(01-06-2022 10:38 AM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 09:40 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 09:28 AM)Appvette Wrote:  How long have you been a fan of Marshall?

I'm from WV. In the 90's, all of the coverage went to WVU. I started reading about Marshall in the papers around that 1997 team. Then when Randy Moss became Randy Moss, and Chad Pennington became Chad Pennington, that sealed the deal.

When I was honorably discharged from the Navy, I came back to WV and chose to go to Marshall.

a.) I think Appvette asks because Marshall has never been Division II, it was I-AA which is different from D-II.

b.) I strongly disagree that 90's press coverage all went to WVU. I'd argue that Marshall got much more coverage statewide in the '90s and '00s than they have in the '20s. But I think that's also a function the Charleston and Huntington papers now being co-owned and down to 1 Herd beat writer, and newspapers in other markets around the state no longer generating original sports content and only pulling AP reports.

Its from the perspective of a teenager in Greenbrier county. At that time, where I grew up, it was all the WHO.

(01-05-2022 07:23 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 06:24 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 09:13 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 09:05 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Without a schedule its hard to guess.

JMU with more SBC teams to play should be over 500. Potential Conference games against sub 500 ODU, USM, troy state, GaSo, TxSt, ULM, Ark St and South

Sam and JSU will have more OOC games and less sub 500 conference games. If today, FIU and LaTech with losing records. Plus one will win their game.

Sam and JSU are walking into a lot hard conference schedule with two games vs JMU has potentially eight games against sub 500 teams.

You think JMU is playing in SBC West? Haven’t heard about that.

This guy tries to spin everything

Are facts spinning? I did note in another post i left out NMSU. so its 3 teams below 500 to 8. Do you know the schedule or divisions? Could be you trying to spin.

Ill say it again, if your still after over 2 months still trying to sell the realignment as a windfall to the SBC you probably dont believe it either

Uh, yes, I do. And you would too if you paid the least bit of attention. And the projection of $2MM per school? Yeah, I'll take that too as opposed to $100K or so and on ESPN? Yeah, that IS a windfall, but I have not been the one crowing about it at all.

So you want to see UNSPUN numbers?

App State 10-3 10-4
GaState 7-5 (6-2) 8-5
Marshall 7-6 (6-2) 7-7
Coastal 10-2 (6-2) 11-2
ODU 6-6 (5-3) 6-7
GaSo 3-9 (2-6)
JMU 12-2*

Louisiana 12-1 (8-0) 13-1 (RANKED)
Troy
USA
USM
ULM
TXST
ASU

So those of us in the east will play a MAX of four teams with losing records (if you include the bowl in the record) and five bowl teams.

CUSA

WKU 8-5 (7-1) 9-5
MTSU 6-6 (4-4) 7-6
UTEP 7-5 (4-4) 7-6
Liberty 7-5 (x-x) 8-5
LaTech 3-9 (2-6)
FIU 1-11 (0-8)
NMSU 2-10
SHSU 11-1*
JSU 5-6*

Guaranteed to play four teams with losing records and four bowl teams.

Nice try though.

(01-05-2022 07:23 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 06:24 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 09:13 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 09:05 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Without a schedule its hard to guess.

JMU with more SBC teams to play should be over 500. Potential Conference games against sub 500 ODU, USM, troy state, GaSo, TxSt, ULM, Ark St and South

Sam and JSU will have more OOC games and less sub 500 conference games. If today, FIU and LaTech with losing records. Plus one will win their game.

Sam and JSU are walking into a lot hard conference schedule with two games vs JMU has potentially eight games against sub 500 teams.

You think JMU is playing in SBC West? Haven’t heard about that.

This guy tries to spin everything

Are facts spinning? I did note in another post i left out NMSU. so its 3 teams below 500 to 8. Do you know the schedule or divisions? Could be you trying to spin.

Ill say it again, if your still after over 2 months still trying to sell the realignment as a windfall to the SBC you probably dont believe it either

Yes. Yes, everyone knows the divisions except you apparently. I’ve already posted it. You also left out one more future CUSA team that was under .500 as well

(01-06-2022 10:13 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 07:26 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  I think the AAC (minus SMU and Memphis), the SBC and CUSA will be about the same competitively speaking.

What year?

For the next 3-4 CUSA is going to be pretty far behind the others.

I don't believe that.

- LA Tech just hired a fantastic new football coach. So, Tech will be back almost immediately. Tech had more players drafted into the NFL and won more bowl games and men's CUSA basketball games than any school in CUSA 3.0.

- WKU is a perennially good football & a great basketball program. No shade here.

- UTEP is already back in football, and is a very good basketball school

- SHSU & JSU are definite football upgrades vs some of the programs CUSA just lost

- NMSU is a really good mens basketball program.

- MTSU won a lot more CUSA 3.0 football games than most people realize. When I researched it last year, MTSU was actually ranked 3rd (or 4th?) in CUSA 3.0 --behind LA Tech and Marshall-- as far as the number of CUSA 3.0 wins they had compiled.

- Liberty appears to be very good at pretty much all sports as far as I can tell.


These 8 schools will be competitive quickly. (And we're all praying for FIU. LOL!) With such a crowded 14-team SBC, I can't see how the SBC will do better. One of the things we've all learned is, the more members you have, the more you also have in the cellar. And I'll just tell ya now, Marshall ain't showing up to just be friendly. They'll kick some azzes in the Sunbelt. And if Marshall and USM BOTH start winning Sunbelt games, that's a whole lot fewer wins left over for some of the traditional SBC powers. There are going to be some unhappy folks in the Sunbelt two to 3 years form now. LOL!

(01-06-2022 10:13 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 07:26 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  I think the AAC (minus SMU and Memphis), the SBC and CUSA will be about the same competitively speaking.

What year?

For the next 3-4 CUSA is going to be pretty far behind the others.

I think within 5 years. I’m not sold on CCU or ULL long term. App is the torch bearer for the SBC.

I think Louisiana has more staying power than most believe.

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(01-06-2022 08:22 PM)rileylives Wrote:  I think Louisiana has more staying power than most believe.

Other than Napier and a few years of Hudspeth ULaLa is around a 500 team. Would expect them to go to that range but they will have a favorable schedule if they play the western SBC teams.

(01-06-2022 10:09 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 08:22 PM)rileylives Wrote:  I think Louisiana has more staying power than most believe.

Other than Napier and a few years of Hudspeth ULaLa is around a 500 team. Would expect them to go to that range but they will have a favorable schedule if they play the western SBC teams.

If SunBelt west doesn’t do something to improve, you can expect ULL to have a somewhat decent record, they only play one P5 a year and next year that P5 is Florida State. Now they are getting killed by the portal.

(01-06-2022 11:32 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 10:09 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 08:22 PM)rileylives Wrote:  I think Louisiana has more staying power than most believe.

Other than Napier and a few years of Hudspeth ULaLa is around a 500 team. Would expect them to go to that range but they will have a favorable schedule if they play the western SBC teams.

If SunBelt west doesn’t do something to improve, you can expect ULL to have a somewhat decent record, they only play one P5 a year and next year that P5 is Florida State. Now they are getting killed by the portal.

Yeah, but that is going to happen to any G5 team that a) has a stellar season and b) loses a coach to a P5 school.

First 3-4 years post move seem to be a better gauge of what they could expect. It will be a transition, especially if they join in 2022 vs. 2023. Getting some depth with the additional scholarships will be critical in the back half of the season.

(01-05-2022 10:05 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 09:39 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 09:37 AM)topper1296 Wrote:  I'd care less about the first year record of an FCS callup. I know WKU took their lumps during the transition. I'm more interested in how they will do moving forward after maybe 3 years or so.

Well, these FCS teams think they're going to come here in barnstorm your league and the FBS, so...

No.

One dude on a message board thinks that.

I mean, maybe the "teams" do, so far a a team can have an opinion but you'd expect and want football players to have some confidence (however misguided).

The OP started this same thread on the SBC board saying the same thing as if one poster from one program represents the entire fan base of JSU and SHSU.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-939600-post-17...id17991769

Quote:It seems some Jacksonville State, Sam Houston State fans think they will come into FBS and compete right away.

Where exactly have I said JSU would barnstorm CUSA?

(01-09-2022 12:26 AM)topper1296 Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 10:05 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 09:39 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 09:37 AM)topper1296 Wrote:  I'd care less about the first year record of an FCS callup. I know WKU took their lumps during the transition. I'm more interested in how they will do moving forward after maybe 3 years or so.

Well, these FCS teams think they're going to come here in barnstorm your league and the FBS, so...

No.

One dude on a message board thinks that.

I mean, maybe the "teams" do, so far a a team can have an opinion but you'd expect and want football players to have some confidence (however misguided).

The OP started this same thread on the SBC board saying the same thing as if one poster from one program represents the entire fan base of JSU and SHSU.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-939600-post-17...id17991769

Quote:It seems some Jacksonville State, Sam Houston State fans think they will come into FBS and compete right away.

Yes, I posted the data on both boards, because the conversation is tangible for both new leagues.

I wanted to help incoming teams know what they are up against.

There is nothing melodramatic about it, as the Sun Belt board have quite a few JMU posters, and I also wanted to get the take of the Sam Houston State and Jacksonville State faithful.

(01-09-2022 11:43 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Where exactly have I said JSU would barnstorm CUSA?

You ended up proving me wrong. You have done nothing wrong.

The threads are conversation starters. Most of the FCS teams have proved to be realists, thankfully.

(01-05-2022 09:12 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 09:10 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 09:05 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Without a schedule its hard to guess.

JMU with more SBC teams to play should be over 500. Potential Conference games against sub 500 ODU, USM, troy state, GaSo, TxSt, ULM, Ark St and South

Sam and JSU will have more OOC games and less sub 500 conference games. If today, FIU and LaTech with losing records. Plus one will win their game.

Sam and JSU are walking into a lot hard conference schedule with two games vs JMU has potentially eight games against sub 500 teams.

From what I understand, Sam Houston has a prolific offense, but I actually see it quite opposite from you. I think the new Conference USA will be a butter cupcake schedule, so you could see Jacksonville State and Sam Houston play to 500. JMU is going to really struggle, and I could see them winning three games

Amazing a potential conference schedule with 2 sub 500 teams vs one with 8 and you see the one with 2 as being easier?

They are in the Sun Belt East which has only one sub .500 regular season team and two ten win teams.

1. App State - 10 wins
2. Coastal - 10 wins
3. Georgia State - 7 wins
4. Marshall - 7 wins
5. ODU - 6 wins
6. Georgia Southern - 3 wins (I think)
7. JMU - FCS Semi-Finalist

So yes, we will say it should be difficult.

(01-06-2022 10:09 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 08:22 PM)rileylives Wrote:  I think Louisiana has more staying power than most believe.

Other than Napier and a few years of Hudspeth ULaLa is around a 500 team. Would expect them to go to that range but they will have a favorable schedule if they play the western SBC teams.

So you're basically discounting all of their recent history?

Good argument.

(01-09-2022 03:19 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 10:09 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 08:22 PM)rileylives Wrote:  I think Louisiana has more staying power than most believe.

Other than Napier and a few years of Hudspeth ULaLa is around a 500 team. Would expect them to go to that range but they will have a favorable schedule if they play the western SBC teams.

So you're basically discounting all of their recent history?

Good argument.

Hasnt Napier been their coach the last few years?

(01-09-2022 03:19 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 10:09 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 08:22 PM)rileylives Wrote:  I think Louisiana has more staying power than most believe.

Other than Napier and a few years of Hudspeth ULaLa is around a 500 team. Would expect them to go to that range but they will have a favorable schedule if they play the western SBC teams.

So you're basically discounting all of their recent history?

Good argument.

I don't think there is a one size fits all way to apply past results to future results in college football. But even if there was, you'd have to define "recent" right? UTSA has had a amazing recent success if you mean just this last season. Go back 10 years and in itself it's not eye-poppingly amazing success (but I'd argue it's pretty impressive given the context that you're talking about their only ten years). With ULL it's a few good seasons in a row, and some good ones under Hudspeth but not like an amazing 10 or 15 or 20 year run. So is their past three seasons a result of catching the right coach at the right time, or is it institutional now? Who knows? They may have built themselves some structure for a big run or maybe they just caught lightening in a bottle.

Personally, I hope ULL never has a winning season again. But I have to admit that seems unlikely. So at the very least we can hope they fall off from the Napier era (a lot).

(01-09-2022 04:16 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(01-09-2022 03:19 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 10:09 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 08:22 PM)rileylives Wrote:  I think Louisiana has more staying power than most believe.

Other than Napier and a few years of Hudspeth ULaLa is around a 500 team. Would expect them to go to that range but they will have a favorable schedule if they play the western SBC teams.

So you're basically discounting all of their recent history?

Good argument.

Hasnt Napier been their coach the last few years?

Yeah it’s actually quite hilarious Sunbelt never had a top 25 team up until a few years ago when they signed the ESPn deal

That’s right almost 20 years without a top 25 team.

A few years ago Tech had 3 draft picks guess how many draft picks the the whole Sunbelt conference had? 3

Not to mention Tech is 11-1 against the Sunbelt and 8-0 vs ULL since 1997

Now you see why the Sunbelters hate Tech so much

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