Just did my research. It was Sam Jones, a north carolina central alum. He shot a little over 80% at the stripe. Also he was born in Wilmington. Won 8 NBA championships with Bill Russell 10 all together.

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(12-20-2021 01:19 PM)Proff Wrote:  Many moons ago (the 60s) the Celtics had a guard that did jump shots from the foul line. He claimed it helped him with all his shooting. I can't remember his name but he shot well. I guess the bottom line is take 'em the way you can hit 'em.

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Yep, consistency is the key.

(12-20-2021 01:09 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:50 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(12-19-2021 05:45 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(12-19-2021 04:13 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  IMO…Making FT in games is about having a good routine that puts you in rhythm with elbow in and over front staggered leg with weight forward . If the player can get those things together and have good success in practice (>80-85%), then things usually clean up in games. It’s also important to stick the cookie jar finish every time.

While I completely agree with Rhythm staggering legs is a form nightmare. Staggering legs causes more arms, more arms makes it harder to be consistent. Squaring up the hoop is shooting 101


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Its actually just the opposite and guys who have toes even at the basket are seldom if ever good shooters. Shooting is all about balance and that does not create balance at all- alot of big guys do that and it results in a two part shot at release . Starting the ball low is what creates arm swing or starting on the wrong side which a lot of younger players do when they get out beyond their range .

I've been to many camps when i was younger, and two that were specifically shooting camps. Two at one of the best D3 schools in the nation with a legendary coach. And it was always "square up to the hoop". Every kid i've ever worked with that had trouble squaring up in 15 years of coaching that I got to square up dramatically improved their shots. So, sorry, but i disagree. I completely understand some of the modern guys think differently, i don't agree.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hunteratkin...0b7b2b62dc
Best shooter ever, feet every so slightly off, but lower body, squared up.

It's called stepping into the shot and literally every good shooter will anchor with the off foot and step into the shot-thereby eliminating movement with the upper body. Watch Curry,Clay Thompson-Brett Blizzard they all shoot with a right shoulder lead and feet under shoulders or a little wider . Nobody teaches square up in the last 25 years . They also get their feet under them for the catch and shoot all in one motion .it's called practice and not rocket science -with the off foot anchor.

(12-20-2021 01:40 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 01:09 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 12:50 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(12-19-2021 05:45 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(12-19-2021 04:13 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  IMO…Making FT in games is about having a good routine that puts you in rhythm with elbow in and over front staggered leg with weight forward . If the player can get those things together and have good success in practice (>80-85%), then things usually clean up in games. It’s also important to stick the cookie jar finish every time.

While I completely agree with Rhythm staggering legs is a form nightmare. Staggering legs causes more arms, more arms makes it harder to be consistent. Squaring up the hoop is shooting 101


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Its actually just the opposite and guys who have toes even at the basket are seldom if ever good shooters. Shooting is all about balance and that does not create balance at all- alot of big guys do that and it results in a two part shot at release . Starting the ball low is what creates arm swing or starting on the wrong side which a lot of younger players do when they get out beyond their range .

I've been to many camps when i was younger, and two that were specifically shooting camps. Two at one of the best D3 schools in the nation with a legendary coach. And it was always "square up to the hoop". Every kid i've ever worked with that had trouble squaring up in 15 years of coaching that I got to square up dramatically improved their shots. So, sorry, but i disagree. I completely understand some of the modern guys think differently, i don't agree.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hunteratkin...0b7b2b62dc
Best shooter ever, feet every so slightly off, but lower body, squared up.

It's called stepping into the shot and literally every good shooter will anchor with the off foot and step into the shot-thereby eliminating movement with the upper body. Watch Curry,Clay Thompson-Brett Blizzard they all shoot with a right shoulder lead and feet under shoulders or a little wider . Nobody teaches square up in the last 25 years . They also get their feet under them for the catch and shoot all in one motion .it's called practice and not rocket science -with the off foot anchor.

You clearly didn't read the article with Steph talking about, "squaring up" his body

(12-20-2021 01:24 PM)Proff Wrote:  Just did my research. It was Sam Jones, a north carolina central alum. He shot a little over 80% at the stripe. Also he was born in Wilmington. Won 8 NBA championships with Bill Russell 10 all together.

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Hal Greer was a contemporary of Sam Jones's and he took jump shots from the free throw line, too. Greer played for the Syracuse Nationals and the Philadelphia 76ers, which were the same franchise. The Nationals moved from Syracuse to Philadelphia after the Warriors left Philly for San Francisco.

Greer is in the Hall of Fame. He went to college at Marshall.

A couple random players over the years used the “granny shot” technique with a high percentage. Maybe we should try that?


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Besides the basic stance, I line my right foot up with the basket. I look at the basket, then look down and take three dibbles. And as I bring the ball up in my shooting motion, I look at the basket and follow through. With me, I have found that the more I stare at the basket, the more I think. Causing me to think to much. Testing it out I found that I make a higher percentage when I don't freeze myself up with thought. But that's just me. Not saying it would work better for everyone.

I start my day with a good, wholesome breakfast. When ya boil it down to the basic bolts and nuts, that’s the key to solid free throw shooting. Some good carbs the night before are encouraged but not required. From there, once I’m at the line, I grab the front of my jersey at the numbers, let go, kiss my hand and point my index finger to the rec center rafters, where my jersey will obviously hang in legendary status once my playing days are over. I stagger my feet, but not noticeably, usually about an inch and a half.

After that, I say a silent prayer to Jobu and remember the sautéed chicken bones in my locker.

77% of the time it works every time.


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(12-20-2021 04:22 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  Some good carbs the night before are encouraged but not required.
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If you'll eliminate the carbs after 8:00 PM and commit to an interment fasting program, I can get you up to 80%.

(12-20-2021 04:27 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 04:22 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  Some good carbs the night before are encouraged but not required.
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If you'll eliminate the carbs after 8:00 PM and commit to an interment fasting program, I can get you up to 80%.

I read his sentence quickly, and thought is said crabs, he'd have bigger problems than just FT shooting. LOL

(12-20-2021 04:16 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  Besides the basic stance, I line my right foot up with the basket. I look at the basket, then look down and take three dibbles. And as I bring the ball up in my shooting motion, I look at the basket and follow through. With me, I have found that the more I stare at the basket, the more I think. Causing me to think to much. Testing it out I found that I make a higher percentage when I don't freeze myself up with thought. But that's just me. Not saying it would work better for everyone.

I was a 3 dribble guy too, except i stared at the hoop the whole time.

(12-20-2021 04:27 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 04:22 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  Some good carbs the night before are encouraged but not required.
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If you'll eliminate the carbs after 8:00 PM and commit to an interment fasting program, I can get you up to 80%.

I don’t think I’m ready for that level of dedication. I like spaghetti. I usually stare at my plate the whole time.


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(12-20-2021 04:27 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(12-20-2021 04:22 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  Some good carbs the night before are encouraged but not required.
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If you'll eliminate the carbs after 8:00 PM and commit to an interment fasting program, I can get you up to 80%.

I can confirm that intermittent fasting is a great behavioral change. I lost over 60 pounds from late March of this year to present.

This thread is funny and is a classic! Hopefully the Campbell thread ends up happy.

Alright, just watched again and focused on the last 9:22 of the game when UNCW was up 53-39(+14). I take back what I said about good cuts, picks and ball movement.

We had 13 posessions(scored 6 points)
4 turnovers
2 times fouled 3-4 FT's(Harvey 2-2, Sims 1-2)
7 FG attempts(1-7) Sims 0-3, Harvey 0-2, Phillips 1-2.

We only had seven official FG attempts since we were fouled on two attempts and missed, so we really had nine FG attempts. Of those nine attempts, seven were one on one drives. We were outscored 20-6 over this stretch and our offense was a bunch of standing around and one on one drives from just three players. Okauru didn't take a single shot during that stretch(he was 6-9 from the field before then) and we had no offensive rebounds for putbacks or second attempts. I appreciate what Phillips did in OT but it was more one on one and he was able to score.

(12-21-2021 05:59 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Alright, just watched again and focused on the last 9:22 of the game when UNCW was up 53-39(+14). I take back what I said about good cuts, picks and ball movement.

We had 13 posessions(scored 6 points)
4 turnovers
2 times fouled 3-4 FT's(Harvey 2-2, Sims 1-2)
7 FG attempts(1-7) Sims 0-3, Harvey 0-2, Phillips 1-2.

We only had seven official FG attempts since we were fouled on two attempts and missed, so we really had nine FG attempts. Of those nine attempts, seven were one on one drives. We were outscored 20-6 over this stretch and our offense was a bunch of standing around and one on one drives from just three players. Okauru didn't take a single shot during that stretch(he was 6-9 from the field before then) and we had no offensive rebounds for putbacks or second attempts. I appreciate what Phillips did in OT but it was more one on one and he was able to score.

Were those 7 FG attempts clean looks or were they forced? Also where in the shot clock were they? If you are up 14 in the 2nd half you drain that shot clock.

(12-21-2021 09:12 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(12-21-2021 05:59 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Alright, just watched again and focused on the last 9:22 of the game when UNCW was up 53-39(+14). I take back what I said about good cuts, picks and ball movement.

We had 13 posessions(scored 6 points)
4 turnovers
2 times fouled 3-4 FT's(Harvey 2-2, Sims 1-2)
7 FG attempts(1-7) Sims 0-3, Harvey 0-2, Phillips 1-2.

We only had seven official FG attempts since we were fouled on two attempts and missed, so we really had nine FG attempts. Of those nine attempts, seven were one on one drives. We were outscored 20-6 over this stretch and our offense was a bunch of standing around and one on one drives from just three players. Okauru didn't take a single shot during that stretch(he was 6-9 from the field before then) and we had no offensive rebounds for putbacks or second attempts. I appreciate what Phillips did in OT but it was more one on one and he was able to score.

Were those 7 FG attempts clean looks or were they forced? Also where in the shot clock were they? If you are up 14 in the 2nd half you drain that shot clock.

While i get the line of thinking especially say the last 5 minutes, i'm also a fan of keep doing what you did to get that lead. Just like Prevent D in football, it does more harm than good.

(12-21-2021 10:12 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(12-21-2021 09:12 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(12-21-2021 05:59 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Alright, just watched again and focused on the last 9:22 of the game when UNCW was up 53-39(+14). I take back what I said about good cuts, picks and ball movement.

We had 13 posessions(scored 6 points)
4 turnovers
2 times fouled 3-4 FT's(Harvey 2-2, Sims 1-2)
7 FG attempts(1-7) Sims 0-3, Harvey 0-2, Phillips 1-2.

We only had seven official FG attempts since we were fouled on two attempts and missed, so we really had nine FG attempts. Of those nine attempts, seven were one on one drives. We were outscored 20-6 over this stretch and our offense was a bunch of standing around and one on one drives from just three players. Okauru didn't take a single shot during that stretch(he was 6-9 from the field before then) and we had no offensive rebounds for putbacks or second attempts. I appreciate what Phillips did in OT but it was more one on one and he was able to score.

Were those 7 FG attempts clean looks or were they forced? Also where in the shot clock were they? If you are up 14 in the 2nd half you drain that shot clock.

While i get the line of thinking especially say the last 5 minutes, i'm also a fan of keep doing what you did to get that lead. Just like Prevent D in football, it does more harm than good.

Taking bad shots early in the shot clock is a recipe for quick transition points and lead evaporation.

That Norfolk State game we lost would have been a win had we played smarter in that last 60 seconds

(12-21-2021 10:24 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(12-21-2021 10:12 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(12-21-2021 09:12 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(12-21-2021 05:59 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Alright, just watched again and focused on the last 9:22 of the game when UNCW was up 53-39(+14). I take back what I said about good cuts, picks and ball movement.

We had 13 posessions(scored 6 points)
4 turnovers
2 times fouled 3-4 FT's(Harvey 2-2, Sims 1-2)
7 FG attempts(1-7) Sims 0-3, Harvey 0-2, Phillips 1-2.

We only had seven official FG attempts since we were fouled on two attempts and missed, so we really had nine FG attempts. Of those nine attempts, seven were one on one drives. We were outscored 20-6 over this stretch and our offense was a bunch of standing around and one on one drives from just three players. Okauru didn't take a single shot during that stretch(he was 6-9 from the field before then) and we had no offensive rebounds for putbacks or second attempts. I appreciate what Phillips did in OT but it was more one on one and he was able to score.

Were those 7 FG attempts clean looks or were they forced? Also where in the shot clock were they? If you are up 14 in the 2nd half you drain that shot clock.

While i get the line of thinking especially say the last 5 minutes, i'm also a fan of keep doing what you did to get that lead. Just like Prevent D in football, it does more harm than good.

Taking bad shots early in the shot clock is a recipe for quick transition points and lead evaporation.

That Norfolk State game we lost would have been a win had we played smarter in that last 60 seconds

I don't disagree. I'd have to assume "taking bad shots" is not how we built that lead to begin with.

(12-21-2021 10:26 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(12-21-2021 10:24 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(12-21-2021 10:12 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(12-21-2021 09:12 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(12-21-2021 05:59 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Alright, just watched again and focused on the last 9:22 of the game when UNCW was up 53-39(+14). I take back what I said about good cuts, picks and ball movement.

We had 13 posessions(scored 6 points)
4 turnovers
2 times fouled 3-4 FT's(Harvey 2-2, Sims 1-2)
7 FG attempts(1-7) Sims 0-3, Harvey 0-2, Phillips 1-2.

We only had seven official FG attempts since we were fouled on two attempts and missed, so we really had nine FG attempts. Of those nine attempts, seven were one on one drives. We were outscored 20-6 over this stretch and our offense was a bunch of standing around and one on one drives from just three players. Okauru didn't take a single shot during that stretch(he was 6-9 from the field before then) and we had no offensive rebounds for putbacks or second attempts. I appreciate what Phillips did in OT but it was more one on one and he was able to score.

Were those 7 FG attempts clean looks or were they forced? Also where in the shot clock were they? If you are up 14 in the 2nd half you drain that shot clock.

While i get the line of thinking especially say the last 5 minutes, i'm also a fan of keep doing what you did to get that lead. Just like Prevent D in football, it does more harm than good.

Taking bad shots early in the shot clock is a recipe for quick transition points and lead evaporation.

That Norfolk State game we lost would have been a win had we played smarter in that last 60 seconds

I don't disagree. I'd have to assume "taking bad shots" is not how we built that lead to begin with.

You can run your offense and still slow the game down. Maybe Siddle was trying to take the air out of the ball the final 9 minutes, but having a guard dribble the shot clock down to 5 seconds and then trying to beat his man for an inside look is not a good shot regardless of the clock and score.