(06-24-2022 03:21 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 03:16 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 02:08 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 12:50 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:40 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  Considerably more than zero, 861 in the US in 2020 -

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/mat...s-2020.htm

This will surely go up now, if women who die from unsafe back-alley abortions are classified as maternal deaths.

861 versus millions of dead babies? I'll still take those odds.

Tell me Satan, how many of them would still be alive if they only used contraception during sex? Probably all of them, huh?

Congratulations, you are a proud member of the "Bola de Pendejos Club".

Pretty sure contraception and pregnancy is a 2 way street. Are we going to have an extreme rethinking of the mans financial role in all this from the point of conception? So men should owe child support the day of conception now right?

Yeah we have a provision for that. Its called marriage. I dont think it covers screwing around and getting knocked up.

So is the man not "screwing around" to get that woman knocked up? Is he acting any less irresponsible than the woman?

The man doesnt get pregnant. So yeah. If i thought screwing a woman would get me pregnant i would he super damn careful.

You really dont unferstand tens of thousands of years of evolution. Suckle your soy nipple and cry to someone that gives a shite.

If you are a man dont dump your load in every frickin hoe that will let you.

It aint complicated. Tough break. Your hoe isnt guranteed the right under the Constitution to kill her baby.

(06-24-2022 03:27 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 03:14 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Despite me being a leftist and disagreeing with plenty here there's actually a point I couldn't agree with you more about. The need to incentivize families to stay together, incentivizing marriage, and quite frankly there's a long term need to incentivize families to have more children. Asking you this in legitimate good faith, what would you like to see to incentivize these things?

Not only do the Democrats NOT support those things, they work tirelessly to tear them down because it makes people more dependent upon the state.

The left is in a full scale war against traditional marriage and the nuclear family.

I'm not a Democrat, Democrats suck.

(06-24-2022 02:32 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I would never counsel anyone

America really is having quite a good day

(06-24-2022 03:30 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 03:21 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 03:16 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 02:08 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 12:50 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  861 versus millions of dead babies? I'll still take those odds.

Tell me Satan, how many of them would still be alive if they only used contraception during sex? Probably all of them, huh?

Congratulations, you are a proud member of the "Bola de Pendejos Club".

Pretty sure contraception and pregnancy is a 2 way street. Are we going to have an extreme rethinking of the mans financial role in all this from the point of conception? So men should owe child support the day of conception now right?

Yeah we have a provision for that. Its called marriage. I dont think it covers screwing around and getting knocked up.

So is the man not "screwing around" to get that woman knocked up? Is he acting any less irresponsible than the woman?

The man doesnt get pregnant. So yeah. If i thought screwing a woman would get me pregnant i would he super damn careful.

You really dont unferstand tens of thousands of years of evolution. Suckle your soy nipple and cry to someone that gives a shite.

If you are a man dont dump your load in every frickin hoe that will let you.

It aint complicated. Tough break. Your hoe isnt guranteed the right under the Constitution to kill her baby.

So it's just her baby and not the mans baby as well?

(06-24-2022 03:27 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 03:14 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Despite me being a leftist and disagreeing with plenty here there's actually a point I couldn't agree with you more about. The need to incentivize families to stay together, incentivizing marriage, and quite frankly there's a long term need to incentivize families to have more children. Asking you this in legitimate good faith, what would you like to see to incentivize these things?

Not only do the Democrats NOT support those things, they work tirelessly to tear them down because it makes people more dependent upon the state.

The left is in a full scale war against traditional marriage and the nuclear family.

the irony: it's called 'pump out the pugs whilst I sip on muh 44 oz ... where's my meatloaf, biatch!"

they're incentivized, alright ... 'their' gov't has provided them the means to 'their way' on the lazy arse river or piss off ... too many never had an opportunity based on the lack of 'father figure/family enviro' that promotes self-worth --->>> incentivized self-value ...

#muhGreatSociety

(06-24-2022 03:25 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  A lot of talk of personal responsibility, which I 100% agree with.

What about rape victims? Quite a few of these states do not have a provision for them. However small a percentage of overall abortions those are, I don't think it's right to tell a woman who has been raped if she finds out she's pregnant after 6 weeks she's SOL.

If as a reasonable society we can't come up with policy that handles this situation then we are lost as a functioning nation. There are plenty of reasonable options to prevent a pregnancy resulting from a "reported" rape.

I'll be happy to strat working with you from there. It's a start, but it will help. On that we can both agree! Thank you.

OH, alright, since you asked, give me a minute to type a response (was fixing the quote errors in the re-post). Can I start a new thread for this to get this important discussion away from just the SC case reaction on this one? Give me a minute and I'll repost a new thread, because this is a discussion I've been waiting for for years...

Heres' the new Thread for this discussion,hopefully:
GOING FORWARD: MARRIAGE and FAMILY in a Post-Roe World

https://csnbbs.com/thread-949603.html

(06-24-2022 03:35 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 02:32 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I would never counsel anyone

America really is having quite a good day

the America I adore is ... 'murica is getting their arse whooped...

(06-24-2022 03:38 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 03:35 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 02:32 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I would never counsel anyone

America really is having quite a good day

the America I adore is ... 'murica is getting their arse whooped...

(06-24-2022 02:19 PM)scorpius Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 02:17 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 02:09 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Actually they can.

States ban pot. Yet it's all over the streets. Who cares what states do if there is public demand. It still gets around. The issue is the fact that when people get caught, whether they actually get in trouble or not is usually based on discrimination in these circumstances. And that builds the egos of terrorists.

You can say the same thing about guns... but that doesnt stop the left from trying to ban them.

Seems like the day after pill could eliminate all need for abortions in the case of rape/incest.

The pool of extreme cases that needs abortion is shrinking smaller and smaller.

(06-24-2022 03:41 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Seems like the day after pill could eliminate all need for abortions in the case of rape.

The pool of extreme cases that needs abortion is shrinking smaller and smaller.

I just had that convo with someone today ... it's really simple these days if ya give a shite about any version of life (be it thine or any future others)

#simpleguy

(06-24-2022 03:41 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Seems like the day after pill could eliminate all need for abortions in the case of rape/incest.

The pool of extreme cases that needs abortion is shrinking smaller and smaller.

That is the ideal scenario yes, but LA and ID have already began discussing bans on emergency contraceptives. Conservatives should speak loudly against leaders that wish to ban those.

(06-24-2022 03:41 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Seems like the day after pill could eliminate all need for abortions in the case of rape.

The pool of extreme cases that needs abortion is shrinking smaller and smaller.

I agree. Im am however wondering to handle those that are afraid to report a rape. I understand that there is pretty high percentage of rapes that go unreported for a variety of reasons. It looks like we might just need to put Plan B in the same drug category as regular contraceptives to cover this issue.

(06-24-2022 03:47 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 03:41 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Seems like the day after pill could eliminate all need for abortions in the case of rape/incest.

The pool of extreme cases that needs abortion is shrinking smaller and smaller.

That is the ideal scenario yes, but LA and ID have already began discussing bans on emergency contraceptives. Conservatives should speak loudly against leaders that wish to ban those.

I agree.

(06-24-2022 03:47 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 03:41 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Seems like the day after pill could eliminate all need for abortions in the case of rape/incest.

The pool of extreme cases that needs abortion is shrinking smaller and smaller.

That is the ideal scenario yes, but LA and ID have already began discussing bans on emergency contraceptives. Conservatives should speak loudly against leaders that wish to ban those.

There are going to be a slew of loony tunes discussions in red and blue states going both ways. Both sides need to police their extremists.

I wouldn't hold my breath though.

(06-24-2022 03:41 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Seems like the day after pill could eliminate all need for abortions in the case of rape/incest.

The pool of extreme cases that needs abortion is shrinking smaller and smaller.

Read somewhere that incest and rape count for less than 1% of abortions...

To All Posters Reporting Posts In This Thread For Religious Content: This Case Inherently Was Based In a Religious Belief of The Sanctity of Life vs Human Need to End One. For The Purposes of This Thread on This Topic Religious Belief Is Pertinent to The Topic. Complaints Disallowed!

(06-24-2022 03:53 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 03:41 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Seems like the day after pill could eliminate all need for abortions in the case of rape/incest.

The pool of extreme cases that needs abortion is shrinking smaller and smaller.

Read somewhere that incest and rape count for less than 1% of abortions...

If you make those loopholes you'll see that percentage increase.

(06-24-2022 03:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  To All Posters Reporting Posts In This Thread For Religious Content: This Case Inherently Was Based In a Religious Belief of The Sanctity of Life vs Human Need to End One. For The Purposes of This Thread on This Topic Religious Belief Is Pertinent to The Topic. Complaints Disallowed!

LMAO were people really reporting this thread?

The left is REALLY not handling this well.