The tried-and-true Lefties don't believe facts. They will just say, "That isn't true", because their overlords didn't tell them. That is a real thing. I know a guy like that.

(06-24-2025 03:26 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(06-24-2025 03:23 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-24-2025 01:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2025 01:50 PM)VA49er Wrote:  It made all the sense in the world to break it.

It made Z E R O sense.

If it's not perfect or trump didn't like it, then renegotiate a new one. He's the greatest negotiator of all time, right?

Killing it outright with no immediate replacement made NO sense.

We know trump. He likely killed it simply because Obama made it. He's that childish and vindictive.

In July 2019, Iran announced that it had breached the limit set on its stockpile of low-enriched uranium, which the IAEA confirmed. On 5 January 2020, Iran declared that it would no longer abide by the deal's limitations but would continue to coordinate with IAEA.

Why be involved in a deal that Iran had already admitted it would not abide by?

Now go look at the date Trump pulled out, and compare it to the dates Iran violated it. I’ll wait while the hamster wheels turn.

He pulled out of the deal because it was a bad deal. Heck, I was saying that it was a bad deal when Obama made it. (It wasn't on here. It was on another message board forum.) Why can't you acknowledge that it was a bad deal? Is it beneath you or something? Are you just too darn stubborn to give Trump or the America First movement any modicum of credit?

And you think we need mental help. lol

(06-24-2025 01:56 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-24-2025 01:50 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-24-2025 01:44 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(06-24-2025 01:07 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(06-24-2025 12:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

How much damage did Obama and Biden do to the Iranian nuclear program?

Oh, that's right. They helped them build it with a fake deal and billions in cash.

Do you ever think thru anything you post?

He got them to give up 2/3 of their centrifuges, export 25000 pounds of enriched uranium, and agree to allow international inspection to ensure they weren’t running a weapons program.

Trump broke that agreement in his first term.

The Stuxnet cyber attack (a self replicating worm specifically written to attack Iranian centrifuges) did massive damage to Iran during the Obama presidency. While no nation state has claimed responsibility it is basically unofficially leaked that it was a joint US / Israel operation. It destroyed around 1000 centrifuges by infecting their SCADA control network and driving them to physical damage.

lol, do you actually think Iran did any of that? Giving a rogue nation billions upon billions of dollars has to be one of worst decisions ever. Why have an agreement that no one follows? It made all the sense in the world to break it.

The leftists here are at an all time low today.

Israel and the US has all but wiped out Hamas, Hezbollah, nearly all of Irans top nuclear scientists, most of their military capability, most of their top military leaders and totally squashed their nuclear program.

And here they are angry and bitching and whining about it with whatever retarded laughable point someone else can muster for them.

How delicious it all is to behold. They are the biggest, most pathetic anti-American lowlifes and losers of all time.

Who voted for that? That's why we have terrorist enemies. It's up to Israeli military to deal with that. We arm them to the max. The ******* thing is the Clean Break PNAC garbage from the 90s. It's all Israel First.

What the stupid Lefties either don't know or won't admit is the Iran Nuclear deal (JCPOA) was still in place. The US just got out of it. The problem is none of the other countries, especially the EU did anything to enforce it. Why should the US join agreements if we are the only ones to enforce them?

(06-24-2025 04:11 PM)Kyle Mack Wrote:  Who voted for that? That's why we have terrorist enemies. It's up to Israeli military to deal with that. We arm them to the max. The ******* thing is the Clean Break PNAC garbage from the 90s. It's all Israel First.

Israel did take care of 95% of this. We do support them but they also have most of the top scientists in the world, one of the best militaries in the world and some of the best military strategists the world. They are able to mass produce weapons, missiles, bombs some of the most cutting edge high tech systems and technologies in the world and arm themselves quite well also and have done so.

Who voted to be allies and support Israel? The American people have been voting for that for decades and polls show we continue to support them. Trump was clear in his campaign that he supported Israel and would not allow Iran to go nuclear. Everyone who voted for him knew this.

For you to be bitching about this this week of all times, right when the worlds leading state sponsor of terror has been brought to their knees almost entirely by Israel is asinine. What has transpired the last 2 weeks (and everything since the Oct 8 terrorist attack) has been a tremendous win for freedom, peace and the western world in every way possible.

Anyone complaining and bitching about this right now is suffering from a serious mental disorder.

(06-24-2025 03:31 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(06-24-2025 03:26 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(06-24-2025 03:23 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-24-2025 01:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2025 01:50 PM)VA49er Wrote:  It made all the sense in the world to break it.

It made Z E R O sense.

If it's not perfect or trump didn't like it, then renegotiate a new one. He's the greatest negotiator of all time, right?

Killing it outright with no immediate replacement made NO sense.

We know trump. He likely killed it simply because Obama made it. He's that childish and vindictive.

In July 2019, Iran announced that it had breached the limit set on its stockpile of low-enriched uranium, which the IAEA confirmed. On 5 January 2020, Iran declared that it would no longer abide by the deal's limitations but would continue to coordinate with IAEA.

Why be involved in a deal that Iran had already admitted it would not abide by?

Now go look at the date Trump pulled out, and compare it to the dates Iran violated it. I’ll wait while the hamster wheels turn.

He pulled out of the deal because it was a bad deal. Heck, I was saying that it was a bad deal when Obama made it. (It wasn't on here. It was on another message board forum.) Why can't you acknowledge that it was a bad deal? Is it beneath you or something? Are you just too darn stubborn to give Trump or the America First movement any modicum of credit?

And you think we need mental help. lol

Well **** then, it must have been a bad deal since you said so...on another message board!

Again, my point is only that if it were a bad deal, then trump should have made it better or replaced it with something better...as he claimed he would, not just kill it for no likely reason other than Obama made it.

So....NOT obliterated? No way trump could have been wrong...or lying...or spouting off before he knew the facts. He probably saw a big explosion on TV and turned in for the night.

Quote:But sources familiar with the Pentagon's intelligence assessment say Iran's centrifuges are largely "intact" and the impact was limited to above-ground structures.

Entrances to two nuclear facilities were sealed off, and some infrastructure was destroyed or damaged, but much of the facilities, which are deep underground, escaped the brunt of the blasts.

The anonymous sources told US media it is estimated that the attack only set Iran back "a few months, tops", and that any resumption of its nuclear programme may be based on how long it takes the country to dig out and make repairs.

Sources also confirmed to CBS that some of Iran's enriched uranium stockpile was moved before the strikes, according to the intelligence assessment.

The US 30,000lb (14,000kg) Massive Ordnance Penetrator bomb was thought to be the only weapon capable of destroying Iran's underground enrichment facilities.

US strikes did not destroy Iran nuclear programme, says intelligence assessment

Can't wait to see who gets fired for likely telling the truth...LOL

The IAEA is saying it was most likely destroyed. Also, the story you posted from the BBC is based on info from anonymous sources which hasn't been corroborated.

But hey, let's denigrate our military, shall we, Tom.

And yes, I said it was a bad deal on another message board forum. I wasn't posting in the Spin Room when Obama made the deal. Otherwise, I would've said it here. Not that you care, because anything to make the left look good, right? Right.

Your words don't carry much weight around here.

(06-25-2025 06:31 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So....NOT obliterated? No way trump could have been wrong...or lying...or spouting off before he knew the facts. He probably saw a big explosion on TV and turned in for the night.

Quote:But sources familiar with the Pentagon's intelligence assessment say Iran's centrifuges are largely "intact" and the impact was limited to above-ground structures.

Entrances to two nuclear facilities were sealed off, and some infrastructure was destroyed or damaged, but much of the facilities, which are deep underground, escaped the brunt of the blasts.

The anonymous sources told US media it is estimated that the attack only set Iran back "a few months, tops", and that any resumption of its nuclear programme may be based on how long it takes the country to dig out and make repairs.

Sources also confirmed to CBS that some of Iran's enriched uranium stockpile was moved before the strikes, according to the intelligence assessment.

The US 30,000lb (14,000kg) Massive Ordnance Penetrator bomb was thought to be the only weapon capable of destroying Iran's underground enrichment facilities.

US strikes did not destroy Iran nuclear programme, says intelligence assessment

Can't wait to see who gets fired for likely telling the truth...LOL

Gee, Tom, you sound gleeful that maybe the strike wasn't as effective as hoped.

Are you pulling for the Iranians over Trump?

Btw, that supposed negative assessment came from "Pentagon intel," and Hegseth himself said yesterday that the sites were "obliterated." And he watched in real time.

Do you think the "Pentagon" somehow had boots on the ground since then to counteract his lyin' eyes?

The Israelis have already said they will go in and finish the job if the enrichment program isn’t destroyed.

Sorry Leftists….

Won’t be any American boots on the ground so you and your death cult won’t get to celebrate the loss of American lives as a way to “Get Trump”.

It’s pathetic the little leftists show up here with their pom poms to celebrate whatever negative energy they can suck out of every situation. How miserable of a human being do you have to be to be a Democrat Marxist Socialist Communist.

It is disturbing reading some Dem's root for failure instead of watchfully waiting for the full damage assessment.

The bottom line is we cannot allow Iran to have nuclear weapons if it is within our power to stop it. Pallets full of cash bribing Iran does not work. Along with other measures (diplomacy is alway the first option), it may mean follow up strikes at a time of our choosing on the nuclear chain links.

(06-24-2025 03:26 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(06-24-2025 03:23 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-24-2025 01:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2025 01:50 PM)VA49er Wrote:  It made all the sense in the world to break it.

It made Z E R O sense.

If it's not perfect or trump didn't like it, then renegotiate a new one. He's the greatest negotiator of all time, right?

Killing it outright with no immediate replacement made NO sense.

We know trump. He likely killed it simply because Obama made it. He's that childish and vindictive.

In July 2019, Iran announced that it had breached the limit set on its stockpile of low-enriched uranium, which the IAEA confirmed. On 5 January 2020, Iran declared that it would no longer abide by the deal's limitations but would continue to coordinate with IAEA.

Why be involved in a deal that Iran had already admitted it would not abide by?

Now go look at the date Trump pulled out, and compare it to the dates Iran violated it. I’ll wait while the hamster wheels turn.

The dates are irrelevant. It was a bad deal from the beginning.

These are quotes from Tom's link (which is the BBC):

1. The White House said the "flat-out wrong" assessment was leaked by "a low-level loser in the intelligence community".

2. The US has 18 intelligence agencies, which sometimes produce conflicting reports based on their mission and area of expertise. For example, the American intelligence community is still not in agreement over the origins of Covid-19.

3. It is possible future intelligence reports will include more information showing a different level of damage to the facilities.

According to CBS, officials familiar with the report warned it was an early assessment that could change as more information becomes available about the sites. It is also not clear at what confidence level the findings included in the report were made.

4. David Albright, president of the Institute for Science and International Security and an expert on secret nuclear weapons development, said the damage Iran sustained by the US attacks will mean "it will take significant time, investment and energy" for it to restore its nuclear programme.

In a post on X, Albright added that Iran is "under intense scrutiny and observation from the United States and Israel", and it risks further attacks if it tries to rebuild.

5. A report in Saudi news outlet Al Hadath, citing an unnamed Israeli source, said that Israel believes most of Iran's enriched uranium is buried under the rubble.

(06-25-2025 06:53 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The Israelis have already said they will go in and finish the job if the enrichment program isn’t destroyed.

Sorry Leftists….

Won’t be any American boots on the ground so you and your death cult won’t get to celebrate the loss of American lives as a way to “Get Trump”.

It’s pathetic the little leftists show up here with their pom poms to celebrate whatever negative energy they can suck out of every situation. How miserable of a human being do you have to be to be a Democrat Marxist Socialist Communist.

just from a logical position, it would make zero sense to have all of those 'radioactive eggs' in one basket at any given point in time...

we'll see if they live up to it when that intel begins to leak... it's a guarantee we couldn't have gotten all of it in one strike based on that simple logic...

regardless, ol' boy dayum sure put more than a dent in the processes and ability to continue...

(06-25-2025 07:07 AM)TripleA Wrote:  These are quotes from Tom's link (which is the BBC):

1. The White House said the "flat-out wrong" assessment was leaked by "a low-level loser in the intelligence community".

2. The US has 18 intelligence agencies, which sometimes produce conflicting reports based on their mission and area of expertise. For example, the American intelligence community is still not in agreement over the origins of Covid-19.

3. It is possible future intelligence reports will include more information showing a different level of damage to the facilities.

According to CBS, officials familiar with the report warned it was an early assessment that could change as more information becomes available about the sites. It is also not clear at what confidence level the findings included in the report were made.

4. David Albright, president of the Institute for Science and International Security and an expert on secret nuclear weapons development, said the damage Iran sustained by the US attacks will mean "it will take significant time, investment and energy" for it to restore its nuclear programme.

In a post on X, Albright added that Iran is "under intense scrutiny and observation from the United States and Israel", and it risks further attacks if it tries to rebuild.

5. A report in Saudi news outlet Al Hadath, citing an unnamed Israeli source, said that Israel believes most of Iran's enriched uranium is buried under the rubble.

It's going to take some time to fully assess damage assessment.

(06-25-2025 07:25 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  wasn't sure which thread .... y'all should get a kick out of this one...

(06-25-2025 07:27 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  It's going to take some time to fully assess damage assessment.

That seems to be the sane POV at the moment. As opposed to being gleeful at any report saying the damage wasn't that great.

(06-25-2025 07:04 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-24-2025 03:26 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(06-24-2025 03:23 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-24-2025 01:57 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2025 01:50 PM)VA49er Wrote:  It made all the sense in the world to break it.

It made Z E R O sense.

If it's not perfect or trump didn't like it, then renegotiate a new one. He's the greatest negotiator of all time, right?

Killing it outright with no immediate replacement made NO sense.

We know trump. He likely killed it simply because Obama made it. He's that childish and vindictive.

In July 2019, Iran announced that it had breached the limit set on its stockpile of low-enriched uranium, which the IAEA confirmed. On 5 January 2020, Iran declared that it would no longer abide by the deal's limitations but would continue to coordinate with IAEA.

Why be involved in a deal that Iran had already admitted it would not abide by?

Now go look at the date Trump pulled out, and compare it to the dates Iran violated it. I’ll wait while the hamster wheels turn.

The dates are irrelevant. It was a bad deal from the beginning.

Then why did you list all the dates of when Iran did things in your post? Those are all after Trump pulled out of the deal, but while he was still president. Why should Iran follow an agreement that the other side pulled out of?

(06-24-2025 03:30 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  The tried-and-true Lefties don't believe facts. They will just say, "That isn't true", because their overlords didn't tell them. That is a real thing. I know a guy like that.

The irony of you posting that in a thread full of right wing posters going “just because the media said that it isn’t actually true” is probably lost on you.