https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/29/port-of-...-bite.html

Quote:Shipments from China to the west coast of the U.S. will plummet next week as the impact of President Donald Trump’s tariffs leads companies to cut their import orders.

Gene Seroka, the executive director of the Port of Los Angeles, said Tuesday on CNBC’s “Squawk Box” that he expects incoming cargo volume to slide by more than a third next week compared to the same period in 2024.

But I was told it wouldn't affect trucking companies and their drivers?

(04-29-2025 08:55 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 08:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 08:48 AM)mlb Wrote:  This could get interesting... like I said yesterday, the businesses will be the ones who start screaming first.

https://www.barrons.com/news/amazon-poli...e-b72b81f4

Quote:The White House on Tuesday slammed Amazon over reports that it would begin telling consumers how much US President Donald Trump's tariffs have contributed to the price tag on its goods.

"This is a hostile and political act by Amazon. Why didn't Amazon do this when the Biden administration hiked inflation to the highest level in 40 years?" Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt told reporters.

FFS, that Leavitt is some kind of stupid.

Why's that? Biden signed the Inflation Explosion Act which caused skyrocketing inflation.

Speaking of levels of stupidity.

(04-29-2025 08:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 08:32 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The media rightly points out the tariff pain to Americans, but does not mention the benefits (partly Trump's administration's fault) nor the pain to the other side which might bring them to the table.

What benefits?

And in case you haven't noticed, Americans are impatient. They aren't going to wait years to see these supposed benefits.

So, because something is hard and people don't like it our leadership shouldn't do it. That's the stupidity of mind thought that's got us in the cluster **** to begin with. Whether it's illegal immigration propagated by the government itself or flipping passing an ironically called Inflation Reduction Act which does the exact opposite.

Economists: Debt levels above 120% are a strong warning sign that a country may not be able to continue servicing its debt without significant reform or restructuring. Countries in this range may be at risk of a debt crisis. Debt-to-GDP ratios above 150% can significantly increase the risk of economic instability or collapse.

U.S. Ratio: The debt-to-GDP ratio currently at about 130% is high and projected to continue rising, potentially reaching 150+ percent of GDP by 2035.

So, yeah let's just keep doing nothing or the same **** and watch the U.S. economy collapse. God, people are f'n stupid (or more likely this is what some want is for the U.S. to collapse). That certainly explains the previous four years.

(04-29-2025 08:57 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 08:55 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 08:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 08:48 AM)mlb Wrote:  This could get interesting... like I said yesterday, the businesses will be the ones who start screaming first.

https://www.barrons.com/news/amazon-poli...e-b72b81f4

Quote:The White House on Tuesday slammed Amazon over reports that it would begin telling consumers how much US President Donald Trump's tariffs have contributed to the price tag on its goods.

"This is a hostile and political act by Amazon. Why didn't Amazon do this when the Biden administration hiked inflation to the highest level in 40 years?" Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt told reporters.

FFS, that Leavitt is some kind of stupid.

Why's that? Biden signed the Inflation Explosion Act which caused skyrocketing inflation.

Speaking of levels of stupidity.

I don't play the name calling game. Those that do tend to show their lack of intellectual prowess.

(04-29-2025 09:07 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 08:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 08:32 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The media rightly points out the tariff pain to Americans, but does not mention the benefits (partly Trump's administration's fault) nor the pain to the other side which might bring them to the table.

What benefits?

And in case you haven't noticed, Americans are impatient. They aren't going to wait years to see these supposed benefits.

So, because something is hard and people don't like it our leadership shouldn't do it. That's the stupidity of mind thought that's got us in the cluster **** to begin with. Whether it's illegal immigration propagated by the government itself or flipping passing an ironically called Inflation Reduction Act which does the exact opposite.

Economists: Debt levels above 120% are a strong warning sign that a country may not be able to continue servicing its debt without significant reform or restructuring. Countries in this range may be at risk of a debt crisis. Debt-to-GDP ratios above 150% can significantly increase the risk of economic instability or collapse.

U.S. Ratio: The debt-to-GDP ratio currently at about 130% is high and projected to continue rising, potentially reaching 150+ percent of GDP by 2035.

So, yeah let's just keep doing nothing or the same **** and watch the U.S. economy collapse. God, people are f'n stupid (or more likely this is what some want is for the U.S. to collapse). That certainly explains the previous four years.

A total collapse is EXACTLY what the leaders on the Left want, and their followers do whatever they are told to argue for it. Without a total collapse they cannot have complete control. History shows us that those that follow the Socialists/Communists, pick your word, suffer just as much as those that were arguing and doing what they could against it. There is a reason History isn't taught in school anymore. I was in school during the late 70s and 80s and we knew what Communism was. We had Nuclear Bomb drills for God's Sake and were told we would be a very likely target due to the Shipyards to the East and Keesler AFB across the Bay to the South. We had those discussions.

(04-29-2025 09:07 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 08:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 08:32 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The media rightly points out the tariff pain to Americans, but does not mention the benefits (partly Trump's administration's fault) nor the pain to the other side which might bring them to the table.

What benefits?

And in case you haven't noticed, Americans are impatient. They aren't going to wait years to see these supposed benefits.

So, because something is hard and people don't like it our leadership shouldn't do it. That's the stupidity of mind thought that's got us in the cluster **** to begin with. Whether it's illegal immigration propagated by the government itself or flipping passing an ironically called Inflation Reduction Act which does the exact opposite.

Economists: Debt levels above 120% are a strong warning sign that a country may not be able to continue servicing its debt without significant reform or restructuring. Countries in this range may be at risk of a debt crisis. Debt-to-GDP ratios above 150% can significantly increase the risk of economic instability or collapse.

U.S. Ratio: The debt-to-GDP ratio currently at about 130% is high and projected to continue rising, potentially reaching 150+ percent of GDP by 2035.

So, yeah let's just keep doing nothing or the same **** and watch the U.S. economy collapse. God, people are f'n stupid (or more likely this is what some want is for the U.S. to collapse). That certainly explains the previous four years.

I'm absolutely for the reform... I just want it done in a structured way that gives businesses time to shift their supply chain. It took decades for China to steal our manufacturing, it will take a very long time for it to move back (if it ever does).

(04-29-2025 09:07 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 08:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 08:32 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The media rightly points out the tariff pain to Americans, but does not mention the benefits (partly Trump's administration's fault) nor the pain to the other side which might bring them to the table.

What benefits?

And in case you haven't noticed, Americans are impatient. They aren't going to wait years to see these supposed benefits.

So, because something is hard and people don't like it our leadership shouldn't do it. That's the stupidity of mind thought that's got us in the cluster **** to begin with. Whether it's illegal immigration propagated by the government itself or flipping passing an ironically called Inflation Reduction Act which does the exact opposite.

Economists: Debt levels above 120% are a strong warning sign that a country may not be able to continue servicing its debt without significant reform or restructuring. Countries in this range may be at risk of a debt crisis. Debt-to-GDP ratios above 150% can significantly increase the risk of economic instability or collapse.

U.S. Ratio: The debt-to-GDP ratio currently at about 130% is high and projected to continue rising, potentially reaching 150+ percent of GDP by 2035.

So, yeah let's just keep doing nothing or the same **** and watch the U.S. economy collapse. God, people are f'n stupid (or more likely this is what some want is for the U.S. to collapse). That certainly explains the previous four years.

At least he's consistent.

(04-29-2025 09:20 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 09:07 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 08:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 08:32 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The media rightly points out the tariff pain to Americans, but does not mention the benefits (partly Trump's administration's fault) nor the pain to the other side which might bring them to the table.

What benefits?

And in case you haven't noticed, Americans are impatient. They aren't going to wait years to see these supposed benefits.

So, because something is hard and people don't like it our leadership shouldn't do it. That's the stupidity of mind thought that's got us in the cluster **** to begin with. Whether it's illegal immigration propagated by the government itself or flipping passing an ironically called Inflation Reduction Act which does the exact opposite.

Economists: Debt levels above 120% are a strong warning sign that a country may not be able to continue servicing its debt without significant reform or restructuring. Countries in this range may be at risk of a debt crisis. Debt-to-GDP ratios above 150% can significantly increase the risk of economic instability or collapse.

U.S. Ratio: The debt-to-GDP ratio currently at about 130% is high and projected to continue rising, potentially reaching 150+ percent of GDP by 2035.

So, yeah let's just keep doing nothing or the same **** and watch the U.S. economy collapse. God, people are f'n stupid (or more likely this is what some want is for the U.S. to collapse). That certainly explains the previous four years.

I'm absolutely for the reform... I just want it done in a structured way that gives businesses time to shift their supply chain. It took decades for China to steal our manufacturing, it will take a very long time for it to move back (if it ever does).

That's fair, but there is a bit of a bet Trump is making. He's betting on American ingenuity in getting it done fast. More than manufacturing though I think he just wants better deals with the countries that are raping us financially. It's going to take time and while I agree people don't want to wait we can't keep doing the same thing. It may cost him the midterms but then look better at the end of four years. Guess we'll have to wait around to find out.

I think they are taxing the wrong thing.

They need to tax the transportation of goods rather than the goods themselves - both domestically and internationally.

The further away from a place something is made, the higher the tax.

This discourages centralized production of items and promotes smaller production facilities that are geographically dispersed. In the end you have a system that is much more robust and able to resist disasters both natural and military.

(04-29-2025 09:20 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 09:07 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 08:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 08:32 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The media rightly points out the tariff pain to Americans, but does not mention the benefits (partly Trump's administration's fault) nor the pain to the other side which might bring them to the table.

What benefits?

And in case you haven't noticed, Americans are impatient. They aren't going to wait years to see these supposed benefits.

So, because something is hard and people don't like it our leadership shouldn't do it. That's the stupidity of mind thought that's got us in the cluster **** to begin with. Whether it's illegal immigration propagated by the government itself or flipping passing an ironically called Inflation Reduction Act which does the exact opposite.

Economists: Debt levels above 120% are a strong warning sign that a country may not be able to continue servicing its debt without significant reform or restructuring. Countries in this range may be at risk of a debt crisis. Debt-to-GDP ratios above 150% can significantly increase the risk of economic instability or collapse.

U.S. Ratio: The debt-to-GDP ratio currently at about 130% is high and projected to continue rising, potentially reaching 150+ percent of GDP by 2035.

So, yeah let's just keep doing nothing or the same **** and watch the U.S. economy collapse. God, people are f'n stupid (or more likely this is what some want is for the U.S. to collapse). That certainly explains the previous four years.

I'm absolutely for the reform... I just want it done in a structured way that gives businesses time to shift their supply chain. It took decades for China to steal our manufacturing, it will take a very long time for it to move back (if it ever does).

The biggest reason it took China so long is because they were starting from very little infrastructure coupled with a population almost entirely in the rural areas living as subsistence farmers who sold some excess crops. Very different from bringing manufacturing back to the U.S. where we have infrastructure, education and a skilled workforce that should all be able to scale up much more quickly.

I think it's a 180 from what you describe regarding bringing it back IMHO.

(04-29-2025 09:07 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 08:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 08:32 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The media rightly points out the tariff pain to Americans, but does not mention the benefits (partly Trump's administration's fault) nor the pain to the other side which might bring them to the table.

What benefits?

And in case you haven't noticed, Americans are impatient. They aren't going to wait years to see these supposed benefits.

So, because something is hard and people don't like it our leadership shouldn't do it. That's the stupidity of mind thought that's got us in the cluster **** to begin with. Whether it's illegal immigration propagated by the government itself or flipping passing an ironically called Inflation Reduction Act which does the exact opposite.

Economists: Debt levels above 120% are a strong warning sign that a country may not be able to continue servicing its debt without significant reform or restructuring. Countries in this range may be at risk of a debt crisis. Debt-to-GDP ratios above 150% can significantly increase the risk of economic instability or collapse.

U.S. Ratio: The debt-to-GDP ratio currently at about 130% is high and projected to continue rising, potentially reaching 150+ percent of GDP by 2035.

So, yeah let's just keep doing nothing or the same **** and watch the U.S. economy collapse. God, people are f'n stupid (or more likely this is what some want is for the U.S. to collapse). That certainly explains the previous four years.

Ah yes, back to the old fallacies of logic.

Of course we need to do something. But no, hammering DOGE and throwing the globe into financial chaos with these idiotic massive tariffs with no consistency, methodology, or defined plan is not the way to go about it!

(04-29-2025 09:09 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 08:57 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 08:55 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 08:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 08:48 AM)mlb Wrote:  This could get interesting... like I said yesterday, the businesses will be the ones who start screaming first.

https://www.barrons.com/news/amazon-poli...e-b72b81f4

FFS, that Leavitt is some kind of stupid.

Why's that? Biden signed the Inflation Explosion Act which caused skyrocketing inflation.

Speaking of levels of stupidity.

I don't play the name calling game. Those that do tend to show their lack of intellectual prowess.

I didn't call you a name.

(04-29-2025 09:28 AM)miko33 Wrote:  The biggest reason it took China so long is because they were starting from very little infrastructure coupled with a population almost entirely in the rural areas living as subsistence farmers who sold some excess crops. Very different from bringing manufacturing back to the U.S. where we have infrastructure, education and a skilled workforce that should all be able to scale up much more quickly.

I think it's a 180 from what you describe regarding bringing it back IMHO.

Do we have the skilled labor force to do it now? Most of the people who were skilled in manufacturing are dead or in their late 60s or older. Don't even get me started on the shortage of tradesmen at this point.

I hope you are right, that we can do it that quickly, I'm just not sold we can.

I'll believe this when I see it.

(04-29-2025 09:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 09:07 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 08:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 08:32 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The media rightly points out the tariff pain to Americans, but does not mention the benefits (partly Trump's administration's fault) nor the pain to the other side which might bring them to the table.

What benefits?

And in case you haven't noticed, Americans are impatient. They aren't going to wait years to see these supposed benefits.

So, because something is hard and people don't like it our leadership shouldn't do it. That's the stupidity of mind thought that's got us in the cluster **** to begin with. Whether it's illegal immigration propagated by the government itself or flipping passing an ironically called Inflation Reduction Act which does the exact opposite.

Economists: Debt levels above 120% are a strong warning sign that a country may not be able to continue servicing its debt without significant reform or restructuring. Countries in this range may be at risk of a debt crisis. Debt-to-GDP ratios above 150% can significantly increase the risk of economic instability or collapse.

U.S. Ratio: The debt-to-GDP ratio currently at about 130% is high and projected to continue rising, potentially reaching 150+ percent of GDP by 2035.

So, yeah let's just keep doing nothing or the same **** and watch the U.S. economy collapse. God, people are f'n stupid (or more likely this is what some want is for the U.S. to collapse). That certainly explains the previous four years.

Ah yes, back to the old fallacies of logic.

Of course we need to do something. But no, hammering DOGE and throwing the globe into financial chaos with these idiotic massive tariffs with no consistency, methodology, or defined plan is not the way to go about it!

You don't know what you don't know. Yet, act like you do.

(04-29-2025 09:31 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 09:28 AM)miko33 Wrote:  The biggest reason it took China so long is because they were starting from very little infrastructure coupled with a population almost entirely in the rural areas living as subsistence farmers who sold some excess crops. Very different from bringing manufacturing back to the U.S. where we have infrastructure, education and a skilled workforce that should all be able to scale up much more quickly.

I think it's a 180 from what you describe regarding bringing it back IMHO.

Do we have the skilled labor force to do it now? Most of the people who were skilled in manufacturing are dead or in their late 60s or older. Don't even get me started on the shortage of tradesmen at this point.

I hope you are right, that we can do it that quickly, I'm just not sold we can.

Also, if stuff is brought back here, it's going to be done with way more robotics than in the past...so way fewer workers needed.

But the biggest issue I see is that we've spent the last many years creating this global supply chain...so if that is disrupted in any significant way, which sure seems like a hastened reality...it's not going to much matter as we won't have the necessities to even produce all the needed products here.

(04-29-2025 09:31 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 09:28 AM)miko33 Wrote:  The biggest reason it took China so long is because they were starting from very little infrastructure coupled with a population almost entirely in the rural areas living as subsistence farmers who sold some excess crops. Very different from bringing manufacturing back to the U.S. where we have infrastructure, education and a skilled workforce that should all be able to scale up much more quickly.

I think it's a 180 from what you describe regarding bringing it back IMHO.

Do we have the skilled labor force to do it now? Most of the people who were skilled in manufacturing are dead or in their late 60s or older. Don't even get me started on the shortage of tradesmen at this point.

I hope you are right, that we can do it that quickly, I'm just not sold we can.

Yes it's a skilled workforce overall when you look in the more general sense that the majority of U.S. workers are computer literate plus go thru K-12 schooling. That's not true for many Chinese even today. Similar for the 3rd world in general.

(04-29-2025 09:38 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 09:31 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-29-2025 09:28 AM)miko33 Wrote:  The biggest reason it took China so long is because they were starting from very little infrastructure coupled with a population almost entirely in the rural areas living as subsistence farmers who sold some excess crops. Very different from bringing manufacturing back to the U.S. where we have infrastructure, education and a skilled workforce that should all be able to scale up much more quickly.

I think it's a 180 from what you describe regarding bringing it back IMHO.

Do we have the skilled labor force to do it now? Most of the people who were skilled in manufacturing are dead or in their late 60s or older. Don't even get me started on the shortage of tradesmen at this point.

I hope you are right, that we can do it that quickly, I'm just not sold we can.

Yes it's a skilled workforce overall when you look in the more general sense that the majority of U.S. workers are computer literate plus go thru K-12 schooling. That's not true for many Chinese even today. Similar for the 3rd world in general.

The US has a weed problem. Gonna be hard to find enough workers that can pass a drug test. Hard to work in a factory and be a pot head. Gonna have to bring workers from other countries with green card programs (Filipinos, Indonesians etc.). Have no problem with that at all as long as we know who they are. Get fingerprints, DNA etc. THEY will help this economy. That is how America was formed.