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(Yesterday 05:42 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I listen to every brendel podcast. He didn't say what you claim he said.


again not brendel's podcast, the skinny podcast, on April 11th where he was a guest ..they note at one point that they've heard rumors that Cunningham has been reaching out to prominent head coaches, they also talked about how he doesn't see frank martin happening with a recent extension, but likely some intermediaries have spoken...they say it might have all been leverage to get an extension. then speak of how crazy it would have been to even interview him
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(Yesterday 08:57 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  But please tell me, Pesik....if it were YOUR university and YOUR program on the line, what would you have preferred YOUR administration and AD have done differently?

paid him to leave...agree to pay him to leave, negotiate a buyout...

Holgorson if he is unsuccessful next year will be fired, he has a ridiculous buyout.. we will pay it and leave ..
we wont go look for cause by looking at every corner to potentially find something to misconstrue
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(Yesterday 05:42 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I listen to every brendel podcast. He didn't say what you claim he said.


again not brendels podcast..the skinny podcast, on April 11th where he was a guest ..they notes at one point that theyve heard rumors that cunningham has been reaching out to prominent head coaches, they also talked about how he doesnt see frank martin happening with a recent extension, but likely some intermediaries like spoken...they say it might have all been leverage to get an extension..then speak of how crazy it would have been to even interview him

Link it. Support your argument with facts.
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(Yesterday 10:28 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(Yesterday 05:42 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I listen to every brendel podcast. He didn't say what you claim he said.


again not brendels podcast..the skinny podcast, on April 11th where he was a guest ..they notes at one point that theyve heard rumors that cunningham has been reaching out to prominent head coaches, they also talked about how he doesnt see frank martin happening with a recent extension, but likely some intermediaries like spoken...they say it might have all been leverage to get an extension..then speak of how crazy it would have been to even interview him
Yea I listened to that podcast at the time. One of the hosts is the NKU color guy and a huge Brannen guy. The other doesn't have any inside knowledge. Brendel didn't confirm any of those random rumors and speculations. You're really misrepresenting what was actually said.
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(Yesterday 07:40 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Cunningham playing the long game. Trumping up a fake letter of reprimand prior to the season laying out specific concerns and stressing the seriousness of John's conduct. What foresight to fake that before a game was played coming off a conference championship so they could come after him later.

Give it a rest.

As an attorney that's a great piece to have. There was no reason for UC to send that letter other than John's conduct and UC being very concerned about something that happened. In really undermines the idea that this was some sort of witch hunt.

who said anything about trumping up a fake letter???
and the biggest point was that him and Brannen never got along.. the reprimand might have had nothing to do with some long game firing.. but could be used as a tool for a contentious relationship
and the fact that it was worded that the medical staff had issues with his conditioning practices in November ... not "the medical staff has had constant issues with him overworking the players all season despite being reprimanded in November" ..shows that they is whole overrunning thing was just from November

my point you cant give me a reprimand in January, we move on from it...decide as my boss in august you want to fire me for other reasons, and then use January reprimand to fire me without severance .. i was saying the reprimand makes it worse as if it was for player safety without new incidents, why did you let him coach for 6 more months. you cant claim you just found out
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(Yesterday 10:41 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(Yesterday 10:28 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(Yesterday 05:42 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I listen to every brendel podcast. He didn't say what you claim he said.


again not brendels podcast..the skinny podcast, on April 11th where he was a guest ..they notes at one point that theyve heard rumors that cunningham has been reaching out to prominent head coaches, they also talked about how he doesnt see frank martin happening with a recent extension, but likely some intermediaries like spoken...they say it might have all been leverage to get an extension..then speak of how crazy it would have been to even interview him
Yea I listened to that podcast at the time. One of the hosts is the NKU color guy and a huge Brannen guy. The other doesn't have any inside knowledge. Brendel didn't confirm any of those random rumors and speculations. You're really misrepresenting what was actually said.

who said anything about confirming... i said "they heard rumors"... that isnt saying he confirmed. saying you heard "rumors" isnt confirming anything ... you are the one misrepresenting what im saying, i said a UC insider notes theyve heard things , uc fans response was just to say "i dont believe" just because, while on a soap box about other people not willing to hear the other information
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(Yesterday 10:28 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(Yesterday 05:42 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I listen to every brendel podcast. He didn't say what you claim he said.


again not brendels podcast..the skinny podcast, on April 11th where he was a guest ..they notes at one point that theyve heard rumors that cunningham has been reaching out to prominent head coaches, they also talked about how he doesnt see frank martin happening with a recent extension, but likely some intermediaries like spoken...they say it might have all been leverage to get an extension..then speak of how crazy it would have been to even interview him

Link it. Support your argument with facts.

i literally gave you the podcast and episode...google is a thing
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(Yesterday 07:34 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  Pesik, just take your L and run away with your tail between your legs. Previously, you opined that UC was ruining Brannen's reputation. OK, I can see how it could possibly be perceived as a witch hunt - mind you he received a reprimand letter in November and allegedly continued to act like an insufferable ******* that didn't take into account his player's physical and emotional well being. Now you are just making things up. UC never reached out to Frank Martin during the season. It just didn't happen and i'm not going to back and listen to every podcast as rebuttal. Cunningham had basically zero leaks during the hiring process - we didn't know Miller was a serious candidate until 2 hours before he was hired! The more items come out from freedom of information requests, it becomes more clear that Cunningham did an exemplary job navigating an incredibly difficult and sensitive process and made the absolute right decision in the end to send Brannen packing.

Your agenda is clear as day as you continue to use the word "abuse" knowing how explosive that word is.

lmao what agenda... uc fans have the agenda, as to buy anything UC posts as facts

also cunnigham is the one who made it a difficult situation.... he could have fundraised for the buyout...he could have spoken with brannen at any point to prevent all of it going public, the athletic aritcle was leaked from within the UC program, the lawyer didnt go public till then... you cant credit someone for choosing the extremely difficult path by choice and then barely surviving

and you literally hated the miller option for days prior to the hire, and I was having talks with you before he was hired about how he is a decent hire for how bad the UC situation is.. and i thought of th options linked he was the best one

also what L.. the L of not buying what UC is selling, that we all saw coming?
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6 of the 8 posts on the last page are "hidden because Pesik is on your ignore list"

Things must be getting heated in here


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(Yesterday 10:15 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  Add in that John Brannen’s 2nd year saw:
- a mass exodus of players, including his first real recruiting class
- the worst offense since 2007 (mick’s first season)
-the worst defense since 2009 (who played in the big east as opposed to this busted ass league)
-2nd worst 3pt shooting in the entire Kenpom era at uc.
-2nd worst overall Kenpom rating In the Kenpom era for uc.
- his staff was mid major. He had 2 strength coaches leave in 2 years
-he walked off the court on his team who were emotional and upset


And that’s not even including the fact that he is a sociopath who failed to connect with his players. And all the abuse allegations that followed.

Good Riddance John Brannen


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ps i have no problem with you firing him...just talking about how it was done
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(Yesterday 08:57 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  But please tell me, Pesik....if it were YOUR university and YOUR program on the line, what would you have preferred YOUR administration and AD have done differently?

paid him to leave...agree to him to leave...

holgerson if he is unsuccessful next year will be fired, he has a ridiculous buyout.. we will pay it and leave ..
we wont go look for cause by looking at every corner to potential find something to misconstrue

You pay a coach to leave after two seasons, one of which a pandemic season....then who the hell wants to take that job?

Am I crazy or was the situation that unfolded at UC was extremely atypical for a lot of different factors? Covid and transfer portal to mention a couple.

No real handbook to navigate that.
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(Yesterday 11:13 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  
(Yesterday 10:31 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(Yesterday 08:57 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  But please tell me, Pesik....if it were YOUR university and YOUR program on the line, what would you have preferred YOUR administration and AD have done differently?

paid him to leave...agree to him to leave...

holgerson if he is unsuccessful next year will be fired, he has a ridiculous buyout.. we will pay it and leave ..
we wont go look for cause by looking at every corner to potential find something to misconstrue

You pay a coach to leave after two seasons, one of which a pandemic season....then who the hell wants to take that job?

Am I crazy or was the situation that unfolded at UC was extremely atypical for a lot of different factors? Covid and transfer portal to mention a couple.

No real handbook to navigate that.

its worse to have a reputation where you try to destroy someones character to get out of contracts...rothstein, norlander, parrish have all spoken about how this is a terrible look for UC, some noted that coaches have taken note

and houston is literally known for firing coaches on way too short windows ..we publicly say we will fire coaches in football for having 8-4 seasons, on their 3rd season.. as long as it is about performance coaching prospects dont care.. every coach thinks they are going to win, so that "wont really affect them"...after we fire a coach after 3 seasons, with a great record, we normally have the whose who of coaches interviewing
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(Yesterday 11:03 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(Yesterday 07:34 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  Pesik, just take your L and run away with your tail between your legs. Previously, you opined that UC was ruining Brannen's reputation. OK, I can see how it could possibly be perceived as a witch hunt - mind you he received a reprimand letter in November and allegedly continued to act like an insufferable ******* that didn't take into account his player's physical and emotional well being. Now you are just making things up. UC never reached out to Frank Martin during the season. It just didn't happen and i'm not going to back and listen to every podcast as rebuttal. Cunningham had basically zero leaks during the hiring process - we didn't know Miller was a serious candidate until 2 hours before he was hired! The more items come out from freedom of information requests, it becomes more clear that Cunningham did an exemplary job navigating an incredibly difficult and sensitive process and made the absolute right decision in the end to send Brannen packing.

Your agenda is clear as day as you continue to use the word "abuse" knowing how explosive that word is.

lmao what agenda... uc fans have the agenda, as to buy anything UC posts as facts

also cunnigham is the one who made it a difficult situation.... he could have fundraised for the buyout...he could have spoken with brannen at any point to prevent all of it going public, the athletic aritcle was leaked from within the UC program, the lawyer didnt go public till then... you cant credit someone for choosing the extremely difficult path by choice and then barely surviving

and you literally hated the miller option for days prior to the hire, and I was having talks with you before he was hired about how he is a decent hire for how bad the UC situation is.. and i thought of th options linked he was the best one

also what L.. the L of not buying what UC is selling, that we all saw coming?

I'll take the mea culpa on Miller. I didn't know enough about him and only looked at his team's kenpom results tbh. His tenure has certainly started better than Brannen's from a staff hiring (and rehiring perspective to bring back Rehfeldt).
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(Yesterday 11:19 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(Yesterday 11:13 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  
(Yesterday 10:31 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(Yesterday 08:57 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  But please tell me, Pesik....if it were YOUR university and YOUR program on the line, what would you have preferred YOUR administration and AD have done differently?

paid him to leave...agree to him to leave...

holgerson if he is unsuccessful next year will be fired, he has a ridiculous buyout.. we will pay it and leave ..
we wont go look for cause by looking at every corner to potential find something to misconstrue

You pay a coach to leave after two seasons, one of which a pandemic season....then who the hell wants to take that job?

Am I crazy or was the situation that unfolded at UC was extremely atypical for a lot of different factors? Covid and transfer portal to mention a couple.

No real handbook to navigate that.

its worse to have a reputation where you try to destroy someones character to get out of contracts...rothstein, norlander, parrish have all spoken about how this is a terrible look for UC, some noted that coaches have taken note

and houston is literally known for firing coaches on way too short windows ..we publicly say we will fire coaches in football for having 8-4 seasons, on their 3rd season.. as long as it is about performance coaching prospects dont care.. every coach thinks they are going to win, so that "wont really affect them"...after we fire a coach after 3 seasons, with a great record, we normally have the whose who of coaches interviewing

And yet, UC has largely been lauded as having made one of the best hires of this coaching cycle....
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(Yesterday 11:19 AM)pesik Wrote:  its worse to have a reputation where you try to destroy someones character to get out of contracts...rothstein, norlander, parrish have all spoken about how this is a terrible look for UC, some noted that coaches have taken note

and houston is literally known for firing coaches on way too short windows ..we publicly say we will fire coaches in football for having 8-4 seasons, on their 3rd season.. as long as it is about performance coaching prospects dont care.. every coach thinks they are going to win, so that "wont really affect them"...after we fire a coach after 3 seasons, with a great record, we normally have the whose who of coaches interviewing

Meh... we had plenty of good candidates in the mix for the opening. Plus, Rothstein seems to have an axe to grind ever since we didn't come to terms with Cronin on an extension. Rothstein has always been kind of a mouthpiece for Mick. By the time we need to make another big hire, the Brannen fiasco will be ancient history.
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(Yesterday 11:07 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  6 of the 8 posts on the last page are "hidden because Pesik is on your ignore list"

Things must be getting heated in here

Me too! What a coincidence!
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Things must be getting heated in here

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(Yesterday 11:19 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(Yesterday 11:13 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  
(Yesterday 10:31 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(Yesterday 08:57 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  But please tell me, Pesik....if it were YOUR university and YOUR program on the line, what would you have preferred YOUR administration and AD have done differently?

paid him to leave...agree to him to leave...

holgerson if he is unsuccessful next year will be fired, he has a ridiculous buyout.. we will pay it and leave ..
we wont go look for cause by looking at every corner to potential find something to misconstrue

You pay a coach to leave after two seasons, one of which a pandemic season....then who the hell wants to take that job?

Am I crazy or was the situation that unfolded at UC was extremely atypical for a lot of different factors? Covid and transfer portal to mention a couple.

No real handbook to navigate that.

its worse to have a reputation where you try to destroy someones character to get out of contracts...rothstein, norlander, parrish have all spoken about how this is a terrible look for UC, some noted that coaches have taken note

and houston is literally known for firing coaches on way too short windows ..we publicly say we will fire coaches in football for having 8-4 seasons, on their 3rd season.. as long as it is about performance coaching prospects dont care.. every coach thinks they are going to win, so that "wont really affect them"...after we fire a coach after 3 seasons, with a great record, we normally have the whose who of coaches interviewing

When half the roster opts for the transfer portal doesn't that call into question the coach's character?


And why do you keep trying to draw parallels? Basketball is not football. 2 seasons is not 3. And definitely not when 1 of those 2 was a Covid season.
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(Yesterday 12:41 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  When half the roster opts for the transfer portal doesn't that call into question the coach's character?


And why do you keep trying to draw parallels? Basketball is not football. 2 seasons is not 3. And definitely not when 1 of those 2 was a Covid season.

1/3 of all d1 basketball players are in the portal...uc isnt even top 20 in players who entered the portal, not even top in the conference... the portal alone does not bring into question his character.... also i have no issue with you firing him, talking how its done..

again everyone already thinks you are firing him for performance.. it is not viewed as "performance" vs "players best interest"....the national perspective outside of UC circles (including coaching circles), is "performance and using cause to get out of the contract" vs "performance and paying his buyout"
your premise assumes people believe this was done to the betterment of the athletes, when no one not tied to UC believes that
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(Yesterday 11:07 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  6 of the 8 posts on the last page are "hidden because Pesik is on your ignore list"

Things must be getting heated in here

You ignore people? Seems kind of weak.
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