(09-11-2025 06:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  So far, they haven't. Hard to defend the actions of a crazy murderer. Even for them.

CLTPirate is certainly trying.

(09-11-2025 07:00 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 06:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  So far, they haven't. Hard to defend the actions of a crazy murderer. Even for them.

CLTPirate is certainly trying.

Well, he wasn't defending the guy's actions, which is what I meant, just arguing that he needed mental health help, and incarceration didn't help in his case, which basically is true.

OTOH, if they had kept him in jail, at least he wouldn't have been able to murder Iryna.

(09-10-2025 06:54 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(09-10-2025 02:49 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(09-10-2025 02:44 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  The issue is mental health and poverty, locking people up for decades for every minor crime will do nothing to stop the reasons for violence and crime.

Also Charlotte is fine without Fox News and every conservative influencers sensationalist narrative of this incident to push their goal of mass incarceration.

Oh, shut up. Seriously, shut! Up! This guy was in the position to kill her because of the soft stance on crime your party has taken, including by certain officials running your city and county, and you support this crap! This is on YOU! Now OWN IT!

Mass incarceration does nothing to put an end to dangerous mentally ill individuals which this country does very little to solve.

The city of Charlotte has also been one of Americas fastest growing cities for decades, it’s not some hell hole. This murder is tragic but it is a product of Americas neglect of the mentally ill and homeless it’s only frontline news because it’s a story that can be easily twisted to fit the conservative agenda.

I agree but we need to be able to and use involuntary institutionalization more frequently. Since you live here you know there is pressure to remove this judge, although the mayor just got re-elected.

I don't know what levers the judge had to pull, since the latest arrest was for a very light misdemeanor (misusing 911) but a homeless diagnosed schizophrenic with no guardian should NEVER be given a written order to appear. They should be institutionalized and medicated.

(09-11-2025 07:04 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 07:00 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 06:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  So far, they haven't. Hard to defend the actions of a crazy murderer. Even for them.

CLTPirate is certainly trying.

Well, he wasn't defending the guy's actions, which is what I meant, just arguing that he needed mental health help, and incarceration didn't help in his case, which basically is true.

OTOH, if they had kept him in jail, at least he wouldn't have been able to murder Iryna.

EXACTLY

It is far from racist to state "all lives matter".

I am done worrying that some may take offense. It is my little act of defiance in the face of evil.

We’ve done the social experiment of avoiding mass incarceration for the past decade and it has failed. This is not the first time, we’ve don’t through this before and it’s always had the same result- we last saw this in the late 60s and 1970s and it failed then also. There are just a small segment of society that needs to be locked up to protect the rest of us (and to protect them from themselves).

(09-11-2025 07:22 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 07:04 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 07:00 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 06:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  So far, they haven't. Hard to defend the actions of a crazy murderer. Even for them.

CLTPirate is certainly trying.

Well, he wasn't defending the guy's actions, which is what I meant, just arguing that he needed mental health help, and incarceration didn't help in his case, which basically is true.

OTOH, if they had kept him in jail, at least he wouldn't have been able to murder Iryna.

EXACTLY

+1

(09-11-2025 07:08 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(09-10-2025 06:54 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(09-10-2025 02:49 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(09-10-2025 02:44 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  The issue is mental health and poverty, locking people up for decades for every minor crime will do nothing to stop the reasons for violence and crime.

Also Charlotte is fine without Fox News and every conservative influencers sensationalist narrative of this incident to push their goal of mass incarceration.

Oh, shut up. Seriously, shut! Up! This guy was in the position to kill her because of the soft stance on crime your party has taken, including by certain officials running your city and county, and you support this crap! This is on YOU! Now OWN IT!

Mass incarceration does nothing to put an end to dangerous mentally ill individuals which this country does very little to solve.

The city of Charlotte has also been one of Americas fastest growing cities for decades, it’s not some hell hole. This murder is tragic but it is a product of Americas neglect of the mentally ill and homeless it’s only frontline news because it’s a story that can be easily twisted to fit the conservative agenda.

I agree but we need to be able to and use involuntary institutionalization more frequently. Since you live here you know there is pressure to remove this judge, although the mayor just got re-elected.

I don't know what levers the judge had to pull, since the latest arrest was for a very light misdemeanor (misusing 911) but a homeless diagnosed schizophrenic with no guardian should NEVER be given a written order to appear. They should be institutionalized and medicated.

So we should let Nazi dictator Trump decide who is mentally ill to carry a firearm or be institutionalized?

(09-11-2025 08:23 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 07:08 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(09-10-2025 06:54 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(09-10-2025 02:49 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(09-10-2025 02:44 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  The issue is mental health and poverty, locking people up for decades for every minor crime will do nothing to stop the reasons for violence and crime.

Also Charlotte is fine without Fox News and every conservative influencers sensationalist narrative of this incident to push their goal of mass incarceration.

Oh, shut up. Seriously, shut! Up! This guy was in the position to kill her because of the soft stance on crime your party has taken, including by certain officials running your city and county, and you support this crap! This is on YOU! Now OWN IT!

Mass incarceration does nothing to put an end to dangerous mentally ill individuals which this country does very little to solve.

The city of Charlotte has also been one of Americas fastest growing cities for decades, it’s not some hell hole. This murder is tragic but it is a product of Americas neglect of the mentally ill and homeless it’s only frontline news because it’s a story that can be easily twisted to fit the conservative agenda.

I agree but we need to be able to and use involuntary institutionalization more frequently. Since you live here you know there is pressure to remove this judge, although the mayor just got re-elected.

I don't know what levers the judge had to pull, since the latest arrest was for a very light misdemeanor (misusing 911) but a homeless diagnosed schizophrenic with no guardian should NEVER be given a written order to appear. They should be institutionalized and medicated.

So we should let Nazi dictator Trump decide who is mentally ill to carry a firearm or be institutionalized?

Please refrain from heated rhetoric which can lead to political violence.

(09-11-2025 08:23 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 07:08 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(09-10-2025 06:54 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(09-10-2025 02:49 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(09-10-2025 02:44 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  The issue is mental health and poverty, locking people up for decades for every minor crime will do nothing to stop the reasons for violence and crime.

Also Charlotte is fine without Fox News and every conservative influencers sensationalist narrative of this incident to push their goal of mass incarceration.

Oh, shut up. Seriously, shut! Up! This guy was in the position to kill her because of the soft stance on crime your party has taken, including by certain officials running your city and county, and you support this crap! This is on YOU! Now OWN IT!

Mass incarceration does nothing to put an end to dangerous mentally ill individuals which this country does very little to solve.

The city of Charlotte has also been one of Americas fastest growing cities for decades, it’s not some hell hole. This murder is tragic but it is a product of Americas neglect of the mentally ill and homeless it’s only frontline news because it’s a story that can be easily twisted to fit the conservative agenda.

I agree but we need to be able to and use involuntary institutionalization more frequently. Since you live here you know there is pressure to remove this judge, although the mayor just got re-elected.

I don't know what levers the judge had to pull, since the latest arrest was for a very light misdemeanor (misusing 911) but a homeless diagnosed schizophrenic with no guardian should NEVER be given a written order to appear. They should be institutionalized and medicated.

So we should let Nazi dictator Trump decide who is mentally ill to carry a firearm or be institutionalized?

hopefully we can rely on the party of small government and states rights to keep that with state legislatures (where it currently stands) and local authorities to best handle.

Away from Cheetoh, Thiel and Putin, where it doesn't belong.

(09-11-2025 08:35 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  hopefully we can rely on the party of small government and states rights to keep that with state legislatures (where it currently stands) and local authorities to best handle.

"the party of small government and states rights" is NOT the Democrat party. For now.

It's what the Republican party is, at the moment, but they will change.

People who don't recognize the people in charge are mostly scum regardless of party affiliation are deaf, dumb, and blind.

(09-11-2025 08:40 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 08:35 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  hopefully we can rely on the party of small government and states rights to keep that with state legislatures (where it currently stands) and local authorities to best handle.

"the party of small government and states rights" is NOT the Democrat party. For now.

It's what the Republican party is, at the moment, but they will change.

People who don't recognize the people in charge are mostly scum regardless of party affiliation are deaf, dumb, and blind.

I wish that was the current republican party, I would still be voting republican. The current republican party is vastly increasing the size and scope of the government, and trampling states rights.

Oh my gosh how deluded can you be. The Democrat Party you're talking about died a long time ago.

(09-11-2025 08:50 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Oh my gosh how deluded can you be. The Democrat Party you're talking about died a long time ago.

I was never referencing the current democratic party. The post alluded to trump and I was (sadly) joking that the former party of small government and states rights (again, the republican party) could leave the power of involuntary institutionalization where it currently sits- with individual states and local authorities.

(09-11-2025 08:35 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 08:23 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 07:08 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(09-10-2025 06:54 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(09-10-2025 02:49 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Oh, shut up. Seriously, shut! Up! This guy was in the position to kill her because of the soft stance on crime your party has taken, including by certain officials running your city and county, and you support this crap! This is on YOU! Now OWN IT!

Mass incarceration does nothing to put an end to dangerous mentally ill individuals which this country does very little to solve.

The city of Charlotte has also been one of Americas fastest growing cities for decades, it’s not some hell hole. This murder is tragic but it is a product of Americas neglect of the mentally ill and homeless it’s only frontline news because it’s a story that can be easily twisted to fit the conservative agenda.

I agree but we need to be able to and use involuntary institutionalization more frequently. Since you live here you know there is pressure to remove this judge, although the mayor just got re-elected.

I don't know what levers the judge had to pull, since the latest arrest was for a very light misdemeanor (misusing 911) but a homeless diagnosed schizophrenic with no guardian should NEVER be given a written order to appear. They should be institutionalized and medicated.

So we should let Nazi dictator Trump decide who is mentally ill to carry a firearm or be institutionalized?

hopefully we can rely on the party of small government and states rights to keep that with state legislatures (where it currently stands) and local authorities to best handle.

Away from Cheetoh, Thiel and Putin, where it doesn't belong.

So leave it up to the states, but they haven’t fixed the problem at all.

You don’t sound serious about actually fixing the problem.

(09-11-2025 09:02 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 08:50 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Oh my gosh how deluded can you be. The Democrat Party you're talking about died a long time ago.

I was never referencing the current democratic party. The post alluded to trump and I was (sadly) joking that the former party of small government and states rights (again, the republican party) could leave the power of involuntary institutionalization where it currently sits- with individual states and local authorities.

What objective measures are you going to use to declare someone clinically insane?

What if Alabama declares every trans person to have a mental illness and put them on a watch list?

What if California tracks people’s social media and declares than anyone espousing right wing views is at risk and mentally insane?

You need some sort of agreed upon objective measure that isn’t politically motivated state by state.

(09-11-2025 07:00 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 06:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  So far, they haven't. Hard to defend the actions of a crazy murderer. Even for them.

CLTPirate is certainly trying.

Other than my two years after community college at ECU, I have lived in Charlotte my whole life and probably will stay here my whole life. I care a lot about this city its helped raised me and plays a part in who I am. Iryna's death is horrifying and disturbing; the person who did it should spend the rest of their life in prison. People were discussing how horrible it was locally well before any footage came out or it became national news.

My point in the thread is what is the solution to reducing horrifying crimes like this as much as we can. Many conservatives and some center-left liberals will argue we need mass incarercation, to lock up all the crazies and criminals to get them off our streets. But to others, there are more systemic issues that create these sorts of people, mainly poverty and untreated mental illnesses. This leads to the US having crime and a massive homeless population in it's cities. It is my opinion that you can lock up as many people as you want, but until we fix those systemic issues, these problems will persist.

Decarlos Brown is a deplorable human being and should be locked up for the rest of his life. Clearly, by the massive number of times he was arrested beforehand, there was a sign that this guy was a problem, and someone needed to step in. However, the city government failed to put serious programs in place to address someone like him.

Sadly for both of sides, those who wanna lock all the crazies up right now and those who believe in building programs addressing these systemic issues, nothing will change because Charlotte just had it's primaries and for the most part the exact same people got elected again and nobody is challenging them in November.

(09-11-2025 09:39 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 07:00 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 06:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  So far, they haven't. Hard to defend the actions of a crazy murderer. Even for them.

CLTPirate is certainly trying.

Other than my two years after community college at ECU, I have lived in Charlotte my whole life and probably will stay here my whole life. I care a lot about this city its helped raised me and plays a part in who I am. Iryna's death is horrifying and disturbing; the person who did it should spend the rest of their life in prison. People were discussing how horrible it was locally well before any footage came out or it became national news.

My point in the thread is what is the solution to reducing horrifying crimes like this as much as we can. Many conservatives and some center-left liberals will argue we need mass incarercation, to lock up all the crazies and criminals to get them off our streets. But to others, there are more systemic issues that create these sorts of people, mainly poverty and untreated mental illnesses. This leads to the US having crime and a massive homeless population in it's cities. It is my opinion that you can lock up as many people as you want, but until we fix those systemic issues, these problems will persist.

Decarlos Brown is a deplorable human being and should be locked up for the rest of his life. Clearly, by the massive number of times he was arrested beforehand, there was a sign that this guy was a problem, and someone needed to step in. However, the city government failed to put serious programs in place to address someone like him.

Sadly for both of sides, those who wanna lock all the crazies up right now and those who believe in building programs addressing these systemic issues, nothing will change because Charlotte just had it's primaries and for the most part the exact same people got elected again and nobody is challenging them in November.

Until democrat leaders in these urban centers are held accountable for their lack of action in regards to cleaning up their cities, then the voters & leaders deserve blame.

Stop electing judges that focus more on equity instead of interpreting the law.

Stop electing the same people who don’t prioritize the people they represent.

There aren’t enough republicans in cities to enact change, that comes from you and your voting base. It’s up to you.

(09-11-2025 09:39 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 09:02 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(09-11-2025 08:50 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Oh my gosh how deluded can you be. The Democrat Party you're talking about died a long time ago.

I was never referencing the current democratic party. The post alluded to trump and I was (sadly) joking that the former party of small government and states rights (again, the republican party) could leave the power of involuntary institutionalization where it currently sits- with individual states and local authorities.

What objective measures are you going to use to declare someone clinically insane?

What if Alabama declares every trans person to have a mental illness and put them on a watch list?

What if California tracks people’s social media and declares than anyone espousing right wing views is at risk and mentally insane?

You need some sort of agreed upon objective measure that isn’t politically motivated state by state.

Dude there’s laws on the books for how to involuntarily institutionalize people. You’re made up scenarios don’t apply. Read what it takes in North Carolina.

People with a violent history who are diagnosed with schizophrenia and homeless with no guardian are textbook “threat to self or others”

(09-11-2025 07:42 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  It is far from racist to state "all lives matter".

I am done worrying that some may take offense. It is my little act of defiance in the face of evil.

No, not all lives matter. You murder someone in cold calculating evil and your life should instantly not matter at all.

Carry a weapon. Kill these monsters.