(07-10-2024 08:59 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-08-2024 05:51 PM)shere khan Wrote:  It all really went to shite fast for the filth.

Since when do citizens have to police the government just to get laws on our books enforced by those who (a.) are supposed to know the laws they have already passed, and (b.) have as their purpose of existence the enforcement of those laws.

Can we not fire or hold criminally liable these jackasses for not doing their damn jobs and obstructing the justice they are supposed to seek!!!

At no time in our history have illegal aliens been permitted the damn vote!

What are you rambling about?

We have laws against all sorts of things, but that doesn't mean there's any way to stop them from ever being broken.

And illegal aliens have never been permitted to vote in federal elections. But there is a history of local jurisdictions allowing them to vote in local elections where they do pay taxes and were determined to be allowed to vote for the representation they pay for.

(07-10-2024 08:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-09-2024 03:21 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  And there is this gem from the swing state of Minnesota -

Automatic voter registration

Speaking of attestation, that’s a key part of another bill moving fast this week, one that provides automatic voter registration for everyone who gets a driver’s license. Democrats supporting both bills brushed off concerns that illegal immigrants receiving driver’s licenses would be able to register and vote. The driver’s license bill specifically prohibits the Department of Public Safety from sharing this information with any other agency, including the Secretary of State, preventing the cross-checking of new licensees with the voter database. House Democrats are relying completely on the honor system to prevent a non-citizen from cancelling out your vote.

https://www.americanexperiment.org/licen...d-to-vote/

Your link is a story from January of 2023.

Here's the actual process that Minnesota uses. Oops.

Quote:The verification process starts with a DVS employee reviewing the documentation provided by the applicant at current and previous transactions to determine if the applicant is a U.S. Citizen. If the applicant provided citizenship-affirming documentation, then their information will be sent to the Office of the Minnesota Secretary of State. If citizenship affirming documentation was not provided, no information is sent. State election officials will then conduct an additional review to verify that the applicant’s right to vote has not been taken away by a court. If confirmed, the applicant’s information will be provided to their county election office to be registered.

Applicants will be mailed an opt-out notice to their residence. If the opt-out is returned within 20 days, then the applicant will not be registered. If the opt-out notice is not returned, the voter will be registered to vote.

https://www.sos.state.mn.us/elections-vo...istration/

No "oops" on this one. I was already aware of the 1/23 date. Your link just shows that the Republicans caught on to what the Democrats were trying to push and caused some in house changes to be made. They only react rationally when they get caught, and even then, they often don't do the right thing. It's much the same as how Biden was said to be spry, sharp as a tack, outworking everybody around him, etc. until just a couple of weeks ago and now he is suddenly absurdly unfit for duty (LOL). Heck, Jake Tapper has even stated that he was told as much by an insider 2 years ago.

Your link is a step in the right direction, but it has too many moving parts and too many people involved. I also don't feel comfortable having DMV employees decide who gets to vote when their primary duty is to decide if someone is eligible to get a driver's license, a renewal, or to take a payment for something car related. The Safe Voting Act passed the House today with bipartisan support. No honest person should be voting against ANY bill that helps to ensure the integrity of our elections - which is all that this bill does.

Lastly, you failed to respond to the other post (#27) I made - which was right above the one you did respond to. Oops.

(07-10-2024 09:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-10-2024 08:59 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-08-2024 05:51 PM)shere khan Wrote:  It all really went to shite fast for the filth.

Since when do citizens have to police the government just to get laws on our books enforced by those who (a.) are supposed to know the laws they have already passed, and (b.) have as their purpose of existence the enforcement of those laws.

Can we not fire or hold criminally liable these jackasses for not doing their damn jobs and obstructing the justice they are supposed to seek!!!

At no time in our history have illegal aliens been permitted the damn vote!

What are you rambling about?

We have laws against all sorts of things, but that doesn't mean there's any way to stop them from ever being broken.

And illegal aliens have never been permitted to vote in federal elections. But there is a history of local jurisdictions allowing them to vote in local elections where they do pay taxes and were determined to be allowed to vote for the representation they pay for.

What a ridiculous bunch of garbage that paragraph is. Tens of thousands of illegals from China (for example) have infiltrated the country under Joe Biden's presidency. China has been buying up property around military bases throughout the country as if there was gold buried there. Do you honestly think that they should be participating in the local elections around there (because they pay for it)? NO!!! What should happen is that they get their a**es kicked out of the country pronto and take their taxes and Democrat Party granted voting rights with them!

(07-10-2024 07:58 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(07-10-2024 08:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-09-2024 03:21 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  And there is this gem from the swing state of Minnesota -

Automatic voter registration

Speaking of attestation, that’s a key part of another bill moving fast this week, one that provides automatic voter registration for everyone who gets a driver’s license. Democrats supporting both bills brushed off concerns that illegal immigrants receiving driver’s licenses would be able to register and vote. The driver’s license bill specifically prohibits the Department of Public Safety from sharing this information with any other agency, including the Secretary of State, preventing the cross-checking of new licensees with the voter database. House Democrats are relying completely on the honor system to prevent a non-citizen from cancelling out your vote.

https://www.americanexperiment.org/licen...d-to-vote/

Your link is a story from January of 2023.

Here's the actual process that Minnesota uses. Oops.

Quote:The verification process starts with a DVS employee reviewing the documentation provided by the applicant at current and previous transactions to determine if the applicant is a U.S. Citizen. If the applicant provided citizenship-affirming documentation, then their information will be sent to the Office of the Minnesota Secretary of State. If citizenship affirming documentation was not provided, no information is sent. State election officials will then conduct an additional review to verify that the applicant’s right to vote has not been taken away by a court. If confirmed, the applicant’s information will be provided to their county election office to be registered.

Applicants will be mailed an opt-out notice to their residence. If the opt-out is returned within 20 days, then the applicant will not be registered. If the opt-out notice is not returned, the voter will be registered to vote.

https://www.sos.state.mn.us/elections-vo...istration/

No "oops" on this one. I was already aware of the 1/23 date. Your link just shows that the Republicans caught on to what the Democrats were trying to push and caused some in house changes to be made. They only react rationally when they get caught, and even then, they often don't do the right thing. It's much the same as how Biden was said to be spry, sharp as a tack, outworking everybody around him, etc. until just a couple of weeks ago and now he is suddenly absurdly unfit for duty (LOL). Heck, Jake Tapper has even stated that he was told as much by an insider 2 years ago.

Your link is a step in the right direction, but it has too many moving parts and too many people involved. I also don't feel comfortable having DMV employees decide who gets to vote when their primary duty is to decide if someone is eligible to get a driver's license, a renewal, or to take a payment for something car related. The Safe Voting Act passed the House today with bipartisan support. No honest person should be voting against ANY bill that helps to ensure the integrity of our elections - which is all that this bill does.

Lastly, you failed to respond to the other post (#27) I made - which was right above the one you did respond to. Oops.

Oh, the one where you made the shocking? revelation that hundreds have been CAUGHT trying to claim this a huge problem when it's small and people get caught doing it?

And then you just proved, again, above that you don't understand how any of this works.

The law I cited clearly states that the SOS makes the final determination on who gets REGISTERED. And apparently you also don't know that merely being registered is not deciding who gets to VOTE. Registering and voting aren't the same thing!

(07-11-2024 08:12 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-10-2024 07:58 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(07-10-2024 08:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-09-2024 03:21 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  And there is this gem from the swing state of Minnesota -

Automatic voter registration

Speaking of attestation, that’s a key part of another bill moving fast this week, one that provides automatic voter registration for everyone who gets a driver’s license. Democrats supporting both bills brushed off concerns that illegal immigrants receiving driver’s licenses would be able to register and vote. The driver’s license bill specifically prohibits the Department of Public Safety from sharing this information with any other agency, including the Secretary of State, preventing the cross-checking of new licensees with the voter database. House Democrats are relying completely on the honor system to prevent a non-citizen from cancelling out your vote.

https://www.americanexperiment.org/licen...d-to-vote/

Your link is a story from January of 2023.

Here's the actual process that Minnesota uses. Oops.

Quote:The verification process starts with a DVS employee reviewing the documentation provided by the applicant at current and previous transactions to determine if the applicant is a U.S. Citizen. If the applicant provided citizenship-affirming documentation, then their information will be sent to the Office of the Minnesota Secretary of State. If citizenship affirming documentation was not provided, no information is sent. State election officials will then conduct an additional review to verify that the applicant’s right to vote has not been taken away by a court. If confirmed, the applicant’s information will be provided to their county election office to be registered.

Applicants will be mailed an opt-out notice to their residence. If the opt-out is returned within 20 days, then the applicant will not be registered. If the opt-out notice is not returned, the voter will be registered to vote.

https://www.sos.state.mn.us/elections-vo...istration/

No "oops" on this one. I was already aware of the 1/23 date. Your link just shows that the Republicans caught on to what the Democrats were trying to push and caused some in house changes to be made. They only react rationally when they get caught, and even then, they often don't do the right thing. It's much the same as how Biden was said to be spry, sharp as a tack, outworking everybody around him, etc. until just a couple of weeks ago and now he is suddenly absurdly unfit for duty (LOL). Heck, Jake Tapper has even stated that he was told as much by an insider 2 years ago.

Your link is a step in the right direction, but it has too many moving parts and too many people involved. I also don't feel comfortable having DMV employees decide who gets to vote when their primary duty is to decide if someone is eligible to get a driver's license, a renewal, or to take a payment for something car related. The Safe Voting Act passed the House today with bipartisan support. No honest person should be voting against ANY bill that helps to ensure the integrity of our elections - which is all that this bill does.

Lastly, you failed to respond to the other post (#27) I made - which was right above the one you did respond to. Oops.

Oh, the one where you made the shocking? revelation that hundreds have been CAUGHT trying to claim this a huge problem when it's small and people get caught doing it?

And then you just proved, again, above that you don't understand how any of this works.

The law I cited clearly states that the SOS makes the final determination on who gets REGISTERED. And apparently you also don't know that merely being registered is not deciding who gets to VOTE. Registering and voting aren't the same thing!

It's literally amazing how you overlook so much. You are one of those that can't see the forest for the trees. I'd bet that up until recently you felt that Biden was OK physically / mentally to serve as the president while many of us saw that it wasn't the case years ago.

Your link spelled out that they DMV got the "documentation" from the individual for them to determine if said individual was a "citizen" of this country. It says that the "information" is then forwarded to the SOS. It doesn't say that copies of the individual's documents are forwarded. The "information" forwarded could simply be a statement from the DMV worker that - "Yes, he's a citizen and should get to vote". Those DMV workers in that case could be involved in getting illegals to vote. The SOS review to see if the individual has had a court take away their right to vote wouldn't mean much in the bigger picture. If it stated that copies of the documents were forwarded to the SOS then that would put it in a different light, but it didn't say that and sets it up for people (DMV) to lie about it later by simply saying that they saw the proper documents. NOWHERE does it say that copies were made, much less that copies were forwarded. You know what they say about 'assumptions".

AGAIN - WHY ELSE would the Biden administration totally ignore CURRENT IMMIGRATION LAW and make sure that MILLIONS of ILLEGALS flood into the country if not to make them citizens or at the very least voting eligible???????? Good grief man, this administration broke federal laws just to get all of these invaders here and did it at light speed. Do you honestly believe that they wouldn't push this thing over the goal line by hook or crook - you know with Trump being a "THREAT TO DEMOCRACY (lol)" and all of that nonsense? We're talking about some serious law breakers here in high places of government who are desperately trying to hold onto their positions come November.

On the other thing, you have no clue at all that the illegal votes that were caught were the total of the illegal votes that happened. All we know for sure from that is that illegal votes happened - not the extent of it. For example, we know that fentanyl is coming across our southern border and a lot of it is "caught". That doesn't mean that all of it is caught. To use the thought process that you applied to the illegal votes it would mean just that - i.e. all of it was caught (or what wasn't was "small").

Nevermind all of Tom's obfuscation.... how could anybody be against a law preventing illegals from voting?

(07-11-2024 11:55 AM)b2b Wrote:  Nevermind all of Tom's obfuscation.... how could anybody be against a law preventing illegals from voting?

They. Aren't. Allowed. To. Vote. Already. Under. Existing. Law.

(07-11-2024 12:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-11-2024 11:55 AM)b2b Wrote:  Nevermind all of Tom's obfuscation.... how could anybody be against a law preventing illegals from voting?

They. Aren't. Allowed. To. Vote. Already. Under. Existing. Law.

Not Allowed =/= Enforcement

(07-11-2024 12:16 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(07-11-2024 12:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-11-2024 11:55 AM)b2b Wrote:  Nevermind all of Tom's obfuscation.... how could anybody be against a law preventing illegals from voting?

They. Aren't. Allowed. To. Vote. Already. Under. Existing. Law.

Not Allowed =/= Enforcement

Oh FFS, do you have clue one what states do with their elections? You honestly think states like Florida and Texas just allow anyone to vote?

This is nothing more than big government and a waste of time and money. Something the GOP leaders in DC do best.

(07-11-2024 12:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-11-2024 12:16 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(07-11-2024 12:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-11-2024 11:55 AM)b2b Wrote:  Nevermind all of Tom's obfuscation.... how could anybody be against a law preventing illegals from voting?

They. Aren't. Allowed. To. Vote. Already. Under. Existing. Law.

Not Allowed =/= Enforcement

Oh FFS, do you have clue one what states do with their elections? You honestly think states like Florida and Texas just allow anyone to vote?

This is nothing more than big government and a waste of time and money. Something the GOP leaders in DC do best.

So you are strongly against the Democrats "NEW" Border Security Bill then? Right?

I mean, they weren't following the EXISTING Border Security LAWS so we must need some new ones, right?

(07-11-2024 12:16 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(07-11-2024 12:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-11-2024 11:55 AM)b2b Wrote:  Nevermind all of Tom's obfuscation.... how could anybody be against a law preventing illegals from voting?

They. Aren't. Allowed. To. Vote. Already. Under. Existing. Law.

Not Allowed =/= Enforcement

Right on both counts +3.

(07-11-2024 12:51 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(07-11-2024 12:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-11-2024 12:16 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(07-11-2024 12:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-11-2024 11:55 AM)b2b Wrote:  Nevermind all of Tom's obfuscation.... how could anybody be against a law preventing illegals from voting?

They. Aren't. Allowed. To. Vote. Already. Under. Existing. Law.

Not Allowed =/= Enforcement

Oh FFS, do you have clue one what states do with their elections? You honestly think states like Florida and Texas just allow anyone to vote?

This is nothing more than big government and a waste of time and money. Something the GOP leaders in DC do best.

So you are strongly against the Democrats "NEW" Border Security Bill then? Right?

I mean, they weren't following the EXISTING Border Security LAWS so we must need some new ones, right?

Not sure what bill you're referring to. But I was in favor of the one that was a bi-partisan agreement that trump had killed so he could pass the same thing next year and take credit for it.

Immigration has been a failure of both parties for many years. Congress has sat on this for decades and that's the main reason it is so ****** up currently.

That being said, trying to compare that piece of legislation to this unneeded one just shows how little you understand the issues at play here.

(07-11-2024 12:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-11-2024 11:55 AM)b2b Wrote:  Nevermind all of Tom's obfuscation.... how could anybody be against a law preventing illegals from voting?

They. Aren't. Allowed. To. Vote. Already. Under. Existing. Law.

They.don't.seem.interested.in.enforcing.the.laws.then.

Carry that water, tom, carry that water.

Wouldn't just requiring that you have to give a full and valid SSN to register to vote close any potential gap here without being overly onerous on valid US citizens who absolutely shouldn't have any risk of having their right to vote infringed on in any way? If you haven't memorized your SSN then yeah you probably shouldn't be allowed to vote.

(07-11-2024 01:52 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Wouldn't just requiring that you have to give a full and valid SSN to register to vote close any potential gap here without being overly onerous on valid US citizens who absolutely shouldn't have any risk of having their right to vote infringed on in any way? If you haven't memorized your SSN then yeah you probably shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Probably not. Dems would come out and say black people are too dumb to memorize their SSN or something.

(07-11-2024 01:23 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(07-11-2024 12:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-11-2024 11:55 AM)b2b Wrote:  Nevermind all of Tom's obfuscation.... how could anybody be against a law preventing illegals from voting?

They. Aren't. Allowed. To. Vote. Already. Under. Existing. Law.

They.don't.seem.interested.in.enforcing.the.laws.then.

Reality paints an entirely different picture. Take a look sometime.

(07-11-2024 01:52 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Wouldn't just requiring that you have to give a full and valid SSN to register to vote close any potential gap here without being overly onerous on valid US citizens who absolutely shouldn't have any risk of having their right to vote infringed on in any way? If you haven't memorized your SSN then yeah you probably shouldn't be allowed to vote.

My proposal is to issue a SSN and add them to a federal database of voters, when they reach the legal age, at the same time the birth certificate is completed.

(07-11-2024 02:06 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(07-11-2024 01:52 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Wouldn't just requiring that you have to give a full and valid SSN to register to vote close any potential gap here without being overly onerous on valid US citizens who absolutely shouldn't have any risk of having their right to vote infringed on in any way? If you haven't memorized your SSN then yeah you probably shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Probably not. Dems would come out and say black people are too dumb to memorize their SSN or something.

That's not answering the question I asked, not that I ever expected an answer.

(07-11-2024 12:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-11-2024 11:55 AM)b2b Wrote:  Nevermind all of Tom's obfuscation.... how could anybody be against a law preventing illegals from voting?

They. Aren't. Allowed. To. Vote. Already. Under. Existing. Law.

It's also against the law for them to enter the country illegally yet here they are.