(04-29-2025 09:42 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 09:38 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 09:31 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 09:28 AM)miko33 Wrote:  The biggest reason it took China so long is because they were starting from very little infrastructure coupled with a population almost entirely in the rural areas living as subsistence farmers who sold some excess crops. Very different from bringing manufacturing back to the U.S. where we have infrastructure, education and a skilled workforce that should all be able to scale up much more quickly.

I think it's a 180 from what you describe regarding bringing it back IMHO.

Do we have the skilled labor force to do it now? Most of the people who were skilled in manufacturing are dead or in their late 60s or older. Don't even get me started on the shortage of tradesmen at this point.

I hope you are right, that we can do it that quickly, I'm just not sold we can.

Yes it's a skilled workforce overall when you look in the more general sense that the majority of U.S. workers are computer literate plus go thru K-12 schooling. That's not true for many Chinese even today. Similar for the 3rd world in general.

The US has a weed problem. Gonna be hard to find enough workers that can pass a drug test. Hard to work in a factory and be a pot head. Gonna have to bring workers from other countries with green card programs (Filipinos, Indonesians etc.). Have no problem with that at all as long as we know who they are. Get fingerprints, DNA etc. THEY will help this economy. That is how America was formed.

Oh darn. Stop the deportations now. We need workers Americans don’t want to do I mean aren't sober enough to do. How's TdA skills in a steel factory?

(04-29-2025 09:42 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 09:38 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 09:31 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 09:28 AM)miko33 Wrote:  The biggest reason it took China so long is because they were starting from very little infrastructure coupled with a population almost entirely in the rural areas living as subsistence farmers who sold some excess crops. Very different from bringing manufacturing back to the U.S. where we have infrastructure, education and a skilled workforce that should all be able to scale up much more quickly.

I think it's a 180 from what you describe regarding bringing it back IMHO.

Do we have the skilled labor force to do it now? Most of the people who were skilled in manufacturing are dead or in their late 60s or older. Don't even get me started on the shortage of tradesmen at this point.

I hope you are right, that we can do it that quickly, I'm just not sold we can.

Yes it's a skilled workforce overall when you look in the more general sense that the majority of U.S. workers are computer literate plus go thru K-12 schooling. That's not true for many Chinese even today. Similar for the 3rd world in general.

The US has a weed problem. Gonna be hard to find enough workers that can pass a drug test. Hard to work in a factory and be a pot head. Gonna have to bring workers from other countries with green card programs (Filipinos, Indonesians etc.). Have no problem with that at all as long as we know who they are. Get fingerprints, DNA etc. THEY will help this economy. That is how America was formed.

BTW, the weed problem is another failure of leadership brought to you by the marxists left.

(04-29-2025 09:42 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Hard to work in a factory and be a pot head.

Do you really believe this?

(04-29-2025 09:49 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  BTW, the weed problem is another failure of leadership brought to you by the marxists left.

I'd expect within fairly short order they'll figure out a test similar to the BAC tests that will be able to judge just how much active THC is in a person's system. I believe the current tests just look for the metabolites in your blood as the body breaks down the THC. I would think there has to be a way to figure out how much is actually "active", just like on a blood alcohol concentration test.

(04-29-2025 09:53 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 09:42 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Hard to work in a factory and be a pot head.

Do you really believe this?

How is it any different than operating machinery while drunk? I consider the risks the same.

Quote:Maria Bartiromo calls out Amazon for listing inflation on product costs after hiring a Chinese propaganda firm:

"There was no mention whatsoever at Amazon about Joe Biden's inflation. And the fact is, we got to 40-year highs. Inflation, measured by the Consumer Price Index, was up 9.1%. We all remember. We were at the cash register.”

“Everything cost so much more.”

"Why they're putting a little bug now, 'this is because of the tarrifs,' and they didn't put a little bug 'this is because of the $7 trillion spent by the Democrats under Joe Biden' is a question.

(04-29-2025 08:48 AM)mlb Wrote:  This could get interesting... like I said yesterday, the businesses will be the ones who start screaming first.

https://www.barrons.com/news/amazon-poli...e-b72b81f4

Quote:The White House on Tuesday slammed Amazon over reports that it would begin telling consumers how much US President Donald Trump's tariffs have contributed to the price tag on its goods.

"This is a hostile and political act by Amazon. Why didn't Amazon do this when the Biden administration hiked inflation to the highest level in 40 years?" Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt told reporters.

How about they tell consumers how much of their inventory is sourced from China?

(04-29-2025 09:48 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 09:42 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 09:38 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 09:31 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 09:28 AM)miko33 Wrote:  The biggest reason it took China so long is because they were starting from very little infrastructure coupled with a population almost entirely in the rural areas living as subsistence farmers who sold some excess crops. Very different from bringing manufacturing back to the U.S. where we have infrastructure, education and a skilled workforce that should all be able to scale up much more quickly.

I think it's a 180 from what you describe regarding bringing it back IMHO.

Do we have the skilled labor force to do it now? Most of the people who were skilled in manufacturing are dead or in their late 60s or older. Don't even get me started on the shortage of tradesmen at this point.

I hope you are right, that we can do it that quickly, I'm just not sold we can.

Yes it's a skilled workforce overall when you look in the more general sense that the majority of U.S. workers are computer literate plus go thru K-12 schooling. That's not true for many Chinese even today. Similar for the 3rd world in general.

The US has a weed problem. Gonna be hard to find enough workers that can pass a drug test. Hard to work in a factory and be a pot head. Gonna have to bring workers from other countries with green card programs (Filipinos, Indonesians etc.). Have no problem with that at all as long as we know who they are. Get fingerprints, DNA etc. THEY will help this economy. That is how America was formed.

Oh darn. Stop the deportations now. We need workers Americans don’t want to do I mean aren't sober enough to do. How's TdA skills in a steel factory?

You've completely turned around everything I said. Bringing Far East Asians that are currently working in these plants as slaves and fully vetting and processing them is completely different from KEEPING the illegals that are here, especially gang members, but I'm sure you know that. And, yes the US does have a lazy pothead problem, and they shouldn't be working in a factory. There is a test for weed. You use a hair follicle. We have ALWAYS wanted hard working Immigrants that will love being in America.

(04-29-2025 10:00 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 08:48 AM)mlb Wrote:  This could get interesting... like I said yesterday, the businesses will be the ones who start screaming first.

https://www.barrons.com/news/amazon-poli...e-b72b81f4

Quote:The White House on Tuesday slammed Amazon over reports that it would begin telling consumers how much US President Donald Trump's tariffs have contributed to the price tag on its goods.

"This is a hostile and political act by Amazon. Why didn't Amazon do this when the Biden administration hiked inflation to the highest level in 40 years?" Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt told reporters.

How about they tell consumers how much of their inventory is sourced from China?

with a subset for goods produced by slave labor....

(04-29-2025 09:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 09:09 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 08:57 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 08:55 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 08:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  FFS, that Leavitt is some kind of stupid.

Why's that? Biden signed the Inflation Explosion Act which caused skyrocketing inflation.

Speaking of levels of stupidity.

I don't play the name calling game. Those that do tend to show their lack of intellectual prowess.

I didn't call you a name.

Sure you did, you called him stupid.

(04-29-2025 10:00 AM)bullet Wrote:  How about they tell consumers how much of their inventory is sourced from China?

I'm all about it. Same with Walmart and other big box retailers.

(04-29-2025 10:09 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 09:48 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 09:42 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 09:38 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 09:31 AM)mlb Wrote:  Do we have the skilled labor force to do it now? Most of the people who were skilled in manufacturing are dead or in their late 60s or older. Don't even get me started on the shortage of tradesmen at this point.

I hope you are right, that we can do it that quickly, I'm just not sold we can.

Yes it's a skilled workforce overall when you look in the more general sense that the majority of U.S. workers are computer literate plus go thru K-12 schooling. That's not true for many Chinese even today. Similar for the 3rd world in general.

The US has a weed problem. Gonna be hard to find enough workers that can pass a drug test. Hard to work in a factory and be a pot head. Gonna have to bring workers from other countries with green card programs (Filipinos, Indonesians etc.). Have no problem with that at all as long as we know who they are. Get fingerprints, DNA etc. THEY will help this economy. That is how America was formed.

Oh darn. Stop the deportations now. We need workers Americans don’t want to do I mean aren't sober enough to do. How's TdA skills in a steel factory?

You've completely turned around everything I said. Bringing Far East Asians that are currently working in these plants as slaves and fully vetting and processing them is completely different from KEEPING the illegals that are here, especially gang members, but I'm sure you know that. And, yes the US does have a lazy pothead problem, and they shouldn't be working in a factory. There is a test for weed. You use a hair follicle. We have ALWAYS wanted hard working Immigrants that will love being in America.

It was a joke.

I think the Trump Administration could do a better job of communicating the reasons and need for the tariffs. Trump has many strengths, Reagan type articulation is not among them.

Bessent, on the other hand, is a skilled communicator and should be given a larger role in conveying Trump's message to the American people, IMO.

I encourage reading the tweet thread posted by Ratna. Example:

(04-29-2025 08:48 AM)mlb Wrote:  This could get interesting... like I said yesterday, the businesses will be the ones who start screaming first.

https://www.barrons.com/news/amazon-poli...e-b72b81f4

Quote:The White House on Tuesday slammed Amazon over reports that it would begin telling consumers how much US President Donald Trump's tariffs have contributed to the price tag on its goods.

"This is a hostile and political act by Amazon. Why didn't Amazon do this when the Biden administration hiked inflation to the highest level in 40 years?" Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt told reporters.

I guess Bezos is claiming, now, that this was NEVER even a consideration.

(04-29-2025 10:37 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 10:00 AM)bullet Wrote:  How about they tell consumers how much of their inventory is sourced from China?

I'm all about it. Same with Walmart and other big box retailers.

I'm old enough to remember the Walmart ads when they said their policy was to buy American if there was an American option. Now they are the biggest single importer from China.

(04-29-2025 01:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 10:37 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 10:00 AM)bullet Wrote:  How about they tell consumers how much of their inventory is sourced from China?

I'm all about it. Same with Walmart and other big box retailers.

I'm old enough to remember the Walmart ads when they said their policy was to buy American if there was an American option. Now they are the biggest single importer from China.

Because, again, Americans want cheap ****.

(04-29-2025 11:57 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 08:48 AM)mlb Wrote:  This could get interesting... like I said yesterday, the businesses will be the ones who start screaming first.

https://www.barrons.com/news/amazon-poli...e-b72b81f4

Quote:The White House on Tuesday slammed Amazon over reports that it would begin telling consumers how much US President Donald Trump's tariffs have contributed to the price tag on its goods.

"This is a hostile and political act by Amazon. Why didn't Amazon do this when the Biden administration hiked inflation to the highest level in 40 years?" Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt told reporters.

I guess Bezos is claiming, now, that this was NEVER even a consideration.

Usually happens when you a get an assload of blowback from your shareholders.

(04-29-2025 01:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  I'm old enough to remember the Walmart ads when they said their policy was to buy American if there was an American option. Now they are the biggest single importer from China.

I'm old enough to remember when WalMart was buy American, period, then buy American if there was an American option, now China. Of course that earlier part may come from having spent a lot of time in Arkansas and Missouri in the 1980s, where WalMart was big back then.

The first WalMart I ever saw was in Camdenton, Missouri, in 1981, was about the size of a small-town hardware store, and carried mostly holiday stuff for Lake Ozark.