(05-04-2021 12:54 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 12:41 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  When half the roster opts for the transfer portal doesn't that call into question the coach's character?


And why do you keep trying to draw parallels? Basketball is not football. 2 seasons is not 3. And definitely not when 1 of those 2 was a Covid season.

1/3 of all d1 basketball players are in the portal...uc isnt even top 20 in players who entered the portal, not even top in the conference... the portal alone does not bring into question his character.... also i have no issue with you firing him, talking how its done..

again everyone already thinks you are firing him for performance.. it is not views as performance vs players best interest....the national perspective outside of UC circles (including coaching circles), is "performance and using cause to get out of the contract" vs "performance and paying his buyout"
your permiss assumes people believe this was done to the betterment of the athletes, when no one not tied to UC believes that

Dude Brendel just noted that AAU coaches thought UC made the right move to can JB. They specifically said they wouldn’t send their players to play for UC with John Brannen as the coach.

And UC already won.

Uc is going to gain season ticket holders instead of lose them. Cunningham won the media and the fans back with an excellent thorough coaching search that landed Wes Miller. The fan base is more United now than its ever been.

That’s all good news for UC

This was literally a tiny blip of bad PR for UC that is now turning out to be a huge PR win.

Make no mistake... UC is in better shape today than it was if John Brannen was the coach. He’s an awful human, who had weird rules and couldn’t connect with players.

Wes Miller is the exact opposite.


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(05-04-2021 11:43 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 11:19 AM)pesik Wrote:  its worse to have a reputation where you try to destroy someones character to get out of contracts...rothstein, norlander, parrish have all spoken about how this is a terrible look for UC, some noted that coaches have taken note

and houston is literally known for firing coaches on way too short windows ..we publicly say we will fire coaches in football for having 8-4 seasons, on their 3rd season.. as long as it is about performance coaching prospects dont care.. every coach thinks they are going to win, so that "wont really affect them"...after we fire a coach after 3 seasons, with a great record, we normally have the whose who of coaches interviewing

Meh... we had plenty of good candidates in the mix for the opening. Plus, Rothstein seems to have an axe to grind ever since we didn't come to terms with Cronin on an extension. Rothstein has always been kind of a mouthpiece for Mick. By the time we need to make another big hire, the Brannen fiasco will be ancient history.

The ancient history part will probably depend on how it goes with Miller. Just like UH when the president & AD say we fire coaches who win 8 games. It can lead to a rep schools don't need.

(05-04-2021 01:06 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 12:54 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 12:41 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  When half the roster opts for the transfer portal doesn't that call into question the coach's character?


And why do you keep trying to draw parallels? Basketball is not football. 2 seasons is not 3. And definitely not when 1 of those 2 was a Covid season.

1/3 of all d1 basketball players are in the portal...uc isnt even top 20 in players who entered the portal, not even top in the conference... the portal alone does not bring into question his character.... also i have no issue with you firing him, talking how its done..

again everyone already thinks you are firing him for performance.. it is not views as performance vs players best interest....the national perspective outside of UC circles (including coaching circles), is "performance and using cause to get out of the contract" vs "performance and paying his buyout"
your permiss assumes people believe this was done to the betterment of the athletes, when no one not tied to UC believes that

Dude Brendel just noted that AAU coaches thought UC made the right move to can JB. They specifically said they wouldn’t send their players to play for UC with John Brannen as the coach.

And UC already won.

Uc is going to gain season ticket holders instead of lose them. Cunningham won the media and the fans back with an excellent thorough coaching search that landed Wes Miller. The fan base is more United now than its ever been.

That’s all good news for UC

This was literally a tiny blip of bad PR for UC that is now turning out to be a huge PR win.

Make no mistake... UC is in better shape today than it was if John Brannen was the coach. He’s an awful human, who had weird rules and couldn’t connect with players.

Wes Miller is the exact opposite.


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you keep going back to the point, that i am somehow against the firing...from the start i said i get firing him.. its just how its being done

also any coach you were going to hire was going to be praised.. erik martin, dennis gates...
the success of a coach has little to do with the emotions when hired..

the moment UC struggles, you know there are going to be articles about this is what uc gets, kenyon martin tweeting i told you so, especially when brannens team starts to counter and relese their info (which also may or may not be overstated)
you could have achieved this whole thing without the whole cause thing

(05-04-2021 12:54 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 12:41 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  When half the roster opts for the transfer portal doesn't that call into question the coach's character?


And why do you keep trying to draw parallels? Basketball is not football. 2 seasons is not 3. And definitely not when 1 of those 2 was a Covid season.

1/3 of all d1 basketball players are in the portal...uc isnt even top 20 in players who entered the portal, not even top in the conference... the portal alone does not bring into question his character.... also i have no issue with you firing him, talking how its done..

again everyone already thinks you are firing him for performance.. it is not viewed as "performance" vs "players best interest"....the national perspective outside of UC circles (including coaching circles), is "performance and using cause to get out of the contract" vs "performance and paying his buyout"
your premise assumes people believe this was done to the betterment of the athletes, when no one not tied to UC believes that

This is just BS> If it was just a performance issue they wouldn't have fired him after year 2. There was other stuff going on whether you want to admit it or not.

(05-04-2021 01:06 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  Dude Brendel just noted that AAU coaches thought UC made the right move to can JB. They specifically said they wouldn’t send their players to play for UC with John Brannen as the coach.

And UC already won.

Uc is going to gain season ticket holders instead of lose them. Cunningham won the media and the fans back with an excellent thorough coaching search that landed Wes Miller. The fan base is more United now than its ever been.

That’s all good news for UC

This was literally a tiny blip of bad PR for UC that is now turning out to be a huge PR win.

Make no mistake... UC is in better shape today than it was if John Brannen was the coach. He’s an awful human, who had weird rules and couldn’t connect with players.

Wes Miller is the exact opposite.


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I realize this is nothing to do with pesik's point, but when it leaked out that Coach Brannen had a rule prohibiting players from wearing piercings or do-rags, I knew he was an out-of-touch jerk. In fact, the do-rag thing could even be perceived as racist by some black players. Brannen's approach is so outdated and corny.

(05-04-2021 01:44 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  This is just BS> If it was just a performance issue they wouldn't have fired him after year 2. There was other stuff going on whether you want to admit it or not.

i mean he was fired because of performance, as in if UC was good he would still have a job..
there is obviously contention between him and Cunningham, reported by literally everyone ..but that would have been overlooked had he gotten you Ws

okay im not sure how deep in the rabbit hole you are...let me ask you a question please answer honestly

if brannen had taken UC to the elite 8 this year, do you genuinely believed he would have been fired?

(05-04-2021 01:04 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 11:07 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  6 of the 8 posts on the last page are "hidden because Pesik is on your ignore list"

Things must be getting heated in here

You ignore people? Seems kind of weak.

Call it whatever you want. Makes it MUCH easier to read the forums when you don't have to wade through walls of self-celebrating text and bad takes.

(05-04-2021 01:20 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 01:06 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 12:54 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 12:41 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  When half the roster opts for the transfer portal doesn't that call into question the coach's character?


And why do you keep trying to draw parallels? Basketball is not football. 2 seasons is not 3. And definitely not when 1 of those 2 was a Covid season.

1/3 of all d1 basketball players are in the portal...uc isnt even top 20 in players who entered the portal, not even top in the conference... the portal alone does not bring into question his character.... also i have no issue with you firing him, talking how its done..

again everyone already thinks you are firing him for performance.. it is not views as performance vs players best interest....the national perspective outside of UC circles (including coaching circles), is "performance and using cause to get out of the contract" vs "performance and paying his buyout"
your permiss assumes people believe this was done to the betterment of the athletes, when no one not tied to UC believes that

Dude Brendel just noted that AAU coaches thought UC made the right move to can JB. They specifically said they wouldn’t send their players to play for UC with John Brannen as the coach.

And UC already won.

Uc is going to gain season ticket holders instead of lose them. Cunningham won the media and the fans back with an excellent thorough coaching search that landed Wes Miller. The fan base is more United now than its ever been.

That’s all good news for UC

This was literally a tiny blip of bad PR for UC that is now turning out to be a huge PR win.

Make no mistake... UC is in better shape today than it was if John Brannen was the coach. He’s an awful human, who had weird rules and couldn’t connect with players.

Wes Miller is the exact opposite.


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you keep going back to the point, that i am somehow against the firing...from the start i said i get firing him.. its just how its being done

also any coach you were going to hire was going to be praised.. erik martin, dennis gates...
the success of a coach has little to do with the emotions when hired..

the moment UC struggles, you know there are going to be articles about this is what uc gets, kenyon martin tweeting i told you so, especially when brannens team starts to counter and relese their info (which also may or may not be overstated)
you could have achieved this whole thing without the whole cause thing

No.

Wes Miller was universally praised. Erik Martin was not going to be, he wasn’t even a top assistant for Huggins. Dennis Gates hasn’t proven it long enough for universal praise.

There is a large subset of the UNC fan base who wanted Wes Miller. And he was by all accounts the runner up. That’s a big get for UC. Like Roy Williams is now. Season ticket holder. And even a good chance that UC gets a jordan deal back

Add in that we just got back the best strength coach in the country because of Miller & Cunningham.

I have no idea why you downplayed this. There wasn’t universal fan praise for John Brannen when he was hired. I was a skeptic from day 1 with brannen. I never liked the dude. But Wes has big dick energy like Luke Fickell.

When he breast feeds Kelvin Sampson I’ll accept your apology


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(05-04-2021 02:01 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 01:20 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 01:06 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 12:54 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 12:41 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  When half the roster opts for the transfer portal doesn't that call into question the coach's character?


And why do you keep trying to draw parallels? Basketball is not football. 2 seasons is not 3. And definitely not when 1 of those 2 was a Covid season.

1/3 of all d1 basketball players are in the portal...uc isnt even top 20 in players who entered the portal, not even top in the conference... the portal alone does not bring into question his character.... also i have no issue with you firing him, talking how its done..

again everyone already thinks you are firing him for performance.. it is not views as performance vs players best interest....the national perspective outside of UC circles (including coaching circles), is "performance and using cause to get out of the contract" vs "performance and paying his buyout"
your permiss assumes people believe this was done to the betterment of the athletes, when no one not tied to UC believes that

Dude Brendel just noted that AAU coaches thought UC made the right move to can JB. They specifically said they wouldn’t send their players to play for UC with John Brannen as the coach.

And UC already won.

Uc is going to gain season ticket holders instead of lose them. Cunningham won the media and the fans back with an excellent thorough coaching search that landed Wes Miller. The fan base is more United now than its ever been.

That’s all good news for UC

This was literally a tiny blip of bad PR for UC that is now turning out to be a huge PR win.

Make no mistake... UC is in better shape today than it was if John Brannen was the coach. He’s an awful human, who had weird rules and couldn’t connect with players.

Wes Miller is the exact opposite.


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you keep going back to the point, that i am somehow against the firing...from the start i said i get firing him.. its just how its being done

also any coach you were going to hire was going to be praised.. erik martin, dennis gates...
the success of a coach has little to do with the emotions when hired..

the moment UC struggles, you know there are going to be articles about this is what uc gets, kenyon martin tweeting i told you so, especially when brannens team starts to counter and relese their info (which also may or may not be overstated)
you could have achieved this whole thing without the whole cause thing

No.

Wes Miller was universally praised. Erik Martin was not going to be, he wasn’t even a top assistant for Huggins. Dennis Gates hasn’t proven it long enough for universal praise.

There is a large subset of the UNC fan base who wanted Wes Miller. And he was by all accounts the runner up. That’s a big get for UC. Like Roy Williams is now. Season ticket holder. And even a good chance that UC gets a jordan deal back

Add in that we just got back the best strength coach in the country because of Miller & Cunningham.

I have no idea why you downplayed this. There wasn’t universal fan praise for John Brannen when he was hired. I was a skeptic from day 1 with brannen. I never liked the dude. But Wes has big dick energy like Luke Fickell.

When he breast feeds Kelvin Sampson I’ll accept your apology


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I want you to apologize for making that image flash into my head ...

(05-04-2021 02:01 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  No.

Wes Miller was universally praised. Erik Martin was not going to be, he wasn’t even a top assistant for Huggins. Dennis Gates hasn’t proven it long enough for universal praise.

There is a large subset of the UNC fan base who wanted Wes Miller. And he was by all accounts the runner up. That’s a big get for UC. Like Roy Williams is now. Season ticket holder. And even a good chance that UC gets a jordan deal back

Add in that we just got back the best strength coach in the country because of Miller & Cunningham.

I have no idea why you downplayed this. There wasn’t universal fan praise for John Brannen when he was hired. I was a skeptic from day 1 with brannen. I never liked the dude. But Wes has big dick energy like Luke Fickell.

When he breast feeds Kelvin Sampson I’ll accept your apology


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erik was was already being praised because he was at one point seen as the favorite.. under every post talking about the search would be "just announce martin" by some uc fan...
there were people who didn't want martin...but there were people who also didn't want miller.. those poster flipped when he was hired, like would have been done with martin.. like was done with branne ps i know u specifically weren't the biggest Brannen fan but you were in the minority and called out by other UC fans who said you had some sorta loyalty to Cronin at that time...

dennis gates is one of the most loved coaches in the entire industry, more than miller...the team that hires him up will be praised as making a homerun hire..
miller was second in the UNC race as UNC only hires UNC tied coaches.. there were like 4 qualified candidates to even chose from .. the UNC point is overstated

there is universal praise for 80% of all college basketball hires especially young up and comers... miller resume is almost identical to Brannen's coming in, wo was praised universally (i can find individual people who didn't like miller to..aka Kenyon martin)
in this very thread i have said miller is the best available option, mainly because the options werent great..
i have a hot take about miller that ill save for later

(05-04-2021 01:52 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 01:44 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  This is just BS> If it was just a performance issue they wouldn't have fired him after year 2. There was other stuff going on whether you want to admit it or not.

i mean he was fired because of performance, as in if UC was good he would still have a job..
there is obviously contention between him and Cunningham, reported by literally everyone ..but that would have been overlooked had he gotten you Ws

okay im not sure how deep in the rabbit whole you are...let me ask you a question please answer honestly

if brannen had taken UC to the elite 8 this year, do you genuinely believed he would have been fired?

Obviously no.

If half the roster didn't enter the portal and undisclosed players hadn't complain to the AD about Brannen would he have been fired? Also no.

(05-04-2021 02:17 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 02:01 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  No.

Wes Miller was universally praised. Erik Martin was not going to be, he wasn’t even a top assistant for Huggins. Dennis Gates hasn’t proven it long enough for universal praise.

There is a large subset of the UNC fan base who wanted Wes Miller. And he was by all accounts the runner up. That’s a big get for UC. Like Roy Williams is now. Season ticket holder. And even a good chance that UC gets a jordan deal back

Add in that we just got back the best strength coach in the country because of Miller & Cunningham.

I have no idea why you downplayed this. There wasn’t universal fan praise for John Brannen when he was hired. I was a skeptic from day 1 with brannen. I never liked the dude. But Wes has big dick energy like Luke Fickell.

When he breast feeds Kelvin Sampson I’ll accept your apology


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erik was was already being praised because he was at one point seen as the favorite.. under every post talking about the search would be "just announce martin" by some uc fan...
there were people who didn't want martin...but there were people who also didn't want miller.. those poster flipped when he was hired, like would have been done with martin.. like was done with branne ps i know u specifically weren't the biggest Brannen fan but you were in the minority and called out by other UC fans who said you had some sorta loyalty to Cronin at that time...

dennis gates is one of the most loved coaches in the entire industry, more than miller...the team that hires him up will be praised as making a homerun hire..
miller was second in the UNC race as UNC only hires UNC tied coaches.. there were like 4 qualified candidates to even chose from .. the UNC point is overstated

there is universal praise for 80% of all college basketball hires especially young up and comers... miller resume is almost identical to Brannen's coming in, wo was praised universally (i can find individual people who didn't like miller to..aka Kenyon martin)
in this very thread i have said miller is the best available option, mainly because the options werent great..
i have a hot take about miller that ill save for later

Miller and Brannen do have similar resumes. But Miller is 7 years younger than Brannen was at the time of his hiring, is putting together a much stronger staff, and has charisma and energy that Brannen just doesn't have.

UNCG had zero players in the portal prior to him accepting the UC job. After heading to Cincy, 3 of his players followed him, as well as one of his commits (Clemson transfer John Newman III). None of the 3 players who followed him averaged more than 20 minutes per game last year, which means they feel strongly enough about Coach Miller to follow him to his new job even without the guarantee of major playing time.

Two of the assistant coaches he hired worked for him previously at UNCG before leaving for bigger jobs (one of those coaches, Mike Roberts, left to take a job at his alma mater, Indiana). They obviously think highly enough of him to come back to his staff. We stole his 3rd assistant from Georgia, who helped recruit this past year's #1 NBA draft pick -- and he won't even have the Associate Head Coach title.

Also, one of his assistants from the UNCG staff is coming to Cincinnati in a support role. While the pay is probably similar, the title is a demotion -- yet, that coach is willing to give up his spot on the bench to come work for Coach Miller. I just think all of the above speaks volumes about the loyalty and respect he commands from those who play and work for him. The culture around him and the way his teams play defense screams Cincinnati basketball. I think this hire has a very high probability of being a success.

(05-04-2021 12:54 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 12:41 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  When half the roster opts for the transfer portal doesn't that call into question the coach's character?


And why do you keep trying to draw parallels? Basketball is not football. 2 seasons is not 3. And definitely not when 1 of those 2 was a Covid season.

1/3 of all d1 basketball players are in the portal...uc isnt even top 20 in players who entered the portal, not even top in the conference... the portal alone does not bring into question his character.... also i have no issue with you firing him, talking how its done..

again everyone already thinks you are firing him for performance.. it is not viewed as "performance" vs "players best interest"....the national perspective outside of UC circles (including coaching circles), is "performance and using cause to get out of the contract" vs "performance and paying his buyout"
your premise assumes people believe this was done to the betterment of the athletes, when no one not tied to UC believes that

Because there's no chance it could be a combination of factors? Are we just choosing to ignore the players?

Why is it only one or the other Pesik? This reductive point of view is annoying and immature.

UC is in NOOOOOO financial position to be firing after 2 seasons due to poor performance (season 1 resulted in a share of the conference championship, season 2 made a run to the conference championship game). And the fact that you think that's what happened leads me to think you are trolling.

It's a ******* mess, I agree. But it was never not going to be a mess.

(05-04-2021 02:45 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  UC is in NOOOOOO financial position to be firing after 2 seasons due to poor performance (season 1 resulted in a share of the conference championship, season 2 made a run to the conference championship game). And the fact that you think that's what happened leads me to think you are trolling.

It's a ******* mess, I agree. But it was never not going to be a mess.

This is a great point. A lot of our fans thought he deserved to be fired based solely on performance, but I was never of that opinion. Brannen's first year was tough due to Jarron fighting through injuries, and his second year was even tougher due to Mick's recruiting falling off a cliff his last two years and trying to break in a new roster during the pandemic. Brannen recruited some good players and our young core was looking very promising late in the season. I was genuinely excited for next season until the exodus happened. Brannen would have gotten a pass for this season from the university if not for the things he was being investigated for, in my opinion.

People won't even remember who Brannen was by thanksgiving.

(05-04-2021 01:57 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 01:04 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 11:07 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  6 of the 8 posts on the last page are "hidden because Pesik is on your ignore list"

Things must be getting heated in here

You ignore people? Seems kind of weak.

Call it whatever you want. Makes it MUCH easier to read the forums when you don't have to wade through walls of self-celebrating text and bad takes.

But what would be left?

(05-04-2021 05:42 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 01:57 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 01:04 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 11:07 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  6 of the 8 posts on the last page are "hidden because Pesik is on your ignore list"

Things must be getting heated in here

You ignore people? Seems kind of weak.

Call it whatever you want. Makes it MUCH easier to read the forums when you don't have to wade through walls of self-celebrating text and bad takes.

But what would be left?

Actual conversation and not the self serving screed served up by a certain poster who thinks he’s Nostradamus?

(05-04-2021 01:06 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 12:54 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-04-2021 12:41 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  When half the roster opts for the transfer portal doesn't that call into question the coach's character?


And why do you keep trying to draw parallels? Basketball is not football. 2 seasons is not 3. And definitely not when 1 of those 2 was a Covid season.

1/3 of all d1 basketball players are in the portal...uc isnt even top 20 in players who entered the portal, not even top in the conference... the portal alone does not bring into question his character.... also i have no issue with you firing him, talking how its done..

again everyone already thinks you are firing him for performance.. it is not views as performance vs players best interest....the national perspective outside of UC circles (including coaching circles), is "performance and using cause to get out of the contract" vs "performance and paying his buyout"
your permiss assumes people believe this was done to the betterment of the athletes, when no one not tied to UC believes that

Dude Brendel just noted that AAU coaches thought UC made the right move to can JB. They specifically said they wouldn’t send their players to play for UC with John Brannen as the coach.

And UC already won.

Uc is going to gain season ticket holders instead of lose them. Cunningham won the media and the fans back with an excellent thorough coaching search that landed Wes Miller. The fan base is more United now than its ever been.

That’s all good news for UC

This was literally a tiny blip of bad PR for UC that is now turning out to be a huge PR win.

Make no mistake... UC is in better shape today than it was if John Brannen was the coach. He’s an awful human, who had weird rules and couldn’t connect with players.

Wes Miller is the exact opposite.


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Perhaps more united than it's been in the last year or so, or maybe in your experience. A person would have to be pretty old and have had a finger on the pulse of fan enthusiasm for a very long time to make such a sweeping statement as yours.

(05-04-2021 02:45 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  UC is in NOOOOOO financial position to be firing after 2 seasons due to poor performance (season 1 resulted in a share of the conference championship, season 2 made a run to the conference championship game). And the fact that you think that's what happened leads me to think you are trolling.

It's a ******* mess, I agree. But it was never not going to be a mess.

UC has that $$ in the couch cushions...just depends on which couch they decide look for it in.

I hope they tell Brannen and his attorney who likes Twitter so much to piss up a rope. He’d get eviscerated in a jury trial.