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RE: OT: Maryland cuts off athletic relations with Georgetown
(02-22-2012 10:36 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  You have a point about coaches and players but you neglect to point out the level of competition. You could have a champion stallion but if they never raced against the best they would play down to the level of competition. Would they win? Of course but throw in a challenge after you have been "playing" down you are bound to have some serious speed bumps.

Yet teams like Miami and Florida State won MULTIPLE national titles playing in BAD/WEAK overall conferences.

I realize this might be news to you...but sometimes...certain teams are just flat out GOOD/GREAT, regardless if their fellow conference mates are not.
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(02-22-2012 09:44 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  It’s just chicken (insert you know what here).

You can say the same thing about quality schools that are not of Texas and A&M's level of "prestige......."

The problem is these "big" schools choose the easier path and at the same time use the argument "who have you played?"

You can't have it both ways.

I will use LaTech for us as a comparable example (UH to UT is similar to LaTech to UH). We played these guys and nearly lost. You know what LaTech is a good program but we would have heard the same BS from misinformed and uneducated college sports fans like yourself.

How do teams become "programs"?

You challenge yourself. You wonder why Texas is crap now? Well they only play a few quality games a year and are always underprepared for them due to the level of competition that they play OOC and in the patsy portion of the Big 12.

Schools like Texas continue to live off their sense of entitlement based on ego and not results. I will give SEC schools a pass due to the insane level of competition in conference. If the Big 12 approached that level of competition then (as much as it would pain me) I would give them pass as well. The thing is you only need to look at how the conference does not want to play a conference championship game so a potential Big 12 national champ contender would not get tripped up by say K-State or a Kansas...

Would we have been better off if we didn't have a championship game in CUSA this year? Of course but props to USM for taking advantage of a team far from focused thanks to our head coach. But you know what any given Saturday even if we were prepared they could have beaten us. They were a GOOD team. I don't feel like CUSA, USM, or having a championship game screwed us. I blame our former coach job shopping but that is a whole other rant I will avoid here.

Fear is fear no matter how you try and spin it.

I don't think it's fair to lump in Texas as a school that avoids tough schedules. They have a 9-game conference schedule and are playing Ole Miss home-and-home in 2012-13, BYU home-and-home in 2013-14, ND and Cal in 2015-16, and USC and Maryland in 2017-18. It's rare for any BCS conference school with an 8-game conference schedule to schedule 2 non-conference BCS opponents per year, much less when it has a 9-game conference schedule. Sorry - I don't see any issues at all with the Texas non-conference scheduling.
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(02-22-2012 11:01 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I don't think it's fair to lump in Texas as a school that avoids tough schedules. They have a 9-game conference schedule and are playing Ole Miss home-and-home in 2012-13, BYU home-and-home in 2013-14, ND and Cal in 2015-16, and USC and Maryland in 2017-18. It's rare for any BCS conference school with an 8-game conference schedule to schedule 2 non-conference BCS opponents per year, much less when it has a 9-game conference schedule. Sorry - I don't see any issues at all with the Texas non-conference scheduling.

Texas was just an example in response to an earlier comment. It is a greater problem across CFB.

You are correct it is not limited to Texas. Apologies if that seemed to be saying Texas was the only one doing it.

Schools like Texas (not just Texas) tend to avoid schools that would be a challenge (outside of the AQ's). My point still stands to that effect.

Until there is some sort of playoff it is all about perception and other than the possibility that a team could pull an Appalation State there is no reason for schools like Texas to avoid competitive teams outside the umbrella of the BCS. God forbid if that does happen. But what makes (or at least had) CFB fun? Rivalries, games we should not have lost, bitterness in general. If you play the boys club and a bunch of patsy's then you are less or a program for it in my opinion.

Yes yes BYU is not in an AQ but Texas and Co. have been courting them (along with the Big East) for some time now. Texas never put them on the schedule when they were in the WAC or MWC. Now that they are independent some of the sting of a potential loss has worn off.

Perception is reality to them (the voters and schools like Texas).
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(02-22-2012 09:11 AM)CD11 Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 10:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 09:30 PM)CD11 Wrote:  Gotta love the fake Georgetown fan calling Cincy "smaller-profile" considering Cincy beats Georgetown in almost every single historical category. All-time wins, Final Fours, Championships, take your pick.

I've never compared Georgetown to Cincy.

Never said you did. I compared them myself, and it's not that close. As a USF and Georgetown bandwagoner, you should really know your place. That was my point. Maybe don't call historically great programs "smaller-profile" when your alma mater doesn't even have a profile to begin with.

Maybe this is why you didn't get into Georgetown. You're not very good at logical reasoning.

I think what quo is saying is that Georgetown and Maryland are essentially on the same tier as programs, so it's unusual that Georgetown has taken a stance to refuse to play Maryland. In contrast, Kentucky and Indiana are among the bluest of the blue blood basketball programs while Ohio State is the largest athletic department in the country outside of Texas, so the fact that they aren't scheduling Cincinnati isn't that surprising. That doesn't have anything to do with Cincinnati's history or standing. It's just that saying that Kentucky or Indiana won't schedule you in basketball is the same as saying that Notre Dame won't schedule you in football - they're picky because they have the ability to very picky.
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RE: Maryland cuts off athletic relations with Georgetown
(02-22-2012 11:47 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 09:11 AM)CD11 Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 10:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 09:30 PM)CD11 Wrote:  Gotta love the fake Georgetown fan calling Cincy "smaller-profile" considering Cincy beats Georgetown in almost every single historical category. All-time wins, Final Fours, Championships, take your pick.

I've never compared Georgetown to Cincy.

Never said you did. I compared them myself, and it's not that close. As a USF and Georgetown bandwagoner, you should really know your place. That was my point. Maybe don't call historically great programs "smaller-profile" when your alma mater doesn't even have a profile to begin with.

Maybe this is why you didn't get into Georgetown. You're not very good at logical reasoning.

I think what quo is saying is that Georgetown and Maryland are essentially on the same tier as programs, so it's unusual that Georgetown has taken a stance to refuse to play Maryland. In contrast, Kentucky and Indiana are among the bluest of the blue blood basketball programs while Ohio State is the largest athletic department in the country outside of Texas, so the fact that they aren't scheduling Cincinnati isn't that surprising. That doesn't have anything to do with Cincinnati's history or standing. It's just that saying that Kentucky or Indiana won't schedule you in basketball is the same as saying that Notre Dame won't schedule you in football - they're picky because they have the ability to very picky.

Yeah I wasn't talking about any of that at all in any of my posts so I don't know why you quoted me.

Let me just lay it out.

A USF alum/Georgetown bandwagoner calls Cincinnati "smaller-profile." USF barely even has a basketball program. It's the equivalent of a Toledo football fan calling Alabama "smaller-profile." Know your place in the pecking order and don't be disrespectful.
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(02-22-2012 11:25 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  Texas was just an example in response to an earlier comment. It is a greater problem across CFB.

You are correct it is not limited to Texas. Apologies if that seemed to be saying Texas was the only one doing it.

Schools like Texas (not just Texas) tend to avoid schools that would be a challenge (outside of the AQ's). My point still stands to that effect.

Until there is some sort of playoff it is all about perception and other than the possibility that a team could pull an Appalation State there is no reason for schools like Texas to avoid competitive teams outside the umbrella of the BCS. God forbid if that does happen. But what makes (or at least had) CFB fun? Rivalries, games we should not have lost, bitterness in general. If you play the boys club and a bunch of patsy's then you are less or a program for it in my opinion.

Yes yes BYU is not in an AQ but Texas and Co. have been courting them (along with the Big East) for some time now. Texas never put them on the schedule when they were in the WAC or MWC. Now that they are independent some of the sting of a potential loss has worn off.

Perception is reality to them (the voters and schools like Texas).

I think we agree on this, but my view of it is "Hate the game, don't hate the player." Texas and other power conference schools are making logical scheduling decisions based on the current system. If they don't get any credit for beating a C-USA school that's actually competitive but would get docked big-time for losing to such C-USA school, then if you're in the position of, say, the Texas AD, it IS stupid to play them. That's not being "scared" - that's just being smart when you see what gets you to the national championship game. Today's system provides an incentive to a school like Texas to have a "high/low" scheduling approach: play one or two teams that you get a ton of credit for beating (and won't get killed for if you lose to them) and then two other patsies at home that you're guaranteed to crush. Whether it's fair or not, the voters give more credit to one big marquee non-conference win (even if the other 2 or 3 non-conference games were against absolute patsies) than 3 or 4 not-really-marquee wins against more competitive teams. The power schools are simply responding to that (and the voters are really just reflecting the public - they generally think beating a marquee team is more important, too).
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(02-22-2012 12:01 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 11:25 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  Texas was just an example in response to an earlier comment. It is a greater problem across CFB.

You are correct it is not limited to Texas. Apologies if that seemed to be saying Texas was the only one doing it.

Schools like Texas (not just Texas) tend to avoid schools that would be a challenge (outside of the AQ's). My point still stands to that effect.

Until there is some sort of playoff it is all about perception and other than the possibility that a team could pull an Appalation State there is no reason for schools like Texas to avoid competitive teams outside the umbrella of the BCS. God forbid if that does happen. But what makes (or at least had) CFB fun? Rivalries, games we should not have lost, bitterness in general. If you play the boys club and a bunch of patsy's then you are less or a program for it in my opinion.

Yes yes BYU is not in an AQ but Texas and Co. have been courting them (along with the Big East) for some time now. Texas never put them on the schedule when they were in the WAC or MWC. Now that they are independent some of the sting of a potential loss has worn off.

Perception is reality to them (the voters and schools like Texas).

I think we agree on this, but my view of it is "Hate the game, don't hate the player." Texas and other power conference schools are making logical scheduling decisions based on the current system. If they don't get any credit for beating a C-USA school that's actually competitive but would get docked big-time for losing to such C-USA school, then if you're in the position of, say, the Texas AD, it IS stupid to play them. That's not being "scared" - that's just being smart when you see what gets you to the national championship game. Today's system provides an incentive to a school like Texas to have a "high/low" scheduling approach: play one or two teams that you get a ton of credit for beating (and won't get killed for if you lose to them) and then two other patsies at home that you're guaranteed to crush. Whether it's fair or not, the voters give more credit to one big marquee non-conference win (even if the other 2 or 3 non-conference games were against absolute patsies) than 3 or 4 not-really-marquee wins against more competitive teams. The power schools are simply responding to that (and the voters are really just reflecting the public - they generally think beating a marquee team is more important, too).

Houston has been ranked over the past couple years, so how would Texas get "docked" if they lost to them? Same goes for Cincy and Ohio State. In fact, OSU didn't approach UC about canceling the 2012 game in PBS until it was clear that we'd soon be a top-25 fixture.
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(02-22-2012 12:19 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  Houston has been ranked over the past couple years, so how would Texas get "docked" if they lost to them? Same goes for Cincy and Ohio State. In fact, OSU didn't approach UC about canceling the 2012 game in PBS until it was clear that we'd soon be a top-25 fixture.

The system today is the system but lest people forget history there is more to our former SWC conference mates neglect than just the way the deck is stacked today.

If it would happen again or not is up for debate but Houston was a power prior becoming a member of the SWC. Once we joined we more than held our own. We won SWC championships and beat up some of the "big" boys in the process.

They have not forgotten and it is easier to keep someone down than to tempt fate again. I am not saying if we were in the Big 12 we would be dominating Texas and Co. but why take a chance if you are Texas.
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(02-22-2012 12:19 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 12:01 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 11:25 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  Texas was just an example in response to an earlier comment. It is a greater problem across CFB.

You are correct it is not limited to Texas. Apologies if that seemed to be saying Texas was the only one doing it.

Schools like Texas (not just Texas) tend to avoid schools that would be a challenge (outside of the AQ's). My point still stands to that effect.

Until there is some sort of playoff it is all about perception and other than the possibility that a team could pull an Appalation State there is no reason for schools like Texas to avoid competitive teams outside the umbrella of the BCS. God forbid if that does happen. But what makes (or at least had) CFB fun? Rivalries, games we should not have lost, bitterness in general. If you play the boys club and a bunch of patsy's then you are less or a program for it in my opinion.

Yes yes BYU is not in an AQ but Texas and Co. have been courting them (along with the Big East) for some time now. Texas never put them on the schedule when they were in the WAC or MWC. Now that they are independent some of the sting of a potential loss has worn off.

Perception is reality to them (the voters and schools like Texas).

I think we agree on this, but my view of it is "Hate the game, don't hate the player." Texas and other power conference schools are making logical scheduling decisions based on the current system. If they don't get any credit for beating a C-USA school that's actually competitive but would get docked big-time for losing to such C-USA school, then if you're in the position of, say, the Texas AD, it IS stupid to play them. That's not being "scared" - that's just being smart when you see what gets you to the national championship game. Today's system provides an incentive to a school like Texas to have a "high/low" scheduling approach: play one or two teams that you get a ton of credit for beating (and won't get killed for if you lose to them) and then two other patsies at home that you're guaranteed to crush. Whether it's fair or not, the voters give more credit to one big marquee non-conference win (even if the other 2 or 3 non-conference games were against absolute patsies) than 3 or 4 not-really-marquee wins against more competitive teams. The power schools are simply responding to that (and the voters are really just reflecting the public - they generally think beating a marquee team is more important, too).

Houston has been ranked over the past couple years, so how would Texas get "docked" if they lost to them?

Depends...in 2011, if Texas lost to UH, odds are, they wouldn't get docked much...but in 2010, when UH went just 5-7 and if Texas would have lost to them in a season like that (i.e. CUSA team with a below .500 record), yes, the they would have been "docked".
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(02-22-2012 09:11 AM)CD11 Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 10:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 09:30 PM)CD11 Wrote:  Gotta love the fake Georgetown fan calling Cincy "smaller-profile" considering Cincy beats Georgetown in almost every single historical category. All-time wins, Final Fours, Championships, take your pick.

I've never compared Georgetown to Cincy.

Never said you did. I compared them myself....

... which was a pointless thing to do, since i called Cincy a "small-time" program in relation to UK, Indiana, and Ohio State, not Georgetown. If you want to keep whining about me referring to the Bearcats as small-time, then do so in the context that i used the term, not your own stupid and meaningless context. 01-wingedeagle
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(02-22-2012 09:29 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 09:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 03:13 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 03:11 PM)99Tiger Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 02:44 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  Texas A&M: Not played since 1995.
Baylor: Not played since 1995.

There's a few ways to look at it. A&M probably looks down on poor ol UH...and they don't need you to penetrate the Houston market. They're well represented on their own.

Baylor's interesting. They've been pretty crummy up until they took your coach, so you could make an argument they're avoiding you. Then again, some of those years weren't UH's proudest moments. I wonder if UH even has any interest in playing a team that's been accused of politicking you out of the last Big 12 spot?

We are open to all takers among those "big boys". Willing and ready to prove the naysayers wrong or go down fighting.

That's because you have everything to gain and nothing to lose by playing Texas. Texas, otoh, has nothing to gain but something to lose by playing you. So this posture of yours is not exactly heroic ...

Please......

If I have to spell out the point to you there is no point.

It is over your head.

(Edit could not resist I had to spell it out for you in the next post)

... and you badly misspelled it, or else your point is pointless.

My point stands clearly: Texas has little to no incentive to play you, since you are a far smaller-profile program. OTOH, you have LOTS to gain by playing them. Since most people and/or institutions do not like to enter into arrangements where the other guy gets all the possible benefits from the arrangement and there is little or nothing in it for them, it is completely rational that they choose not to play you.

And they have absolutely no moral or ethical obligation to give you a helping hand up the ladder by having an opportunity to capture some of their reflected glory by being on the same stage.

Finally, it is silly for you to call Texas "chicken sh*t" when their overall strength of football schedule is stronger, easily stronger, than yours is. Texas mans up and plays against some of the best teams in the country.

Coog case dismissed.
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(02-22-2012 02:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 09:29 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 09:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 03:13 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 03:11 PM)99Tiger Wrote:  There's a few ways to look at it. A&M probably looks down on poor ol UH...and they don't need you to penetrate the Houston market. They're well represented on their own.

Baylor's interesting. They've been pretty crummy up until they took your coach, so you could make an argument they're avoiding you. Then again, some of those years weren't UH's proudest moments. I wonder if UH even has any interest in playing a team that's been accused of politicking you out of the last Big 12 spot?

We are open to all takers among those "big boys". Willing and ready to prove the naysayers wrong or go down fighting.

That's because you have everything to gain and nothing to lose by playing Texas. Texas, otoh, has nothing to gain but something to lose by playing you. So this posture of yours is not exactly heroic ...

Please......

If I have to spell out the point to you there is no point.

It is over your head.

(Edit could not resist I had to spell it out for you in the next post)

... and you badly misspelled it, or else your point is pointless.

My point stands clearly: Texas has little to no incentive to play you, since you are a far smaller-profile program. OTOH, you have LOTS to gain by playing them. Since most people and/or institutions do not like to enter into arrangements where the other guy gets all the possible benefits from the arrangement and there is little or nothing in it for them, it is completely rational that they choose not to play you.

And they have absolutely no moral or ethical obligation to give you a helping hand up the ladder by having an opportunity to capture some of their reflected glory by being on the same stage.

Finally, it is silly for you to call Texas "chicken sh*t" when their overall strength of football schedule is stronger, easily stronger, than yours is. Texas mans up and plays against some of the best teams in the country.

Coog case dismissed.

Ignorance is bliss I guess.

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Frank got it but it still seems to be over your head. Texas was an example I could have used any number of schools to make my point. I simply used Texas because I am most familiar with this case. The point that needs to be pointed out to the oblivious......

The current landscape we live/play in is not conducive to appealing matchups outside of the BCS/AQ system. There!!! Hope that is plainly spelled out enough for you.
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(02-22-2012 03:13 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 02:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 09:29 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 09:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 03:13 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  We are open to all takers among those "big boys". Willing and ready to prove the naysayers wrong or go down fighting.

That's because you have everything to gain and nothing to lose by playing Texas. Texas, otoh, has nothing to gain but something to lose by playing you. So this posture of yours is not exactly heroic ...

Please......

If I have to spell out the point to you there is no point.

It is over your head.

(Edit could not resist I had to spell it out for you in the next post)

... and you badly misspelled it, or else your point is pointless.

My point stands clearly: Texas has little to no incentive to play you, since you are a far smaller-profile program. OTOH, you have LOTS to gain by playing them. Since most people and/or institutions do not like to enter into arrangements where the other guy gets all the possible benefits from the arrangement and there is little or nothing in it for them, it is completely rational that they choose not to play you.

And they have absolutely no moral or ethical obligation to give you a helping hand up the ladder by having an opportunity to capture some of their reflected glory by being on the same stage.

Finally, it is silly for you to call Texas "chicken sh*t" when their overall strength of football schedule is stronger, easily stronger, than yours is. Texas mans up and plays against some of the best teams in the country.

Coog case dismissed.

Ignorance is bliss I guess.

Oh you don't have to guess, you know damn well from personal experience it is.
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The ACC filed a formal complaint with the SEC and Vanderbilt on Maryland's behalf. Are the Terps cutting all ties to Vandy and the SEC too?
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(02-22-2012 02:39 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 09:11 AM)CD11 Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 10:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 09:30 PM)CD11 Wrote:  Gotta love the fake Georgetown fan calling Cincy "smaller-profile" considering Cincy beats Georgetown in almost every single historical category. All-time wins, Final Fours, Championships, take your pick.

I've never compared Georgetown to Cincy.

Never said you did. I compared them myself....

... which was a pointless thing to do, since i called Cincy a "small-time" program in relation to UK, Indiana, and Ohio State, not Georgetown. If you want to keep whining about me referring to the Bearcats as small-time, then do so in the context that i used the term, not your own stupid and meaningless context. 01-wingedeagle

how are we small time in hoops compared to OSU???? How about vs IU..they JUST GOT GOOD again. You're full of sh

sports illustrated rates us as the 10th best bball program of all time in front of #12 OSU and you call us "small time" vs OSU...you bet. The more you talk the more people realize you are full of sh
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(02-21-2012 03:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 02:35 PM)kyucat Wrote:  Why is this a surprise to anyone. There are examples like this everywhere.
Here is a short list maybe everyone else can add to the list.
Ohio State will not play Cincinnati in basketball on any frequest basis.
Kentucky will not play Cincinnati
Indiana will not play Cincy
These games would be great for the region
Cincy has tried to schedule all of these schools which are with in 100 miles of each other. The answer is thanks but no thanks.

Yes, but in your cases it is obvious why those schools won't schedule Cincy. Those are big-time flagship universities that have little to gain by scheduling Cincy. Cincy, otoh, as a smaller-profile program, would gain by being on the same stage with them.

In contrast, Maryland and Georgetown are essentially equals as college basketball
programs, and so it makes no sense for either to be petulant about playing the other.

Are you really serious.? Indiana, Kentucky big time programs. There is only one reason why they won't play. It's called an ass kicking. Kentucky has not won an SEC championship since 1977 and they cheated to do that. I can not remember the last time Indiana did anything in the Big 10/11/12.
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quo to your thinking then why does UK play WKU and the other little schools around Kentucky? Why does OSU play Akron, BGSU, Clevland St? But they won't play Cincy....
hmmmmmm

Your argument doesn't hold water because IU/UK/OSU all schedule lessor teams in the state/area...just not teams like UC. Reason isn't because they view Akron and Clev St as equals but because they know they will most likely beat them. But when it comes to UC they are scared.

You will say they have nothing to gain...by winning or losing to UC. I would say how can you say you have nothing to gain by beating a Top half Big East team? In what universe?

Also...when UC was ranked Top 10 under Huggins most years they wouldn't play us...once again, scared. How can you have nothing to gain by beating a Top 10 team? That was their argument then only OSU/IU werent ranked and UC was and still they saw "nothing to gain"...LOL

One word: scared


And as far as your perceived brand...UC hoops is rated #10 all time by SI. OSU is #12....UK/IU both on the top 10 in front of UC, but how can you say we are small time when are in the Top 10 and going to be mentioned in the same breath if one is reading that top 10 list? OSU wouldn't be mentioned, they were outside the top 10.

and Gtown and Maryland are not equals....Maryland can't hold Gtown's jock
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RE: Maryland cuts off athletic relations with Georgetown
(02-22-2012 11:20 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 02:39 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-22-2012 09:11 AM)CD11 Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 10:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-21-2012 09:30 PM)CD11 Wrote:  Gotta love the fake Georgetown fan calling Cincy "smaller-profile" considering Cincy beats Georgetown in almost every single historical category. All-time wins, Final Fours, Championships, take your pick.

I've never compared Georgetown to Cincy.

Never said you did. I compared them myself....

... which was a pointless thing to do, since i called Cincy a "small-time" program in relation to UK, Indiana, and Ohio State, not Georgetown. If you want to keep whining about me referring to the Bearcats as small-time, then do so in the context that i used the term, not your own stupid and meaningless context. 01-wingedeagle

how are we small time in hoops compared to OSU???? How about vs IU..they JUST GOT GOOD again. You're full of sh

sports illustrated rates us as the 10th best bball program of all time in front of #12 OSU and you call us "small time" vs OSU...you bet. The more you talk the more people realize you are full of sh

How many times do i have to explain this? The SI ranking is based primarily on accomplishments from a half-century ago, and sadly for Cincy, that was well before college basketball became a big-time sport, so it doesn't help your brand identity much at all, if any,

There is simply no denying that as an athletic program, Cincy is clearly much lower-profile than UK, IU, or OS. And that is why they don't want to play you. You would gain more from those games in terms of building brand visibility than they would.
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(02-23-2012 09:04 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Your argument doesn't hold water because IU/UK/OSU all schedule lessor teams in the state/area...just not teams like UC. Reason isn't because they view Akron and Clev St as equals but because they know they will most likely beat them. But when it comes to UC they are scared.

Big-time teams play small-time teams because nobody wants to play a completely murderous schedule. But, i agree with you about one thing: If you are big-time, you play the smaller-time teams that you perceive to be no threat to beat you. Nobody wants an Appalachian State - Michigan scenario.

So yes, i agree that these schools may schedule Western Kentucky but not Cincy because while they gain nothing by beating WKU, they have little chance of losing to them, while if they play Cincy, they also gain little by beating them, but have a greater chance of losing, so the risk-reward ratio with Cincy is not as favorable as with WKU.
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RE: Maryland cuts off athletic relations with Georgetown
(02-23-2012 09:16 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  How many times do i have to explain this? The SI ranking is based primarily on accomplishments from a half-century ago, and sadly for Cincy, that was well before college basketball became a big-time sport, so it doesn't help your brand identity much at all, if any,

There is simply no denying that as an athletic program, Cincy is clearly much lower-profile than UK, IU, or OS. And that is why they don't want to play you. You would gain more from those games in terms of building brand visibility than they would.

North Carolina played us three times in the 1990's, Indiana, Michigan State and Duke twice. Kentucky even did once (but they've been done with us ever since).

The only time OSU has played us in the last half-century was in 2006 - Mick Cronin's first year, where our program was obviously weakened.
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