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RE: HISTORY: Roe v Wade falls
(06-24-2022 09:33 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  What happens next? Women will die. Others will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Children will be born into households that cannot and do not want to take care of them.

Women with means will still be able to get to blue states to get the operation performed. This includes the mistresses and the daughters of prominent GOP donors and members of congress.

And lastly, hopefully this motivates the 2/3rds of Americans who did not want to see Roe v Wade overturned to show up to the polls. I still think the Dems are going to take a beating in November but this will definitely blunt it IMO.

Q: Why do Demokkkrats go along so willingly with the idea that it is their own children who most deserve to be murdered? I mean, how stupid is that?

(06-24-2022 12:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  What about women being responsible for whether they get pregnant in the first place?

Not to mention, there are long lines of good people wanting to adopt.

Plus, they can always get in a car and go to a blue state.

Already have seen more than a few posts here and comments elsewhere speaking to the shifting of responsibility and the actual place the Real "choice" takes place: when the Man and Woman decide to have sex (same-sex couples don't have the issue, because, well, Science says that unnatural liaisons don't produce anything because they are unnatural and disordered.)

Q: The Interstate implications of traveling from a State where baby-murder is illegal to one where baby-murder may still be considered legal will keep the Courts busy for a while. Reciprocal agreements, the Commerce Clause, Federal Jurisdiction and enforcement of interstate law are potentially going to be brought front and center here. The only "solution" in that case may well be that one actually has to move to and legally reside in the State where they want to murder their children that allows it.

Perhaps a Pakistan-India type resettling would occur, and then the final Divide can commence. One side hell-bent on self-murder, spending money they don't have, and creating a modern American third-world Communist state that will fall into destruction, hyper-inflation, criminality and unrest that makes this year look like a cakewalk--and the other a Constitution-loving Republic of Prosperity, National Strength, Freedom, Liberty and Equal Opportunity for all who abide by the laws.

Edit: I'd go ahead and invite Alberta, Canada to the Freedom side, they have lots of Oil, too, and we love that and could really use it now to power our gasoline IC engines! Let the rest of the Lefties fight over their "EVs" without any way to provide themselves power ('cepting they's Unicorns, of course!)

(06-24-2022 12:17 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Pretty certain there's gotta be some semen from somewhere to get a woman pregnant. So are we going to have a complete revamp of the mans financial responsibility for getting a woman pregnant in these states where abortion gets outlawed?

Not sure I'd be looking at it in socialist terms. First, How about changing Marriage laws to allow for Equal Treatment as well as aligning with ALL other Contract/agreement Laws where the BREACHING PARTY is the one who loses and the one who is willing to stay in the Marriage an NOT breach is awarded the rebuttable presumption.

END ALL NO-FAULT DIVORCE WHERE CHILDREN OF THE UNION ARE PRESENT AND REQUIRE PROVABLE GROUNDS.

(06-24-2022 12:17 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Also I like the "just carry the baby to term and give it up for adoption" pretending that getting medical care being pregnant is just free or something and that there are zero short and long term health risks from being pregnant even aside from just the potential of dying during childbirth (which in a lot of the states that will ban abortion their mortality rates are at the level of some 3rd world countries).

Ahem, NO ONE has an unfettered "Right" to have sex whenever, wherever they want without consequences. Maybe re-introducing some responsibility and consequences for decisions made (whether rational or not) will be a good thing in the long run: "Don't be like that guy who got a girl pregnant and now has to pay for their decision." Also: "Don't be like that girl who allows herself to be getting pregnant out-of-wedlock and lives in poverty and chaos."

Stigma and Shame can be a good thing in society if allowed to properly function without being covered over by gub'mint welfares and expensive (and failed) Demokkkrat "programs" that other people (i.e. Legal Citizen Taxpayers) have for too long been made to pay for. The only people who SHOULD pay are the ones making the bad decisions and acting irresponsibly.

(06-24-2022 02:04 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  I agree. No more out-of-wedlock births and single mothers raising children. Force men to be fathers and husbands. That's one of the BEST things we could do to turn this nation around.

No more following the Marxist philosophy of "abolishing the family."

First, ALLOW MEN to be FATHERS without taking that Right away from them by forcibly breaking up their families when they don't want them to be broken up. This doesn't apply to all situations, of course, but far too many millions of men who otherwise might stay in their children's lives are forcibly removed by State interference in their families simply because the Mothers filed motions to get "their money" from both the state welfares programs and extort it from the Fathers with no recourse. For decades and decades, too many Men have recognized what a bunch of Bu77$#it the State "family" court "systems" are and have become turning them into nothing more than the Modern American Plantation System. When you recognize Bu77$#it you refuse to participate and resist Bu77$#it, an that is what has been happening in ALL communities, but ESPECIALLY in Black and Brown communities for 60 years.

There is little positive incentive to get married in the U.S. for men, but a whole lot of downside, and taxation inequality is just one aspect. Restoring the BENEFITS of MARRIAGE so that it once again becomes something ALL Legal Citizens aspire to, and refuse to allow walk-aways without consequences from ETHER the man or the woman, but especially from the Woman, who have gotten away with another form of murder for too long, at the expense of the Children once again.

Taking Responsibility for who you shack up with is a good thing to have return to society.

Now for those men who are criminals, who have records, who have been lied to that "freedom" is getting high or drunk all the time and wearing your pants around your knees, or anyone residing here in this country illegally well, they DO need to be held accountable instead of being coddled (and booked and released repeatedly like the Demokkkrats wet dream idea of "law enforcement".

SOCIALISM CAUSES SOCIAL PROBLEMS it NEVER cures them.

Quote:In case you aren't aware, that's exactly what Crisis Pregnancy Centers do. You know, those places the radical marxist leftist terrorists have been vandalizing and fire-bombing? They help women thru their pregnancies -- emotionally, financially and medically.

As far as health affects(sic) from being pregnant -- actually there's more a detrimental health risk to women that have never given birth. Having an abortion and not actually giving birth is very harmful to a woman's future health.

As far as the potential of dying during childbirth... yes, it happens. But thankfully it's so low statistically. And somehow the human race has flourished in spite of that "threat".

I know and support many of the people who work at crisis pregnancy centers and assure you the care only begins with the decision to save the life of the child, many have networks of people who work with the Mothers (and Fathers in some cases) for years or a decade or more to continue to provide VOLUNTARY support for them, as well as help teach them life and Parenting skills the Left doesn't ever want them to know about. Oh, they might also suggest a church to them once in a while or speak about God (the horror!)

There are a ton of benefits for a woman to carry a baby to term, including reduced Breast Cancer risk, which many women, especially poor Demokkkrat-indoctrinated woman, have never even heard of because the Scientific FACTS have been intentionally hidden from them by the Leftist ho would rather they pay THEM to KILL their babies, resulting in the corporate multi-billion dollar baby-murder industry.



In Summary, this one decision could very much HELP American Society and Women in the long run by exposing the Lies of Leftist ideology for what they really are: Leftists are and always have been extremely Anti-Women, Anti-Family and Anti-American, and it it time for it to STOP! A reexamination of priorities and responsibilities, marriage, divorce and tax laws that include making FAMILY and MARRIAGE the number one priorities are long overdue.
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RE: HISTORY: Roe v Wade falls
(06-24-2022 02:22 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  I am fully in favor of making the "sperm donors" 50% financially responsible for raising their children from confirmation of their parentage and 70% responsible if they don't want to participate in the child's life.

Most of the problems we face in this country are related to too many men shirking their responsibilities as men.

Must get rid of No-Fault Divorce option when children of the union come into being. Grounds only, provable in Court. Stop the Madness. Make Marriage worthwhile again.

Simplest would be to make Marriage Vows enforceable Contracts and get rid of all Family Courts. But too many C-student "lawyers" and ambulance-chaser types would not like that, would they, now?
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RE: HISTORY: Roe v Wade falls
(06-24-2022 03:07 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(06-24-2022 09:33 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  What happens next? Women will die. Others will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Children will be born into households that cannot and do not want to take care of them.

Women with means will still be able to get to blue states to get the operation performed. This includes the mistresses and the daughters of prominent GOP donors and members of congress.

And lastly, hopefully this motivates the 2/3rds of Americans who did not want to see Roe v Wade overturned to show up to the polls. I still think the Dems are going to take a beating in November but this will definitely blunt it IMO.

Q: Why do Demokkkrats go along so willingly with the idea that it is their own children who most deserve to be murdered? I mean, how stupid is that?

(06-24-2022 12:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  What about women being responsible for whether they get pregnant in the first place?

Not to mention, there are long lines of good people wanting to adopt.

Plus, they can always get in a car and go to a blue state.

Already have seen more than a few posts here and comments elsewhere speaking to the shifting of responsibility and the actual place the Real "choice" takes place: when the Man and Woman decide to have sex (same-sex couples don't have the issue, because, well, Science says that unnatural liaisons don't produce anything because they are unnatural and disordered.)

Q: The Interstate implications of traveling from a State where baby-murder is illegal to one where baby-murder may still be considered legal will keep the Courts busy for a while. Reciprocal agreements, the Commerce Clause, Federal Jurisdiction and enforcement of interstate law are potentially going to be brought front and center here. The only "solution" in that case may well be that one actually has to move to and legally reside in the State where they want to murder their children that allows it.

Perhaps a Pakistan-India type resettling would occur, and then the final Divide can commence. One side hell-bent on self-murder, spending money they don't have, and creating a modern American third-world Communist state that will fall into destruction, hyper0inflation, criminality and unrest that makes this year look like a cakewalk--and the other a Constitution-loving Republic of Prosperity, National Strength, Freedom, Liberty and Equal Opportunity for all who abide by the laws.

(06-24-2022 12:17 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Pretty certain there's gotta be some semen from somewhere to get a woman pregnant. So are we going to have a complete revamp of the mans financial responsibility for getting a woman pregnant in these states where abortion gets outlawed?

Not sure I'd be looking at it in socialist terms. First, How about changing Marriage laws to allow for Equal Treatment as well as aligning with ALL other Contract/agreement Laws where the BREACHING PARTY is the one who loses and the one who is willing to stay in the Marriage an NOT breach is awarded the rebuttable presumption.

END ALL NO-FAULT DIVORCE WHERE CHILDREN OF THE UNION ARE PRESENT AND REQUIRE PROVABLE GROUNDS.

(06-24-2022 12:17 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Also I like the "just carry the baby to term and give it up for adoption" pretending that getting medical care being pregnant is just free or something and that there are zero short and long term health risks from being pregnant even aside from just the potential of dying during childbirth (which in a lot of the states that will ban abortion their mortality rates are at the level of some 3rd world countries).

Ahem, NO ONE has an unfettered "Right" to have sex whenever, wherever they want without consequences. Maybe re-introducing some responsibility and consequences for decisions made (whether rational or not) will be a good thing in the long run: "Don't be like that guy who got a girl pregnant and now has to pay for their decision." Also: "Don't be like that girl who allows herself to be getting pregnant out-of-wedlock and lives in poverty and chaos."

Stigma and Shame can be a good thing in society if allowed to properly function without being covered over by gub'mint welfares and expensive (and failed) Demokkkrat "programs" that other people (i.e. Legal Citizen Taxpayers) have for too long been made to pay for. The only people who SHOULD pay are the ones making the bad decisions and acting irresponsibly.

(06-24-2022 02:04 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  I agree. No more out-of-wedlock births and single mothers raising children. Force men to be fathers and husbands. That's one of the BEST things we could do to turn this nation around.

No more following the Marxist philosophy of "abolishing the family."

First, ALLOW MEN to be FATHERS without taking that Right away from them by forcibly breaking up their families when they don't want them to be broken up. This doesn't apply to all situations, of course, but far too many millions of men who otherwise might stay in their children's lives are forcibly removed by State interference in their families simply because the Mothers filed motions to get "their money" from both the state welfares programs and extort it from the Fathers with no recourse. For decades and decades, too many Men have recognized what a bunch of Bu77$#it the State "family" court "systems" are and have become turning them into nothing more than the Modern American Plantation System. When you recognize Bu77$#it you refuse to participate and resist Bu77$#it, an that is what has been happening in ALL communities, but ESPECIALLY in Black and Brown communities for 60 years.

There is little positive incentive to get married in the U.S. for men, but a whole lot of downside, and taxation inequality is just one aspect. Restoring the BENEFITS of MARRIAGE so that it once again becomes something ALL Legal Citizens aspire to, and refuse to allow walk-aways without consequences from ETHER the man or the woman, but especially from the Woman, who have gotten away with another form of murder for too long, at the expense of the Children once again.

Taking Responsibility for who you shack up with is a good thing to have return to society.

Now for those men who are criminals, who have records, who have been lied to that "freedom" is getting high or drunk all the time and wearing your pants around your knees, or anyone residing here in this country illegally well, they DO need to be held accountable instead of being coddled (and booked and released repeatedly like the Demokkkrats wet dream idea of "law enforcement".

SOCIALISM CAUSES SOCIAL PROBLEMS it NEVER cures them.


[color=#0000CD]In case you aren't aware, that's exactly what Crisis Pregnancy Centers do. You know, those places the radical marxist leftist terrorists have been vandalizing and fire-bombing? They help women thru their pregnancies -- emotionally, financially and medically.

As far as health affects from being pregnant -- actually there's more a detrimental health risk to women that have never given birth. Having an abortion and not actually giving birth is very harmful to a woman's future health.

As far as the potential of dying during childbirth... yes, it happens. But thankfully it's so low statistically. And somehow the human race has flourished in spite of that "threat".

I know and support many of the people who work at crisis pregnancy centers and assure you the care only begins with the decision to save the life of the child, many have networks of people who work with the Mothers (and Fathers in some cases) for years or a decade or more to continue to provide VOUNTARY support for them, as well as help teach them life and Parenting skills the Left doesn't ever want them to know about. Oh, they might also suggest a church to them once in a while or speak about God (the horror!)

There are a ton of benefits for a woman to carry a baby to term, including reduced Breast Cancer risk, which many women, especially poor Demokkkrat-indoctrinated woman, have never even heard of because the Scientific FACTS have been intentionally hidden from them by the Leftist ho would rather they pay THEM to KILL their babies, resulting in the corporate multi-billion dollar baby-murder industry.



In Summary, this one decision could very much HELP American Society and Women in the long run by exposing the Lies of Leftist ideology for what they really are: Leftists are and always have been extremely Anti-Women, Anti-Family and Anti-American, and it it time for it to STOP! A reexamination of priorities and responsibilities, marriage, divorce and tax laws that include making FAMILY and MARRIAGE the number one priorities are long overdue.
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Despite me being a leftist and disagreeing with plenty here there's actually a point I couldn't agree with you more about. The need to incentivize families to stay together, incentivizing marriage, and quite frankly there's a long term need to incentivize families to have more children. Asking you this in legitimate good faith, what would you like to see to incentivize these things?
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(06-24-2022 10:46 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  And lest there be any doubt as to the next goals zealots have for this iteration of the Supreme Court, Justice Thomas makes it crystal clear -

Thomas wrote, “In future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell.”

Griswold = birth control
Lawrence = homosexual sex
Obergefell = same-sex marriage

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-bat...tq-rights/

HOORAY! I'm all for it.

DO IT!

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(06-24-2022 02:20 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(06-24-2022 02:04 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(06-24-2022 12:17 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(06-24-2022 12:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(06-24-2022 09:33 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  What happens next? Women will die. Others will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Children will be born into households that cannot and do not want to take care of them.

Women with means will still be able to get to blue states to get the operation performed. This includes the mistresses and the daughters of prominent GOP donors and members of congress.

And lastly, hopefully this motivates the 2/3rds of Americans who did not want to see Roe v Wade overturned to show up to the polls. I still think the Dems are going to take a beating in November but this will definitely blunt it IMO.

What about women being responsible for whether they get pregnant in the first place?

Not to mention, there are long lines of good people wanting to adopt.

Plus, they can always get in a car and go to a blue state.

Pretty certain there's gotta be some semen from somewhere to get a woman pregnant. So are we going to have a complete revamp of the mans financial responsibility for getting a woman pregnant in these states where abortion gets outlawed?

Also I like the "just carry the baby to term and give it up for adoption" pretending that getting medical care being pregnant is just free or something and that there are zero short and long term health risks from being pregnant even aside from just the potential of dying during childbirth (which in a lot of the states that will ban abortion their mortality rates are at the level of some 3rd world countries).

https://gradynewsource.uga.edu/in-georgi...ave-lives/

I agree. No more out-of-wedlock births and single mothers raising children. Force men to be fathers and husbands. That's one of the BEST things we could do to turn this nation around.

No more following the Marxist philosophy of "abolishing the family."


In case you aren't aware, that's exactly what Crisis Pregnancy Centers do. You know, those places the radical marxist leftist terrorists have been vandalizing and fire-bombing? They help women thru their pregnancies -- emotionally, financially and medically.

As far as health affects from being pregnant -- actually there's more a detrimental health risk to women that have never given birth. Having an abortion and not actually giving birth is very harmful to a woman's future health.

As far as the potential of dying during childbirth... yes, it happens. But thankfully it's so low statistically. And somehow the human race has flourished in spite of that "threat".

Per the CDC
In 2020, 861 women were identified as having died of maternal causes in the United States, compared with 754 in 2019

Guttmacher Institute
US Abortions in 2020 - 930,160

Very much ignoring the other health concerns from pregnancy, like gestational diabetes which has more than 200,000 cases per year, which can greatly increase your chances of developing type 2 diabetes. So are these states who now mandate you have children going to ensure these mothers have the care necessary to protect these precious lives?

https://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/basics/gestational.html

200,000 cases per year of gestational diabetes

3,605,201 births for the United States in 2020

As far as that gestational diabetes thing goes... seems like the CDC has it figured out...

Quote:Testing for Gestational Diabetes
It’s important to be tested for gestational diabetes so you can begin treatment to protect your health and your baby’s health.

Gestational diabetes usually develops around the 24th week of pregnancy, so you’ll probably be tested between 24 and 28 weeks.

If you’re at higher risk for gestational diabetes, your doctor may test you earlier. Blood sugar that’s higher than normal early in your pregnancy may indicate you have type 1 or type 2 diabetes rather than gestational diabetes.

Prevention
Before you get pregnant, you may be able to prevent gestational diabetes by losing weight if you’re overweight and getting regular physical activity.

Don’t try to lose weight if you’re already pregnant. You’ll need to gain some weight—but not too quickly—for your baby to be healthy. Talk to your doctor about how much weight you should gain for a healthy pregnancy.

Treatment for Gestational Diabetes
You can do a lot to manage your gestational diabetes. Go to all your prenatal appointments and follow your treatment plan, including:
  • Checking your blood sugar to make sure your levels stay in a healthy range.
  • Eating healthy food in the right amounts at the right times. Follow a healthy eating plan created by your doctor or dietitian.
  • Being active. Regular physical activity that’s moderately intense (such as brisk walking) lowers your blood sugar and makes you more sensitive to insulin so your body won’t need as much. Make sure to check with your doctor about what kind of physical activity you can do and if there are any kinds you should avoid.
  • Monitoring your baby. Your doctor will check your baby’s growth and development.
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(06-24-2022 02:08 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(06-24-2022 12:50 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  
(06-24-2022 09:40 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  
(06-24-2022 09:36 AM)Kyle Mack Wrote:  
(06-24-2022 09:33 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  What happens next? Women will die. Others will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Children will be born into households that cannot and do not want to take care of them.

Women with means will still be able to get to blue states to get the operation performed. This includes the mistresses and the daughters of prominent GOP donors and members of congress.

And lastly, hopefully this motivates the 2/3rds of Americans who did not want to see Roe v Wade overturned to show up to the polls. I still think the Dems are going to take a beating in November but this will definitely blunt it IMO.

LOL how many woman died during childbirth last year, 0? It goes back to the states skyscreamer.

Considerably more than zero, 861 in the US in 2020 -

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/mat...s-2020.htm

This will surely go up now, if women who die from unsafe back-alley abortions are classified as maternal deaths.

861 versus millions of dead babies? I'll still take those odds.

Tell me Satan, how many of them would still be alive if they only used contraception during sex? Probably all of them, huh?

Congratulations, you are a proud member of the "Bola de Pendejos Club".

Pretty sure contraception and pregnancy is a 2 way street. Are we going to have an extreme rethinking of the mans financial role in all this from the point of conception? So men should owe child support the day of conception now right?

Yeah we have a provision for that. Its called marriage. I dont think it covers screwing around and getting knocked up.
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(06-24-2022 02:51 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(06-24-2022 02:30 PM)b2b Wrote:  
(06-24-2022 02:23 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(06-24-2022 02:17 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(06-24-2022 02:08 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Pretty sure contraception and pregnancy is a 2 way street. Are we going to have an extreme rethinking of the mans financial role in all this from the point of conception? So men should owe child support the day of conception now right?

Yup. You should also now be able to claim a tax deduction for your fetus as well.

Fair point, if life starts at conception that's a dependent the second an egg is fertilized.
I'd have zero problem with that considering there is medical care needed for pregnant mothers.

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Considering the declining birth rate and rapid aging of the US population there needs to be a serious discussion about how to incentivize people to have more children. I'm 35, have been working full time for over a decade, and just now am in a position financially where I feel like I could afford to have and support a child, and that's really only because of a few promotions and being insanely fortunate to now have a rent free house to live in. When I was paying 1200 a month for a 1 bedroom apartment (and I don't even want to look at what my apartment would cost now) I couldn't have afforded that and I had a pretty solid job at the time. Conservatives love to pine for the days when women stayed home and took care of the children. I would be thrilled if that were an option but what kind of single salary would you need to make at this point to comfortably take care of a family of yourself, your wife and multiple children? To rent a place large enough for that family anywhere near Raleigh you'd be looking at a minimum of 2k a month, and to buy a house well good luck.

If you wait until you can afford to have kids chances are you'll never have them because you'll be too old.

Get married, enjoy being a newlywed, and then start having kids.

Life is much more enjoyable that way.

And chances are, even though you can't afford it, you'll figure it out somehow and won't end up living in a box behind a dumpster.
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(06-24-2022 09:34 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(06-24-2022 09:33 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  What happens next? Women will die. Others will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Children will be born into households that cannot and do not want to take care of them.

Its like some of the low iq people in this nation has never heard of adoption.

....or contraception, personal responsibility and common sense.07-coffee3
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(06-24-2022 03:16 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(06-24-2022 02:08 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(06-24-2022 12:50 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  
(06-24-2022 09:40 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  
(06-24-2022 09:36 AM)Kyle Mack Wrote:  LOL how many woman died during childbirth last year, 0? It goes back to the states skyscreamer.

Considerably more than zero, 861 in the US in 2020 -

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/mat...s-2020.htm

This will surely go up now, if women who die from unsafe back-alley abortions are classified as maternal deaths.

861 versus millions of dead babies? I'll still take those odds.

Tell me Satan, how many of them would still be alive if they only used contraception during sex? Probably all of them, huh?

Congratulations, you are a proud member of the "Bola de Pendejos Club".

Pretty sure contraception and pregnancy is a 2 way street. Are we going to have an extreme rethinking of the mans financial role in all this from the point of conception? So men should owe child support the day of conception now right?

Yeah we have a provision for that. Its called marriage. I dont think it covers screwing around and getting knocked up.

So is the man not "screwing around" to get that woman knocked up? Is he acting any less irresponsible than the woman?
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I was worried I wouldn’t live to see a great wrong set right. While I am happy with the SCOTUS ruling to reverse a terrible decades old decision, it isn’t the complete Pro-Life victory I would like to see. A complete victory would mean making abortion illegal in all states. That’s a fight for another time.

Today’s decision is baby steps (pun intended) toward making sure all children have the basic human right to be born.

As I am writing this I’m listening to our president tell everyone this is an attack on women’s health. Just once I would like to see our president’s party support protecting our children.
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Hopefully this discourages prog filth from moving to red states.

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(06-24-2022 03:23 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Hopefully this discourages prog filth from moving to red states.

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A lot of talk of personal responsibility, which I 100% agree with.

What about rape victims? Quite a few of these states do not have a provision for them. However small a percentage of overall abortions those are, I don't think it's right to tell a woman who has been raped if she finds out she's pregnant after 6 weeks she's SOL.
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(06-24-2022 03:25 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  A lot of talk of personal responsibility, which I 100% agree with.

What about rape victims? Quite a few of these states do not have a provision for them. However small a percentage of overall abortions those are, I don't think it's right to tell a woman who has been raped if she finds out she's pregnant after 6 weeks she's SOL.

Did the baby do something wrong to deserve to die?
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(06-24-2022 03:14 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(06-24-2022 03:07 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(06-24-2022 09:33 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  What happens next? Women will die. Others will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Children will be born into households that cannot and do not want to take care of them.

Women with means will still be able to get to blue states to get the operation performed. This includes the mistresses and the daughters of prominent GOP donors and members of congress.

And lastly, hopefully this motivates the 2/3rds of Americans who did not want to see Roe v Wade overturned to show up to the polls. I still think the Dems are going to take a beating in November but this will definitely blunt it IMO.

Q: Why do Demokkkrats go along so willingly with the idea that it is their own children who most deserve to be murdered? I mean, how stupid is that?

(06-24-2022 12:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  What about women being responsible for whether they get pregnant in the first place?

Not to mention, there are long lines of good people wanting to adopt.

Plus, they can always get in a car and go to a blue state.

Already have seen more than a few posts here and comments elsewhere speaking to the shifting of responsibility and the actual place the Real "choice" takes place: when the Man and Woman decide to have sex (same-sex couples don't have the issue, because, well, Science says that unnatural liaisons don't produce anything because they are unnatural and disordered.)

Q: The Interstate implications of traveling from a State where baby-murder is illegal to one where baby-murder may still be considered legal will keep the Courts busy for a while. Reciprocal agreements, the Commerce Clause, Federal Jurisdiction and enforcement of interstate law are potentially going to be brought front and center here. The only "solution" in that case may well be that one actually has to move to and legally reside in the State where they want to murder their children that allows it.

Perhaps a Pakistan-India type resettling would occur, and then the final Divide can commence. One side hell-bent on self-murder, spending money they don't have, and creating a modern American third-world Communist state that will fall into destruction, hyper-inflation, criminality and unrest that makes this year look like a cakewalk--and the other a Constitution-loving Republic of Prosperity, National Strength, Freedom, Liberty and Equal Opportunity for all who abide by the laws.

Edit: I'd go ahead and invite Alberta, Canada to the Freedom side, they have lots of Oil, too, and we love that and could really use it now to power our gasoline IC engines! Let the rest of the Lefties fight over their "EVs" without any way to provide themselves power ('cepting they's Unicorns, of course!)

(06-24-2022 12:17 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Pretty certain there's gotta be some semen from somewhere to get a woman pregnant. So are we going to have a complete revamp of the mans financial responsibility for getting a woman pregnant in these states where abortion gets outlawed?

Not sure I'd be looking at it in socialist terms. First, How about changing Marriage laws to allow for Equal Treatment as well as aligning with ALL other Contract/agreement Laws where the BREACHING PARTY is the one who loses and the one who is willing to stay in the Marriage an NOT breach is awarded the rebuttable presumption.

END ALL NO-FAULT DIVORCE WHERE CHILDREN OF THE UNION ARE PRESENT AND REQUIRE PROVABLE GROUNDS.

(06-24-2022 12:17 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Also I like the "just carry the baby to term and give it up for adoption" pretending that getting medical care being pregnant is just free or something and that there are zero short and long term health risks from being pregnant even aside from just the potential of dying during childbirth (which in a lot of the states that will ban abortion their mortality rates are at the level of some 3rd world countries).

Ahem, NO ONE has an unfettered "Right" to have sex whenever, wherever they want without consequences. Maybe re-introducing some responsibility and consequences for decisions made (whether rational or not) will be a good thing in the long run: "Don't be like that guy who got a girl pregnant and now has to pay for their decision." Also: "Don't be like that girl who allows herself to be getting pregnant out-of-wedlock and lives in poverty and chaos."

Stigma and Shame can be a good thing in society if allowed to properly function without being covered over by gub'mint welfares and expensive (and failed) Demokkkrat "programs" that other people (i.e. Legal Citizen Taxpayers) have for too long been made to pay for. The only people who SHOULD pay are the ones making the bad decisions and acting irresponsibly.

(06-24-2022 02:04 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  I agree. No more out-of-wedlock births and single mothers raising children. Force men to be fathers and husbands. That's one of the BEST things we could do to turn this nation around.

No more following the Marxist philosophy of "abolishing the family."

First, ALLOW MEN to be FATHERS without taking that Right away from them by forcibly breaking up their families when they don't want them to be broken up. This doesn't apply to all situations, of course, but far too many millions of men who otherwise might stay in their children's lives are forcibly removed by State interference in their families simply because the Mothers filed motions to get "their money" from both the state welfares programs and extort it from the Fathers with no recourse. For decades and decades, too many Men have recognized what a bunch of Bu77$#it the State "family" court "systems" are and have become turning them into nothing more than the Modern American Plantation System. When you recognize Bu77$#it you refuse to participate and resist Bu77$#it, an that is what has been happening in ALL communities, but ESPECIALLY in Black and Brown communities for 60 years.

There is little positive incentive to get married in the U.S. for men, but a whole lot of downside, and taxation inequality is just one aspect. Restoring the BENEFITS of MARRIAGE so that it once again becomes something ALL Legal Citizens aspire to, and refuse to allow walk-aways without consequences from ETHER the man or the woman, but especially from the Woman, who have gotten away with another form of murder for too long, at the expense of the Children once again.

Taking Responsibility for who you shack up with is a good thing to have return to society.

Now for those men who are criminals, who have records, who have been lied to that "freedom" is getting high or drunk all the time and wearing your pants around your knees, or anyone residing here in this country illegally well, they DO need to be held accountable instead of being coddled (and booked and released repeatedly like the Demokkkrats wet dream idea of "law enforcement".

SOCIALISM CAUSES SOCIAL PROBLEMS it NEVER cures them.

Quote:In case you aren't aware, that's exactly what Crisis Pregnancy Centers do. You know, those places the radical marxist leftist terrorists have been vandalizing and fire-bombing? They help women thru their pregnancies -- emotionally, financially and medically.

As far as health affects(sic) from being pregnant -- actually there's more a detrimental health risk to women that have never given birth. Having an abortion and not actually giving birth is very harmful to a woman's future health.

As far as the potential of dying during childbirth... yes, it happens. But thankfully it's so low statistically. And somehow the human race has flourished in spite of that "threat".

I know and support many of the people who work at crisis pregnancy centers and assure you the care only begins with the decision to save the life of the child, many have networks of people who work with the Mothers (and Fathers in some cases) for years or a decade or more to continue to provide VOLUNTARY support for them, as well as help teach them life and Parenting skills the Left doesn't ever want them to know about. Oh, they might also suggest a church to them once in a while or speak about God (the horror!)

There are a ton of benefits for a woman to carry a baby to term, including reduced Breast Cancer risk, which many women, especially poor Demokkkrat-indoctrinated woman, have never even heard of because the Scientific FACTS have been intentionally hidden from them by the Leftist ho would rather they pay THEM to KILL their babies, resulting in the corporate multi-billion dollar baby-murder industry.



In Summary, this one decision could very much HELP American Society and Women in the long run by exposing the Lies of Leftist ideology for what they really are: Leftists are and always have been extremely Anti-Women, Anti-Family and Anti-American, and it it time for it to STOP! A reexamination of priorities and responsibilities, marriage, divorce and tax laws that include making FAMILY and MARRIAGE the number one priorities are long overdue.

Despite me being a leftist and disagreeing with plenty here there's actually a point I couldn't agree with you more about. The need to incentivize families to stay together, incentivizing marriage, and quite frankly there's a long term need to incentivize families to have more children. Asking you this in legitimate good faith, what would you like to see to incentivize these things?

I'll be happy to strat working with you from there. It's a start, but it will help. On that we can both agree! Thank you.

OH, alright, since you asked, give me a minute to type a response (was fixing the quote errors in the re-post). Can I start a new thread for this to get this important discussion away from just the SC case reaction on this one? Give me a minute and I'll repost a new thread, because this is a discussion I've been waiting for for years...

Heres' the new Thread for this discussion,hopefully:
GOING FORWARD: MARRIAGE and FAMILY in a Post-Roe World
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(06-24-2022 03:17 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(06-24-2022 02:51 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(06-24-2022 02:30 PM)b2b Wrote:  
(06-24-2022 02:23 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(06-24-2022 02:17 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yup. You should also now be able to claim a tax deduction for your fetus as well.

Fair point, if life starts at conception that's a dependent the second an egg is fertilized.
I'd have zero problem with that considering there is medical care needed for pregnant mothers.

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Considering the declining birth rate and rapid aging of the US population there needs to be a serious discussion about how to incentivize people to have more children. I'm 35, have been working full time for over a decade, and just now am in a position financially where I feel like I could afford to have and support a child, and that's really only because of a few promotions and being insanely fortunate to now have a rent free house to live in. When I was paying 1200 a month for a 1 bedroom apartment (and I don't even want to look at what my apartment would cost now) I couldn't have afforded that and I had a pretty solid job at the time. Conservatives love to pine for the days when women stayed home and took care of the children. I would be thrilled if that were an option but what kind of single salary would you need to make at this point to comfortably take care of a family of yourself, your wife and multiple children? To rent a place large enough for that family anywhere near Raleigh you'd be looking at a minimum of 2k a month, and to buy a house well good luck.

If you wait until you can afford to have kids chances are you'll never have them because you'll be too old.

Get married, enjoy being a newlywed, and then start having kids.

Life is much more enjoyable that way.

And chances are, even though you can't afford it, you'll figure it out somehow and won't end up living in a box behind a dumpster.

I am a newlywed (at least unless the SC overturns Loving and my marriage gets voided) and am enjoying it a lot. Thankfully I can now probably afford to have the 2 kids I'd like to have, and I consider myself extremely lucky because a whole lot of people my age and younger absolutely can not afford it. Pretty sure that's extremely financially irresponsible to say just do something you can't afford and it will somehow work out. If you are living paycheck to paycheck by yourself throwing kids into that equation is an insane proposition, and that's a really bad thing for society as a whole.
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(06-24-2022 03:14 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Despite me being a leftist and disagreeing with plenty here there's actually a point I couldn't agree with you more about. The need to incentivize families to stay together, incentivizing marriage, and quite frankly there's a long term need to incentivize families to have more children. Asking you this in legitimate good faith, what would you like to see to incentivize these things?



Not only do the Democrats NOT support those things, they work tirelessly to tear them down because it makes people more dependent upon the state.

The left is in a full scale war against traditional marriage and the nuclear family.

They have already successfully destroyed the black family, have wiped out more than half the white family and are gaining ground on the Hispanic family.
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(06-24-2022 03:05 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(06-24-2022 03:02 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(06-24-2022 02:58 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(06-24-2022 02:46 PM)Claw Wrote:  Wow. This has gone off the rails.

Child support during pregnancy? This decision says nothing about the start of life or the start of individual rights of a fetus. Nothing.

If you start child support during pregnancy you are going to have a lot of women claiming rich Joe is the daddy of poor John's baby.

So why is the whole "personal responsibility" thing only 1 way for you? You can do a paternity test as early as 9 weeks. It's a life the second of conception, so why shouldn't the man be responsible for his child the second it's conceived?


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(06-24-2022 09:33 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  What happens next? Women will die. Others will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Children will be born into households that cannot and do not want to take care of them.

Women with means will still be able to get to blue states to get the operation performed. This includes the mistresses and the daughters of prominent GOP donors and members of congress.

And lastly, hopefully this motivates the 2/3rds of Americans who did not want to see Roe v Wade overturned to show up to the polls. I still think the Dems are going to take a beating in November but this will definitely blunt it IMO.

I hope a huge push to eliminate the need for the VAST amount of abortions through contraception will occur. I won't however hold my breath that happens. We have lost our moral sense of personal responsibility in the country. People seem to feel that NOTHING they do has consequences now. I expect violent riots in the streets. This now is the norm for the Left every time it fails to get its way..... Constitution or rule of law..be damned.07-coffee3
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(06-24-2022 03:23 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Hopefully this discourages prog filth from moving to red states.

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Hadn’t even considered that unintended benefit

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