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RE: US enters Iran war. Strikes 3 nuclear sites, including Fordow, Natanz, Isfahan
(06-24-2025 07:26 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(06-24-2025 12:43 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Btw, just for grins, it was reported today that Obama bombed other countries without congressional authority on 7 occasions, and Biden did the same 5 times.

In US history, Congress has declared war exactly 5 times, and Presidents have authorized various military strikes over 100 times.

It's apparently okay if Obama and Biden do it, but not Trump.

As usual, it's only a bad/illegal/unconstitutional thing when Trump does it.

Right...as "usual."

Quote:“This is an unacceptable violation of the Constitution,” Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.), who chairs the Progressive Caucus, wrote on social media.

Progressives Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) and Rep. Cori Bush (D-Mo.) echoed Jayapal, decrying “endless war” and labeling Biden’s actions unconstitutional.

“The President needs to come to Congress before launching a strike against the Houthis in Yemen and involving us in another middle east conflict. That is Article I of the Constitution. I will stand up for that regardless of whether a Democrat or Republican is in the White House,” said California Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.) on X, formerly known as Twitter. Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) retweeted Khanna.

Rep. Mark Pocan (D-Wisc) also demanded the White House work with Congress before continuing the strikes. “The United States cannot risk getting entangled into another decades-long conflict without Congressional authorization,” he wrote in a post on social media.
Dems rip Biden for launching Houthi strikes without congressional approval

Curious, can you list the members of the GOP who are on record opposing trumps actions here?
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(06-24-2025 07:59 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(06-24-2025 12:43 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Btw, just for grins, it was reported today that Obama bombed other countries without congressional authority on 7 occasions, and Biden did the same 5 times.

In US history, Congress has declared war exactly 5 times, and Presidents have authorized various military strikes over 100 times.

It's apparently okay if Obama and Biden do it, but not Trump.

War was never declared by Congress for Vietnam or Korea. Only a Resolution for Vietnam and we fought under the UN flag for Korea. Now you know why history isn't taught in school anymore. Dumb people are easier to control.

The last time war was declared by us on another country was probably 1941. The president has either 60 or 90 days where he can act in a limited fashion without congressional approval, beyond that it requires congressional approval. Not a declaration of war, but a congressional approval that supports authorization of military force. Congress has passed tons of approval for military force without declaring war.
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(06-24-2025 08:12 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(06-24-2025 07:59 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(06-24-2025 12:43 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Btw, just for grins, it was reported today that Obama bombed other countries without congressional authority on 7 occasions, and Biden did the same 5 times.

In US history, Congress has declared war exactly 5 times, and Presidents have authorized various military strikes over 100 times.

It's apparently okay if Obama and Biden do it, but not Trump.

War was never declared by Congress for Vietnam or Korea. Only a Resolution for Vietnam and we fought under the UN flag for Korea. Now you know why history isn't taught in school anymore. Dumb people are easier to control.

The last time war was declared by us on another country was probably 1941. The president has either 60 or 90 days where he can act in a limited fashion without congressional approval, beyond that it requires congressional approval. Not a declaration of war, but a congressional approval that supports authorization of military force. Congress has passed tons of approval for military force without declaring war.

Thanks mr wizard
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Let's see, we want to ensure Iran doesn't get a nuke, so we will bomb several sites.

But first, let's tell Congress and have them vote on it!. Great idea!

And Presidents have authorized military force "tons of times" without getting congressional approval. Over 100.

Declaring formal war and engaging on the ground is one thing. Flying B-2s over a site and dropping guided bombs on one mission is not exactly the same thing.

The President is also the CIC of the military, in case anybody forgot.
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(06-24-2025 08:12 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(06-24-2025 07:59 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(06-24-2025 12:43 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Btw, just for grins, it was reported today that Obama bombed other countries without congressional authority on 7 occasions, and Biden did the same 5 times.

In US history, Congress has declared war exactly 5 times, and Presidents have authorized various military strikes over 100 times.

It's apparently okay if Obama and Biden do it, but not Trump.

War was never declared by Congress for Vietnam or Korea. Only a Resolution for Vietnam and we fought under the UN flag for Korea. Now you know why history isn't taught in school anymore. Dumb people are easier to control.

The last time war was declared by us on another country was probably 1941. The president has either 60 or 90 days where he can act in a limited fashion without congressional approval, beyond that it requires congressional approval. Not a declaration of war, but a congressional approval that supports authorization of military force. Congress has passed tons of approval for military force without declaring war.

Do you have a list of those "tons of approval" times that Congress authorized military action, other than the 5 times they actually declared war?
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Just a few examples of POTUS' ordering strikes without Congressional Approval.
https://floppingaces.net/most-wanted/pre...ry-lesson/
"Presidents and Instances of Bombings Without Congressional Approval
Harry S. Truman (1945–1953)
Korea (1950–1953): Truman authorized bombing campaigns during the Korean War under UN Security Council resolutions, bypassing a formal congressional declaration of war. Critics argue this set a precedent for unilateral executive action.
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961)
Guatemala (1954): Eisenhower ordered CIA-led airstrikes to support a coup against the Guatemalan government. No specific congressional approval was sought for these covert operations.
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963)
Cuba (1961): Kennedy authorized the Bay of Pigs invasion, which included airstrikes, without explicit congressional approval.
Vietnam (early 1960s): Limited bombing operations began under Kennedy’s escalation in Vietnam, relying on executive authority rather than specific congressional authorization.
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969)
Vietnam (1964–1969): Johnson expanded bombing campaigns (e.g., Operation Rolling Thunder) based on the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution (1964), a broad authorization critics argue did not constitute specific approval for the scale of operations.
Richard Nixon (1969–1974)
Cambodia (1969–1970): Nixon ordered secret bombings of Cambodia (Operation Menu) without notifying Congress, later revealed by leaks, prompting significant backlash and contributing to the War Powers Resolution.
Vietnam and Laos: Expanded bombing campaigns relied on existing authorizations or executive authority, often without specific congressional approval.
Gerald R. Ford (1974–1977)
Cambodia (1975): Ford ordered airstrikes during the Mayaguez incident, citing the need to rescue U.S. personnel. This was reported to Congress under the War Powers Resolution but lacked prior approval.
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981)
Limited evidence exists of Carter ordering significant bombing campaigns without approval. Some sources suggest he avoided large-scale airstrikes, but small-scale operations may have occurred under executive authority.
Ronald Reagan (1981–1989)
Libya (1986): Reagan ordered airstrikes on Libya (Operation El Dorado Canyon) in response to terrorist attacks, citing self-defense under Article II powers, without seeking congressional approval.
Lebanon and Grenada (1983): Air support was used in both interventions without specific congressional authorization.
George H.W. Bush (1989–1993)
Panama (1989): Bush ordered Operation Just Cause, including airstrikes, without specific congressional approval, citing protection of U.S. citizens and interests.
Iraq (1991): While Congress authorized the Gulf War, some initial airstrikes and deployments were justified by Bush under executive authority before the resolution was passed.
Bill Clinton (1993–2001)
Somalia (1993): Airstrikes supported U.S. operations without specific congressional approval.
Bosnia (1993–1995): Clinton ordered airstrikes as part of NATO operations without explicit congressional authorization.
Kosovo (1999): Clinton authorized NATO-led airstrikes in Serbia/Kosovo, continuing beyond the War Powers Resolution’s 60-day limit, arguing implicit congressional approval through funding. Critics challenged this as unconstitutional.
Iraq (1998): Operation Desert Fox involved airstrikes without specific congressional approval, relying on prior AUMFs.
Sudan and Afghanistan (1998): Airstrikes on al-Qaeda targets followed embassy bombings, justified under executive authority.
George W. Bush (2001–2009)
Afghanistan (2001): Airstrikes followed the 9/11 attacks under the 2001 AUMF, which broadly authorized force against al-Qaeda but was not specific to all targets bombed.
Iraq (2003): While Congress passed the 2002 AUMF, some argue the extensive bombing campaign exceeded the scope without further specific approval.
Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia: Drone strikes and airstrikes targeted terrorists, often without specific congressional authorization, relying on the 2001 AUMF.
Barack Obama (2009–2017)
Libya (2011): Obama ordered airstrikes as part of a NATO campaign without congressional approval, arguing the actions didn’t constitute “hostilities” under the War Powers Resolution. This was highly controversial.
Syria (2014–2017): Airstrikes against ISIS relied on the 2001 and 2002 AUMFs, despite debate over their applicability, without new congressional approval.
Iraq (2014–2017): Renewed airstrikes against ISIS used existing AUMFs.
Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan: Extensive drone strikes targeted militants, justified under executive authority and the 2001 AUMF, with no specific congressional approval. In 2016, the U.S. dropped 26,171 bombs, mostly in Syria and Iraq.
Afghanistan: Continued airstrikes, with a 40% increase in 2016, relied on prior authorizations.
Donald J. Trump (2017–2021, 2025–present)
Syria (2017): Trump ordered missile strikes in response to chemical attacks, citing Article II powers and the 2002 AUMF, without specific congressional approval.
Yemen (2017–2025): Airstrikes against Houthi targets, including in 2025, were conducted without congressional authorization, prompting bipartisan criticism.
Iran (2020, 2025): The 2020 drone strike killing Qassem Soleimani and the 2025 airstrikes on Iranian nuclear facilities (Fordow, Natanz, Isfahan) were ordered without congressional approval, justified as defensive actions under Article II. These actions sparked significant debate, with some lawmakers calling them unconstitutional.
Afghanistan, Somalia, Iraq: Continued drone strikes and airstrikes relied on existing AUMFs.
Joe Biden (2021–2025)
Syria (2021): Biden ordered airstrikes on Iranian-backed militias without specific congressional approval, citing self-defense and existing AUMFs.
Yemen (2024): Airstrikes on Houthi targets in response to Red Sea attacks lacked specific congressional authorization, drawing criticism from lawmakers.
Afghanistan, Somalia: Limited airstrikes continued under prior AUMFs."
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(06-21-2025 08:28 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(06-21-2025 08:25 PM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  i hope DHS has a good idea of how many and where Iranians are who crossed our border unabated the last 4 years. Retaliation could come from within the country

Been pounding this drum for two months expecting this day to come.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/06/24/ice-...er-weekend

WASHINGTON — U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) arrested 11 Iranian nationals illegally in the United States over the weekend. ICE also arrested a U.S. citizen who threatened to kill ICE law enforcement while harboring an illegal alien from Iran. The weekend arrests reflect the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) commitment to keeping known and suspected terrorists out of American communities.
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(06-24-2025 08:09 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(06-24-2025 07:26 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(06-24-2025 12:43 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Btw, just for grins, it was reported today that Obama bombed other countries without congressional authority on 7 occasions, and Biden did the same 5 times.

In US history, Congress has declared war exactly 5 times, and Presidents have authorized various military strikes over 100 times.

It's apparently okay if Obama and Biden do it, but not Trump.

As usual, it's only a bad/illegal/unconstitutional thing when Trump does it.

Right...as "usual."

Quote:“This is an unacceptable violation of the Constitution,” Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.), who chairs the Progressive Caucus, wrote on social media.

Progressives Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) and Rep. Cori Bush (D-Mo.) echoed Jayapal, decrying “endless war” and labeling Biden’s actions unconstitutional.

“The President needs to come to Congress before launching a strike against the Houthis in Yemen and involving us in another middle east conflict. That is Article I of the Constitution. I will stand up for that regardless of whether a Democrat or Republican is in the White House,” said California Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.) on X, formerly known as Twitter. Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) retweeted Khanna.

Rep. Mark Pocan (D-Wisc) also demanded the White House work with Congress before continuing the strikes. “The United States cannot risk getting entangled into another decades-long conflict without Congressional authorization,” he wrote in a post on social media.
Dems rip Biden for launching Houthi strikes without congressional approval

Curious, can you list the members of the GOP who are on record opposing trumps actions here?

Yawn... Democrats and some republicans question Trump's unilateral attack on Iran

Then there is Marjorie Taylor Greene but I consider her the Repub equivalent to AOC and both are best to be ignored.

Don't see many Repubs against the bombing because there was nothing illegal about it.
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(06-24-2025 09:45 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Just a few examples of POTUS' ordering strikes without Congressional Approval.
https://floppingaces.net/most-wanted/pre...ry-lesson/
"Presidents and Instances of Bombings Without Congressional Approval
Harry S. Truman (1945–1953)
Korea (1950–1953): Truman authorized bombing campaigns during the Korean War under UN Security Council resolutions, bypassing a formal congressional declaration of war. Critics argue this set a precedent for unilateral executive action.
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961)
Guatemala (1954): Eisenhower ordered CIA-led airstrikes to support a coup against the Guatemalan government. No specific congressional approval was sought for these covert operations.
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963)
Cuba (1961): Kennedy authorized the Bay of Pigs invasion, which included airstrikes, without explicit congressional approval.
Vietnam (early 1960s): Limited bombing operations began under Kennedy’s escalation in Vietnam, relying on executive authority rather than specific congressional authorization.
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969)
Vietnam (1964–1969): Johnson expanded bombing campaigns (e.g., Operation Rolling Thunder) based on the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution (1964), a broad authorization critics argue did not constitute specific approval for the scale of operations.
Richard Nixon (1969–1974)
Cambodia (1969–1970): Nixon ordered secret bombings of Cambodia (Operation Menu) without notifying Congress, later revealed by leaks, prompting significant backlash and contributing to the War Powers Resolution.
Vietnam and Laos: Expanded bombing campaigns relied on existing authorizations or executive authority, often without specific congressional approval.
Gerald R. Ford (1974–1977)
Cambodia (1975): Ford ordered airstrikes during the Mayaguez incident, citing the need to rescue U.S. personnel. This was reported to Congress under the War Powers Resolution but lacked prior approval.
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981)
Limited evidence exists of Carter ordering significant bombing campaigns without approval. Some sources suggest he avoided large-scale airstrikes, but small-scale operations may have occurred under executive authority.
Ronald Reagan (1981–1989)
Libya (1986): Reagan ordered airstrikes on Libya (Operation El Dorado Canyon) in response to terrorist attacks, citing self-defense under Article II powers, without seeking congressional approval.
Lebanon and Grenada (1983): Air support was used in both interventions without specific congressional authorization.
George H.W. Bush (1989–1993)
Panama (1989): Bush ordered Operation Just Cause, including airstrikes, without specific congressional approval, citing protection of U.S. citizens and interests.
Iraq (1991): While Congress authorized the Gulf War, some initial airstrikes and deployments were justified by Bush under executive authority before the resolution was passed.
Bill Clinton (1993–2001)
Somalia (1993): Airstrikes supported U.S. operations without specific congressional approval.
Bosnia (1993–1995): Clinton ordered airstrikes as part of NATO operations without explicit congressional authorization.
Kosovo (1999): Clinton authorized NATO-led airstrikes in Serbia/Kosovo, continuing beyond the War Powers Resolution’s 60-day limit, arguing implicit congressional approval through funding. Critics challenged this as unconstitutional.
Iraq (1998): Operation Desert Fox involved airstrikes without specific congressional approval, relying on prior AUMFs.
Sudan and Afghanistan (1998): Airstrikes on al-Qaeda targets followed embassy bombings, justified under executive authority.
George W. Bush (2001–2009)
Afghanistan (2001): Airstrikes followed the 9/11 attacks under the 2001 AUMF, which broadly authorized force against al-Qaeda but was not specific to all targets bombed.
Iraq (2003): While Congress passed the 2002 AUMF, some argue the extensive bombing campaign exceeded the scope without further specific approval.
Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia: Drone strikes and airstrikes targeted terrorists, often without specific congressional authorization, relying on the 2001 AUMF.
Barack Obama (2009–2017)
Libya (2011): Obama ordered airstrikes as part of a NATO campaign without congressional approval, arguing the actions didn’t constitute “hostilities” under the War Powers Resolution. This was highly controversial.
Syria (2014–2017): Airstrikes against ISIS relied on the 2001 and 2002 AUMFs, despite debate over their applicability, without new congressional approval.
Iraq (2014–2017): Renewed airstrikes against ISIS used existing AUMFs.
Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan: Extensive drone strikes targeted militants, justified under executive authority and the 2001 AUMF, with no specific congressional approval. In 2016, the U.S. dropped 26,171 bombs, mostly in Syria and Iraq.
Afghanistan: Continued airstrikes, with a 40% increase in 2016, relied on prior authorizations.
Donald J. Trump (2017–2021, 2025–present)
Syria (2017): Trump ordered missile strikes in response to chemical attacks, citing Article II powers and the 2002 AUMF, without specific congressional approval.
Yemen (2017–2025): Airstrikes against Houthi targets, including in 2025, were conducted without congressional authorization, prompting bipartisan criticism.
Iran (2020, 2025): The 2020 drone strike killing Qassem Soleimani and the 2025 airstrikes on Iranian nuclear facilities (Fordow, Natanz, Isfahan) were ordered without congressional approval, justified as defensive actions under Article II. These actions sparked significant debate, with some lawmakers calling them unconstitutional.
Afghanistan, Somalia, Iraq: Continued drone strikes and airstrikes relied on existing AUMFs.
Joe Biden (2021–2025)
Syria (2021): Biden ordered airstrikes on Iranian-backed militias without specific congressional approval, citing self-defense and existing AUMFs.
Yemen (2024): Airstrikes on Houthi targets in response to Red Sea attacks lacked specific congressional authorization, drawing criticism from lawmakers.
Afghanistan, Somalia: Limited airstrikes continued under prior AUMFs."

Great work. Thank you.
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Quote:Why Trump didn’t have to ask Congress before striking Iran
It has been presidential practice for decades to unilaterally undertake similar military action.
Updated June 23, 2025 at 7:26 p.m. EDT
The Washington Post
By Geoffrey Corn, Claire Finkelstein and Orde Kittrie

President Donald Trump had the authority to order attacks on Iran’s nuclear weapons facilities without seeking congressional approval first.

The claim to the contrary by several members of Congress contradicts decades of U.S. practice involving similar military deployments.

Although the Constitution reserves to Congress the right to declare war, exercising that power requires the legislature to take positive action.

Some argue that the War Powers Resolution (WPR) prohibits presidents from unilaterally ordering the use of force. Enacted in 1973, the WPR states that the Constitution permits the president to introduce armed forces into hostilities only “pursuant to (1) a declaration of war, (2) specific statutory authorization, or (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.”

Regardless, nearly every administration since has undertaken unilateral military action broader than that described in the statute. The Justice Department under both Democratic and Republican administrations has justified this by asserting that the president has constitutional authority to independently initiate the use of force when doing so would serve “important national interests” and the anticipated “nature, scope, and duration” of the operation does not rise to the “level of a ‘war.’”

The department’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) has repeatedly opined that “military operations will likely rise to the level of a war only when characterized by ‘prolonged and substantial military engagements, typically involving exposure of U.S. military personnel to significant risk over a substantial period.’” Nearly identical positions were expressed under the Clinton administration, the Obama administration and the first Trump administration.


Consistent with this approach, the Clinton OLC concluded that a two-week operation in which the United States flew more than 2,300 sorties over Bosnia in 1995 did not require congressional authorization. The Obama OLC concluded similarly about the 2011 U.S. air campaign in Libya, which lasted over a week and involved the use of more than 600 missiles and precision-guided munitions.

In addition, most administrations have insisted that the WPR amounts to an unconstitutional intrusion into the president’s constitutional authority and that, as a result, the president is not legally bound by the resolution’s interpretation of that authority. Though the three of us might not agree with that interpretation, the reality is that many past presidents have endorsed it.

The Iran situation is at least as compelling as other instances in which prior presidents, of both parties, have unilaterally undertaken the use of force. Unlike some other situations in which recent presidents ordered military action, the threat to the United States from a nuclear-armed Iran is direct. The U.S. would be at grave risk of an Iranian nuclear attack on American naval forces in the Persian Gulf or neighboring air bases, especially considering that Iran has for decades attacked U.S. personnel directly and through its proxies.

The important national interests served by the attacks on Iran’s nuclear weapons facilities have been further delineated in explanations by Presidents George W. Bush, Barack Obama, Joe Biden and Trump of their commitment to use force if necessary to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon. Over the past 20 years, Congress has never acted to prohibit or restrict military action. To the contrary, on Nov. 1, 2023, the House of Representatives passed a resolution — by an overwhelming bipartisan vote of 354 to 53 — declaring that “it is the policy of the United States … to use all means necessary to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.”

The U.S. national interest in attacking Iran’s nuclear weapons program was more urgent than ever before, as there is strong evidence that Iran was on the brink of acquiring a nuclear weapon. Additionally, the attack was intended to be limited in both scope and duration, focused on destroying Iran’s Fordow, Isfahan and Natanz facilities. And with the possibility of a ceasefire under discussion between Israel and Iran, Operation Midnight Hammer may have proved to be just that. The operation also derives support from international law as an exercise of collective self-defense in defense of Israel.

If Congress wanted to ensure that the U.S. would not proceed with the strike, it could have acted, and it has the legal authority to halt further engagement if it acts now. Yet, in practice, Congress has repeatedly tolerated presidential decisions to employ military force without congressional preapproval and has consistently supported such actions by appropriating funds to facilitate and sustain these military operations. Congress has not declared war since 1942, and it has only issued a handful of authorizations for the use of military force since then.

Meanwhile, federal courts have frequently rejected as inappropriate for judicial review lawsuits filed by members of Congress challenging presidential authority to use military force unilaterally, even in cases involving apparent violations of the WPR. And the Supreme Court has never ruled on a case involving unilateral presidential military action overseas. With courts repeatedly refusing to enforce the WPR, it is increasingly difficult to maintain that the limits set by that statute meaningfully constrain presidential action.

Over the past week, several lawmakers have introduced bills to limit presidential authority to use force against Iran. But unless and until Congress is successful in passing a law to restrict the president, he is justified in invoking authority just as his predecessors did.

Congress can limit his war power, but to do so it must act, not simply complain after the fact.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/...-approval/
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(06-24-2025 08:09 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(06-24-2025 07:26 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(06-24-2025 12:43 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Btw, just for grins, it was reported today that Obama bombed other countries without congressional authority on 7 occasions, and Biden did the same 5 times.

In US history, Congress has declared war exactly 5 times, and Presidents have authorized various military strikes over 100 times.

It's apparently okay if Obama and Biden do it, but not Trump.

As usual, it's only a bad/illegal/unconstitutional thing when Trump does it.

Right...as "usual."

Quote:“This is an unacceptable violation of the Constitution,” Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.), who chairs the Progressive Caucus, wrote on social media.

Progressives Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) and Rep. Cori Bush (D-Mo.) echoed Jayapal, decrying “endless war” and labeling Biden’s actions unconstitutional.

“The President needs to come to Congress before launching a strike against the Houthis in Yemen and involving us in another middle east conflict. That is Article I of the Constitution. I will stand up for that regardless of whether a Democrat or Republican is in the White House,” said California Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.) on X, formerly known as Twitter. Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) retweeted Khanna.

Rep. Mark Pocan (D-Wisc) also demanded the White House work with Congress before continuing the strikes. “The United States cannot risk getting entangled into another decades-long conflict without Congressional authorization,” he wrote in a post on social media.
Dems rip Biden for launching Houthi strikes without congressional approval

Curious, can you list the members of the GOP who are on record opposing trumps actions here?

Did you really make a post that quotes Jayapal, Tlaib, & Bush in glowing tones, like they should be listened to? And, then you say "Trump is dumb"? 03-lmfao
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Those fools are the reason he SHOULDN'T go to Congress.
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(06-24-2025 12:13 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  
(06-24-2025 08:09 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(06-24-2025 07:26 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(06-24-2025 12:43 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Btw, just for grins, it was reported today that Obama bombed other countries without congressional authority on 7 occasions, and Biden did the same 5 times.

In US history, Congress has declared war exactly 5 times, and Presidents have authorized various military strikes over 100 times.

It's apparently okay if Obama and Biden do it, but not Trump.

As usual, it's only a bad/illegal/unconstitutional thing when Trump does it.

Right...as "usual."

Quote:“This is an unacceptable violation of the Constitution,” Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.), who chairs the Progressive Caucus, wrote on social media.

Progressives Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) and Rep. Cori Bush (D-Mo.) echoed Jayapal, decrying “endless war” and labeling Biden’s actions unconstitutional.

“The President needs to come to Congress before launching a strike against the Houthis in Yemen and involving us in another middle east conflict. That is Article I of the Constitution. I will stand up for that regardless of whether a Democrat or Republican is in the White House,” said California Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.) on X, formerly known as Twitter. Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) retweeted Khanna.

Rep. Mark Pocan (D-Wisc) also demanded the White House work with Congress before continuing the strikes. “The United States cannot risk getting entangled into another decades-long conflict without Congressional authorization,” he wrote in a post on social media.
Dems rip Biden for launching Houthi strikes without congressional approval

Curious, can you list the members of the GOP who are on record opposing trumps actions here?

Did you really make a post that quotes Jayapal, Tlaib, & Bush in glowing tones, like they should be listened to? And, then you say "Trump is dumb"? 03-lmfao

Yes, he did. And he probably did it with a straight face.
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Another irrational, America hating Democrat posts on Twitter. What's new?
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(06-24-2025 12:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

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