.
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Oh, and I get Ohio State not playing Cincy in football, but it's pure dickishness to not play them in basketball. Or that idiotic MICHIGAN IS OUR ARCHRIVAL IN FOOTBALL THEREFORE THEY MUST BE OUR ARCHRIVAL IN ALL SPORTS thinking is precluding them from having other rivals.
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(02-21-2012 11:12 PM)justinslot Wrote:  Wasn't there a DC-area pre-conference season invitational a few years back? I seem to remember both Georgetown and Maryland being part of that (though they didn't play each other), along with GWU, Howard and I think American.

The only such event I'm aware of took place in 1978, a four team event with Georgetown-Navy and Maryland-American. It was not renewed because of low attendance.
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(02-21-2012 03:42 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  I wouldn't be surprised to see aTm start playing Houston home and home in the near future because I highly doubt any of the Big XII teams will play them anytime soon.

Rumor is all 4 Big 12 Texas schools have blackballed A&M and won't play them.

I know the Baylor Women's BB coach referenced her divorce and then saying she wouldn't sleep with her ex-husband analogy with A&M.

Tech's AD has said he would schedule A&M but it had to be all sports, not football only. I'm in the minority among Tech fans but I personally hope we schedule the Ags in the future. It's a heated rivalry and I think that game would draw huge TV ratings if we did a Thanksgiving game in Arlington.
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(02-22-2012 12:02 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 11:12 PM)justinslot Wrote:  Wasn't there a DC-area pre-conference season invitational a few years back? I seem to remember both Georgetown and Maryland being part of that (though they didn't play each other), along with GWU, Howard and I think American.

The only such event I'm aware of took place in 1978, a four team event with Georgetown-Navy and Maryland-American. It was not renewed because of low attendance.

I must be thinking of this event, specifically the 2005 version which had all DC-area teams (but no Hoyas):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BB%26T_Clas...Tournament
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(02-21-2012 02:44 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  Schools that won't play UH (in state):

Texas (1, 3-game series '00-'02 since the SWC) not played since 2002.
Texas Tech (1, 2 game series '09-'10 since the SWC) last played in 2010.

But at least these guys have played us. Texas will never play us again. Tech may or may not depends on who you talk to. These guys however have not played us since the SWC fell apart.

Texas A&M: Not played since 1995.
Baylor: Not played since 1995.

A&M not playing UH in football is understandable. They probably want a 2 for 1 with the 1 in Houston at Reliant. UH will probably not agree to that.

Tech fulfilled it's 2 game series with UH. Wouldn't mind seeing our 2 schools play again.

After the 2001 UT-UH game in Houston, I understand why UT won't schedule UH.

As to why Baylor hasn't played UH is kinda strange. Baylor has played SMU, Rice and TCU but not UH. Not sure why Baylor won't play UH.
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Cincinnati is one of the best all-time college teams, has been playing the last 8 years in the best conference in the country, and doesn't need games against Ohio State (for example) to gain any more cred. Let OSU keep playing Texas-Pan-American and Virginia Military. No Big East team needs any out-of-conference matchup to give itself credibility.
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(02-21-2012 10:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 09:30 PM)CD11 Wrote:  Gotta love the fake Georgetown fan calling Cincy "smaller-profile" considering Cincy beats Georgetown in almost every single historical category. All-time wins, Final Fours, Championships, take your pick.

I've never compared Georgetown to Cincy.

Never said you did. I compared them myself, and it's not that close. As a USF and Georgetown bandwagoner, you should really know your place. That was my point. Maybe don't call historically great programs "smaller-profile" when your alma mater doesn't even have a profile to begin with.

Maybe this is why you didn't get into Georgetown. You're not very good at logical reasoning.
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(02-22-2012 01:14 AM)billyjack Wrote:  Cincinnati is one of the best all-time college teams, has been playing the last 8 years in the best conference in the country, and doesn't need games against Ohio State (for example) to gain any more cred. Let OSU keep playing Texas-Pan-American and Virginia Military. No Big East team needs any out-of-conference matchup to give itself credibility.

Agree...but unlike in college football, where non-conf teams/regional rivals have maybe just 1 or 2 open dates per year to fill in games...college BASKETBALL teams play approx 14-15 non-conf games each year...which opens the door for many contests vs other regional/local teams (one reason game guarantees are much smaller than those given out in football, plus many teams can't sellout some non-conf games because of poor/low competition)...especially those that are just a short bus ride away (i.e. cheap home-home deals).
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(02-21-2012 09:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 03:13 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 03:11 PM)99Tiger Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 02:44 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  Texas A&M: Not played since 1995.
Baylor: Not played since 1995.

There's a few ways to look at it. A&M probably looks down on poor ol UH...and they don't need you to penetrate the Houston market. They're well represented on their own.

Baylor's interesting. They've been pretty crummy up until they took your coach, so you could make an argument they're avoiding you. Then again, some of those years weren't UH's proudest moments. I wonder if UH even has any interest in playing a team that's been accused of politicking you out of the last Big 12 spot?

We are open to all takers among those "big boys". Willing and ready to prove the naysayers wrong or go down fighting.

That's because you have everything to gain and nothing to lose by playing Texas. Texas, otoh, has nothing to gain but something to lose by playing you. So this posture of yours is not exactly heroic ...

Please......

If I have to spell out the point to you there is no point.

It is over your head.

(Edit could not resist I had to spell it out for you in the next post)
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(02-21-2012 08:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 03:10 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 03:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 02:35 PM)kyucat Wrote:  Why is this a surprise to anyone. There are examples like this everywhere.
Here is a short list maybe everyone else can add to the list.
Ohio State will not play Cincinnati in basketball on any frequest basis.
Kentucky will not play Cincinnati
Indiana will not play Cincy
These games would be great for the region
Cincy has tried to schedule all of these schools which are with in 100 miles of each other. The answer is thanks but no thanks.

Yes, but in your cases it is obvious why those schools won't schedule Cincy. Those are big-time flagship universities that have little to gain by scheduling Cincy. Cincy, otoh, as a smaller-profile program, would gain by being on the same stage with them.

In contrast, Maryland and Georgetown are essentially equals as college basketball programs, and so it makes no sense for either to be petulant about playing the other.

You could use the same argument about the Texas schools and us but come on man!

Well, actually, it is the exact same argument. Why would big-profile schools like Texas and Texas AM want to give Houston a stage on which to shine? If Texas beats Houston, everyone will say "well, big Texas beat up on little Houston, big deal, what did you expect?", but if Houston beats Texas, everyone will say "big bad Texas got their asses handed to them by Houston, ROFL"! .. and then what's more, not only do other big-time programs laugh at Texas a bit, Houston will also gain more prominence and respect. Texas therefore has no incentive to play Houston.

Bottom line: Houston needs Texas, Texas does not need Houston.

It’s just chicken (insert you know what here).

You can say the same thing about quality schools that are not of Texas and A&M's level of "prestige......."

The problem is these "big" schools choose the easier path and at the same time use the argument "who have you played?"

You can't have it both ways.

I will use LaTech for us as a comparable example (UH to UT is similar to LaTech to UH). We played these guys and nearly lost. You know what LaTech is a good program but we would have heard the same BS from misinformed and uneducated college sports fans like yourself.

How do teams become "programs"?

You challenge yourself. You wonder why Texas is crap now? Well they only play a few quality games a year and are always underprepared for them due to the level of competition that they play OOC and in the patsy portion of the Big 12.

Schools like Texas continue to live off their sense of entitlement based on ego and not results. I will give SEC schools a pass due to the insane level of competition in conference. If the Big 12 approached that level of competition then (as much as it would pain me) I would give them pass as well. The thing is you only need to look at how the conference does not want to play a conference championship game so a potential Big 12 national champ contender would not get tripped up by say K-State or a Kansas...

Would we have been better off if we didn't have a championship game in CUSA this year? Of course but props to USM for taking advantage of a team far from focused thanks to our head coach. But you know what any given Saturday even if we were prepared they could have beaten us. They were a GOOD team. I don't feel like CUSA, USM, or having a championship game screwed us. I blame our former coach job shopping but that is a whole other rant I will avoid here.

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(02-22-2012 12:26 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 02:44 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  Schools that won't play UH (in state):

Texas (1, 3-game series '00-'02 since the SWC) not played since 2002.
Texas Tech (1, 2 game series '09-'10 since the SWC) last played in 2010.

But at least these guys have played us. Texas will never play us again. Tech may or may not depends on who you talk to. These guys however have not played us since the SWC fell apart.

Texas A&M: Not played since 1995.
Baylor: Not played since 1995.

A&M not playing UH in football is understandable. They probably want a 2 for 1 with the 1 in Houston at Reliant. UH will probably not agree to that.

Tech fulfilled it's 2 game series with UH. Wouldn't mind seeing our 2 schools play again.

After the 2001 UT-UH game in Houston, I understand why UT won't schedule UH.

As to why Baylor hasn't played UH is kinda strange. Baylor has played SMU, Rice and TCU but not UH. Not sure why Baylor won't play UH.

I would love to play Tech on a regular basis as well.

At least Tech can't claim the same geographic area lame argument.....

Baylor's issues are unkown to us as well. Who know's what their deal is. I want play them so we can stick it to Briles they way he stuck it to us.....

As for Texas what excuse will they use once we have built our new stadium (opening 2014). It will be 40k and current seating at Rice is 47k so we are not talking a huge difference here.
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(02-22-2012 09:44 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  You challenge yourself. You wonder why Texas is crap now? Well they only play a few quality games a year and are always underprepared for them due to the level of competition that they play OOC and in the patsy portion of the Big 12.

Actually, many that actually follow Texas Football have stated that the loss of some key asst coaches...plus more recruiting misses in previous years...plus some poor play (from both coaches and players) is the main reason for their slide over the past 2 years.

Taking a look at their non-conf schedule...not much has changed since they challenged for the #1 spot in 2005, 2008 and 2009.

They played some BAD/POOR teams back then...but with better players/better coaches/better performances...they were 38-2 during those 3 seasons (including 2 national championship game appearances with 1 national title).

Maybe slow down on your rant (and/or maybe just send a PM next time) which might make your long posts slightly more rational.
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(02-22-2012 10:02 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 09:44 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  You challenge yourself. You wonder why Texas is crap now? Well they only play a few quality games a year and are always underprepared for them due to the level of competition that they play OOC and in the patsy portion of the Big 12.

Actually, many that actually follow Texas Football have stated that the loss of some key asst coaches...plus more recruiting misses in previous years...plus some poor play (from both coaches and players) is the main reason for their slide over the past 2 years.

Taking a look at their non-conf schedule...not much has changed since they challenged for the #1 spot in 2005, 2008 and 2009.

They played some BAD/POOR teams back then...but with better players/better coaches/better performances...they were 38-2 during those 3 seasons (including 2 national championship game appearances with 1 national title).

Maybe slow down on your rant (and/or maybe just send a PM next time) which might make your long posts slightly more rational.

A Texas apologist in Florida? Ok.........

Point 1: They had a championship game during that time.

Point 2: They had a stronger overall conference during that time.

I was just using Texas as an example of an overall problem with college football.

As a fan base there are plenty of us (not me if you can believe it) that obsess about UT. I could care less there was a time but I have moved past that I am just well informed as to why things are the way they are.

You have a point about coaches and players but you neglect to point out the level of competition. You could have a champion stallion but if they never raced against the best they would play down to the level of competition. Would they win? Of course but throw in a challenge after you have been "playing" down you are bound to have some serious speed bumps.

There is a reason the SEC is the premier CFB league. They are CONSTANTLY being challenged.
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