Just for fun, let's look at that list of G5 teams if we take away teams going to the big 12, and move teams to their new conference. What would that look like....

2014
16 Boise State Mountain West
23 Marshall Sun Belt
25 Memphis American

2015
18 Navy American
24 Western CUSA

2016
15 Western Michigan MAC
19 South Florida American
25 San Diego State Mountain West

2017
21 South Florida American
22 Boise State Mountain West
25 Memphis American

2018
18 Fresno State Mountain West
19 Army Independent
22 Utah State Mountain West
23 Boise State Mountain West

2019
17 Memphis American
19 Appalachian State Sun Belt
20 Navy American
22 Air Force Mountain West
23 Boise State Mountain West

2020
14 Coastal Carolina Sun Belt
15 Louisiana Sun Belt
17 Liberty CUSA
23 Ball State MAC
24 San Jose State Mountain West
25 Buffalo MAC

Likely 2021
Louisiana Sun Belt
San Diego State Mountain West

(01-05-2022 03:31 PM)rileylives Wrote:  G5 teams to finish in the AP Top 25 in the last decade

2014
16 Boise State Mountain West
23 Marshall CUSA
25 Memphis American

2015
8 Houston American
18 Navy American
24 Western CUSA

2016
15 Western Michigan MAC
19 South Florida American
25 San Diego State Mountain West

2017
6 UCF American
21 South Florida American
22 Boise State Mountain West
25 Memphis American

2018
11 UCF American
18 Fresno State Mountain West
19 Army Independent
22 Utah State Mountain West
23 Boise State Mountain West
24 Cincinnati American

2019
17 Memphis American
19 Appalachian State Sun Belt
20 Navy American
21 Cincinnati American
22 Air Force Mountain West
23 Boise State Mountain West
24 UCF American

2020
8 Cincinnati American
11 BYU Independent
14 Coastal Carolina Sun Belt
15 Louisiana Sun Belt
17 Liberty Independent
23 Ball State MAC
24 San Jose State Mountain West
25 Buffalo MAC

Likely 2021
Cincinnati American
BYU Independent
Louisiana Sun Belt
Houston American
San Diego State Mountain West

Once again you leave Western off that list...as you have the other two times you posted it. Once again, for the third time I point it out to you. Maybe by the 4th time you get it.

So you agree the SBC is better than CUSA 2005-2013? And CUSA 3.0 2014-2016 was also better than CUSA 2.0?

If we are basing it on AP finishes...it can only be that. Correct?

As for 2020...covid played a role in 2 SBC finishing in the AP. If the SBC championship had been played one of those 2 SBC would be knocked out.

Does bowl season play a role in the AP? I dont believe so and UTSA was 24th on the last AP poll

(01-05-2022 04:34 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 03:31 PM)rileylives Wrote:  G5 teams to finish in the AP Top 25 in the last decade

2014
16 Boise State Mountain West
23 Marshall CUSA
25 Memphis American

2015
8 Houston American
18 Navy American
24 Western CUSA

2016
15 Western Michigan MAC
19 South Florida American
25 San Diego State Mountain West

2017
6 UCF American
21 South Florida American
22 Boise State Mountain West
25 Memphis American

2018
11 UCF American
18 Fresno State Mountain West
19 Army Independent
22 Utah State Mountain West
23 Boise State Mountain West
24 Cincinnati American

2019
17 Memphis American
19 Appalachian State Sun Belt
20 Navy American
21 Cincinnati American
22 Air Force Mountain West
23 Boise State Mountain West
24 UCF American

2020
8 Cincinnati American
11 BYU Independent
14 Coastal Carolina Sun Belt
15 Louisiana Sun Belt
17 Liberty Independent
23 Ball State MAC
24 San Jose State Mountain West
25 Buffalo MAC

Likely 2021
Cincinnati American
BYU Independent
Louisiana Sun Belt
Houston American
San Diego State Mountain West

Once again you leave Western off that list...as you have the other two times you posted it. Once again, for the third time I point it out to you. Maybe by the 4th time you get it.

So you agree the SBC is better than CUSA 2005-2013? And CUSA 3.0 2014-2016 was also better than CUSA 2.0?

If we are basing it on AP finishes...it can only be that. Correct?

Dude what are you talking about? Western is on the list.

(01-05-2022 04:35 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 04:34 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 03:31 PM)rileylives Wrote:  G5 teams to finish in the AP Top 25 in the last decade

2014
16 Boise State Mountain West
23 Marshall CUSA
25 Memphis American

2015
8 Houston American
18 Navy American
24 Western CUSA

2016
15 Western Michigan MAC
19 South Florida American
25 San Diego State Mountain West

2017
6 UCF American
21 South Florida American
22 Boise State Mountain West
25 Memphis American

2018
11 UCF American
18 Fresno State Mountain West
19 Army Independent
22 Utah State Mountain West
23 Boise State Mountain West
24 Cincinnati American

2019
17 Memphis American
19 Appalachian State Sun Belt
20 Navy American
21 Cincinnati American
22 Air Force Mountain West
23 Boise State Mountain West
24 UCF American

2020
8 Cincinnati American
11 BYU Independent
14 Coastal Carolina Sun Belt
15 Louisiana Sun Belt
17 Liberty Independent
23 Ball State MAC
24 San Jose State Mountain West
25 Buffalo MAC

Likely 2021
Cincinnati American
BYU Independent
Louisiana Sun Belt
Houston American
San Diego State Mountain West

Once again you leave Western off that list...as you have the other two times you posted it. Once again, for the third time I point it out to you. Maybe by the 4th time you get it.

So you agree the SBC is better than CUSA 2005-2013? And CUSA 3.0 2014-2016 was also better than CUSA 2.0?

If we are basing it on AP finishes...it can only be that. Correct?

Dude what are you talking about? Western is on the list.

Glad to see you finely get that correct, my eyes saw Western Mich...missed Western...

I also edited the post on why you didnt include UTSA. The APs last poll is DEC 5 dont believe it includes bowls or do they? As I said in the edited post SBC has one less if not for COVID...One of those two teams loses in the SBC championship game and falls out.

(01-05-2022 04:44 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 04:35 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 04:34 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 03:31 PM)rileylives Wrote:  G5 teams to finish in the AP Top 25 in the last decade

2014
16 Boise State Mountain West
23 Marshall CUSA
25 Memphis American

2015
8 Houston American
18 Navy American
24 Western CUSA

2016
15 Western Michigan MAC
19 South Florida American
25 San Diego State Mountain West

2017
6 UCF American
21 South Florida American
22 Boise State Mountain West
25 Memphis American

2018
11 UCF American
18 Fresno State Mountain West
19 Army Independent
22 Utah State Mountain West
23 Boise State Mountain West
24 Cincinnati American

2019
17 Memphis American
19 Appalachian State Sun Belt
20 Navy American
21 Cincinnati American
22 Air Force Mountain West
23 Boise State Mountain West
24 UCF American

2020
8 Cincinnati American
11 BYU Independent
14 Coastal Carolina Sun Belt
15 Louisiana Sun Belt
17 Liberty Independent
23 Ball State MAC
24 San Jose State Mountain West
25 Buffalo MAC

Likely 2021
Cincinnati American
BYU Independent
Louisiana Sun Belt
Houston American
San Diego State Mountain West

Once again you leave Western off that list...as you have the other two times you posted it. Once again, for the third time I point it out to you. Maybe by the 4th time you get it.

So you agree the SBC is better than CUSA 2005-2013? And CUSA 3.0 2014-2016 was also better than CUSA 2.0?

If we are basing it on AP finishes...it can only be that. Correct?

Dude what are you talking about? Western is on the list.

Glad to see you finely get that correct, my eyes saw Western Mich...missed Western...

I also edited the post on why you didnt include UTSA. The APs last poll is DEC 5 dont believe it includes bowls or do they? As I said in the edited post SBC has one less if not for COVID...One of those two teams loses in the SBC championship game and falls out.

Yeah, my eyesight is going bad too and I'm only in my 40s. I always had Western on there. I'm not saying you have bad eyesight, but I could absolutely understand why you would skim over that.

For what it's worth, Western should have finished the 2016 season ranked as well.

As far as UTSA, I don't think they will end up in the final AP rankings, they lost in their bowl game so I think they'll be just outside.

Honestly, don't you think UAB has a better shot since they took down the number 12 BYU? Ultimately I think BYU will still stay in the top 25 even though they shouldn't be. But uab, they might sneak in.

It's ironic reading comments from the same people that used to tear down the SB now build it up.

(01-05-2022 05:20 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  It's ironic reading comments from the same people that used to tear down the SB now build it up.

Well to be fair, I was always much more harsh against the American.

And I always used numbers when going into a conversation against teams from other conferences, and of course I'm going to always try to put the team I root for in the best possible light.

Can only speak for myself, but I'm guilty attacking the Sun Belt in the past, but just looking at their recent 3-year run, I don't know, it's an exciting time to join a conference on the rise now.

But there was definitely a stretch in Conference USA from 2014 to 2016 where we were hands down a good football league in Conference USA.

(01-05-2022 05:24 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 05:20 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  It's ironic reading comments from the same people that used to tear down the SB now build it up.

Well to be fair, I was always much more harsh against the American.

And I always used numbers when going into a conversation against teams from other conferences, and of course I'm going to always try to put the team I root for in the best possible light.

Can only speak for myself, but I'm guilty attacking the Sun Belt in the past, but just looking at their recent 3-year run, I don't know, it's an exciting time to join a conference on the rise now.

But there was definitely a stretch in Conference USA from 2014 to 2016 where we were hands down a good football league in Conference USA.

It does sound very exciting, considering all those ranked SB teams were rewarded with a season ending game against teams from "trash" CUSA.

(01-05-2022 09:13 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 09:05 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Without a schedule its hard to guess.

JMU with more SBC teams to play should be over 500. Potential Conference games against sub 500 ODU, USM, troy state, GaSo, TxSt, ULM, Ark St and South

Sam and JSU will have more OOC games and less sub 500 conference games. If today, FIU and LaTech with losing records. Plus one will win their game.

Sam and JSU are walking into a lot hard conference schedule with two games vs JMU has potentially eight games against sub 500 teams.

You think JMU is playing in SBC West? Haven’t heard about that.

This guy tries to spin everything

(01-05-2022 06:00 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 05:24 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 05:20 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  It's ironic reading comments from the same people that used to tear down the SB now build it up.

Well to be fair, I was always much more harsh against the American.

And I always used numbers when going into a conversation against teams from other conferences, and of course I'm going to always try to put the team I root for in the best possible light.

Can only speak for myself, but I'm guilty attacking the Sun Belt in the past, but just looking at their recent 3-year run, I don't know, it's an exciting time to join a conference on the rise now.

But there was definitely a stretch in Conference USA from 2014 to 2016 where we were hands down a good football league in Conference USA.

It does sound very exciting, considering all those ranked SB teams were rewarded with a season ending game against teams from "trash" CUSA.

Yeah, I think a lot of people expect the bowl tie in's to change soon.

(01-05-2022 03:31 PM)rileylives Wrote:  G5 teams to finish in the AP Top 25 in the last decade

2014
16 Boise State Mountain West
23 Marshall CUSA
25 Memphis American

2015
8 Houston American
18 Navy American
24 Western CUSA

2016
15 Western Michigan MAC
19 South Florida American
25 San Diego State Mountain West

2017
6 UCF American
21 South Florida American
22 Boise State Mountain West
25 Memphis American

2018
11 UCF American
18 Fresno State Mountain West
19 Army Independent
22 Utah State Mountain West
23 Boise State Mountain West
24 Cincinnati American

2019
17 Memphis American
19 Appalachian State Sun Belt
20 Navy American
21 Cincinnati American
22 Air Force Mountain West
23 Boise State Mountain West
24 UCF American

2020
8 Cincinnati American
11 BYU Independent
14 Coastal Carolina Sun Belt
15 Louisiana Sun Belt
17 Liberty Independent
23 Ball State MAC
24 San Jose State Mountain West
25 Buffalo MAC

Likely 2021
Cincinnati American
BYU Independent
Louisiana Sun Belt
Houston American
San Diego State Mountain West

Thanks for putting that together. I think the narrative the SBC consistently putting teams in top 25 is a stretch at this point. SBC wouldn’t have 2 teams in 2020.

(01-05-2022 06:24 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 09:13 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 09:05 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Without a schedule its hard to guess.

JMU with more SBC teams to play should be over 500. Potential Conference games against sub 500 ODU, USM, troy state, GaSo, TxSt, ULM, Ark St and South

Sam and JSU will have more OOC games and less sub 500 conference games. If today, FIU and LaTech with losing records. Plus one will win their game.

Sam and JSU are walking into a lot hard conference schedule with two games vs JMU has potentially eight games against sub 500 teams.

You think JMU is playing in SBC West? Haven’t heard about that.

This guy tries to spin everything

Are facts spinning? I did note in another post i left out NMSU. so its 3 teams below 500 to 8. Do you know the schedule or divisions? Could be you trying to spin.

Ill say it again, if your still after over 2 months still trying to sell the realignment as a windfall to the SBC you probably dont believe it either

(01-05-2022 07:20 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 03:31 PM)rileylives Wrote:  G5 teams to finish in the AP Top 25 in the last decade

2014
16 Boise State Mountain West
23 Marshall CUSA
25 Memphis American

2015
8 Houston American
18 Navy American
24 Western CUSA

2016
15 Western Michigan MAC
19 South Florida American
25 San Diego State Mountain West

2017
6 UCF American
21 South Florida American
22 Boise State Mountain West
25 Memphis American

2018
11 UCF American
18 Fresno State Mountain West
19 Army Independent
22 Utah State Mountain West
23 Boise State Mountain West
24 Cincinnati American

2019
17 Memphis American
19 Appalachian State Sun Belt
20 Navy American
21 Cincinnati American
22 Air Force Mountain West
23 Boise State Mountain West
24 UCF American

2020
8 Cincinnati American
11 BYU Independent
14 Coastal Carolina Sun Belt
15 Louisiana Sun Belt
17 Liberty Independent
23 Ball State MAC
24 San Jose State Mountain West
25 Buffalo MAC

Likely 2021
Cincinnati American
BYU Independent
Louisiana Sun Belt
Houston American
San Diego State Mountain West

Thanks for putting that together. I think the narrative the SBC consistently putting teams in top 25 is a stretch at this point. SBC wouldn’t have 2 teams in 2020.

It was also funny seeing 2020 Liberty end up behind that CCU team even though they just beat them head to head. I’m not that impressed with the SBC. I think it will be a lateral move from CUSA 3.0 when it is all said and done. I think the geographic fit is an upgrade but not the competitive side. I think the AAC (minus SMU and Memphis), the SBC and CUSA will be about the same competitively speaking.

(01-05-2022 07:20 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 03:31 PM)rileylives Wrote:  G5 teams to finish in the AP Top 25 in the last decade

2014
16 Boise State Mountain West
23 Marshall CUSA
25 Memphis American

2015
8 Houston American
18 Navy American
24 Western CUSA

2016
15 Western Michigan MAC
19 South Florida American
25 San Diego State Mountain West

2017
6 UCF American
21 South Florida American
22 Boise State Mountain West
25 Memphis American

2018
11 UCF American
18 Fresno State Mountain West
19 Army Independent
22 Utah State Mountain West
23 Boise State Mountain West
24 Cincinnati American

2019
17 Memphis American
19 Appalachian State Sun Belt
20 Navy American
21 Cincinnati American
22 Air Force Mountain West
23 Boise State Mountain West
24 UCF American

2020
8 Cincinnati American
11 BYU Independent
14 Coastal Carolina Sun Belt
15 Louisiana Sun Belt
17 Liberty Independent
23 Ball State MAC
24 San Jose State Mountain West
25 Buffalo MAC

Likely 2021
Cincinnati American
BYU Independent
Louisiana Sun Belt
Houston American
San Diego State Mountain West

Thanks for putting that together. I think the narrative the SBC consistently putting teams in top 25 is a stretch at this point. SBC wouldn’t have 2 teams in 2020.

No worries!

(01-05-2022 08:49 AM)rileylives Wrote:  School, First FBS Year, First Year Record

Nevada 1992 7-5
North Texas 1995 2-9
UAB 1996 5-6
UCF 1996 5-6
Boise State 1996 2-10
Marshall 1997 10-3
Buffalo 1999 0-11
MTSU 1999 3-8
UCONN 2000 3-8
South Florida 2001 8-3
Troy 2002 4-8
FIU 2006 0-12
FAU 2006 5-7
WKU 2009 0-12
South Alabama 2012 2-11
Texas State 2012 4-8
UMASS 2012 1-11
UTSA 2012 8-4
Georgia State 2013 0-12
Georgia Southern 2014 9-3
ODU 2014 6-6
App State 2014 7-5
Charlotte 2015 2-10
Coastal Carolina 2017 3-9
Liberty 2018 6-6

Some other interesting data points on these 25 programs.

These programs equated to a 24% success rate at achieving better than a .500 record. Let's look at the profiles of those six schools.who achieved better than a .500 record.

1992 Nevada
1997 Marshall
2001 South Florida
2012 UTSA
2014 Georgia Southern
2014 App State

1991 Nevada was 12-2 and made it to the division 1-AA quarterfinalis.

1996 Marshall is regarded as one of, if not the best division 1-AA National Champion of all time. The 1996 Herd went 15-0 and won the ship.

2000 South Florida went 7-4 playing a schedule with half FBS teams on it.

2011 UTSA was the inaugural season and went 4-6. Their 2012 8-4 season is even more of a surprise knowing they were only in their second season as a program.

2013 Georgia Southern went 7-4, however beat Florida in their final game without completing a pass!

2013 App State went 4-8.

(01-06-2022 08:50 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 08:49 AM)rileylives Wrote:  School, First FBS Year, First Year Record

Nevada 1992 7-5
North Texas 1995 2-9
UAB 1996 5-6
UCF 1996 5-6
Boise State 1996 2-10
Marshall 1997 10-3
Buffalo 1999 0-11
MTSU 1999 3-8
UCONN 2000 3-8
South Florida 2001 8-3
Troy 2002 4-8
FIU 2006 0-12
FAU 2006 5-7
WKU 2009 0-12
South Alabama 2012 2-11
Texas State 2012 4-8
UMASS 2012 1-11
UTSA 2012 8-4
Georgia State 2013 0-12
Georgia Southern 2014 9-3
ODU 2014 6-6
App State 2014 7-5
Charlotte 2015 2-10
Coastal Carolina 2017 3-9
Liberty 2018 6-6

Some other interesting data points on these 25 programs.

These programs equated to a 24% success rate at achieving better than a .500 record. Let's look at the profiles of those six schools.who achieved better than a .500 record.

1992 Nevada
1997 Marshall
2001 South Florida
2012 UTSA
2014 Georgia Southern
2014 App State

1991 Nevada was 12-2 and made it to the division II quarterfinalis.

1996 Marshall is regarded as one of, if not the best division II National Champion of all time. The 1996 Herd went 15-0 and won the ship.

2000 South Florida went 7-4 playing a schedule with half division I teams on it.

2011 UTSA was the inaugural season and went 4-6. Their 2012 8-4 season is even more of a surprise knowing they were only in their second season as a program.

2013 Georgia Southern went 7-4, however beat Florida in their final game without completing a pass!

2013 App State went 4-8.

How long have you been a fan of Marshall?

(01-06-2022 09:28 AM)Appvette Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 08:50 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 08:49 AM)rileylives Wrote:  School, First FBS Year, First Year Record

Nevada 1992 7-5
North Texas 1995 2-9
UAB 1996 5-6
UCF 1996 5-6
Boise State 1996 2-10
Marshall 1997 10-3
Buffalo 1999 0-11
MTSU 1999 3-8
UCONN 2000 3-8
South Florida 2001 8-3
Troy 2002 4-8
FIU 2006 0-12
FAU 2006 5-7
WKU 2009 0-12
South Alabama 2012 2-11
Texas State 2012 4-8
UMASS 2012 1-11
UTSA 2012 8-4
Georgia State 2013 0-12
Georgia Southern 2014 9-3
ODU 2014 6-6
App State 2014 7-5
Charlotte 2015 2-10
Coastal Carolina 2017 3-9
Liberty 2018 6-6

Some other interesting data points on these 25 programs.

These programs equated to a 24% success rate at achieving better than a .500 record. Let's look at the profiles of those six schools.who achieved better than a .500 record.

1992 Nevada
1997 Marshall
2001 South Florida
2012 UTSA
2014 Georgia Southern
2014 App State

1991 Nevada was 12-2 and made it to the division II quarterfinalis.

1996 Marshall is regarded as one of, if not the best division II National Champion of all time. The 1996 Herd went 15-0 and won the ship.

2000 South Florida went 7-4 playing a schedule with half division I teams on it.

2011 UTSA was the inaugural season and went 4-6. Their 2012 8-4 season is even more of a surprise knowing they were only in their second season as a program.

2013 Georgia Southern went 7-4, however beat Florida in their final game without completing a pass!

2013 App State went 4-8.

How long have you been a fan of Marshall?

I'm from WV. In the 90's, all of the coverage went to WVU. I started reading about Marshall in the papers around that 1997 team. Then when Randy Moss became Randy Moss, and Chad Pennington became Chad Pennington, that sealed the deal.

When I was honorably discharged from the Navy, I came back to WV and chose to go to Marshall.

I would like for the fans of JMU, Jacksonville State and Sam Houston State to chime in on this thread as well.

What is your football heritage, and why did you became a fan?

The thread doesn't have to be contentious if we make it civil.

(01-05-2022 07:26 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  I think the AAC (minus SMU and Memphis), the SBC and CUSA will be about the same competitively speaking.

What year?

For the next 3-4 CUSA is going to be pretty far behind the others.

(01-06-2022 09:40 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 09:28 AM)Appvette Wrote:  How long have you been a fan of Marshall?

I'm from WV. In the 90's, all of the coverage went to WVU. I started reading about Marshall in the papers around that 1997 team. Then when Randy Moss became Randy Moss, and Chad Pennington became Chad Pennington, that sealed the deal.

When I was honorably discharged from the Navy, I came back to WV and chose to go to Marshall.

a.) I think Appvette asks because Marshall has never been Division II, it was I-AA which is different from D-II.

b.) I strongly disagree that 90's press coverage all went to WVU. I'd argue that Marshall got much more coverage statewide in the '90s and '00s than they have in the '20s. But I think that's also a function the Charleston and Huntington papers now being co-owned and down to 1 Herd beat writer, and newspapers in other markets around the state no longer generating original sports content and only pulling AP reports.